eFootball (All Platforms)

I’d like to play this on Switch 2 but I’m not paying for so little content, hopefully they will update it with Master League but not confident about that, maybe they just rushed it out for World Cup but I’m not confident about that either.

Such a weird release with barely anything to do in it, I always thought Japanese devs had some sense of pride in their work.
 
el niche said:
I was about to download on xbox and read this.
is the tournament mode of the world cup an actual tournament you can play with a team from group stage to final?with all real players? or is there a catch?
I like eF about a year ago but ended unisntalling due to no offline modes (well I was doing kinda of a league), but watching the WC Im kinda wanting to play again
Will the WC mode end once the real tournament ends?
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Only played one game in this mode yet, the thing is that is is again stuck in the online framework, so you get rewards and the game "searches for opponent" and stupid sh*t like that, then of course you can't set the game speed because it's actually an online mode although it isn't. It's just modern eFootball shenanigans. Haven't played enough to see if it has a "set points minimum to advance from group" nonsense they have done before. I think I'm likely to have a couple of goes at it though.
 
Isslander said:
Only played one game in this mode yet, the thing is that is is again stuck in the online framework, so you get rewards and the game "searches for opponent" and stupid sh*t like that, then of course you can't set the game speed because it's actually an online mode although it isn't. It's just modern eFootball shenanigans. Haven't played enough to see if it has a "set points minimum to advance from group" nonsense they have done before. I think I'm likely to have a couple of goes at it though.
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Thanks, if you do get some games in, let me know your thoughts on gameplay, I quite enjoyed it a year ago but the lack of progression (offline modes) made it become kinda boring, but I remember gameplay was fun for me. Wonder if anything has improved/worsened.
 
A.I in Kick Off is probably neck to neck with PES 2008 on PS2. On World Class level it feels like playing another human. When you press your opponent they resort to passing back to their keeper....never seen this before..like a long retraction back to the keeper....AI is miles ahead of PES 21. playing on semi assist cursor -1 gamespeed is a beauty
 
VHSlasher said:
A.I in Kick Off is probably neck to neck with PES 2008 on PS2. On World Class level it feels like playing another human. When you press your opponent they resort to passing back to their keeper....never seen this before..like a long retraction back to the keeper....AI is miles ahead of PES 21. playing on semi assist cursor -1 gamespeed is a beauty
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Big disagree (all about opinions, aye).

2008 AI is smart, there is a midfield battle. Kick Off AI is difficult (only on World Class) as it seems laser guided to equalise from kick off (maybe that’s why they named the game as such!). Three passes, goal.

I’ve mentioned in the Retro PES thread how I enjoy losing on 2008. On Kick Off it feels predetermined (like EFootball in general).

That said having looked at ISS, ISS 98 and ISS 2000 on N64 (all wonderful classics), Kick Off feels the successor to that, rather than PES. It just lacks that touch of magic and TLC, leaving a slightly bitter aftertaste as much as I try to like it.
 
VHSlasher said:
A.I in Kick Off is probably neck to neck with PES 2008 on PS2. On World Class level it feels like playing another human. When you press your opponent they resort to passing back to their keeper....never seen this before..like a long retraction back to the keeper....
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My efootball Kick Off! but... on PC...
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my game-play port taken from ‘eFootball v5.5.1’, combined with the game-play port taken from the PS2 files of ‘PES 2008’
(Game-play TEST for FL2026/PES2021 PC)
 
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tikijaka said:
Big disagree (all about opinions, aye).

2008 AI is smart, there is a midfield battle. Kick Off AI is difficult (only on World Class) as it seems laser guided to equalise from kick off (maybe that’s why they named the game as such!). Three passes, goal.

I’ve mentioned in the Retro PES thread how I enjoy losing on 2008. On Kick Off it feels predetermined (like EFootball in general).

That said having looked at ISS, ISS 98 and ISS 2000 on N64 (all wonderful classics), Kick Off feels the successor to that, rather than PES. It just lacks that touch of magic and TLC, leaving a slightly bitter aftertaste as much as I try to like it.
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yeh completely agree. things got stale really fast, I don't rate it highly at all. I like your comment about being a successor to ISS. The arcade nature really links back to that, it's a quick pick-up and play experience that's fun, but not for long.
 
PSMember79 said:
yeh completely agree. things got stale really fast, I don't rate it highly at all. I like your comment about being a successor to ISS. The arcade nature really links back to that, it's a quick pick-up and play experience that's fun, but not for long.
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So is PES 21 a fun game to play and for long ?
 
VHSlasher said:
So is PES 21 a fun game to play and for long ?
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Absolutely, people are playing it 5 years after release. The vast array of different gameplay mods that have been released and continue to be released will keep it going for many more years to come. It took me a few years to find the one for me, but very happy I finally did.

For me eFootball Kick Off is a different feel to the PS5 version, and I prefer the PS5 version. Kick off is a really nice enjoyable experience, but as has been mentioned here, more for a good time than a long time.

Again as we discussed, appreciate others will find exactly what they're looking for in it, I'm only sharing my thoughts.
 
PSMember79 said:
Absolutely, people are playing it 5 years after release. The vast array of different gameplay mods that have been released and continue to be released will keep it going for many more years to come. It took me a few years to find the one for me, but very happy I finally did.

For me eFootball Kick Off is a different feel to the PS5 version, and I prefer the PS5 version. Kick off is a really nice enjoyable experience, but as has been mentioned here, more for a good time than a long time.

Again as we discussed, appreciate others will find exactly what they're looking for in it, I'm only sharing my thoughts.
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Do do you play FIFA 16?
 
Fadeinfadeout said:
That's right, there are two plain kits—just black and white—though they do have some pretty nice numbers on the back. They might be a good option for now, but I wonder if this is part of a future strategy for the team.
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These two kits are just there so you can always avoid kit clashes. They certainly won't allow custom kits.
 
Just a random thought for a Friday. Would be really cool if Konami (of any other developer) really embraced the modding community like devs have done with WWE games and also Rockstar with GTA online.

Rockstar understood GTA RP was good for them and allowed modding so long as people owned the game to play. Obviously the WWE games have always had a huge editing suite and community and 2K have really embraced that since taking over.

I think if Konami did something similar it would be a huge differentiator for them.

I know it would be a lot of work and it's not something i think they'd ever do but just thinking out loud!
 
Bravez said:
Just a random thought for a Friday. Would be really cool if Konami (of any other developer) really embraced the modding community like devs have done with WWE games and also Rockstar with GTA online.

Rockstar understood GTA RP was good for them and allowed modding so long as people owned the game to play. Obviously the WWE games have always had a huge editing suite and community and 2K have really embraced that since taking over.

I think if Konami did something similar it would be a huge differentiator for them.

I know it would be a lot of work and it's not something i think they'd ever do but just thinking out loud!
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Won't happen. Konami would get sued quicker than you can say "Bundesliga". Football licensors are very protective of their brands. So even if Konami wanted to do it they couldn't.
 
Jay-Jay 10 said:
Won't happen. Konami would get sued quicker than you can say "Bundesliga". Football licensors are very protective of their brands. So even if Konami wanted to do it they couldn't.
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Well yeah, I said it wouldn't 😂

But I don't get that license angle. I can't imagine football clubs/FAs etc are more stringent than companies like marvel or whatever other creations you cna find in WWE. I don't know if that's just a cop out. It's user generated content using in game tools, potentially they make it so it can't be shared but as long as they're not actively promoting licensed content I can't see how it would breach any sort of license agreement.
 
Bravez said:
Well yeah, I said it wouldn't 😂

But I don't get that license angle. I can't imagine football clubs/FAs etc are more stringent than companies like marvel or whatever other creations you cna find in WWE. I don't know if that's just a cop out. It's user generated content using in game tools, potentially they make it so it can't be shared but as long as they're not actively promoting licensed content I can't see how it would breach any sort of license agreement.
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They are, Bundesliga has send letters to indie developers that just named teams Munich and Frankfurt and had fake player names.
 
Bravez said:
Well yeah, I said it wouldn't 😂

But I don't get that license angle. I can't imagine football clubs/FAs etc are more stringent than companies like marvel or whatever other creations you cna find in WWE.
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It’s a bit of an obsession of his. He repeat that from mounths Just forget about it… I’ve been playing PES for 21 years without to never hear any legal issues regarding licences or anything for modding of the sort ever arising… but he’s a lawyer at FIFA’s law firm and he knows it… he’s been going on about the same thing for months… just let him carry on believing that… If it makes him happy…
He’s pretending not to realise that the world runs on commercial deals and big money, and that Konami has realised it makes more money the way things are now rather than allowing various options that are useful to modders but less so to those looking to make a profit controlling all the parts of the game they want

Jay-Jay 10 said:
They are, Bundesliga has send letters to indie developers that just named teams Munich and Frankfurt and had fake player names.
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It’s only to be the normality, really, if these developers hadn’t paid for the licences to sell them through a commercial game… you’re mixing the arguments a bit
 
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Jay-Jay 10 said:
No idea why you are going into personal attacks. I am out.
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If you feel attacked, it’s because you’ve been saying the same things about this issue for months, like a broken record, but in reality it’s been explained to you several times that licences have little to do with what you’re saying… Don’t take offence – I’m sure you’re the nicest bloke in the world; I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. I'm sorry for that ;)
 
Well believe what you want honestly. I work close on the topic (and no not Fifas lawyer) and know what is the truth, if you don't want to believe it all good from my side.
 
Jay-Jay 10 said:
Well believe what you want honestly. I work close on the topic (and no not Fifas lawyer) and know what is the truth, if you don't want to believe it all good from my side.
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The fact that you say you work closely with the argument means nothing unless you provide evidence of what you said… if these are just your legal opinions, they’re just in your head… as I said, you’re confusing the world of modders (no licence trading) with the world of developers… And nothing has ever happened since I’ve been playing PES regarding legal issues with modders of kits, names, etc… I can’t imagine law firms going after people (modders and players) just because they change the name of a team provided by Konami (with unlicensed fictitious, made-up name or kit) in their save file from an unlicensed name to the real one or a real ki made by modders

Instead of playing the offended and saying you’re leaving, or always responding in a defensive tone that I should believe whatever I want because you work closely with certain circles, you should be able to argue the point properly and not confuse or mix up the situations. If you make a case on the matter and give reasons backed up by evidence, then I might well listen to you. If you just act offended, though, what on earth are we on about?
 
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I never said they will go against players or modders. My argument is about an implementation like WWE has: offering downloadable mods in game. And that would make the company liable and get them into trouble that allows it in their game. And that is why developers won't do this for football games, since those brands are known to sue.

I provided proof in the past, why for example EA designs the jerseys of Milan how they do.

but we discussed that before and I am not interested in spinning in circles again. You don't want to believe me and that is fine by me.
 
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Jay-Jay 10 said:
They are, Bundesliga has send letters to indie developers that just named teams Munich and Frankfurt and had fake player names.
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But they wouldn't create any fake bundesliga teams? They'd have a totally blank league and people would create their own teams. They might or might not end up being identical to real teams but Konami would have no idea about that, nor acknowledge it and probably have some sort of notice to say not to create licensed images. From what I understand, as long as the publisher doesn't market the tool with the intention of creating real teams, there's very little that can be done.

Edit: PGA 2k is a great example. Augusta are incredibly strict on licensing of their course. As soon as one is shared, it's taken down but there's nothing preventing people creating it themselves, because the tools allow for that. Of course creating a golf course in their editor is extremely difficult compared to creating kits, boots, balls, trophies, stadia but the precedent remains.
 
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Bravez said:
But they wouldn't create any fake bundesliga teams? They'd have a totally blank league and people would create their own teams. They might or might not end up being identical to real teams but Konami would have no idea about that, nor acknowledge it and probably have some sort of notice to say not to create licensed images. From what I understand, as long as the publisher doesn't market the tool with the intention of creating real teams, there's very little that can be done.
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The problem becomes when it becomes downloadable in game. Having a tool where you can create yourself is not necessarily the problem but even that in 2026 can be if you edit teams.

And sadly the note saying: "don't create real images" doesn't necessarily cover you everywhere.

There is a reason why for example Football manager while allowing modding, doesn't have it directly downloadable in game.

And especially football licensing is very rigourous and clubs, FIFA and the football organizations are way more vicious.

Also yes you can say: "this is a tool to create your friends in our game"

If that really holds up in court is not a given. Because everyone knows what it really is: a way to circumvent you paying for the license.

The counter argument to your note would be: "Why then is licensed content available for download on your platform? Why are you not moderating it and banning users who are creating licensed content and delete the content if you say it is against your guidelines?"

It is very weak footing to stand on. And don't forget you might not only face clubs but also other publishers/developers who actually pay for the license.
Legally it is just way to risky with how football licensing is nowadays, to officially offer a feature like that in your football game.

The easiest example is the current World Cup in FC 26. EA has multiple fully non licensed teams in it with fake players. Now why haven't they made them editable? If it was legally risk free, that would have been an easy win to stick it to the nations who didn't want to license with them?

Publishers and companies are nowadays very risk averse regarding legal factors, so I wouldn't expect any of the bigger football games to go into a downloadable edits space.

Yes there are ways that games allow you to do it. For my national team example you just can create players and then add them to that national team. So there will be ways to do parts of it. But downloadable I don't see ever happening again.

and I found Konamis statement regarding editing interesting, because it clearly sounded like: we got letters from licensors and our legal team told us, don't allow editing again.
 
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Bravez said:
Well yeah, I said don't make it shareable. Clearly that would be an issue.
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And that is where it still becomes an interesting question legally. Maybe it can be fine depending on how you do it. But it will still depend on multiple factors and still won't guarantee you will not hear from lawyers and get into legal discussions.
And the rule also is the bigger the game/company that would allow it in their game, the more likely for the big football licensors wanting to get a piece of the cake. It is basically a walk on eggshells.
 
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