eFootball PES 2021 Discussion Thread (CONSOLES)

Ameppe said:
Ok, this is Superstar difficulty

Look at how much space Fred is given to run until the edge of penalty area just because every other player just follows his role and doesn't even try to stop him

There is Ozil that just stands there since defending is not his role and watches Fred go even if he could try to press him and steal the ball.


Here at 11:07 Bruno Fernandes, making his run to attack thinks "oh the ball is a bit too far, i can't reach it", "oh damn, the opponent team took the ball let's rush back even if i could try to press and steal the ball"


Just a couple of examples to show that AI wrong behaviour is very frequent even at high difficulty levels and how much roles and tactics override the contextual AI
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Looks indistinguishable from 2020 to me. Same CPU attack patterns, same boring keepers, same general movement problems you underlined.

Not that it's any surprising since it's what they said themselves :D
 
Ameppe said:
That's the one, now you can't go online just because servers are still closed. Next one will be in October 22nd.
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Really? I thought at least some of the summer transfers would be included? Maybe a good thing as a few months of work may still to be included in the 22nd oct patch 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Upthedons said:
Really? I thought at least some of the summer transfers would be included? Maybe a good thing as a few months of work may still to be included in the 22nd oct patch 🤷🏻‍♂️
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They do some transfers every week, it's the live update, but that's not a patch, they don't tweak the game, just the database.
 
That same kind of nonexistent AI awareness happens for your teammates which ruins online play as well, you can try to bastardize your formation/tactics enough to have some kind of midfield to pass through (by doing counter-intuitive things like setting a CAM to "Defensive"), but even then you only have the 4 tactical slots. Even in full manual games online, a slightly competent player can get to the final third by constantly being presented a simple pass to a player in yards of space or simply 30 yards ahead of them to run into unopposed with pretty much nothing you can do about it.

You can't even switch player as reliably and with as much instant control (even if it does defy physics) to correct the AI player's positioning/direction like in the other game. It's something like; switch-super cancel-R2 to face the ball-switch-super cancel... Just a clusterfuck of inputs to simply instruct players to perform the simplest of tasks to cover/pressure/shadow and the more "realistic" player physics just compound the problems with the AI as you can't correct them as easily/quickly.

For this reason, in 18 and 19 the only mode I enjoyed was the online co-op as at least there was as little as this dumb AI influencing the game (at least your own team) as possible. The final straw making even that unplayable in 20 was the lack of fouls. Players like this constantly sprinting at you from behind, barging you off the ball with no foul.
 
@Ameppe i watched the ML videos you posted and the Superstar match. May i ask, why all games have still the purple scoreboards and adboards? And in ML both the ICC and the EPL had same score board. Is n't supposed that every comptetion will have different custom scoreboards?
 
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Ameppe said:
Ok, this is Superstar difficulty

Look at how much space Fred is given to run until the edge of penalty area just because every other player just follows his role and doesn't even try to stop him

There is Ozil that just stands there since defending is not his role and watches Fred go even if he could try to press him and steal the ball.


Here at 11:07 Bruno Fernandes, making his run to attack thinks "oh the ball is a bit too far, i can't reach it", "oh damn, the opponent team took the ball let's rush back even if i could try to press and steal the ball"


Just a couple of examples to show that AI wrong behaviour is very frequent even at high difficulty levels and how much roles and tactics override the contextual AI
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Really..your examples are laughable..He’s not even involved in play 11.07...and I don’t see that behaviour as abnormal..

There’s so much improvement here,players snapping on to through balls,general reaction and speed..I could highlight atleast ten things in that video that are amazing..Players holding up the ball turning into players,while others make advancing runs..Even the cpu AI..FOULS!..The transition of the animations..

Then we have people claiming they have the game and it’s the same..No photos,no captures even though there on PS4..😂

Honestly..you guys sometimes😉..The video I put up last night of two South American sides shows how much the games been polished even via a AIvsAI game.

So many of us FUMA players must be so wrong and all the thousands of players out there that stuck with vanilla or turned the base of the pc game into something superior..

I remember my love of pes13 and how at the time barely anybody had any love for it..How times change😉.
 
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If the player at the bottom carries on running full speed and just turns left slightly, he gets to that ball every time... But no, he slows down, stops and retreats back because the game decided he's "not in possession" so just goes back to following the defensive position of his RWF role or whatever it was.
 
Chris Davies said:
Have you put any captures up? I haven't seen any, I've been looking out for gameplay videos!
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I’m playing 21 on the X..I know it captures 10 minutes but compared to uploading via a PS4 to YouTube

I would have it on PS4 but as I’m not going to patch its pointless.Plus imo the X version of 20 was superior to the PS4 pro..

I’ve told everyone my thoughts and I could be more in depth..But it’s fruitless...It will only cause a barrage of childish posts.

I’ve already said it’s improved..My words and posts will be confirmed in the next few days.
 
StrangelyEnough said:
I’m playing 21 on the X..I know it captures 10 minutes but compared to uploading via a PS4 to YouTube

I would have it on PS4 but as I’m not going to patch its pointless.Plus imo the X version of 20 was superior to the PS4 pro..

I’ve told everyone my thoughts and I could be more in depth..But it’s fruitless...It will only cause a barrage of childish posts.

I’ve already said it’s improved..My words and posts will be confirmed in the next few days.
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I have played about 10 games so far of pes21 and couldn't be sure if it is any diffetent to pes20 and played about 1000 games on that.
 
Upthedons said:
Sorry never done that before? but if it is proof you are after View attachment 58423
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Just press the capture button before you want to start recording and return to the game...Keep the gameplay in its default state(don’t patch)..

If you have a YouTube account it’s easy.As you can directly upload..If not you have to set one up.😀

I believe you have the game..although i haven’t tried it patched..
 
StrangelyEnough said:
Just press the capture button before you want to start recording and return to the game...Keep the gameplay in its default state(don’t patch)..

If you have a YouTube account it’s easy.As you can directly upload..If not you have to set one up.😀

I believe you have the game..although o haven’t tried it patched..
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Sorry too old school for that lol but i could upload a mobile video of anything i see diffetent to pes20 👍🏻
 
StrangelyEnough said:
I’m playing 21 on the X..I know it captures 10 minutes but compared to uploading via a PS4 to YouTube

I would have it on PS4 but as I’m not going to patch its pointless.Plus imo the X version of 20 was superior to the PS4 pro..

I’ve told everyone my thoughts and I could be more in depth..But it’s fruitless...It will only cause a barrage of childish posts.

I’ve already said it’s improved..My words and posts will be confirmed in the next few days.
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Are you willing to answer specific questions? I'm genuinely interested, more so than actually playing the game as the prospect ofa new pes somehow still casts a spell over me...

1. Is PA 1 any more free, or feel free.
2. Is teammate AI better? Can you do more exciting attacking moves?

Cheers
 
FShas said:
Are you willing to answer specific questions? I'm genuinely interested, more so than actually playing the game as the prospect ofa new pes somehow still casts a spell over me...

1. Is PA 1 any more free, or feel free.
2. Is teammate AI better? Can you do more exciting attacking moves?

Cheers
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No difference imo so far to pes20 but still early days i grave a change for the better but want to be sure and not drawn into any placebo debates. I played a season with sporting lisbon in pes20 not long ago so i will check them out later and compare. I did play as roma earlier on pes21 and had a good game v lazio with better players showing glimpses of things i am not used to (touches and traits rather than movement or runs) as i tend to go teams 4 star or less
 
I'd like to know if the foul sensitivity has been improved? It seems that on 2020, Even when you have the right to make a challenge on someone while they're attacking in the final 3rd, The referee has this stance of "how dare you entertain the idea of trying to challenge thy opposition - Yellow card for you!"

I mean, C'mon i'm not mindlessly tapping X over and over, I'm timing my tackle as best as i can it seems any part of your strip makes contact with the opposition, It's like i'm making a disgrace of the sport!
 
Chris Davies said:
Are you going to upload anything?

Why does he have to prove his opinion, but you don't have to prove yours?
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He doesn’t..I believe he has the game..

None of this matters..Tomorrow a lot more people will have the game..There’s no point to prove or argument.

Those who love vanilla pes20 will love the upgrade..and I can’t comment on the patch because I’ve only keeped the game at default(for now).

I will go on record as saying I think the gameplay is brilliant..little things make a big diffrence😉
 
FShas said:
Are you willing to answer specific questions? I'm genuinely interested, more so than actually playing the game as the prospect ofa new pes somehow still casts a spell over me...

1. Is PA 1 any more free, or feel free.
2. Is teammate AI better? Can you do more exciting attacking moves?

Cheers
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Yes,yes and yes...on unassited..I haven’t tested pa1..Not my bag sorry!(for me anything above no assistance is to automated(don’t want to sound elitist).
 
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