airjoca
International
You guys still think you don't need any more quality backup CBs?
Ronaldinho_23
Premier League
bad moment for barça...we are sleeping in match moment...
last year, is same...0-2 hercules 1-1 rubin kazan...
don't worry
we wait return of pique...
last year, is same...0-2 hercules 1-1 rubin kazan...
don't worry
we wait return of pique...
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
so are you going to stick to the new 3-4-3 system? Seems less full proof as the system that's worked in the last season or two which didn't need to be changed.
bebo
Looking for a Manager
System changes only to see what works....cant use the same system its important to tweak it to keep other teams from reading their tactics. L love how they call cesc the formal arsenal man ..... Giving arsenal their credit plus cesc fits in like a glove.barca will be fine funny how ppl see barca failing due to a draw not really in here ,but other community .i saw the match on dvr...milan is making it work!
Zeem
Wonder Boy
- 15 July 2006
- AC Milan
Why the system change? Barcelona will control any team in the world but when they controlled yesterday, they didn't finish. Milan were dead,tired,given up in the second half and Barcelona could have scored easily 3-4 goals but they pass,pass,pass and it backfired. Getting Pique back will add soo much.
Well, it was an obvious case of not being fit and not being aggressive mentally in the pitch. As Zeem says, Barcelona should have closed the game and instead of trying to shoot on goal, decided to waste time with possession.
Look what I posted about Real Sociedad game, this was EXACTLY the same. A mentality problem.
I think we need another CB, actually, but that's because of the 3 injuries we have now. In a normal scenario, we should have had a fit Pique or Puyol or even Adriano, so Busquests shouldn't be there. By the way, Busquets is playing the worse football I've ever seen from him. He's totally lost. I never liked him much, but now it's a black hole in the team. He epically failed in every dangerous move by Milan.
That said, Pato's goal was sublime. Incredible to see live. And Messi is absolutely divine, but he needs to shoot a lot more form long range. He's a good shooter. We're abusing the possession game in a bad way lately. Even Cesc had 3-4 occasions to shoot and he didn't, while in the Premiere League he would have shot all of them.
I don't mind system changes if the mentality is the adequate and the players are fit. The team was virtually playing with 3 defenders already last year, everytime Alves runs the wing. Not that shocking for me.
@Zio, Gerd, Pipa: I agree totally with Gerd and Ben. Guardiola took a team that had ended 18 points behind Madrid and with lots of problems inside. He sacked Deco and Ronaldinho and only signed Alves and Pique (costed 5 M€ and Guardiola had absolute faith in him). He put people like Pedro and Busquets that came form the 3rd division. And he won everything. If that's not being an exceptional, fantastic, extremely good coahc, then I don't know what is. Plus, he took Messi out of the wing and made him score x2 goals and x2 assists as average.
Rijkaard did a good job at the beginning, but ended pretty badly. He was class, though, and we love him. But his team, while being a great team, was quite different than Guardiola's. Just a detail: Iniesta was on the bench and Van Bommel in the pitch in the CL final match against Arsenal.
Look what I posted about Real Sociedad game, this was EXACTLY the same. A mentality problem.
I think we need another CB, actually, but that's because of the 3 injuries we have now. In a normal scenario, we should have had a fit Pique or Puyol or even Adriano, so Busquests shouldn't be there. By the way, Busquets is playing the worse football I've ever seen from him. He's totally lost. I never liked him much, but now it's a black hole in the team. He epically failed in every dangerous move by Milan.
That said, Pato's goal was sublime. Incredible to see live. And Messi is absolutely divine, but he needs to shoot a lot more form long range. He's a good shooter. We're abusing the possession game in a bad way lately. Even Cesc had 3-4 occasions to shoot and he didn't, while in the Premiere League he would have shot all of them.
I don't mind system changes if the mentality is the adequate and the players are fit. The team was virtually playing with 3 defenders already last year, everytime Alves runs the wing. Not that shocking for me.
@Zio, Gerd, Pipa: I agree totally with Gerd and Ben. Guardiola took a team that had ended 18 points behind Madrid and with lots of problems inside. He sacked Deco and Ronaldinho and only signed Alves and Pique (costed 5 M€ and Guardiola had absolute faith in him). He put people like Pedro and Busquets that came form the 3rd division. And he won everything. If that's not being an exceptional, fantastic, extremely good coahc, then I don't know what is. Plus, he took Messi out of the wing and made him score x2 goals and x2 assists as average.
Rijkaard did a good job at the beginning, but ended pretty badly. He was class, though, and we love him. But his team, while being a great team, was quite different than Guardiola's. Just a detail: Iniesta was on the bench and Van Bommel in the pitch in the CL final match against Arsenal.
bebo
Looking for a Manager
Alves n pique cost 5m, combine a total of 29m....not brilliant in my world. I get where u are getting at. I personally think he's slightly above average. Klopp i rate higher than most bosses. Saf is the most successful in my generation a man can evolve from any squad . I wont even bring mou as a boss...dont want to start a war lol
Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
Doubt it, Arsenal are even worse at attempting to pass the ball into the goal than Barca, especially during the infamous Hleb period.
PIPA23
retired :)
- 21 June 2007
barca is just sick 
gerd
Retired Footballer
Barcelona - Ossasuna 8-0.
The ossasuna GK played a good match.
3 balls against the woodwork.
83% ball possession: out of this world.
How much i enjoyed watching Barcelona, Barca and Madrid are too strong (money), this is not a fair competition. If i would be the president of one of the other clubs i would not play those 4 matches against madrid and Barcelona...Ossasuna would have lost 5-0 in that case. Something to think about during the next discussion about the way the TV money is divided.
Barcelona and Madrid need those other clubs...
The ossasuna GK played a good match.
3 balls against the woodwork.
83% ball possession: out of this world.
How much i enjoyed watching Barcelona, Barca and Madrid are too strong (money), this is not a fair competition. If i would be the president of one of the other clubs i would not play those 4 matches against madrid and Barcelona...Ossasuna would have lost 5-0 in that case. Something to think about during the next discussion about the way the TV money is divided.
Barcelona and Madrid need those other clubs...
The_Special_One
I like Unicorns
I was thinking the same Gerd. If I were the president of, let's say, Zaragoza or Osasuna, I would bring my under19 team to Camp Nou and Bernabeu. I wonder if Mediapro (company who holds TV rights) would make profits if the entire league opted the same.
Valon
Banned
its so boring Premiera Division , I think name should change to Barca & Real League and play just them 36 match , so boring Spain League exist just 2 teams and nothing interesting to watch , I dont get persons who say that this is most strong league in the world !!!!
allezlinter
Champions League
I think the exact same way as you valon.
What is the next step ? What will come after those 8-0 scores ?
Soon the 18 other teams will send there reserves to Nou Camp and Bernabeu because between 8-0 and 15-0 letting the titulars to rest, the difference is thin.
Furthermore, we only speak/report/analyse about 2 matches each WE, and if we do, imagine what it is in Qatar (for instance) where they do not football well yet : the others matches will be as if they had not been played, meaning no media income for the 18 other clubs.
Liga is dying due to this.
In 2 or 3 years, Barça and Real will be as Glasgow clubs, playing 2 big match per year and the rest of time facing nothing (or almost).
And I'd even say it destroys all other championships too, because Milan, Bayern, ManU, Chelsea will only play their championship matchs to be ready when they face Barça or Real.
I think it is a shame to let this go, and the (only ?) solution is a European Superleague.
Edit : Oops TSO i did not read what you wrote before posting, and we posted the same thing :S
Nevermind, the Liga has no future like that imo
What is the next step ? What will come after those 8-0 scores ?
Soon the 18 other teams will send there reserves to Nou Camp and Bernabeu because between 8-0 and 15-0 letting the titulars to rest, the difference is thin.
Furthermore, we only speak/report/analyse about 2 matches each WE, and if we do, imagine what it is in Qatar (for instance) where they do not football well yet : the others matches will be as if they had not been played, meaning no media income for the 18 other clubs.
Liga is dying due to this.
In 2 or 3 years, Barça and Real will be as Glasgow clubs, playing 2 big match per year and the rest of time facing nothing (or almost).
And I'd even say it destroys all other championships too, because Milan, Bayern, ManU, Chelsea will only play their championship matchs to be ready when they face Barça or Real.
I think it is a shame to let this go, and the (only ?) solution is a European Superleague.
Edit : Oops TSO i did not read what you wrote before posting, and we posted the same thing :S
Nevermind, the Liga has no future like that imo
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The_Special_One
I like Unicorns
Seems that we were sharing thoughts mate. 
Furthermore, besides Barça and Madrid, also the TV companies will suffer if La Liga quality goes backwards. I mean, if this bipolarity continues, people won't pay to watch football on tv, no one will pay 11,90€ per game (Spanish PPV) to watch a 8-0, neither Barça and Madrid fans becuase they know their teams are going to demolish the opponents. C'mon, this a lose-lose situation for all sides.
I just don't agree with your Superleague idea, national leagues are special, the regional rivalries are intense, and let's say, a game between Arsenal and Tottenham will always be much more exciting than an Arsenal-Inter, for example.
Furthermore, besides Barça and Madrid, also the TV companies will suffer if La Liga quality goes backwards. I mean, if this bipolarity continues, people won't pay to watch football on tv, no one will pay 11,90€ per game (Spanish PPV) to watch a 8-0, neither Barça and Madrid fans becuase they know their teams are going to demolish the opponents. C'mon, this a lose-lose situation for all sides.
I just don't agree with your Superleague idea, national leagues are special, the regional rivalries are intense, and let's say, a game between Arsenal and Tottenham will always be much more exciting than an Arsenal-Inter, for example.
allezlinter
Champions League
Yes of course.
Rivalries are football. Nothing is more exciting than the few minutes before Inter and Milan enter pitch for the Derby, same for Arsenal and Tottenham, PSG and OM, ...
But like this, there is no solution.
If we wait too long (and for me too long is not decades, it could be next season), 18 professional clubs will not be able to have a decent financial balance. With Platini's finantial fairplay coming too, La Liga's club will be obliged to sell their best players to be able to pay the salaries of others. I mean no one will pay to see neither 10-0 matches each week end, nor a violent fight between Real and Barça twice a year.
Rivalries are football. Nothing is more exciting than the few minutes before Inter and Milan enter pitch for the Derby, same for Arsenal and Tottenham, PSG and OM, ...
But like this, there is no solution.
If we wait too long (and for me too long is not decades, it could be next season), 18 professional clubs will not be able to have a decent financial balance. With Platini's finantial fairplay coming too, La Liga's club will be obliged to sell their best players to be able to pay the salaries of others. I mean no one will pay to see neither 10-0 matches each week end, nor a violent fight between Real and Barça twice a year.
Ronaldinho_23
Premier League
hahahahaha
don't worry boys....in premier, only win chelsea or manu...this year, maybe, city...nothing club more...
in Italy win inter or milan
in europe...2 champions of 3..
12 titles of 15
Europe is Barça? i think no, but, if I see your opinion about spanish league, i will can say "barceurope"
barça and madrid are the most stronger teams at world in this moment, maybe with manU. is normal that this teams destroy her small-teams in league.
infinal CL, barcelona win easy 3-1 at manu....
come back today match.
8-0
3-messi
2-villa
1-cesc
1-xavi
1-autogoal
Cesc & Messi
AMAZING!
don't worry boys....in premier, only win chelsea or manu...this year, maybe, city...nothing club more...
in Italy win inter or milan
in europe...2 champions of 3..
12 titles of 15
Europe is Barça? i think no, but, if I see your opinion about spanish league, i will can say "barceurope"
barça and madrid are the most stronger teams at world in this moment, maybe with manU. is normal that this teams destroy her small-teams in league.
infinal CL, barcelona win easy 3-1 at manu....
come back today match.
8-0
3-messi
2-villa
1-cesc
1-xavi
1-autogoal
Cesc & Messi
AMAZING!
PIPA23
retired :)
- 21 June 2007
agree Allez, i think i said something in this matter that soon there will be spanish Old firm 
bebo
Looking for a Manager
Haha good shouts guys....to think barca b team couldnt even get promoted due to barca being there.barca b woulf make cl every deason if they were allow to move up lol
It's kind of a good thing that this is finally so obviously broken that people are starting to take notice. I'm a huge proponent of the other Spanish La Liga teams just playing their reserves against Barca/ Real. Make the league the mockery that it already is, but out in the open.
The thing that kills me is that despite all of their advantages, the corrupt tv money and so forth - neither of those clubs are actually making money! So Barca don't feel comfortable enough with their existing advantage, they still take on more debt and buy Sanchez and Fabregas. Like so much in football these days, they don't operate in reality.
If only I had any faith this would lead to some kind of UEFA wide salary cap. But it won't.
The thing that kills me is that despite all of their advantages, the corrupt tv money and so forth - neither of those clubs are actually making money! So Barca don't feel comfortable enough with their existing advantage, they still take on more debt and buy Sanchez and Fabregas. Like so much in football these days, they don't operate in reality.
If only I had any faith this would lead to some kind of UEFA wide salary cap. But it won't.
bebo
Looking for a Manager
Mutd is the riches club yeah....players going to mcity for money yeah.rm n barca has clout n history everyone dreams to play for them especially foreigners. They cant sign everyone right n mcity can only loan out so many.the playing field will level itself out in the end.
allezlinter
Champions League
hahahahaha
don't worry boys....in premier, only win chelsea or manu...this year, maybe, city...nothing club more...
in Italy win inter or milan
in europe...2 champions of 3..
12 titles of 15
Europe is Barça? i think no, but, if I see your opinion about spanish league, i will can say "barceurope"
barça and madrid are the most stronger teams at world in this moment, maybe with manU. is normal that this teams destroy her small-teams in league.
infinal CL, barcelona win easy 3-1 at manu....
come back today match.
8-0
3-messi
2-villa
1-cesc
1-xavi
1-autogoal
Cesc & Messi
AMAZING!
Again, does it worth watching the games then ?
You say it's normal, i'd say it's a vicious consequence of the finantial freedom of barça and real.
I think you're wrong there. Barcelona IS making money in the last 2 years. And a lot of money, in fact. The budget has been doubled in the last 5 years. When things like this happen, a company normally tends to operate in debt, because the growth of their income is higher than the interests of the debt they take. Having long-term loans to operate is a common practice of very big companies. As long as your income keeps growing, the banks will continue to lend you money and your economic situation is good.
Barcelona has signed Alexis and Cesc by 54 M€, which is in fact less than what Chelsea payed for a winter transfer...
The TV contracts are ruining the competition in Spain, it's true, but there are a lot of other factors involved and I'll do a long post about it when I can. The Premiere league would have ended the same if teams like Chelsea and Man City weren't given the money they have now, without having incomes to sustain it.
As I say, it deserves a long post to understand a lot of things. For example, in Spain 85% of PPV is generated by Madrid and Barcelona.
lo zio
International
- 24 October 2005
- Palermo
i gotta say i don't understand the reason of all this barcelona bashing lately..... no wait, to be honest i perfectly understand the reason of this hatred and where it comes from (and as a neutral, i also find it quite sickening to be honest), but i really don't want to get into that as i'm not in the mood to start a heated discussion right now.
i'll just say that: i find it hilarious to see the effort people put into finding new reasons to criticize barcelona...
first people were outraged at the fact that "yes, barçelona players dive".... as if they were the only team which recurrs to theese cheesy expedients....
then people blamed them for overspending and recurring to debt..... now i would understand if a schalke fan or a werder fan or a palermo fan would criticize their finalcial strategies...but an inter fan? a man utd fan? such complaints sound quite hypocritical coming from them.
anyway guys, let me just point out something that should actually be quite obvious. spanish midclass clubs and poor clubs have absolutely no reasons to complain for the tv money distribution in spain.... and u guys too have absolutely no reason to bash on barça or real madrid...... because it's not because of barça and real madrid that the tv money distribution in spain is ridiculous.
to suggest that small clubs should line up their youngsters against barça and real, in protest for their current tv-rights deal is just ridiculous..... because this current situation is only their own fault. nobody forced Urrutia (bilbao) or Llorente (valencia) to sign their current tv-broadcasting contracts. nobody pointed a gun at Cerezo (atl. madrid) and Iglesias (zaragoza) when they accepted those terms. it's not barça's fault or real madrid's fault if Lendoiro (deportivo) and Izco (osasuna) accepted to be bullied by the spanish tv advisors.
they are responsible for this situation. not barça and real. they didn't stand up against their negotiating counterparts and that's just the consequence of their lazyness and lack of spine.
they could have refused to sign their individual broadcasting contracts, they could have threatened their counterparts (the broadcasting companies' advisors) to create their own tv platform...... they could have forced their negotial counterpart to accept a collective deal (like serie a clubs did a few years ago).... but they didn't, and now they're getting exactly what they deserve.
the only president who can rightfully complain about this situation is del nido, because he was the only one willing to fight to get better conditions... but all the other spanish clubs turned their backs on him and left him alone (and powerless).
if u don't stand up for yourself, then u deserve nothing. just a few years back serie a clubs were in the exact same position. but, unlike their spanish counterparts, serie a miclass clubs and poor clubs presidents stood up against sky and mediaset (tv broadcasters). they fought to get a collective deal... and they got it.
so if u guys wanna point your fingers at someone for this current situation, then direct your complaints and criticisms towards the real responsibles of this financial disaster.
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and as for theese criticisms to la liga ("beeing a sunny spl), honestly i believe all the majors leagues in europe have their own flaws.
the epl has the best tv-money distribution in europe and the most top clubs.... but the quality of the football played by their bottom-table clubs is just atrocious.
la liga has a terrible tv-money distribution and the gap between the top 2 and the rest of the league is huge.... but the quality of the football displayed on a weekly basis by their poor clubs is lightyears better than the quality of the football displayed by their english counterparts.
serie a has an "almost fair" tv-money distribution system and the overall quality of the football played in the league is very high, but our top clubs are just not on par with their english and spanish counterparts.
so yeah, bottom line, la liga might look like the spl compared to epl.....when u talk about competitiveness.
but then again, if we steer the discussion to the quality of the football, then the epl becomes like the spl, of compared to la liga.
i'll just say that: i find it hilarious to see the effort people put into finding new reasons to criticize barcelona...
first people were outraged at the fact that "yes, barçelona players dive".... as if they were the only team which recurrs to theese cheesy expedients....
then people blamed them for overspending and recurring to debt..... now i would understand if a schalke fan or a werder fan or a palermo fan would criticize their finalcial strategies...but an inter fan? a man utd fan? such complaints sound quite hypocritical coming from them.
anyway guys, let me just point out something that should actually be quite obvious. spanish midclass clubs and poor clubs have absolutely no reasons to complain for the tv money distribution in spain.... and u guys too have absolutely no reason to bash on barça or real madrid...... because it's not because of barça and real madrid that the tv money distribution in spain is ridiculous.
to suggest that small clubs should line up their youngsters against barça and real, in protest for their current tv-rights deal is just ridiculous..... because this current situation is only their own fault. nobody forced Urrutia (bilbao) or Llorente (valencia) to sign their current tv-broadcasting contracts. nobody pointed a gun at Cerezo (atl. madrid) and Iglesias (zaragoza) when they accepted those terms. it's not barça's fault or real madrid's fault if Lendoiro (deportivo) and Izco (osasuna) accepted to be bullied by the spanish tv advisors.
they are responsible for this situation. not barça and real. they didn't stand up against their negotiating counterparts and that's just the consequence of their lazyness and lack of spine.
they could have refused to sign their individual broadcasting contracts, they could have threatened their counterparts (the broadcasting companies' advisors) to create their own tv platform...... they could have forced their negotial counterpart to accept a collective deal (like serie a clubs did a few years ago).... but they didn't, and now they're getting exactly what they deserve.
the only president who can rightfully complain about this situation is del nido, because he was the only one willing to fight to get better conditions... but all the other spanish clubs turned their backs on him and left him alone (and powerless).
if u don't stand up for yourself, then u deserve nothing. just a few years back serie a clubs were in the exact same position. but, unlike their spanish counterparts, serie a miclass clubs and poor clubs presidents stood up against sky and mediaset (tv broadcasters). they fought to get a collective deal... and they got it.
so if u guys wanna point your fingers at someone for this current situation, then direct your complaints and criticisms towards the real responsibles of this financial disaster.
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and as for theese criticisms to la liga ("beeing a sunny spl), honestly i believe all the majors leagues in europe have their own flaws.
the epl has the best tv-money distribution in europe and the most top clubs.... but the quality of the football played by their bottom-table clubs is just atrocious.
la liga has a terrible tv-money distribution and the gap between the top 2 and the rest of the league is huge.... but the quality of the football displayed on a weekly basis by their poor clubs is lightyears better than the quality of the football displayed by their english counterparts.
serie a has an "almost fair" tv-money distribution system and the overall quality of the football played in the league is very high, but our top clubs are just not on par with their english and spanish counterparts.
so yeah, bottom line, la liga might look like the spl compared to epl.....when u talk about competitiveness.
but then again, if we steer the discussion to the quality of the football, then the epl becomes like the spl, of compared to la liga.
gerd
Retired Footballer
I started this Ben.
I have nothing against Barcelona, on the contrary: i love them. I never liked big clubs, with one exception: Barcelona.
I have enjoyed Barcelona's football against Ossasuna, but i want competitive football. I want as much clubs having a chance to win silverware. It's not so long ago that a club like Sociedad nearly became champions and that Deportivo, Valencia and Atletico did win la Liga.
Same goed for other competitions: in Italy both Milanese clubs and sometimes Roma or Juventus, but not Fiorentina, Palermo, Lazio or Genoa (this year maybe Napoli).
In England: Man Utd, Man City and maybe (just maybe) Chelsea. Arsenal and Liverpool seem far away now and i don't even want to think about Everton or Aston Villa, let alone other clubs.
CL: only 4 or 5 clubs have a reasonable chance to win...
The way competitions are organized and the money is divdided kills fair competition. I don't like that, even at the moment the best club in the world is a club i love (oh and i'm fed up with these classico's that have nothing to do with football..the match between the supposedly two best football club is a travesty of a football match).
Rant over: sorry.
I have nothing against Barcelona, on the contrary: i love them. I never liked big clubs, with one exception: Barcelona.
I have enjoyed Barcelona's football against Ossasuna, but i want competitive football. I want as much clubs having a chance to win silverware. It's not so long ago that a club like Sociedad nearly became champions and that Deportivo, Valencia and Atletico did win la Liga.
Same goed for other competitions: in Italy both Milanese clubs and sometimes Roma or Juventus, but not Fiorentina, Palermo, Lazio or Genoa (this year maybe Napoli).
In England: Man Utd, Man City and maybe (just maybe) Chelsea. Arsenal and Liverpool seem far away now and i don't even want to think about Everton or Aston Villa, let alone other clubs.
CL: only 4 or 5 clubs have a reasonable chance to win...
The way competitions are organized and the money is divdided kills fair competition. I don't like that, even at the moment the best club in the world is a club i love (oh and i'm fed up with these classico's that have nothing to do with football..the match between the supposedly two best football club is a travesty of a football match).
Rant over: sorry.
lo zio
International
- 24 October 2005
- Palermo
i understand that Gerd. infact i wasn't having a go at u (nor at anyone else)... it's just that lately it really looks as if people were desperately trying to point their fingers at barça.
first barça were blamed for trying to use whatever leverage they could get in the fabregas deal. now i can perfectly understand an arsenal fan being mad at them (as there's some frustration involved), but also non arsenal fans criticised barça for that (and that's absolutely ridiculous).
then there was that ridiculous shitstorm about barça being a team of cheaters.... only because some of their players tend to dive every time they got a chance to (wich was even more ridiculous than the arsenal-fabregas criticisms).
now it seems like people are blaming barça for the stupid tv contracts spanish midclass teams signed.... WTF!! it's not barça's fault if the other spanish club owners are a bunch of spineless idiots who don't stand up for their clubs..... i read some crazy stuff like "corrupt tv money" (what the hell does that mean) or "small clubs should protest by lining up they youngsters"... protest against who? barça and real? why? whose signature is on deportivo's, zaragoza's, osasuna's tv contracts??? rosell's signature? floreintino's signature? of course not. then why should they be blamed for this situation. that's even more ridiculous than the fabregas deal criticisms or the cheating\diving criticisms.
and although i know u're not a hater (like i said, i wasn't having a go at u nor at anyone else), when u look at the big picture and take notice of all the shit and all the stupid nonsensical criticisms barça had to endure over the last 2 years (pretty much since they became the unquestioned best team on the planet..... what a coincidence!!!) u just can't help but seeing a (not so well) hidden reason behind those criticisms (and again, i'm obviously not talking about u here).
first barça were blamed for trying to use whatever leverage they could get in the fabregas deal. now i can perfectly understand an arsenal fan being mad at them (as there's some frustration involved), but also non arsenal fans criticised barça for that (and that's absolutely ridiculous).
then there was that ridiculous shitstorm about barça being a team of cheaters.... only because some of their players tend to dive every time they got a chance to (wich was even more ridiculous than the arsenal-fabregas criticisms).
now it seems like people are blaming barça for the stupid tv contracts spanish midclass teams signed.... WTF!! it's not barça's fault if the other spanish club owners are a bunch of spineless idiots who don't stand up for their clubs..... i read some crazy stuff like "corrupt tv money" (what the hell does that mean) or "small clubs should protest by lining up they youngsters"... protest against who? barça and real? why? whose signature is on deportivo's, zaragoza's, osasuna's tv contracts??? rosell's signature? floreintino's signature? of course not. then why should they be blamed for this situation. that's even more ridiculous than the fabregas deal criticisms or the cheating\diving criticisms.
and although i know u're not a hater (like i said, i wasn't having a go at u nor at anyone else), when u look at the big picture and take notice of all the shit and all the stupid nonsensical criticisms barça had to endure over the last 2 years (pretty much since they became the unquestioned best team on the planet..... what a coincidence!!!) u just can't help but seeing a (not so well) hidden reason behind those criticisms (and again, i'm obviously not talking about u here).
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cfdh_edmundo
Maverick
- 30 December 2002
Well are you surprised that people are commenting on the decline in the competitivness of La Liga - and it is in decline, no one can argue about that? Are you surprised that people look at the TV income and say, if it goes on, the league will only get even more dichotomous?
You can argue about who or why the tv rights deal was carved up the way it is, but Gerd's point about competitive football is the salient one. It's also worth noting that Spain, as an economy, is in a rather tight spot at the moment. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that several top flight Spanish clubs could be bankrupt this season or next. Saragossa have sold a lot of their squad and couldnt even keep average players like Jarosik (Czech player) due to wages being higher than income. Valencia and Villareal are having to sell "star" players (Cazorla) because of cash flow problems. Many clubs could face even more problems if there is a banking collapse or Euro fallout in Spain. Globally are viewers really going to be that interested in watching La Liga ? When you get such one sided matches ?
You can argue about who or why the tv rights deal was carved up the way it is, but Gerd's point about competitive football is the salient one. It's also worth noting that Spain, as an economy, is in a rather tight spot at the moment. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that several top flight Spanish clubs could be bankrupt this season or next. Saragossa have sold a lot of their squad and couldnt even keep average players like Jarosik (Czech player) due to wages being higher than income. Valencia and Villareal are having to sell "star" players (Cazorla) because of cash flow problems. Many clubs could face even more problems if there is a banking collapse or Euro fallout in Spain. Globally are viewers really going to be that interested in watching La Liga ? When you get such one sided matches ?
bebo
Looking for a Manager
I think competitiveness carries more weight than quality ,because the game matters much more due to the effects of other clubs. MCity drew w/ Fulham or Rover beating Arsenal any given day the balance changes.Also, it`s ones opinion too .
Barca do receives unfair criticism at times , but it also receive over the top praises. No one talks about Mutd now and how incredible their playing ,because ppl will say Barca are better n done it. I`m not stirring the pot here to start a bashing , plz . Im a gooner who seen failure after failure
Barca are no friends of Arsenal. They hate Wenger and that`s all good and dandy. It`s business w/ Wenger he nor our squad bashes other clubs in public. ppl knows Barca are world class top side it`s the arrogance about it really. Take every insult with a grain of salt! I would love to be in Barca shoes at the end of the day.... I can take the undeserve hate as long as we filling the trophy cabinets 
lo zio
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- 24 October 2005
- Palermo
no mate, i'm not surprised by that. infact i completely agree with that and i believe this is a serious issue that la liga's clubs owners should address immediately (although unfortunately it looks like they don't have the balls to stand up against the spanish broadcasting companies).
what surprises me is to see people are blaming barçelona for this lack of competitiveness (by suggesting other teams should line up their reserves in protest or - even more nonsensical - by implying corruption accusations). i guess i didn't express my point clearly (afterall i'm not an english native speaker), but that was my only point. i certainly didn't mean to deny the evident decline of la liga's competitiveness.
what honestly bothers me is to notice how people (specifically other top club supporters) feel this urge to find some logical arguments to dislike barçelona... coming up with the most ridiculous criticisms (like the diving\cheating debate we had on this thread months ago).
my point is: u don't like barçelona? fine, just say it out loud; i can't stand them. that's ok. u don't need a reason to dislike someone or something. but this ridiculous effort some people and media put into trying to find a somehow logical, empirical reason to dislike them is just embarassing... especially when it leads to making up stupid stuff like "they're despicable because they dive"... or "they're despicable because the other clubs signed some terrible tv deals". that's my only point.
i dunno about that bebo. i mean when u buy a ticket for a match and go to the stadium, what's your main hope "i hope the league will be competitive this season" or "i hope i'll see some good football" ?bebo said:
i mean, wheter it's a domestic league or a cup, eventually it all comes down to 90 minutes of football, so the actual quality of the football we get to see week in week out carries a lot of weight, when it comes to judging a competition.
but anyway, u're right, it's mostly a subjective matter and everyone can have a different opinion on what's more important (the football played on the pitch or the competitiveness of the league).... honestly i don't even know what's more important to me
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gerd
Retired Footballer
I honestly don't see any arrogance.
As a Spurs fan who loves both Arsenal and Barcelona i don't see any hate towards Wenger.
And yes Barcelona are better than Man Utd. Barcelona are a dominating team. Man Utd are splendid but they win because of their efficiency...that is being strong, but not the way Barcelona play: very tedhnical artistic football. The match against Chelsea is a very good example: Chelsea had the better part of the play, but Man Utd won. Was it a deserved win? Yes. But i and most neutrals prefer the way Barcelona win, they do this with Ossasuna in a league match, but also with Man Utd in the Cl final...
Edit: of course i see your point ben, and i agree, i just felt the silly need to point out that i like Barcelona and enjoy their football...
As a Spurs fan who loves both Arsenal and Barcelona i don't see any hate towards Wenger.
And yes Barcelona are better than Man Utd. Barcelona are a dominating team. Man Utd are splendid but they win because of their efficiency...that is being strong, but not the way Barcelona play: very tedhnical artistic football. The match against Chelsea is a very good example: Chelsea had the better part of the play, but Man Utd won. Was it a deserved win? Yes. But i and most neutrals prefer the way Barcelona win, they do this with Ossasuna in a league match, but also with Man Utd in the Cl final...
Edit: of course i see your point ben, and i agree, i just felt the silly need to point out that i like Barcelona and enjoy their football...
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annki
Conference
Ohhh!!! Levante 1-0 Real Madrid