eFootball (All Platforms)
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Head Konami Person: "Which fool started a new project in this here game engine and forgot to change the default placeholder name? They didnt even finish it!!"
Random Worker: "It....it was you....m..my liege...."
Head Konami Person:
-----The Next Day-----
Head Konami Person: Welcome everyone to our brand new experience, New Football Game!! I hope this whets your appetite!! 😏
Random Worker: "It....it was you....m..my liege...."
Head Konami Person:
-----The Next Day-----
Head Konami Person: Welcome everyone to our brand new experience, New Football Game!! I hope this whets your appetite!! 😏
h3li0
League 1
- 13 August 2008
This is obviously not the final result. It will get better, or at least more polished. The problem is this is going to be the base of it, and even in the rough state that this build is, should be miles better and different from what we have on PES 20 and 21, but its not. 2 years are plenty of time to get at least foundations that could tell us that this as the potential to become PES once again, but at least in my opinion from what i have played, its not, it has the same problems, errors, even the mechanics looks exactly the same. The first PES on PS2 was not that polished too, but the foundation was good, which kept getting better and better until we reached PES5 and 6
janguv
Premier League
- 2 November 2016
Hi Alan,
That's a ridiculous point.
What I'm arguing for is really a compromise position, and isn't exaggerating anything.
Oh really, that's what they're doing? So to gauge how many people are interested in playing the next PES sequel, they don't extrapolate from current playing figures, or recent historical figures, and instead they quietly release a game that doesn't have the PES branding and everybody is confused about whether or not it's even the next PES. Yup, sure sounds like a great way to gauge future interest!
That's a ridiculous point.
Ah, the classic ITK Alan! Any other insider tidbits you can share?
None of this contradicts what I've said this whole time: they've probably borrowed bits from the mobile game here and there for this, but it's not a "mobile port" as people have said, and likely does represent a very basic version of the gameplay base going forward.
What is exaggerating about what, exactly? All I've said about this is that the line people are saying "it's just a performance test, it has nothing to do with the next PES, it's just the mobile game" etc etc. – this line is bollocks and clearly not thought through. This is an early or pared down version of the next PES. We can't really evaluate it as the next PES, but we can at least glean some insights into what the next game might be like and what the development priorities might be, on the basis of this.
What I'm arguing for is really a compromise position, and isn't exaggerating anything.
janguv
Premier League
- 2 November 2016
Okay, but it might help you make less of an arse out yourself if you did read what other people had written first, before launching into them. I understand there's loads of posts and it's hard to catch up. Perhaps all the more reason not to imply people are idiots for thinking this Konami-released new football game might have a lot to do with the next PES.
Where to start with all this? So passive aggressive. Others have already adequately responded to you on the technical matters, and better than I could, so I won't go there again.This
I think Janguv is what we (in the Netherlands) call a Hollander. Someone with a big mouth, but he knows nothing (about the topic)..
You can test online servers with PONG, only to see what the servers do when its crowded.
So Konami can use PES 2022 for mobile(in alpha state) to see what the servers do when lots of players play the game on same time. Is there lag, can people find opponents easily.
I thought the game was 8GB to download. Then you already know this is not the real deal. PES 2021 is already 34 GB (on PC, on PS5 and Xbox i don't know)..
Thats explains the Survye either. Then they ask the players about their opinion of PES 2022 on mobile, but the players think it is for next gen
Mabye you should read this topic to understand why people think its nothing to do with PES 2022. First of all: Why Konami did't call it "PES 2022 demo, or PES 2022 online testing"? There should be a bell ringing... Mabye they know this alpha game is rubbish, and thats why they call it "new football project". But there was in December 2020 another game that came out beta testing, its called "new football project" for Android. Its looks the same. There should ringing a bell twice.
So instead of making fun of people with another opinion, you should do some research yourself. Search Google, "new football project" then you find some video on YT.
I saw yesterday a video of TTB, he thinks "mabye Konami change the name of PES into something else". That could explain the "new football project" either.
Re your "new football project" point – it proves nothing. So Konami used a placeholder name for new IP in the past. What does that show or imply about this placeholder name? Really, at bottom, nothing.
Re your last point about TTB – yes, I made the same point earlier in this thread. I think the reason behind "new football game" as a a title for the online performance test is because there's an imminent branding change coming (it's been coming a long while), and so this vague name need not be further "evidence" that the game isn't anything to do with the sequel to PES 2021. You can't have it both ways, incidentally. Either the name is different because it's a placeholder for something which isn't the next main game, whatever it's called (the point you've been driving up till now) or it's different because they're rebranding the sequel to the current PES game.
Going for arcady route in Pes 2015 is one of the biggest mistake they have ever made.
Pes 2016 = Pes 2015 version 2
Pes 2017 = Pes 2015 version 3
Pes 2018 = Pes 2015 version 4
Pes 2019 = Pes 2015 version 5
Pes 2020 = Pes 2015 version 6
Pes 2021 = Pes 2015 version 7
Pes 2022 = most likely Pes 2015 version 8
The gameplay feels on rail ever since.
Pes 2016 = Pes 2015 version 2
Pes 2017 = Pes 2015 version 3
Pes 2018 = Pes 2015 version 4
Pes 2019 = Pes 2015 version 5
Pes 2020 = Pes 2015 version 6
Pes 2021 = Pes 2015 version 7
Pes 2022 = most likely Pes 2015 version 8
The gameplay feels on rail ever since.
Der_krad
Non-League
- 24 June 2017
People think that this is a an absolute marketing disaster and a total lack of competence on Konami's part (and understandably so), but I genuinely believe that the real reason they did this is to massively lower our expectations so we welcome with open arms the much improved version of that "awful mess" you mentioned; because instead of comparing it to whatever next-gen miracle of a game we fantasized about, we will all be relieved to think that: "Hey, at least it's not as bad as the "insert new football game name here" meme they showcased!"
Perhaps I'm giving these bunch of helpless nincompoops too much credit, but my spidey-sense is telling me there's something really fishy going on here...
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MNJplayshappily
Conference
- 20 March 2021
Random Worker: THAT'S WHY WE ALL SAY INDECISION IS FATAL!!!Head Konami Person: "Which fool started a new project in this here game engine and forgot to change the default placeholder name? They didnt even finish it!!"
Random Worker: "It....it was you....m..my liege...."
Head Konami Person:
-----The Next Day-----
Head Konami Person: Welcome everyone to our brand new experience, New Football Game!! I hope this whets your appetite!! 😏
😂
janguv
Premier League
- 2 November 2016
Oh wow, you guys had to deal with this mug too? He was on my league forum for a bit, just posting videos of his "total football" (was mostly at least PA1 passing in triangles with 11s sides)... I lightly poked fun at it and he got very defensive very quickly.hahhahahah...mods/admins excuse me for this, but our good ol'friend hit again!! (banned user ScotXXXXsomething aka EnterpreunerDJXAJJAJ)
Seems like evoweb except for "elitists" are now also "Egotistic "veterans" who think Konami owe them something 😂"
PS: @rockstrongo please update your signature mate!!!
I've scrolled down that Reddit thread and wow.. he's clearly got a bee in his bonnet about EvoWeb. Incredibly bitter stuff... He also says thi: "Faith in Konami as always, PES2022 will revolutionize what a football game is. 👌"
I mean, that's just so far gone..!
I would characterise it less as laughing and more as crying. Maybe the occasional chuckle among the tears, but it's pain really, at the end of the day. Pain, sadness, despair.
Constructive comment there, bud.
It's funny how certain people are very keen to portray the anxieties of those who played the beta and didn't like the gameplay as "raging" or behaving like children. Really, almost all of those who have misgivings about the gameplay, here, have expressed it by acknowledging: it will probably improve in the final release, but given Konami's track record, and given this shambolic affair, it doesn't inspire confidence, and it's sad to see that happen.
Have heard this perspective a few times. I've never worked in a marketing department (I honestly think it would be a personalised version of hell to me), but is this really the sort of thing a company would do to market their product? I.e., intentionally bring down expectations of the customer-base by making people think the product/service is going to be total shite and then surprising them?People think that this is a an absolute marketing disaster and a total lack of competence on Konami's part (and understandably so), but I genuinely believe that the real reason they did this is to massively lower our expectations so we welcome with open arms the much improved version of that "awful mess" you mentioned; because instead of comparing it to whatever next-gen miracle of a game we fantasized about, we will all be relieved to think that: "Hey, at least it's not as bad as the "insert new football game name here" meme they showcased!"
Perhaps I'm giving these bunch of helpless nincompoops too much credit, but my spidey-sense is telling me there's something really fishy going on here...
It just seems incomprehensible to me, frankly!
FWIW, I don't think this messy beta release will harm them in the slightest, because most people don't know about it. It alienates the fans, but they're used to it. People will judge the game and buy it after playing the demo, first and foremost. And it's not even unit sales that they're really targeting in the long run, but predatory microtransaction sales.
Desox
Non-League
- 7 August 2019
- Peñarol
Wow someone's really aggressive on dissenting views. 
Can't have a differing opinion even if argumented, else he gonna deconstruct your answer like an expert in game development and deployment.
Can't have a differing opinion even if argumented, else he gonna deconstruct your answer like an expert in game development and deployment.
Der_krad
Non-League
- 24 June 2017
Yes? I mean, we also need to account for the fact they made too bold of a statement just to release something so clearly undeveloped, so there has to be a reason for all of this..
IMO, what this pre-alpha helped them achieve is to get the ball rolling, to make sure people talk about it: while some will set their expectations very high regardless, some will do the stark opposite; debates arise, discussions are formed and opinions are born, all of this to give traction to the actual announcement, and subsequently (and for their sake, not ours) shock the fans with what presumably is the best pes game in a decade.
So it's a win-win situation for them when looking at it from this angle, but still, it's quite an odd way to go about things IMO.
Let us hope come 7/21 we get a good look at pes 22, not only seeing Messi hair and or Messi dribbling and shooting from up close.
Hopefully a look at the different modes and updates to ML and others.. not only online superstar mode (my club)
This may sound silly but i have no real reason to buy a PS5 as of now, im hoping pes 22 will be the reason for me to buy it
Hopefully a look at the different modes and updates to ML and others.. not only online superstar mode (my club)
This may sound silly but i have no real reason to buy a PS5 as of now, im hoping pes 22 will be the reason for me to buy it
Thespeedster84
Champions League
- 4 October 2010
That new football game is very likely an unfinished PES 2022.
I have preordered mine for this, coming september to my desk hopefully.
Peter Withe
It must be. It is! Peter Withe!
- 10 August 2018
No one is raging. Everyone here is having a measured and calm debate from what I can gather.
What’s so ‘cringey’ about that?
After all I think PES 2022 (or whatever it will be called) are going to be a ok game. Not unlike the last 5 or 6 games before it. There will be good parts and there will be (really) bad parts. Nothing more, nothing less.
The only difference this time is that we we're expecting something completely fresh and new.
Also, myself and a lot you guys on this forum for example need to accept that we are not the target audience at all anymore. They are clearly aiming to be a e-sport game rather than a football game and like stated before; we just have to adapt or jump the ship.
The only difference this time is that we we're expecting something completely fresh and new.
Also, myself and a lot you guys on this forum for example need to accept that we are not the target audience at all anymore. They are clearly aiming to be a e-sport game rather than a football game and like stated before; we just have to adapt or jump the ship.
Dr Force
Golden Boot Winner
100% correct.
I think what dumbfounds us all is what they eventually showcase as a finish product that’s had 3 years work? Now we have not seen this yet but the alpha/beta/mobile/stress testing/port/matchmaking abomination that clearly forms the basis of the game suggests it’s taken 3 years to have a few more animations, pre match cut scenes a ball boy chucking the ball back the odd tweak to shooting etc…..
I would expect after such a long development time a fresh and new experience but, alas, it is not heading that way and this is the most disappointing thing. It tells me that the authentic football experience we crave for is not the way forward, it’s the unseen content that costs more money that holds the future for these type of games. That’s no longer aimed at me or my piers and that’s very sad to see in a hobby I used to love.
normazimuth
League 1
- 18 May 2013
Is it that konami jesus guy that was on here last year telling us that PES21 was football perfection?
If the final gameplay isn't vastly improved from this beta, I think I'm looking forward more to the reactions of these guys rather than the game itself. I mean, will they try to claim a polished version of this beta is a revolution, when most are already admitting that it's garbage because they're claiming it must be some sort of demo of a mobile port, nothing to do with the real PES22.
I gave it another go last night and realised what the floaty/woolly ball "physics" reminded me of - FIFA.
This is gonna take a a lot of polish to even get it to PES21 level. I see no signs of revolution in this beta, just a couple of new controls that could easily have been added to PES21 on Fox engine.
༺Ƥeຮ༻
Championship
- 13 July 2020
Perhaps the best thing all of this fiasco are Memes
And why do you think they chose green as the main color of the background? ?
I told you ! Konami are following this forum.
And why do you think they chose green as the main color of the background? ?
I told you ! Konami are following this forum.
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SaberRider
Championship
- 4 December 2014
Fiasco?
Why fiasco?
You had insight in pre release demo?
Why fiasco?
You had insight in pre release demo?
PES LITE is identical to the full game apart from the limited choice of game modes.
Ameppe
International
- 23 December 2007
- SSC Napoli
Blind fanboys will tell you just have to wait because it's to be expected the first game with a new engine is going to be almost broken. Don't worry next year it will be a lot better! And so the Pes cycle starts again.
Hope>disappointment>delusion
rojofa
Premier League
- 15 September 2017
I feel like this happens more often than we think in loads of situations - something made deliberately shitty/greedy, big public outrage, thing becomes slightly less awful and then the company gets to pat themselves on the back and get good PR out of putting in effort and "listening to feedback" after the fact while still having what would have been a substandard shitty product worthy of zero praise if that's what they had released initially.
Maybe not to this extent by creating such a shoddy public beta on purpose, but it happens often with stuff like microtransaction price points or severity of pay-to-win. Initial prices are ridiculous, everyone complains, prices get lowered, people accept the new "better" situation despite still being greedy pay-to-win, just slightly less bad.
Or the Skyrim paid mods on PC - Bethesda shoehorned in an absolutely ridiculous system without notice that obviously received huge backlash. They "listened to feedback" and removed it pretty quickly. A couple of years later a dumbed down less extreme version of paid mods was implemented (Creation Club) and nobody kicked up a fuss, probably because of how "it could have been worse", and now it's just accepted.
Maybe it's being cynical but I see variations of this tactic used everywhere - politics, retail, gaming etc...
Paynekiller
Premier League
- 14 June 2015
Remember when OfficialPes tweeted around this time last year that PES 2022 was going to be "built from the ground up"? No matter how old this server test demo is, it certainly not giving that impression that it has been. Personally i think they should have waited until July 21st then all of this speculation and confusion could have been avoided.
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janguv
Premier League
- 2 November 2016
Yeah I don't know because I didn't spot him here myself. But just thought it was funny you guys were also dealing with him. Incidentally, also has a few screws loose – after my aside earlier where I referenced him as a "mug", he's since...
- commented on a youtube upload of mine with this:
(worth noting this is an upload of a PES goal I shared with a couple of my teammates.. but now my fledgling YouTube career is in tatters 😂 )
- then followed my Twitter account:
- then went for the kill with a DM request!
...suffice it to say, I'm shaking in my boots. (And the answer is yes to this question.)
Sorry for O/T guys! Just thought it was funny that a plonker slagging off EvoWeb on Reddit is monitoring the forum, sees me take the piss a bit, and then launches into this social media frenzy!
Anyway, sounds like banning was a wise idea...
Looking forward to PES 2022 "revolutionizing" football games!
janguv
Premier League
- 2 November 2016
Yeah I do know what you mean in other areas. UK government politics has seen this tactic a lot lately – leak something a bit uncertain to the press, gauge public outrage, then announce something less outrageous as policy.
But I do think it's a stretch that Konami are deliberately releasing a product that they think is bad in order to lower expectations.
Edit: Also re microtransactions, I've noticed the opposite strategy – don't implement the MTX/loot boxes/store function until after the review phase is over. It's really sneaky. Publishers are clearly getting devs to do it so they can ride the positive review wave. I wish reviewers would adjust reviews in light of this tactic, but they almost never do.
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jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
I’m so worried about this game
Pes lite normally comes out 3 months after the full release.
It's like watching a member of your family take a blow torch to all their worldly possessions.
You just keeping yourself "why?".
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
good vide this
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
Was that dude here?
Is that the Daniel guy from last year?