FC Barcelona Thread

That was a very good post, Ben, I wouldn't say at all that Ibra underperformed at Barcelona. He was the key man for the team in the first 10 matches of the season (he was more deciding than Messi in that period, mind you).

But the problem arose when Messi became fit and started to shine as usual. Ibra couldn't stand Messi being the main actor (because sometimes it meant him going to the wing, which is obviously not his position) and he ended up destroying all of his reputation and his career here at Barcelona when he faced Pep in the wrong way. As Ben says, Ibra performed like a cunt out of the pitch, but inside he did quite well and his ratio of goals and assists was splendid.

In fact, the league title was decided by the direct confrontations between Madrid and Barcelona. Barcleona won 1-0 at the Camp Nou... with an Ibra goal when Barcelona was playing with 10 men. Ibra underachieved against Inter at CL, but the whole team did and the ref and luck didn't help much.

I think Ibra has won the last 10 domestic titles he has participated in combining Eredivisie, Scudetto and La Liga! Who can say this? He's clearly a great player for season trophies!

Part of the problem of him not being tagged world class (or whatever name you want to put to the fan-o-meter) is that he's very limited at associating with people. He needs the team to play for him in a very specific way, so it's hard to find a great team that plays as a team and has Ibra in it. His greatness makes him save his team a lot of times, but also limits him to domestic glory with specific teams because he doesn't fit into team dynamics very much.

For example, if Milan wanted to add 3 or 4 great players to the team, there are a lot of probabilities that Ibra would clash with them. This prevented him of having more success at Barcelona (he won the League and had a CL semifinal in which luck was against Barcelona anyway, so he WAS actually succesful), but stats tell taht his performance was better than Pedro, Henry, Villa, Bojan or whoever that has played upfront in the last 3 years except Etoo and Messi.

PS: He's a cunt, though.
 
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I guess i don't see him enough to judge him...
And about that Van Persie discussion...that was a ridiculous one. It started seriously, then i took it as a joke and in the end i felt a litle bit ashamed by it.
 
I think Ibra has won the last 10 domestic titles he has participated in combining Eredivisie, Scudetto and La Liga! Who can say this? He's clearly a great player for season trophies!

Just a little correction, it's 9 out of 10, last 8 in a row.

Well, regarding Ibrahimovic issue, I partly agree with gerd, he is mostly an underachiever in big matches especially in CL considering his outstanding skills. To me, he is one hell of a legendary player who made many things that the other players can't even imagine come true. Maybe I'd be like stating the obvious but how many players could you recall with those skills Ibra had and also with that giant stature Ibra had? His incredible tricks, genius assists, stunning screamers all combining is an enough reason for most fans including me to overlook his bad performances in many CL matches and in national stage, and even his character, too.
 
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^^^ True! :D Remember that?! lol Classic Zlatan! Years ago!

Ben said everything I wanted to say basically. Good points by Alexis as well.

I also must admit, that i don't like his attitude at all...so i'm maybe prejudiced.

and btw, no matter how much u don't like ibra's attitude, u can't possibly dislike him more than i do :P. i absolutely can't stand him and (like i said in that conversation we had years ago) i actually enjoy the fact that he's often underestimated by epl followers (and i also remember Sina felt the same about him).

Don't worry Gerd, that's one thing we ALL can agree on! :D He's a REAL cunt! :P
I don't know many people that actually 'like' this guy. Even half the Milan fans hate him but are cheering for him right now only because he's helping the team which is understandable and what a good supporter would do.
 
Wierd I heard journalists say he is a pretty decent guy but he really is one of the biggest jackasses in football. He thinks too highly of himself.
 
To be honest, i don't know if i would be any better if your are seen as the next big thing from a very early age...i would have been an ever bigger cunt. I think those young players need guidance. Not from a moralistic point of view, but because at that young age they simply need help or otherwise they would loose the plot.
 
He has accumulated more in transfer money from club to club than any other player in history! :D

Anelka is probably 2nd or 3rd.
 
The biggest mercenary would be Vieri. He played at a different club every almost season for nearly a decade until he landed at Inter. But he played at 14 different clubs! Does anybody know if someone tops this? Probably it deserves a thread in the footy section. Going to open one. See you there.
 
Vieri played for more clubs and also accumulated a lot of TRANSFER fees but as far as I know, Zlatan has the transfer fees record!
 
Part of the problem of him not being tagged world class (or whatever name you want to put to the fan-o-meter) is that he's very limited at associating with people. He needs the team to play for him in a very specific way, so it's hard to find a great team that plays as a team and has Ibra in it. His greatness makes him save his team a lot of times, but also limits him to domestic glory with specific teams because he doesn't fit into team dynamics very much.

as Sina already pointed out, that is a very good point, Alexis. i think you're absolutely spot on on that.

btw, how awesome was the milan-barça game!!! :)) i know i'm bit late, but still...
it was a very good performance by milan and such an entertaining match. hats off to allegri for his bold gameplan.
and the craziest thing is that even a very good performance by milan still wasn't enough to secure the victory against the blaugranas.
honestly this barça team is just ridiculous. there's almost something "hypnotic" about their football.
i'm seriously looking forward to watch the clasico this time. i have the feeling mourinho is gonna display a much different gameplan that he did last season in the first leg of the double CL clash, so there's hoping we might get to see a great football match. :))
 
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Hi ben, i wouldn't be so sure about the classico, though. Too much at stakes to have a clean vibrant game, but there's hope.. I think mou will put 3 dmf and no ozil, and plan to do high pressure and do quick counters. If barcelona is good enough moving the ball, they could have big problems, but if barcelona specilates it can be hard for us.

Madrid will be very dirty as they use to in those matches,and i hope we don't have busquets and di maria diving olimpically as usual. If the referee has some guts and madrid plays aggressive, they could have a problem, too. If they are allowed to kick everything as last year, then the problem is ours... Different styles, both teams are solid and powerful.

I hope we watch a match at ñeast as good as the Supercopa ones.
 
Yeah I'm not so optimistic about El Classico either but I hope I'm wrong.

The problem is in matches like that, with tensions so high, EVERY player turns into Busquets and Di Maria! EVERY single one of them! Both Barca and Real players will do ANYTHING to win and that means Xavi will even dive, Villa will elbow players, Pepe and Ramos do the usual dirty stuff except now all other Real players become another Pepe!

These matches are crazy! For that 90 minutes, they transform men into beasts and champions into cheaters. The cleanest, most saint-like players will turn into pieces of shit and jerks during these matches! ALL of them! I hope to see a clean nice competitive match but I expect the opposite.
 
I hope i'm wrong, but Mourinho will play for a draw and hope for a counter goal...i'm afraid we will see a very defensive Real Madrid team...

Ok, so now that i have predicted that, we're sure to see the most spectacular and offensive classico ever...
 
im wating too for el classico and I hope Real gonna win it

however I hope refere does hes job good and not help barca as they do many times :P
 
im wating too for el classico and I hope Real gonna win it

however I hope refere does hes job good and not help barca as they do many times :P

Another childish conspirational post... Referees have been both in favour and against Barcelona in the last years. Only that people have very selective memory and can only remember the 3 or 4 times a ref has really helped us. You clearly ignore any decision against Barcelona because you hate them. And obviously you don't see all the barcelona matches or you have (as many others that post this kind of silly things) a dogmatic bias against anything Barcelona.

And if you're talking about Classicos in La Liga, I don't really think you know what you're talking about...
 
Another childish conspirational post... Referees have been both in favour and against Barcelona in the last years. Only that people have very selective memory and can only remember the 3 or 4 times a ref has really helped us. You clearly ignore any decision against Barcelona because you hate them. And obviously you don't see all the barcelona matches or you have (as many others that post this kind of silly things) a dogmatic bias against anything Barcelona.

And if you're talking about Classicos in La Liga, I don't really think you know what you're talking about...

wow take is easy hun ur too nervous before el classico i guess

i put ": P" and mean that I did for joke but yeah u have right I hate barca (they were ONE of my fav on start of 2000 when they play football) even if i "dont" like Real and strange I hate them even more than rivals of my team Everton & Manchester

also u have right I dont follow Barca , last match i saw was last El Classico and i'll watch now just coz its playing vs Real , I dont really care to see theyr matchs and I dont care to see La Liga actors I prefere to watch hollywood movies ;)
 
I'm ok with that, but it's quite absurd to accuse Barcelona of something when you actually haven't seen a match of them.

By the way, saying "I was a fan of them in the 2000 when they played football" is quite absurd, both because 1999-2004 may be amongst the worst time for the club in history, and because it shows appreciation for the sport: if you liked 2000's Barcelona more than the current one, that's because you clearly love... baseball?

I put an emoticon to show I'm just joking, too! :P
 
I'm ok with that, but it's quite absurd to accuse Barcelona of something when you actually haven't seen a match of them.

By the way, saying "I was a fan of them in the 2000 when they played football" is quite absurd, both because 1999-2004 may be amongst the worst time for the club in history, and because it shows appreciation for the sport: if you liked 2000's Barcelona more than the current one, that's because you clearly love... baseball? I put an emoticon to show I'm just joking, too! :P


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I'm ok with that, but it's quite absurd to accuse Barcelona of something when you actually haven't seen a match of them.

By the way, saying "I was a fan of them in the 2000 when they played football" is quite absurd, both because 1999-2004 may be amongst the worst time for the club in history, and because it shows appreciation for the sport: if you liked 2000's Barcelona more than the current one, that's because you clearly love... baseball?

I put an emoticon to show I'm just joking, too! :P


hmmm i want to say of years 2000 but i mean for time of Kulivert Rivaldo etc this was my dream team

im not good in english so many times persons dont understand what i mean :/

Baseball I love but just to play not watch :P
 
I know what you mean about Rivaldo, he was sensational. I think I remember seeing him hit a hattrick against Valenica which meant they got a CL place it must have been in around 2001. The last one was an overhead kick from outside the area.

The thing about Rivaldo, and also in someways Ronaldinho, is you could never tell what he would do next, he might shoot from a massive distance from goal, he might score from a free kick, or he might dribble past players and finish from inside the box. I just don't really see that random nature of attacking in any player in the current Barca team. Obviously they are better team in terms of results now, and they are better at short passing, and Messi is better at dribbling than any player in the 2001 Barca team. But when you watched the Barca team of 2001 there was a brilliant randomness about it, you could never tell how a goal would be scored by them, whereas the current team, by and large Barca will score goals from shooting in the box after lots of short passing and/or Messi dribbling - I know there have been headers from Fabregas in the last few games, but most Barca goals this season that I've seen have been of the former type. Personally, like Valon, I would prefer to watch the 2001 team as there was an element of unpredictability of how they would attack and how they would score as players like Rivaldo were able to do so many things. Some people like the thrill of the unknown, or the diversity of an artist like Rivaldo, rather than watching a slick automated machine.
 
I also enjoyed Barcelona at the time, This goal made me drool and laugh at the time YouTube - LFC v Barca 2001 :DD

Also Rivaldo had that genuine ability which has been a bit lost in the more machine like players today of pure magic. he (like Ronaldinho)would do things at times that just made you :SHOCK:

But it would be silly to compare that lot to the current generation, if anything imagine Rivaldo in this current Barcelona team!

Can't wait for the Classico tonight, should be a cracker, I have this feeling Real will go for it (within reason obviously with the defensive 3 man midfield) and could see a 3-2 or something.
 
Sanchez is flirting with a red card.
Barcelona started the classico as mental loosers...
Sometimes i wonder why Barcelona does not play with a real CF.

1-1 at half time...not enough for Barca...
 
i thought this was Real´s to take...but Barca is simply sensational..

Golden ball for Xavi, hope he win´s it...even if Iniesta and Messi deserve it as well..
 
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