FC Barcelona Thread

gerd said:
Of course, that is the same thing Arsenal is doing with lesser clubs...when it's Arsenal (or any other favourite club), it is seen as completely normal and accepted, but if a bigger club comes fishing in your pond and shows intrest in your best player, it becomes outrageous...

I agree with drekkard that a player like Xavi can not easily be replaced. Fabregas is very, very good but not as good as Xavi...after all it is no coïncidence that Fabregas is on the bench for the national team..as much as i like Fabregas (a lot) i agree that Xavi, Iniesta and Xabi Alonso are better...
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I don`t agree at all on that statement... It`s easy winning the race having the fastest vehicle . Fabregas doesn`t have the luxury around him as those other players . Fabregas was instrumental in Europe n WC for Espana! (sorry No ene on phone!) I think Fabregas has warrant his capabilities even though he hasn`t won anything. He is the reason why Arsenal has been in the top 4 for so long. !Yes Xavi is great No doubt and warrants his praises ,but Barca fans will be in shock with What Fabregas brings. What Arsenal planted in Fabs, Barca will reap !

They will say Barca made him better and will steal the Glory ! But Arsenal never got the players to surround Fabregas, due to New Stadium and whatnot . Fabregas did all he could for Arsenal and will be appreciated ,but 1 day . He`ll look back and say I never been loved by any other club as Arsenal.Captaincy at Barca NEVER!
 
Yes and at that time Arsenal were the big team and now Barca are the big team. It's that way in football: dog eat dog, survival of the fittest and (somehow) unfair competition.

To be fair: there are far worse clubs than both Barcelona and Arsenal.
 
So if its wrong for arsenal do it, now all of a sudden its fine for barcelona to do it? two wrongs dont make a rigth and if your against arsenal doing it then you should be against barcelona doing it.

Barcelona are pathetic in this respect. Arsenal may do teh same but they are not arrogant and so bait in doing so.

Barcelona are a fucking joke and wished they stop this bullshit. i will LMAO if fabregas ends up going to real madrid instead.
 
It is as wrong (or right) to do it for Arsenal as for Barcelona Jonney.
You can laugh as much as you like if Cesc ends up with Real Madrid, but basically the result would be the same: he will have left Arsenal. All the rest are sour grapes.
 
Enzo said:
Have you seen what Xavi won in his career so far? EVERYTHING! He should get the golden ball this year..its time to honor the best midfielder in the world.
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You shouldn't award the Ballon d'Or to honour players, it should be performance of that season. We would have legends winning every year rather than players that are doing great!
 
Milanista said:
You shouldn't award the Ballon d'Or to honour players, it should be performance of that season. We would have legends winning every year rather than players that are doing great!
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Totally agreed. That's why I found it fair for Messi to win it last year and will be fair when he wins it next year. The ballon d'or must be to the best performance of the season. Xavi is a top 10 player, but he's got some blackouts this season, specially from january to april. And yet I would give him the silver medal, because as Gerd agrees, he's a different player.

You know Xavi won't loose the ball. And he's got an incredible sense of teamvision and rhythm of play. Something not many players have.

About the Cesc debate, I don't know what's wrong if fans say they would love to sign him. In the Arsenal thread you talk about players that you would like to sign, it's just the same.

I agree that some Barcelona players were too vocal in the past about it. That shouldn't happen. But I don't see why on earth we fans can't say we would like Cesc to sign for us. Would it be different if we talked about someone else?

If Wenger had build a great team around him, I doubt he would want to leave. But things as they have been in the last seasons, it's only natural that at the end he wants to go to a club that gives him better chances of winning trophies. It won't necessarily be Barcelona. Arsenal debate should focus on "why our best player wants to go away". Not where he ends up.
 
drekkard said:
If Wenger had build a great team around him, I doubt he would want to leave. But things as they have been in the last seasons, it's only natural that at the end he wants to go to a club that gives him better chances of winning trophies. It won't necessarily be Barcelona. Arsenal debate should focus on "why our best player wants to go away". Not where he ends up.
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If Messi wanted to leave to MANCity I really doubt the fans would be questioning why is our best player leaving? :CONF: Fabregas would want to leave even if he won 10 trophies. Ronaldo innit. So, that debate to Why our best player is leave can be thrown out . I think Arsenal will try and do is raid the Masia until another fab comes up :LOL:
 
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beboq said:
If Messi wanted to leave to MANCity I really doubt the fans would be questioning why is our best player leaving? :CONF: Fabregas would want to leave even if he won 10 trophies. Ronaldo innit. So, that debate to Why our best player is leave can be thrown out . I think Arsenal will try and do is raid the Masia until another fab comes up :LOL:
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But Arsenal has been doing this without pause! This year new boys have gone to London! It's because at that age Arsenal can offer things that Barcelona can't (nor legally nor economically). It's how things are! And I'm not moaning all the time on why Arsenal pick our youngsters. They are taking benefit of the market, that's all.

About Fabregas, if you really think he wants to go and you can do nothing about it, even if trophies were won, then it's because of Fabregas himself. Then you should be criticizing him as much as criticizing Barcelona, ins't it?

I know some people representing the club (basically some players who happen to be his best friends and some chairman who was interested in making the signing almost impossible to his political opponent) have been acting like spoiled brats and were too vocal on the signing for the last 2 years. And showing disrespect to Arsenal. You can criticize that because it must be criticized. Count on me in this. You can never allow such things.

But when I said "focus on why your best player wants to go out", I say it from our own experience as a club. For years, the best players always went out of Barcelona. Even if they were winning trophies. It was some kind of curse. Whenever a great player arrived and succeeded, he was out some years later for whatever reason, even if he was adored by fans.
 
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Arsenal signed another promising youngster just this Feb/March - Jon Toral. I'd be disappointed with myself if i started feeling anger towards Arsenal for... offering a contract to a player.

Fabregas made his choice. It was HIS decision to leave to have a better shot at Arsenal - so Barca fans should be upset exclusively towards him, not Arsenal (!)... and now he realized he IS good and his best friend [which was in the exact same circumstance at United] found glory and happiness back "home" and... the people actually speak his language over there. His childhood friends are there, a.s.o.

Arsenal fans should, just the same, be upset with his decision to leave. The classless [immature - thinking of Pique] voicing is... a side-dish. Yes, it may be directed towards Arsenal lowering the price, but in the end they should be a serious club with a legal and marketing department and should not be influenced by such things.
 
Enzo said:
Xavi is unbelievable, messi is great and on the road to become greatest legend, but Xavi...

Have you seen what Xavi won in his career so far? EVERYTHING! He should get the golden ball this year..its time to honor the best midfielder in the world.

Bravo Barca!
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Congratulations Pep! Your only mistake so far was selling Eto :(
PS. now we have to get Fabregas, as soon as possible, he is still young and he needs Iniesta and Xavi by his side as mentors, by 27 he will be almost as good as them.
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As much as Messi has all the skill and he is an amazing player, Xavi is by far the player I like watching the most and it's been like that for years.

He orchestrates everything. If it wasn't for him (and others but mainly Xavi imo), Messi wouldn't have the platform to feed off.

Xavi is just my type of player. Constantly keeping the ball moving and dictating play. Absolute legend in my eyes. Great player. Best midfielder by an absolute mile. Nobody comes close to him. Reminds me of me ;)
 
I understand what your saying Drekkard , it`s hard to pin point why players want to leave. Arsenal players don`t let out dirty laundry to make an assumption . Henry left but he loves the club more than the next player. I think players leaving is not a discussion for the fans only because it`s taboo only Helb describe his view about the other side looking greener.

About youth player leaving,... well, only Fabregas was a hit only ,because Wenger put all his energy to develop him. Being in La Masia is NO guarantee . Sometimes players develop after there mid 20`s so other clubs get the better bit of business.Bojan is Not the sharpest youth player ,but he could still be a beast in a few yrs time.
 
I'm only pissed off with the Barca players mouthing off all of the time and also the crappy 30million they are offering for him. The rest doesn't bother me.

Every club has the right to bid for any player and Barca have every right to bid for Cesc....they just need to pay a respectful amount for him and stop pretending it is Arsenal that are scuppering the deal going through. If Barca really wanted him they would pay at least 40million for him even then I would be dissapointed with that, but 30million is a joke.

I said it in the Arsenal thread, there is part of me that wouldn't mind Cesc leaving this summer (as long as we get the right amount for him) as this uncertainty isn't good for the team, as he could leave at any moment. It's not the best attribute to have for a captain of your team.

But he is such a special player, it is a shame.
 
To be fair, Bobby the fee doesn't really matter, whether its 30M, 40M or 50M unless you have a manager that looks to invest that back into the team its pretty pointless.
 
YoungGun_UK said:
To be fair, Bobby the fee doesn't really matter, whether its 30M, 40M or 50M unless you have a manager that looks to invest that back into the team its pretty pointless.
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similar to the c ronaldo deal?

anyways i feel fabregas will stay. he wont leave until he wins a trophy for arsenal. Then he will feel he has accomplish his goals for arsenal and leave gracefully and retire at barcelona.

i honestly believe if we had won the title, he would have left for barcelona for certain.

He did say himself he wants to achieve success here before leaving.

Lets wait and see, the summer transfer window has just started or about to start?
 
YoungGun_UK said:
To be fair, Bobby the fee doesn't really matter, whether its 30M, 40M or 50M unless you have a manager that looks to invest that back into the team its pretty pointless.
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Of course it matters! we should get what he is worth in the current climate. doesn't matter about anything else. We will see what is spent this summer.
 
PU6HY said:
As much as Messi has all the skill and he is an amazing player, Xavi is by far the player I like watching the most and it's been like that for years.

He orchestrates everything. If it wasn't for him (and others but mainly Xavi imo), Messi wouldn't have the platform to feed off.

Xavi is just my type of player. Constantly keeping the ball moving and dictating play. Absolute legend in my eyes. Great player. Best midfielder by an absolute mile. Nobody comes close to him. Reminds me of me ;)
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Well when Xavi and Iniesta were injured last season Messi still created and scored. His passing is underrated.
 
I don't think so. Most people are aware of it. It's so in my neighbourhood (even some lameos), at least. :)
 
Yeah I think most people are aware of Messi's passing abilities.

So either Alexis Sanchez or Rossi are most likely to join Barcelona although Sanchez seems close to Inter. Both valued at 30 mill. Any idea on how will this work seeing cutting into the starting eleven would be very hard?
 
Next season will be extremely hard, and we don't have bench depth. We need Rossi, Cesc and Sanchez, and probably another CB. At the very least. We will have to play 70+ matches during the season and tin 2010-2011 we were extremely lucky with injuries. We have to play the supercup and maybe the fifa world cup of clubs. And there are players that clearly need a little more rest.

Look how the team played vs Manchester when they could rest for 2 weeks. They accumulate a lot of fatigue, so we need a lot more bench depth. We need at least 3 great players to strengthen our lines. Pedro and Villa need a decent replacement. Maybe Sanchez won't come because of Inter spending more than us on him, but we need someone who can dribble in the sideline and score. I think Rossi and Alexis are precisely the players we need there. And with all them, Messi could rest a little more now and then. He needs it.

Pedro and Villa will be rotating a lot more in the squad. The players that will have it even tougher will be Afellay and Thiago. But Thiago can go on loan or even be sold if Cesc arrives. Not that I like Thiago going away, but he's still 1-2 years from reaching his true potential.

They talked about Thiago Silva as a CB, but I doubt Milan would sell him and it would be very expensive, so I think it's the usual journalist speculation.
 
Vertonghen is great as CB and DMF, but can also play LB and LMF.

I just saw the blach away kit for next season: awesome (the home shirt is ugly).
 
gerd said:
Vertonghen is great as CB and DMF, but can also play LB and LMF.

I just saw the blach away kit for next season: awesome (the home shirt is ugly).
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Arsenal are in for him if Wenger can get the money together....

Re Messi certainly reading articles here and general opinion seems to be Messi is to a degree special soley because of the familiar system he has grown up in at Barca.

The argument used is that he is barely effective for Argentina while ignoring the root cause of that are dreadful coaches because the decent ones won't touch the post and ignoring Messi's efforts in recent internationals ie v Spain, Brazil, France and Portugual. Not a bad list.
 
Cmon no one actually believes that, we all know he's ridiculously good but their is a slight truth to the fact that without Iniesta and Xavi (two of the best in the world in their own right) he would probably be performing at a lower level than he is.
 
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