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Gunners` said:
guys shooting in this game is unbelievable !! if in 1-vs-1 with the keeper my player shoot the ball out every time or the keeper will get it !! also every time i have the best position of shooting the ball goes up the bar !! thats ridiculous and you know what my friend scored 3 goals on me by shooting from the middle of the pitch by holding R2 and just shooting in it will lob the keeper that makes me hate the game !! PLZ EA !! PLZ EA PLZ EA DO someting :/
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I play on manual and I can now finish almost all my one on one's
 
kevano22 said:
I have tried using the man marking system to try and close the gaps between defenders and attackers and it does seem to have more of an effect. They definately get closer to the attackers.
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I tried it also but it's very iffy. It works in some occasions, but It doesn't solve my main concern that is preventing cheesy counters and marking from distance in the danger zones. Besides, it's absurd having to man mark all the players to achieve what should be by default.

Yesterday I rounded the keeper in a very flashy way, using the fake shot. The trick to me seems to be to first of all face a little one side and fake the shot to that side just to the go the other way. It works now and then, so it's great it doesn't always work!

I'm still in love with the many many brilliant things that the game has even though I sound like a tactical bitch most of the time!
 
Yep I agree with everything you've posted Drekkard. And I agree with you Kouroux, it would make the game super! Let's hope it will be addressed either with a patch or some other miracle as I REALLY want to play manager mode this year.
 
It's still a great game but I've got a list of 10 problems raised here and on FSB that are ... not "ruining" the game for me, but giving enough of a reason to say that the game isn't right tactically. It's one of those things that puts a bit of a lump in your throat and you think "if PES does that better then there's reason for buying both" (I'm a football gamer first and foremost), and with the gameplay engine being so much better overall in FIFA I just hope to God they take the list I've sent seriously.

It's gone straight to the top but I get the feeling it'll all be something they look at for FIFA 11 (I don't think they're simple tweaks, they're tweaks I would have expected to be done within the last 12 months), in which case I'm going to be gutted. Still a great game, but with enough problems to make you think after each game "that was a bit stupid when X happened", and that's what ended up ruining 09 for me.
 
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Hmm, looks like the initial euphoria has died down and the niggles are appearing for everyone :(

Let's see how we feel about the PES demo this time next week.

Two quality football games would be superb :)
 
DagsJT said:
Hmm, looks like the initial euphoria has died down and the niggles are appearing for everyone :(
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I wouldn't say that because I still think it's the best football game I've ever played. To my mind it would be utter perfection if they fixed the AI and the tactical issues, and the player switching stuff. I wouldn't have any other fault with it that put me off the game, ever. So perhaps I'm expecting too much, I don't know.

It's just so frustrating, it's like being given a Ferrari with a dent in it.
 
DagsJT said:
Hmm, looks like the initial euphoria has died down and the niggles are appearing for everyone :(
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That's because everyone is hammering the AI on a 6 minute game

If all the games played on here were against friends people would realise how good the game really is
 
These days, shouldn't it be possible for EA to release an online demo, and when the game is released update the demo to block it (so that people will buy the full game..)?
 
Chris Davies said:
I wouldn't say that because I still think it's the best football game I've ever played. To my mind it would be utter perfection if they fixed the AI and the tactical issues, and the player switching stuff. I wouldn't have any other fault with it that put me off the game, ever. So perhaps I'm expecting too much, I don't know.

It's just so frustrating, it's like being given a Ferrari with a dent in it.
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If the keepers are the same in the final build it'll be more like a Ferrari with no engine... But i think that it will be fine...

The final game will be amazing, i've played enough demo's to know that the sports ones can really differ form the final product.. This PES one tomorrow will no doubt be riddled with bugs too...

Playing the demo has given me more faith they'll get it spot on for the full game because they have got so much right.
 
The 09 demo was quite a bit different from the final game as was the Euro one if i remember correctly
 
Chris Davies said:
I wouldn't say that because I still think it's the best football game I've ever played. To my mind it would be utter perfection if they fixed the AI and the tactical issues, and the player switching stuff. I wouldn't have any other fault with it that put me off the game, ever. So perhaps I'm expecting too much, I don't know.

It's just so frustrating, it's like being given a Ferrari with a dent in it.
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Fuck a ferrari with a dent is like a Hayden without a hole..it just would not be right.

BTW, I don't do online gaming, mostly offline 1 player. Would these AI issues ruin it for me. I am a formation junky, I will tweak PES till I'm blue in the face to make the teams and players react as I think they would in real life before I even start a game mode.

Also Chris I reckon they could fix these problems before the WC edition is released.
 
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Chris Davies said:
I wouldn't say that because I still think it's the best football game I've ever played. To my mind it would be utter perfection if they fixed the AI and the tactical issues, and the player switching stuff. I wouldn't have any other fault with it that put me off the game, ever. So perhaps I'm expecting too much, I don't know.

It's just so frustrating, it's like being given a Ferrari with a dent in it.
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I'm sorry CD, but I have to disagree, and say that it is not the best football game I've ever played. Beyond the animations/graphics/game modes and looking purely at gameplay; in my eyes, AI/tactical issues and core gameplay mechanics such as player switching are MAJOR aspects of any football game and this is really ruining my enjoyment and overall ability to control the game. Player switching hasn't been improved since FIFA 08 and I can't see it being a quick fix without them re-writing that aspect of the engine. Therefore, I get the impression that the earliest this will be fixed will be in FIFA 11. Don't get me wrong, there have been some great strides; the ball physics are really nice, the reaction times are a lot better and the ability to beat a man has opened up the play in FIFA. However, these tweaks have also opened up a whole host of other issues. Shooting long range goals has become quite a scripted affair (I've found positions already when I can score at will), freekicks are far too easy, and they seem to have a homing missile effect of finding the right spot), chipping the newly aggressive keepers has become very easy, as has rounding the keepers and the AI pressing has also led me to feel I am constantly forced to counter-attack/speed up my play to have any chance of getting anything out of the game. I can see there is player individuality with some players, such as Messi Ibra, Del Piero, Puyol to name but a few, but I never really feel I can engage with that character and use his abilities due to the AI pressing. It is definitely the best FIFA game of the series and may even be heralded as the best football game this year, but there's still a long way to go and it does not feel like the best footballing title of all time when overshadowed by these issues.

For me nothing has matched the balance of PES5 in terms of gameplay. I'm sorry, but I am playing the PES5 card here. The speed of play was spot on, the ball physics were superb, reaction times were fantastic, supercancel was really effective, the AI had a nice balance (higher rated teams were really tough to break down with lower rated teams and vice versa) and player individuality really had a bearing on your ability to dictate play and use each individual player to execute moves and get the most out of your formation. However, it was the buzz when playing the game that remains. I can honestly say when I first bought the game on October 2005 to when I first picked up PES6 the following October, I felt it was a great game. Every game was unpredictable and scoring really felt like you'd achieved something. I still go back to it now. I may be living in the past, but it's worrying to see that for all the improvements in the modern games, they are still plagued by gameplay issues that games nearly four years old managed to iron out.
 
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I have a slight concern regarding headers, in terms of height and power I'm starting to master them but what is my concern now is the direction specially when the player is close to the goal.He never really directs the header when I wants him to whereas he's gloriously positioned to make an easy header.
I mean the height is good but it more than often goes just wide of the post with telling the player to do head it straight.Anyone else has noticed that ?
 
MJSMITH2K: The issues that you mention... At least one of them I know for a fact (well this is from the horse's mouth, I haven't played the final game) will be fixed. Some will be looked at in a patch. Player switching may or may not be one of them but it's weird, I don't have that much of a problem with it (even though I do see it occasionally and I have reported it to EA).

From what you're saying, the major faults are:

Player switching
Long range goals
Free kicks too easy
Easily chipped goalies
Constantly forced to counter

So first off, long range goals and free kicks being too easy. Would you put this down to the goalkeeping weirdness? If you do (and I'm not saying you do), if you read the article by the guy who's played the three-builds-ahead version of the game - which wasn't even the final version - goalkeeping weirdness is supposed to be fixed, including easily chipped goalies. This has been echoed by the horse's mouth I speak of, and this may solve three issues in one.

(If it doesn't, there have been enough complaints on the EA forum about easy goals / easy free-kicks for them to patch it, and if it doesn't get patched immediately it will get patched if people find you can score from a certain place all the time like you say you can online, because EA have said repeatedly now that they are 100% dedicated to removing exploits this year as that's what pissed people off with FIFA 09.)

So that leaves just two things - player switching, and constant counter-attacking. Constant counter-attacking is actually, to be fair here, something that EA said was fixed from 09 and judging from this demo I don't think that's true. There are a lot of complaints about constant pressure and counter-attacking on the EA forums - someone from the gameplay team even created a thread about it (originally it was about the game speed but then he himself commented that it's the constant pressure that seems to be making it play so fast).

So if that's not worked on I would be very, very surprised, after they've publicly acknowledged it's a fault (and 63% of the people asked in the thread's poll agreed it makes the game too fast, you can't ignore that).

That just leaves player switching. Which is going to drive you into an early grave I think. :D I'm not saying it's not an issue; it is.

That's been reported, along with the attacking AI etc. (which is what really annoys me, and what I can see spoiling the game in the long run). So hopefully that will be looked at, but with the AI I get the feeling it's not just a simple fix, and it'll be another year before I'm completely satisfied by it. Which is heartbreaking. But we will see what happens, I will not stop bombarding them until I'm happy that they understand.

Incidentally, I still have PES 5 installed on my PC from many moons ago. Every time someone mentions it I'll go and play it, and I'm left with the same feeling I get from SWOS. "This was a great game years ago but now I find it way too restrictive, robotic, and how anyone can prefer this to next-gen football games is beyond me." I think it has a lot of great touches but it doesn't stand up as a game I can enjoy today, after experiencing the best bits of the current next-gen football games. Just my opinion.
 
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Technically Chris mjsmith2k cannot disagree with you when you say "this is the best game I've ever played".After all you're talking about your own experience and own view of both games
 
kouroux said:
Technically Chris mjsmith2k cannot disagree with you when you say "this is the best game I've ever played".After all you're talking about your own experience and own view of both games
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I'm not disagreeing about that - in-fact I'm not disagreeing with him at all! He's got the intelligence to see what's wrong with the game and discuss it without resorting to insults, getting on the defensive, or threatening to play PES just to spite everyone.

All the points he's made are valid, every single one. I was just trying to put his mind at rest by saying what I've been told (and what's seemingly been confirmed by the guy who's played the three-builds-after-demo version). And also giving my opinion - but that's all it is - on PES 5.

That may be good enough for him, with all the things he likes about the game, to enjoy it come the final release. Personally the AI stuff is really worrying me but I'm sure EA will release a patch, although I have no idea what they'll be patching, so... Fingers crossed...
 
No kouroux, what I said was "I disagree", saying I disagree with his opinion that "this is the best game I've ever played" and then gave my opinion that this "is not the best football game I've ever played".

...Since we're being technical ;).
 
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ajaxforever said:
And that makes you the Queen of Fanboyland?
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No, it just means you're posting in the wrong thread. I'd stick to the PES thread and stop trolling. :)

Kouroux, I forgot to say:

I mean the height is good but [the headers] more often [than not] go just wide of the post [when] telling the player to head it straight. Anyone else noticed that?
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I have noticed that as well, but I like that to be honest with you. Every header that makes contact with the ball in FIFA 09 seems to be too accurate. When I try heading the ball from a cross in real life, more often than not, that's what happens - the ball skims off my head and goes wide.

Yes I'm not a pro, but it happens to pros as well. Sometimes they'll NAIL the header - which you can do in the demo - other times it will skim off your head, which it does in the demo. I love that, otherwise every header would be perfect and there'd be no margin of error bar you pressing the wrong direction.
 
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