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YoungGun_UK said:
Manual passing is EXTREMELY hard from when i've tried it, pass's going behind players etc or to powerfull etc, i find Semi fine for me.
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I normally play on semi-assisted for passing, purely because the response times in FIFA 08 make manual passing a bit too frustrating for my liking. Hopefully with better response times in FIFA 09 manual control will be a better proposition.
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
Manual passing is EXTREMELY hard from when i've tried it, pass's going behind players etc or to powerfull etc, i find Semi fine for me.
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Well, after a while it's easy. You just need to play alot with it.

In the beginning, best thing is to pick a crap opponent, play on the easiest level, and just pass around creating chances for several games. After I got used to it myself I couldn't really be without it, since I always found myself in situations where I needed to be very precise, for example when laying up for a longshot, the pass neds to be the perfect strenght and the perfect aim for my teammate to be able to runup and just smack in with perfect angle from ball to goal etc.
 
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jeblo05 said:
we’ve addressed the need for Manual v Semi or Full assisted in online play

-> could be a major step in online gaming

Only people willing "to play football" are using manual. Kids with the intention to be the best on a COMPUTER GAME are using assisted (while controlling Barca, Inter, Chelsea FC, etc...)
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Well I use Semi for pretty much everything and Assisted passing. For some reason people think that if you don't use manual your terrible. I don't consider myself a top player but I don't like being considered a scrub cause I don't go full manual. Also I just quit games where if I pick a league 2 team and someone else picks Man U or other massive teams. You can tell they just want to better the rank.
 
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the best players don't use all manual by that I mean highest ranked

manual is not true manual as I have played on it quite a bit when u aim at the goal with an open net in ur face ur player blasts it wide... its only useful for scoring long range pile drivers! you do learn how to aim better but its still not over 60% accurate!

I use Semi for everything excpet through ball and lofted through ball which I have on Assisted
 
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If the player come totally wrong to the ball then sure it can go wide. It's realistic. Otherwise it goes were you aim +/- some value because of how good the player is at the skills required.

It's ok that you play semi, you don't have to try to claim the manual controls are broken. They work great.
 
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I play all Manual except passing at semi, and I must say I find it the best configuration to realistically emulate football, by far. Manual passing can sometimes be good and sometimes extremely fustrating.

The big difference to me is that I would never play someone with Auto Shooting or Auto Passing or Auto Crossing, I always find they play the game in a very mechanical way because they don't need much effort to score. Crossing with auto is a joke, as well as shooting.

I just love how Manual and even Semi configuration introduce the ERROR factor into the game. You can easily fail at crossing, passing or shooting. That's a good thing to me because the reverse of the coin is the extreme satisfaction you get when you achieve to chain good moves. That is the best reward I take from the game, not the results.

I can understand people who love football but find controls very hard to play on semi, but I can't understand how someone over 18 would "love" football and play Auto, or use exploits. This people doesn't like "to play football", they want to "win in a football game" and to me these are extremely different things.

The result, I end up playing only with friends or people I know and rely on, because it bores me to death to play the usual online gamer.
 
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I've used to play semi on all. But now I've forced myself to play manual (except trough ball) It' really hard, but after some matches I really got used to it. Shooting is far more realistic on manual, btw !

A perfect implementation for me would be:
- a player with low stats is difficult to control (-> better timing, control required)
- a player with high stats is easy ("more assisted") to control
 
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The way I play is like real football. Sometimes you get people who just run at you with Ronaldo or Dino or some other great player. I like to pass it around a bit. Get some good passing lanes open then I may attack. Also I do play manual on through balls and lobs. Also if I play against someone who tries to score from the kick off I just leave. My ingame name is ShadyTrizzle on Xbox live. If anyone wants to get a game with me please don't hesitate to hit me up.

I came over from Pro Evo cause of oblivious reasons and I'm looking forward to what Fifa comes out with.
 
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evacuate said:
If the player come totally wrong to the ball then sure it can go wide. It's realistic. Otherwise it goes were you aim +/- some value because of how good the player is at the skills required.

It's ok that you play semi, you don't have to try to claim the manual controls are broken. They work great.
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sure I am running just left of the goal open net I aim diagonal right to slot it into the goal that is not realistic in real life u tap a shot in it hits the target everytime! realism is not manual controls and its not 100% accurate the whole point of manual is so it goes where I aim... which it does not!!
 
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if the ball is very close to your body your player might hit it more left of the target (if your shooting with right foot). This is because he hits it more with the back of the foot (inside heel).

The purpose of manual aim is not to go exactly were you aim. Were you aim is the starting point of where it will go. Then the game adds and subtracts values depending on a bunch of different things like: How is the player positioned to the ball, what's the success rate of the action considering the players attributes and so on. If the player have low shooting attributes there are room for errors in direction and power even if you are positioned well to the ball.

It sounds like you don't understand that the attributes still play a big role in manual controls. If not every player would have the same skills in shooting, passing, crossing.

Maybe someone with a better knowledge of the English language could explain this better.


Edit: Oh for fuck sake EA, I just read the recent interview with David Rutter and he says saving replays locally is NOT in. You have to upload a video to eashitworld.com and I guess you need a gold Live account to do this? CUNTS! That Spanish preview made me think this was finally in... Like I've said before, they always have to do something to piss you off don't they.

Source: http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=608
 
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I know that all the attributes have an effect but when I am C.Ronaldo a world beater I expect to score an open goal!

and the fact it happens so often in manual has convinved me Semi is the perfect control setup!
 
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The problem with getting to grips with Manual passing is, who to play? I could simply play the AI at amateur level and give that a go but to be fair i would get bored to quickly and theres no way if your trying to learn something to try it online as its just exploit world. I think a simple training mode would help this and let people get to grips with things.
 
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That reminds me, I hate how when it's an open goal instead of a dainty tap in it's always a volley or a rifle into the top corner.
 
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Fifa should do what Pro Evo does in terms of having a tutorial and training mode. I mean that would benefit everyone. It would teach you how to pass, cross, lob, chip, shoot, etc. Why they don't have it is beyond me.
 
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Yeah always loved the challenge training. First couple of weeks of pes I wouldnt even be playing matches, just editing the crap and doing the training to get into the new controls. Ridiculous, but the training was always good. They should add that. And add some old skoll challenges, the new ones are too long imo with whole matches having to be played. The old iss challenges were great fun, 15min to go and one down with a corner. Challenge, win match.
 
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hauler said:
Fifa should do what Pro Evo does in terms of having a tutorial and training mode. I mean that would benefit everyone. It would teach you how to pass, cross, lob, chip, shoot, etc. Why they don't have it is beyond me.
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110% agree with that and apparently they will they said there will be a tutorial mode within the Arena.. so we will have to see
 
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You know something that's pretty annoying in 08 and Euro is that after a corner when the defender heads the ball away, they always head it just outside the penalty area. Almost all the time in the middle but sometimes a little to the side. I haven't checked any statistics on this but it doesn't feel realistic at all when you can walk up to a spot and know that is the place the ball will end up if a defender heads the ball.

Every corner in 08 and Euro feels the same to me. I think some of this will be changed because of the keepers now will be more active in getting out punching and grabbing the ball. But hopefully we will even see defenders head the ball in different directions. Often in real life you see defenders head the ball down the sideline to avoid giving the opposition a good shooting opportunity.

I wonder if they have worked on this at all.

Edit: Also a big part of why they feel unrealistic is that only one player from each team can try to head the ball. This to me is a major issue they need to work out. Everyone that plays BAP and CYC knows how annoying it is to stand an inch away from the ball and press shoot and the only thing that happens is your player screaming "shoot" to his teammates.
 
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TBH from what I've read so far I'm not seeing anything like the advances from Fifa08-Fifa09 as we saw from Fifa07-Fifa08* and I'm disappointed about that.

*Obviously I'm talking about on 360 as that's the only version of Fifa that exists for me.
 
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Placebo said:
TBH from what I've read so far I'm not seeing anything like the advances from Fifa08-Fifa09 as we saw from Fifa07-Fifa08* and I'm disappointed about that.

*Obviously I'm talking about on 360 as that's the only version of Fifa that exists for me.
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Welcome back to the world of tweaks for another £40.

Once they got a half decent engine, its always going to be a carrot on a stick from here on in.

Its a shame that the wheels of business flatten potential.
 
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Placebo said:
TBH from what I've read so far I'm not seeing anything like the advances from Fifa08-Fifa09 as we saw from Fifa07-Fifa08* and I'm disappointed about that.

*Obviously I'm talking about on 360 as that's the only version of Fifa that exists for me.
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you are so wrong if what I heard today is true!

http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox360/spor...=topslot;link;5&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot

apparently that is going to be in FIFA...


and I am sorry for those who love manager mode but Online is where we are heading! and thats what they are pushing

its either this or online manager mode!
 
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evacuate said:
if the ball is very close to your body your player might hit it more left of the target (if your shooting with right foot). This is because he hits it more with the back of the foot (inside heel).

The purpose of manual aim is not to go exactly were you aim. Were you aim is the starting point of where it will go. Then the game adds and subtracts values depending on a bunch of different things like: How is the player positioned to the ball, what's the success rate of the action considering the players attributes and so on. If the player have low shooting attributes there are room for errors in direction and power even if you are positioned well to the ball.

It sounds like you don't understand that the attributes still play a big role in manual controls. If not every player would have the same skills in shooting, passing, crossing.

Maybe someone with a better knowledge of the English language could explain this better.


Edit: Oh for fuck sake EA, I just read the recent interview with David Rutter and he says saving replays locally is NOT in. You have to upload a video to eashitworld.com and I guess you need a gold Live account to do this? CUNTS! That Spanish preview made me think this was finally in... Like I've said before, they always have to do something to piss you off don't they.

Source: http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=608
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blame microsoft not EA for needing a gold live account

but still them lazy cunts over at EA canada just cant included a simple save feature, bloody twats
 
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Nick Cave said:
:(( I hope not...
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I honestly can't see them changing much, they have had the opportunity to do so for fifa 07 and 08 and didn't and people seem to be far more online orientated with fifa and I honestly believe some key game mode's will go online eventually

Manager Mode
Be A Pro Mode
Normal Ranked Games

but I think they will all be implemented well (manager mode so you can still play offline but also implement it for online play or so I hope so, as its actually a reason for me to play it as I hate playing the A.I
 
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sweetkilla said:
I honestly can't see them changing much, they have had the opportunity to do so for fifa 07 and 08 and didn't and people seem to be far more online orientated with fifa and I honestly believe some key game mode's will go online eventually

Manager Mode
Be A Pro Mode
Normal Ranked Games

but I think they will all be implemented well (manager mode so you can still play offline but also implement it for online play or so I hope so, as its actually a reason for me to play it as I hate playing the A.I
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I'm the other way I hate playing idiots online... I'm hoping if thats the case they split it and make two games or do as I suggested and make the Manager game so you can play your matches with FIFA 10 or whatever...
 
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Trance_Allstar said:
The way I see this working would be that better players have higher curl stats, and thus can get more curl on the ball (when talking about the maximum amount of curl possible).

This system coupled with analog stick tilt control for height of longballs gives many possiblities. You could lean the stick 50% in the direction of a teammate that is very far away from you, and strike a low-ish hard longpass (PES2008 longpass if you will... :)). But at the same time, as soon as the ball leaves your boot, you pull the stick from pointing 50% in the direction of the teammate to pointing full away from him, and holf LT. This puts backspin on the ball, so that it gets a long majestic soaring trajectory.

Also this would be applicable to longshots, so it would be possible, not having to rely on the shooting dynamics being programmed just right, to pull off a low longshot (tilting 50-60% forward on the stick and giving lots of power) that also has lots of backspin and stays up longer.

Perfect example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5fP2z7lZcw

1:08 in, Chevanton. In FIFA08, that shot would have put the ball several meters above the bar in a much higher arch. Notice on the reverse angle that the ball has a backspin that you would be able to induce yourself, just like in reallife by how you strike the ball.


And I dream of the day this would be possible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTdO4CdSors&feature=related
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Yes on second thought I have to agree with you. I remember some WE version whereas every player had its own freekick manual. For some you needed to hold the shoot button down long, for other really short - it was bloody confusing. Especially if you switch teams as much as I do. So yeah, give all players the same controls but tweak their stats to different maximums(under pressure). I would love to see the chance for a critical strike(or momentum) that gives a player a higher maximum a la Word of Warcraft. The better a player is doing, the higher his chance for momentum.

I think the reason why curling has not been implanted properly is obviously due to the lack of 360 movement. If the ball is not completely loose, curling is hardly of any use. Because when you curl it, most of the time you are going to be wanting to aim just slightly next to your target..and/or you want to place the ball just in front of a player. Both cases are in between the invisible rails, and thus - impossible. Curling is all about control and subtleness, you do not want any clunky railway system fucking about with your plans making it just go from on rail to another hidden behind some fancy looking curl effect.

That makes me think of WE. It has a subtle curl. Subtle as; you barely notice it. You cant exactly play around somebody, let alone have control over the amounts. When used on a trough ball it confuses the receiving player and he starts to make jerky little adjustments that slows him down while the defender can catch up. So that is far from ideal. Again, you end up compromising between what you really want, and what is possible to do.

Curl on crosses is more effective I shall admit. It takes just a bit of timing. But I always find it hard to exactly predict where the ball will end up. Again, you can not decide the exact amount of curl. Occasionally it feels spot on, but thats pure coincidence.
The strange thing is that somehow a double circle cross with a curl makes defenders loose all of their heading ability while attackers miraculously pull out volleys and power headers.

With all of this you have to take in account that I have not mastered FIFA nor WE on manual. And also that I played neither games for half a year :) So all of this is a bit memory-driven.

That Riquelme goal is amazing.
 
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StayingPower said:
That reminds me, I hate how when it's an open goal instead of a dainty tap in it's always a volley or a rifle into the top corner.
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do you play with semi assisted shooting ?
I did and had the same "problem" ... it was annoying
Now I'm playing manual and shooting feels more realistic. You need a bit of practice, though
 
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WEtongelre said:
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x5ge2f/video/x5gebi_cska-amkar-penalty_sport

Oh my God! This is the net where I'm talking about ... Come on EA! I hope it will be possible (Oke, I'm dreaming) :(

P.S: Look to the last penalty and the physics of the net!

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/CSKA/video/x3covl_cska-spartak-n-11_sport

Exactly the same nets as in Football Kingdom!

(Oke, I'm freaking out, sorry guys ;))
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yeah come on EA sort out the onion bag.
 
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