FIFA 10 360/PS3 Demo Feedback + Videos

I've been playing the demo now for a while, full manual on professional (not good enough for WC yet). On full manual is is certainly better than Fifa09, there is more flow to the play. However, and I will struggle to articulate this, I just don't find it fun. I genuinely can't put my finger on why this is, it could be the general feel of the players, it could be the pace, it could be the atmosphere or it could be something totally different.

It is a good game, there is absolutely no doubt about that and I totally understand why many people love it. For me, it just doesn't resonate with what I want out of a game. I'm still going to keep trying the demo to see if something clicks. I'm more disappointed with myself for not liking it more, rather than the game letting me down. Very odd.
 
SJP76 said:
I've never seen this mentioned anywhere before but Wembley is wrong. The roof goes all the way around. In the demo (and in 09) there are gaps in the roof at the goal ends.

Not that I give a fuck because does it affect the gameplay? No, it doesn't. It's just something I noticed and I'm hoping fucks some of your minds up as I know how some of you get about this type of stuff.

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LemonJelly said:
I've been playing the demo now for a while, full manual on professional (not good enough for WC yet). On full manual is is certainly better than Fifa09, there is more flow to the play. However, and I will struggle to articulate this, I just don't find it fun. I genuinely can't put my finger on why this is, it could be the general feel of the players, it could be the pace, it could be the atmosphere or it could be something totally different.

It is a good game, there is absolutely no doubt about that and I totally understand why many people love it. For me, it just doesn't resonate with what I want out of a game. I'm still going to keep trying the demo to see if something clicks. I'm more disappointed with myself for not liking it more, rather than the game letting me down. Very odd.
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LemonJelly said:
I've been playing the demo now for a while, full manual on professional (not good enough for WC yet). On full manual is is certainly better than Fifa09, there is more flow to the play. However, and I will struggle to articulate this, I just don't find it fun. I genuinely can't put my finger on why this is, it could be the general feel of the players, it could be the pace, it could be the atmosphere or it could be something totally different.

It is a good game, there is absolutely no doubt about that and I totally understand why many people love it. For me, it just doesn't resonate with what I want out of a game. I'm still going to keep trying the demo to see if something clicks. I'm more disappointed with myself for not liking it more, rather than the game letting me down. Very odd.
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To be honest this are my feelings now pretty much aswell. Right down to being disappointed at myself for not liking it more. I will buy the full game, if only for the pleasure of playing against anything but the AI, but I also don't think the full game will have fixed all, if any, of the things that bother me.
 
As much fun as i'm having with the demo, if EA don't sort the keepers out it could ruin the game. Seriously. Chipped shots on every 1v1 by the CPU is not on. Neither is the goalie stood still while the ball flies through the air slowly. I can understand a top corner blast from 30yards, but the floaters that are going in from 40+ yards are just out of the question.
 
gameklip said:
As much fun as i'm having with the demo, if EA don't sort the keepers out it could ruin the game. Seriously. Chipped shots on every 1v1 by the CPU is not on. Neither is the goalie stood still while the ball flies through the air slowly. I can understand a top corner blast from 30yards, but the floaters that are going in from 40+ yards are just out of the question.
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No need to worry IMO, theres no way they are going to release it with them like this.

they have not spent a year improving the game to release a version with dodge keepers. They may still have little bugs and glitches here and there, but i'm not worried about the keepers getting sorted.
 
I thought that the keepers were definately going to be fixed?

Didn't they say that chipping the keepers in the EA offices was seen as a cheat because they hadn't been sorted out yet?

So that should be fixed in the final game right?
 
BobbyBox said:
I thought that the keepers were definately going to be fixed?
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The guy who played the three-builds-advanced version of the game reckons they've been fixed and that is what I've been told from the horse's mouth. It's only one problem - but it could have an effect on other problems, such as long range goals. That much we won't know until next month though unfortunately.
 
I do wonder if keepers will ever be sorted out properly im starting to beleive so many variables that they cant program them properly.

As year after year its same old talk about the keepers and how poor they are.
 
Bingham67 said:
I do wonder if keepers will ever be sorted out properly im starting to beleive so many variables that they cant program them properly.

As year after year its same old talk about the keepers and how poor they are.
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I agree to a certain extent, but PES5 keepers were fairly realistic. They wouldn't be able to react instantly (so they would be beaten for pace), they couldn't be moving one way then take a big dive the other way, they would go the wrong way sometimes from close-range shots, make some good saves, stand still if the ball was well out of their reach and make some mistakes every so often.
There were problems with them such as them only diving with both hands, being invincible on crosses and getting rounded too easily, but i'd take them over any keepers in a football game since then...
 
drekkard said:
^ Agreed! Now we all forget the fustration of playing against Inter in PES 5 and Adriano scoring every (literally every) shot in a range of 30 yards.

To Chris: thank you very much for your efforts. It's great to comment things using common sense and respect and having someone who is able to translate our worries to EA adds value to this board. Besides, it shows EA has done a great move by strengthening the relationships between the developers and the audience.

As games evolve, expectations evolve. Games are a BIG piece of software and the difficulties of some of the things they create are astonishing (the maths and concepts involved are intelligible only to geniuses).
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So what's the feeling for those who have played the 'other' demo? Assuming both are in comparatively similar build states, which full game is enticing you more? I'm asking here rather than there because I feel we were all drawn here by having similar mindsets. I certainly see a lot of negativity in the impressions thread, chiefly around itbeing a game based on football rather than a game of football.

I had some games on Medium setting last night, puely by accident. I didn't notice much of a speed difference tbh, but the players felt more responsive!? Does anyone else seem to play more controlled and fluid football on medium?
 
The things i see wrong in the Fifa demo seem like it would be achievable to fix for release. The things i see wrong in PES i feel they will fix in 3 years time.
 
Scored today my favorite header so far and it was a corner.It was an an aerial "race" between Yaya Toure and Mandanda to reach the ball and Toure was the first.The feeling was very good and it looked really realistic
 
PES10 is a joke, there's little or no individuality (same as FIFA now), the responsiveness is worse than FIFA and there's no way 360 degree dribbling is in as you can run in a perfect line up the touchline, the fully automated everything means passes go to the wrong player way too often and countless other things which make the game very dated and unrealistic... it's like going back in time playing it.

I'm going to avoid posting in the "other" thread, as a lot of the people in it are blinded fanboys - it doesn't matter what you say, PES is their game and if you have a bad word to say about it (even if true), then you will just get flamed for not seeing the reasons why it's a true simulation and a "footballer's game of choice"...

I really don't see what people can see in PES now, I keep trying the demo in the hope i'll begin to like it, but I just find myself disliking it more and more...
 
romagnoli said:
So what's the feeling for those who have played the 'other' demo? Assuming both are in comparatively similar build states, which full game is enticing you more? I'm asking here rather than there because I feel we were all drawn here by having similar mindsets. I certainly see a lot of negativity in the impressions thread, chiefly around itbeing a game based on football rather than a game of football.

I had some games on Medium setting last night, puely by accident. I didn't notice much of a speed difference tbh, but the players felt more responsive!? Does anyone else seem to play more controlled and fluid football on medium?
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Pro difficulty is considerably better I find in terms of showing off the game. The tendency on FIFA over the years is that Pro is the level where the game isn't cheating at all, or at least, that's how it used to be done.

On Pro Evo? I don't think it's there. I played one game on regular, then two on top man, and I won all three. I haven't played PES properly since PES6, and I can already do that? Hmm.

The game feels slow to respond at all the wrong times, when it makes no sense. The ball does some really weird things. I ran into the area with a player, and scored, when watching the replay, as I pressed the shoot button the ball literally stopped in midair so that the animation could reach.

The animations don't seem to tie to the physics whatsoever. Just saw Messi stub the ball into a massive upfield hit. Absolutely mad looking. I don't know which build this is - but whichever it is, it is so far behind technically. It plays a moderate game of football, but I think FIFA 10 (barring the bugs) plays a much, much better game of football.

As I said in the Pro Evo thread a week or two ago, I can't see the 360. From playing it, I can - but it's not there in its totality. There is some massive caveat to it. When I turn, I always turn to one of the 8 directions. I can run in a straight line whenever I want. It's nothing like the way FIFA has done it and it's nothing like what it should be. The AI uses it on rare occasions, usually deciding to stick to the 8 directions of previous PESs.

It's not TERRIBLE like PES 2008, but it's not good either.
 
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romagnoli said:
So what's the feeling for those who have played the 'other' demo?
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Played 3 matches now

Pros: Some of the lighting/graphics are very nice, pitch texture is good, stadium looks good, more populated than Fifa.
Cons: Animations are stiff, some of the transitions very bad, ball physics are iffy, especially when dribbling, ball moves strangely along the ground, ball moves without the foot actually touching it.
 
Played the other demo, a few matches against my cousin. He's been a PES player for ages, still plays it on PS2.

Overall, we were both disappointed. After a few matches we switched to the FIFA demo. MUCH better.
 
Rob92 said:
I'm going to avoid posting in the "other" thread, as a lot of the people in it are blinded fanboys
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Try posting your opinions in there and see how you go from "respected sensible thoughtful poster" to "blind shit-stirring propoganda poster" like I did a few weeks ago, in the space of one post. Never mind eh, one less thread to post in.

I think EA can learn from the speed of it, the OOMPH in the shots and the tactical side of it (which I have to say is the number one thing FIFA needs to look at right now IMO, the depth of tactics is fantastic). But everything else - on the pitch and on the ball - seems rotten to me, completely rotten. But I suppose I'm just a fanboy...
 
I have been playing the Fifa 10 demo for a while thinking that it was an improvement and still in the hope that the other game will get back to its glorious day. But after playing the other demo, Fifa 10 demo finally clik. It is such a realistic and organic football game. Everything is so smooth, the animations flow into one another, the ball physic is just spot on. If they can get the goalkeepers fixed and slow the game. it will be awesome.
 
The goalkeepers will be fixed, I think Chris has said this a few times and has actually been told this, too. So that's great news.

As for slowing the game down, I honestly don't think they'll do that for the final release. I've been playing on Slow and it seems fine to me. Again, different folk, different needs.
 
Scutch said:
The goalkeepers will be fixed, I think Chris has said this a few times and has actually been told this, too. So that's great news.

As for slowing the game down, I honestly don't think they'll do that for the final release. I've been playing on Slow and it seems fine to me. Again, different folk, different needs.
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i will be happy if they just fixed the keeper. i can deal with the game on slow.
 
As has been said before, An EA rep made a poll on gamespeed based on the demo. 63% said it was too fast. The consensus was that the pressuring by the AI was too relentless, with them refusing to let you at least play it around at the back. Hopefully that will be addressed in time for release day.

I wish EA had put out a 5 minute half demo so we could give them feedback on how the game will actually play, rather than being left wondering what difference longer halves will make to game speed.

For me the keepers and the refusals to head the ball are the two biggest issues. I'm half expecting one of these to remain until the first patch comes out. Online will have to be completely lag free as well - I want the only differnce between on and offline multiplayer to be the number of people in the room...
 
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romagnoli said:
As has been said before, An EA rep made a poll on gamespeed based on the demo. 63% said it was too fast. The consensus was that the pressuring by the AI was too relentless, with them refusing to let you at least play it around at the back. Hopefully that will be addressed in time for release day.

I wish EA had put out a 5 minute half demo so we could give them feedback on how the game will actually play, rather than being left wondering what difference longer halves will make to game speed.
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Indeed,longer halves would have only been beneficial.I don't really understand why they do these 3 min halves, useless and it forces you to rush your football.You can't enjoy the aspect of building your actions up
 
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