FC Barcelona Thread

I wished, I could comment on the match ,but once you see the results n highlights it just takes the surprise away. I can really understand aitken views.

Well, Barca is like Mayweather and sometimes you can look at it from a judge mental view and see the negatives of the match. Diving, fouling is slowing the momentum down. Very few fans are content after facing Barca,because they evolve . I fight w/ Drekkard every CL knockout and he knows he has to put up w/ our assessments or better define bile lol

We lost to one final, 3 would put me off to a looney bin. If anyone goes back in the thread you will see Drekkard has been through alot of hotheads and he`s still here . I just want to sincerely apologies in ADVANCE when we face each other.:SMUG:
 
One of the worst performances i saw of the current Barcelona generation.
I think Real Madrid will win La Liga this year...no way Barcelona is gonna come back.
 
Time to invest in a real striker I suppose. Wierd they don't have that sort of player on the team. Soldado can be a good addition.

I too think this will be Real's year. They seem to be more clinical and efficient. Seems like the Liga coaches have solved the Barcelona riddle or at least taking a different approach if we don't want to put to much on this one loss but Barcelona did suffer 4 draws. The way the other teams are closing the when defending gaps is much better than in previous years.
 
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To be fair Getafe played extremely defensive football...but all credit to them. This is what the Spanish league will be in a couple of years if nothing changes. This is a better and technical version of the SPL.
I see a downward spiral coming. Good foreign players will not come to other teams than the big two if this continues...Sapnish football has a lot to learn from the Bundesliga.
 
from barca game yesterday it was realy nothing we are used to..they need a CF who would not be affraid to shoot from long distances...
 
Andy Carroll, Pipa?

Sorry, i just couldn't resist...but why not play Villa as a CF, or buy Soldado who is scoring goals galore (and not only against Genk).
 
Have to say I do like how Sanchez integrated into Barcelona, even tho he dosent score. So I'm not sure about new CF or someone else into attack.

Messi had chance to equalize but hit the post.. 6 points away from Real is like ultimatum to Barcelona - they have to win both El Clásico to stay in the race.

On other hand Barcelona had great game with Milan..
 
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Andy Carroll, Pipa?

Sorry, i just couldn't resist...but why not play Villa as a CF, or buy Soldado who is scoring goals galore (and not only against Genk).
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Edinson Cavani maybe... he would probably go to Barca..if they wanted him..

(sorry i couldn´t resist :) )
 
Well, they have the best strikers last years, Ibra & Villa, but the problem is, Guardiolla keeps them in the shadow of Messi, that's the truth for Barcelona, Barcelona = Messi ..
the whole team has one mission, keeping possession of the ball until they find Messi in a comfortable position to score ..
Guardiolla kicked Ibra's ass for Messi's sake, see what Ibra said in his book : he said that Pep wanted to give Messi more freedom and spaces in attack, so, Ibra will have to either play as a winger , or simply leave the team ..
and the same now is happening with Villa..
and the same will happen to any striker who will play for Barcelona ..
it's a team for Messi, who BTW is reliyable and efficient ..

that's why I think strongly that a long term injury for Messi means the end of the season for Barcelona ..

Barcelona without Messi is equal to Valencia or Atletico ..
 
I wouldn´t say Barca depend ONLY on Messi, their problem is that they play mostly on their oponents halfs and are not able to score a goal if they attack the way we are used..Madrid are more effective in attack, becouse they have basicly 3 CF, in Ronaldo-Higuain-Benzema.. Barca have only one, and they play him on left wing Villa, without Villa they don´t have that real CF poacher position basicly..

the oposite clubs if they score, learned how to eliminate them by total defence.. They need a plan B and different system, once they are loosing.. their players usualy don´t shoot that much...Iniesta does, Keita does, but others tend to play their usuall game and that´s why it´s so hard for them to score..

Madrid are looking like not loosing any matches this season at all in Spain...
 
anything can happen in a title race especially when Barca knows how to mentally. Messi is important ,because he brings everyone involve in the play. Not many ST /CF can do well because their game is being the main target man. Not to bring my Arsenal into the mix ,but Robin says he feels more like a ST :FAIL: . Thing is what ST goes to the back and bring the ball up or takes corner kicks :P Robin or Rooney will be the ideal type of forward that Barca needs. Pep try to bring Cesc into that spot ,but Cesc might struggle in that spot ,Although at the start he was doing pretty good.
 
Barcelona's problem concerning Madrid is double.
First of all the first classico is in Madrid.
Second: Madrid will be perfectly happy with a draw and can counter attack.
Even if they win, Madrid is still top of the table.

I prefer Barcelona by a mile to Madrid (don't like their attitude, even if they are playing splendid football at the moment), but i think Madrid will win la Liga this season.
 
A lot of knee-jerk reactions here, Barcelona need a CF? I doubt it unless one of Villa or Messi leaves.

Real Madrid will drop points and Barcelona will at least win one Classico. If anything Real having a lead makes the title race harder to judge IMO. Barcelona still favourites .
 
Not a CF, someone with some physical power up front, at least on the bench. The only player that can cause trouble from a cross is Puyol or Pique. Pep knew this and gambled with Ibrahimovic.
 
I dunno about you but I think there's no need to judge it quickly, Barcelona rarely have bad matches especially upfront and imo they were truly unlucky vs Getafe. Messi and Villa are really more than enough for a team in scoring ways and we talk about Barcelona anyway. The reason is maybe that some of the players might have lost motivation over recent weeks, cuz they seem overconfident in attack, especially on 1on1s with goalkeepers. I think that the overconfidence is due to that they think (know) that they'll definitely get many other chances in the later minutes of the match. So this increases the possibility of being wasteful for the strikers. Anyway, Guardiola is the one who's supposed to do what's needed.
 
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I agree with Kanoute on this. It's a problem of mentality. In all the matches that Barcelona has not win this season the team had at least x3 chances on goal than the opponent. That's a huge number, mind you. And the reason why the matches are not won and even lost it's simply because of being over-confident and sticking to the same playroute all the time.

They're so good that they think they will end up scoring, and then it's done. You see all the chances wasted and it's crazy. And when matches get hard, then the team still lacks a PLAN B. We never cross and hardly shoot from outside, because we're overconfident. And hey, 90% of the time it works! You can't criticize Messi, but I think that we depend too much on him in the style of play. But hey, if we win at Bernabeu it's all solved. It's the only way, because losing against Madrid, to me, is giving up the race definitely (9 points between those 2 great teams is just too much).
 
I'm pretty confident that Barcelona will not win at the Bernabeu. If they do (and i hope so), this would be a personal defeat for Mourinho.
IMO Mourinho will not even attempt to win that much...he will play for a dra right from the start and it will once again be a travesty of a football match, horrible to watch...

If Madrid loose that match, Mourinho deserves to be fired...

But let's hope i'm too pessimistic.
 
It seems that Zlatan is a key to success in Italy, but outside Italy he's underachieving. IMO he is one of the most overrated players in the world.
People who follow Serie A closely strongly disagree with that assessment...
 
Indeed. :P

Zlatan is one of those amazing players that could succeed in any league. He's had great success in Italy and Holland because that's where he spent almost his whole career except his start with Malmo and ONE just ONE season in Spain where things went wrong for many different reasons especially the difference of opinion/clash of personality with the coach. And c'mon if the coach doesn't want you, rate you or like you, what are you gonna do? You're screwed. We can't say he's good in Italy but failed elsewhere, he's barely had a chance outside Italy. And actually did do well in Holland and a good bright start back home in Sweden. Plus even in Barca, I don't think he was as bad as people like to say. I remember a few good moments from him and he hadn't even gelled with the team or language, anything...

Pep is the good guy though. Zlatan's a big jack@$$! So I have no sympathy for him. I definitely do and always have rated him as a top player though. Hell even in his Ajax period, you could see he's something 'special'. And back then he was nowhere near as consistent or prolific (in terms of getting goals) and was even more of a cunt/selfish.
 
I think he's done well enough in CL. With Swedish NT I agree, but that again is because he's had numerous problems with the FA and the coaches and for awhile didn't even play for them.... he's been in and out of the team and the truth is, Zlatan doesn't really care for Sweden! It may be his nation of birth but I think he would've played for Bosnia with more pride and joy. Obviously the fact that he doesn't shows another reason why he's such a prick.
 
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It seems that Zlatan is a key to success in Italy, but outside Italy he's underachieving. IMO he is one of the most overrated players in the world.
People who follow Serie A closely strongly disagree with that assessment...
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Not sure why you write this..only becouse he didn´t made it for Barca? Actually did he fail in there? becouse i think he did pretty well for the time he played..he simply was at wrong place in wrong time imho..

He was the star of team in Ajax, Juve --maybe, Inter and now in AC he is most important striker..

i think he is top class most of what i see from him..

also he can´t win world cup with Sweeden, but imagine him born in Argentina, Spain or Brazil :)
 
PLF, IMO Zlatan underachieved in CL. Players with his reputation win several matches in a CL...when did he ever did that?
I can't remember a single match where he was the match winner...the only team that really went far in the CL witb Zlatan in it was Barcelona (but he never played)...

Sorry to hijack this thread...
 
Zlatan is a great player but I think he would struggle in an environment where he isn't the main star or their are others of his level. I think that's why he's done well at Inter and Juventus because he's been the main guy but the overall quality of the side hasn't been able to compete with better sides and Zlatan himself would struggle in an environment where he isn't the "go to guy"

Think of him in a Poor man's C.Ronaldo (which isn't a bad thing!) he just isn't good enough to be the centre of attention for the VERY best.
 
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PLF, IMO Zlatan underachieved in CL. Players with his reputation win several matches in a CL...when did he ever did that?
I can't remember a single match where he was the match winner...the only team that really went far in the CL witb Zlatan in it was Barcelona (but he never played)...
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that's a common misperception Gerd. sometimes a single game can sculpt people's mind and impress on them such strong opinions and sensations that it becomes very difficult to change their minds.
it happened with kakà when he tore apart man utd in that CL semi-final years ago. kaka had been playing on those crazy standards for 2 years then, but only serie a followers noticed it. then epl followers saw him driving the red devils crazy and all of a sudden he became the best player in the world. it was a single performance, wich is absolutely not enough to rate a player.... and yet most of the people in the world based their opinion on kaka on that match alone (even in this forum).
same happened with c. ronaldo. there were thousands of people repeating the same bullshit about him "yeah he's great, but he can't perform on the biggest stages".... LOL! then he scores in a CL final and suddenly those people completely change their mind about him. it was just a single goal, and yet for most people that goal was more "important" than 2 years of world class performances.

as for ibra, what killed his reputation was a liverpool-inter game, years ago. ibra came up with a disappointing performance that night, and that single performance ruined his reputation for good for most "only-epl followers".
i remember i had a conversation about this some time ago in one of the club threads (can't remember wich nor when). i posted some stats to prove how ibra's numbers in champions league were actually better than torres numbers (and we're talking about when torres was having his best form period at anfield).
and yet the undenyable truth, cold hard facts and stats weren't enough to change people's mind. why? because what really impresses people, what sticks on their minds, are single stand-outs performance. that's what people looks after.
u might have an average goal per match ratio of 0.5 in domestic leagues and of 0.3 in CL (wich is ibra's case)... people still won't consider that, they won't care. they will tell you "yeah, but did he ever really have a standout performance in a big match that I WATCHED?" because eventually that's the only thing that matters when most fans judge a player.
zlatan has the second best combined goals\assists per match ratio on the planet (only messi did better than him over the last 10 years. not even c. ronaldo, and henry did better than him). but most epl followers never saw him single handedly lead his team to a win, so they will always see him as an underachiever.

even in spain he did great (any barça fan will confirm u that). in the first half of his one season with the blaugranas he litterally carried the team on his shoudlers (his goals\assist ratio was sick! perhaps alexis also remembers the numbers).
then he broke up with guardiola and things went downhill (that fucker insulted pep in front of his teammates and also threatened to punch him... can u believe it!?!)
and anyway, even forgetting about all the drama in the dressing room, ibra still scored 22 goals that season.
and let's not forget ibra was also absolutely unfit to barça playing style.

if i may give u a suggestion mate (and please forgive my arrogance for that), don't give too much importance to single performances, and don't use champions league as a benchmark to rate a player as an underachiever. antonio di natale (just to make an example) has a pretty lousy champions league record (he almost hasn't a CL history at all), and yet he's hardly an underachiever and i doubt anyone who's seen him playing would question his "worldclassness" :P
 
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I agree with that last post YoungGun...

Ben, you are the last person i would call arrogant. I remember having that discussion about Zlatan with you (and PLF) in another thread. At the time you said that performing consistent in a league is more difficult than to shine in big matches like the CL or a WC. I partly agree with you...but i think a player like Zlatan (who is a very good player, but not "world class"...this is partly a joke because i had a similar, endless discussion in the Arsenal thread about Van Persie) should also be a big match player. A player who can change the outcome in Big European matches...unless i forget something (and worryingly, i tend to forget more and more), Zlaten never made the difference in European matches after his Ajax period.

But maybe this discussion is similar as the one about Van Persie...they are both top class players (and i rate Van Persie higher, although Zlatan has a higher profile), but not what i call real stars, players in the same league as Messi, Xavi, Ronaldo, Villa...

I also must admit, that i don't like his attitude at all...so i'm maybe prejudiced.

PS: i agree with you about Di Natale...
 
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Gerd said:
Zlaten never made the difference in European matches after his Ajax period.
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he actually did that on several occasions. he litterally saved inter's ass in CL quite often and he also had some standout performances in CL with barça (the first one which pops in my mind is the arsenal game in london).
but, as u remarked, i consider consistency a much more important factor than single standout performances.

i play tennis quite regularly. i'm nothing more than average at it. but 3 weeks ago i had an amazing game. i litterally beated the shit out of a much better tennis player than me, and, had u seen me playing that game alone, u would think i am an amazing tennis player. truth is that was the best performance in my life and i probably won't ever play that good again. :P
single standout performances always catch the attention, but are most unreliable to judge the actual quality of a player.

anyway i just read that conversation in the arsenal thread u were talking about and i think the best comments came from pushy and lami. who cares about who is world class and who isn't. there's not a clear threshold and it's quite a subjective matter, so there's no such thing as a right opinion or a wrong one :))

and btw, no matter how much u don't like ibra's attitude, u can't possibly dislike him more than i do :P. i absolutely can't stand him and (like i said in that conversation we had years ago) i actually enjoy the fact that he's often underestimated by epl followers (and i also remember Sina felt the same about him).
 
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