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Whatever this game is...
I Played one match again.
Pretty much as before.
It's clearly just pes 2020/21 just missing large parts of the gameplay that havent been ported over yet.

And what kind of camera can be low on the near touchline, yet high up when the ball is on the far touchline? Is it a drone? Absolutely idiotic.
The pitch is so big it feels like some dystopian version of football where the players are left to wonder this endless pixelated verdure for eternity...

Re what is actually is:
Too much of it is similar to pes games, including the ability to move your whole team up with pitch with the d-pad
The stadium is also called efootball

Maybe this is the super-rubbish ps4 version. Who knows.
Who even cares anymore?
 
slamsoze said:
The most fun part is that the 99,9% of the PES community knows the biggest issue with online stability. And this is lag cheater & void cheaters. The biggest plague since PES 2011.

I find it hyporcitical of them, when they keep ingoring this issue for the last 10+ years, with their easily exploited peer-2-peer system, when every random jack@$$ can nulify a match you are winning and get away with a void no loss cheat, stealing my/our/your time.

So if the purpose is the connection issues, here is my reply, find a solution to "lag cheating".

Now close the beta, scrap the survey and pay me KONAMI, i solved your issues in a post!! :SNACK:
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I'm fortunate not to have to experience it online haha. I quit myClub years back, only ever doing co-op occasionally now. Same with the divisions mode. Just play FUMA vs people I know in a league – if anyone lag-cheated they'd be banned and/or ridiculed by us all for eternity :LOL: Also play FUMA 11v11s games too, where the only connection woes are people with bad internet losing their connection and teams having to suddenly play alongside an AI player haha.

The reason I left the ordinary 1v1 online modes was less to do with the lag cheats (I felt they declined in number over the years quite a bit) and everything to do with the win-at-all-costs childish playing behaviour of people online. The sort of shit you would never try to pull back in the day huddled round the same telly with other people, because you'd get thumped for being such a dick! Honestly, how people behave in online gaming just makes me lose faith in humanity... I know it's not that serious, but it's just so pathetic!
 
Antoine said:
Good grief that looks terrible. It looks like the players have been shrunk down by a third, that pitch is HUUUUUUUUGE!
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You just beat me to it re pitch size. Try and play it, it's actually unnerving, like it's a side-scrolling football game.
 
janguv said:
I think that's pretty far off, mate! The following are all related quite significantly to gameplay, and often just gameplay/user experience (not connection related): 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22

From this numbered list:
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I don't know my friend, I have linked these questions to my understanding. I actually don't know if graphics and atmospheres are related to gameplay
I respect your opinion though but I don't think I have been mistaken
 
I don't care too much about incredible graphics. They're a plus but not the most important thing for me. Here's my wish list:
- I want the game to be completely moddable so that people can improve on it. (gameplay, kits, edit file, chants etc).
- Deeper Master League with more features.
- More crowd enthusiasm and intros.
- Solid gameplay and ball physics to begin with (so that they can be modded and improved upon).

Those are the most important points, for me at least. :TU:
 
FShas said:
It's clearly just pes 2020/21 just missing large parts of the gameplay that havent been ported over yet.
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This bit just makes no sense to me. There's clearly new animations, the ball physics feel different (probably worse, but also different), the pace is much slower, the defending system completely changed, the team shape – yes, just as bad, etc etc.

I can understand people hating it, but doing so because "it's just PES 2021" is absurd. You realise how much extra work it would have been to try translating the many elements of the previous game to the new one, in a new engine with its own bespoke tools that aren't compatible with Fox? There is no such thing as "porting" over gameplay.

It's not the same game. Hell, if it was, it wouldn't look and play like arse, as it does in a few very notable respects :LOL:

The very most you can say in regards to similarity is this: they probably share a similar design focus and motivation. That will inform how the game is made, what gets development time in the budget, where the production values are high or low, and so on.
 
FShas said:
Whatever this game is...
I Played one match again.
Pretty much as before.
It's clearly just pes 2020/21 just missing large parts of the gameplay that havent been ported over yet.

And what kind of camera can be low on the near touchline, yet high up when the ball is on the far touchline? Is it a drone? Absolutely idiotic.
The pitch is so big it feels like some dystopian version of football where the players are left to wonder this endless pixelated verdure for eternity...

Re what is actually is:
Too much of it is similar to pes games, including the ability to move your whole team up with pitch with the d-pad
The stadium is also called efootball

Maybe this is the super-rubbish ps4 version. Who knows.
Who even cares anymore?
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I think the camera system is straight up lifted from the mobile version. And while it may make sense for mobile, especially to zoom in certain areas because of smaller screen, it makes no sense for playing on your TV for obvious reasons. The biggest disconnect for the beta is exactly that, I think. It looks like a mobile game, it feels like a mobile game and it plays like a mobile game. But it's on a console.
 
The Moroccan said:
I don't know my friend, I have linked these questions to my understanding. I actually don't know if graphics and atmospheres are related to gameplay
I respect your opinion though but I don't think I have been mistaken
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I do think you're very much mistaken there, man!

Re graphics and atmosphere: I can understand why you would say these are external to gameplay. I would disagree on account of the fact that you can't easily pull apart gameplay factors from what they end up producing – e.g., people like to think of animations as gameplay, but they are also a key part of the graphical design. Things straddle the two broad categories like this.

BUT, even if you still disagree, the point is that most of the items on that list don't relate to connection issues or responsiveness. It doesn't really matter whether you classify them as concerning graphics, subjective enjoyment, gameplay, atmosphere, etc. They're not related to the online quality in any direct or obvious way.

What the survey looks like is an internal benchmark they want, so they can gauge what people think of the early code vs the old game, and then likely what people think of subsequent code releases (the demo, the release version, etc.) They'll probably need this sort of thing for boring boardroom presentations on "customer engagement".
 
BostonGoals said:
I was similar to you back in 2007, I was 16 years old and looking forward to a next gen PES on the PS3 - the most powerful console in the world at the time. The series was at an all time high on the back of PES6 on the PS2.

I couldn't believe what I saw at Gamescom when everyone was saying the game was garbage, I held on to the belief that it was just old code and it would improve. As we all know it didn't and the game was a load of rhinoceros poo. From then on I never fell into the trap of thinking Konami could live up to my expectations - they will always let you down.

My guess is that they're struggling badly with porting it to the Unreal engine, just like they were with the moves onto new consoles in 2007 and the Fox engine in 2014.
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It literally looks identical to the mobile game man...
 
janguv said:
I do think you're very much mistaken there, man!

Re graphics and atmosphere: I can understand why you would say these are external to gameplay. I would disagree on account of the fact that you can't easily pull apart gameplay factors from what they end up producing – e.g., people like to think of animations as gameplay, but they are also a key part of the graphical design. Things straddle the two broad categories like this.

BUT, even if you still disagree, the point is that most of the items on that list don't relate to connection issues or responsiveness. It doesn't really matter whether you classify them as concerning graphics, subjective enjoyment, gameplay, atmosphere, etc. They're not related to the online quality in any direct or obvious way.

What the survey looks like is an internal benchmark they want, so they can gauge what people think of the early code vs the old game, and then likely what people think of subsequent code releases (the demo, the release version, etc.) They'll probably need this sort of thing for boring boardroom presentations on "customer engagement".
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Thank you for the explanation, mate
 
janguv said:
This bit just makes no sense to me. There's clearly new animations, the ball physics feel different (probably worse, but also different), the pace is much slower, the defending system completely changed, the team shape – yes, just as bad, etc etc.

I can understand people hating it, but doing so because "it's just PES 2021" is absurd. ²You realise how much extra work it would have been to try translating the many elements of the previous game to the new one, in a new engine with its own bespoke tools that aren't compatible with Fox? There is no such thing as "porting" over gameplay.

It's not the same game. Hell, if it was, it wouldn't look and play like arse, as it does in a few very notable respects :LOL:

The very most you can say in regards to similarity is this: they probably share a similar design focus and motivation. That will inform how the game is made, what gets development time in the budget, where the production values are high or low, and so on.
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Porting was the wrong word, I'll give you that. Porting is for moving between same generation consoles, not engines.

However, the essence of this game, and beyond, is so clearly pes 20/21 that I'm as equally amazed that wouldnt consider that to be the case.

The patterns of play are virtually identical. The trajectories of passes, long or short the same in the majority of cases, even if they 'feel' different. The shots are pretty much the same trajectories, masked by softer physics and exaggerating the errors of pes 20/21. They leave the foot in the same pre-calculated way. Goalkeepers predict shots in the same way.
There is nothing new to my senses, except somebody has raised the soft/woolly slider on the ball physics.
Close dribbling feels virtually identical too.
I accept the players feel heavier and freer, but it's so marginal. It feels like the same old game. Maybe against super star AI it would feel different.
I cannot see any new 'technology' at all in the game relating to AI or physics/locomotion.


Which is fine. It's been almost around 7 years since I was emotionally involved in pes (hence not using the word hate or any other emotional terms, even if I've been fairly blunt), I just feel in a far better place to critique it without wanting it to be great, or see things that arent there (not a dig at anyone else, to be clear). If I didnt have my working day suddenly clear up as the demo appeared, I wouldnt have been on here at all, I just felt like joining in after months away.

To me the game actually plays like a super woolly pes 21, with freer players, softer ball physics (remind me of WE7i, even the ball does) but actually stripped back at the same time, like they're missing bits...
 
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Man this game is weak as hell. How can someone call this next gen? Im not even talking about graphics, but general physics, movement, passing, shooting. If this is a 3 year work from Konami im really sorry to say but they lost it definitly. This is no longer the company that had a vision of what a fun arcade/sim balanced football game is.
The size of the pítch, the lack of midfield its the fucking same as previous PES.
I really wanted to believe that this time they could bring us something good, but by the looks and feel of it i guess PES is really dead for me and with it, football games. If this is the base for this new Gen i will defenitly pass it, not even a photo realism looking graphics can save what i played here.

i know im being stupid but still there is a little little very very much little hope that they present us something completly different in 1 month and that this was really just the mobile version of the game and the game for new consoles is a totally different thing.

just one question, did they remove the finess shot/pass modifier (former R2)?
 
Emroth said:
Players still look a bit skatey...


...but stamina works... they all look dead by the end... :LOL:
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If they replaced all the player models with animals, and had different animal teams, and crazy stadiums and turfs, and shipped that instead... i may be tempted to play it 🦍⚽🐍
 
The bad news is guys thats definitely Pes 2022. It aint mobile by any stretch.

However what did I just play? Thats some SNES bullshit right there, like something from 1992. Regardless if this is Alpha, Beta or Omega, that is a poor, poor game of football. Spongy physics, weird camera, massive pitch, everything felt on rails, lack of responsiveness. I played some guy who was Barca and the goals he scored were incredibly meh.

I mean we are in July next week. When does the game come out? Sept? Oct? Not a lot of time. Regardless I would expect the game to be 10x what I saw considering they skipped a year.

Incredibly, worryingly bad. I also think the player models look worse, not realistic at all. Like a bunch of waxworks.
 
They made us wait 2 years for that ???? It looks worst than the current pes 2021 on ps4. Why is it so unnatural looking??? What about the shadows? The players look like they’re floating. Tell me that’s the mobile version and not the ps5 one.
 
This is a 17 years old game and even this game looks better than this thing (I'm not gonna call it a game). I mean look at the ball and net physics. Even some animations looks better, in 17 YEARS OLD GAME. They just released a demo-ish thing without any word and that's it. They even didn't make an explanation to us (They did, but not explicitly. We're still discussing whether this is PES 2022 or a mobile port). Even if the game gonna be released way better then that beta, it's still a shame.
 
Buğra said:
This is a 17 years old game and even this game looks better than this thing (I'm not gonna call it a game). I mean look at the ball and net physics. Even some animations looks better, in 17 YEARS OLD GAME. They just released a demo-ish thing without any word and that's it. They even didn't make an explanation to us (They did, but not explicitly. We're still discussing whether this is PES 2022 or a mobile port). Even if the game gonna be released way better then that beta, it's still a shame.
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GOAT nets!
 
embraceuk1 said:
What Complete disaster from Konami.
Despite what everyone says in our PES bubble all the bs mobile conspiracy theory’s etc.
The general public who don’t read websites or follow forums will only see this as a demo plain an simple and if their plan was to not sell the game congrats you’ve succeeded.
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The biggest mistake Konami made was to expect people to be able to simply read and understand. They honestly put more that enough information out for people to understand what they were downloading. The confusing is baffling. Regardless of whether in a few months time the game turns out to be close to this, the point remains.
 
Emroth said:
Players still look a bit skatey...


...but stamina works... they all look dead by the end... :LOL:
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There is a Pokemon named Stunfisk, which is as flat as those models! :P
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I was scrolling through Twitter last night & saw a couple of comments by Asim regarding the beta, someone replied saying that this was just a mobile port & not actually the game we're getting to which Asim replied that it "definitely wasn't" & that he's "confident in saying that".

I know he doesn't work for Konami anymore so this can't be taken as gospel but I'm sure he still has some inside knowledge of the games development via his friends & ex work colleagues. If he's confident enough to claim it's definitely not a port then I think this really is just an incredibly rough early build of PES 2022 sadly.
 
I'll probably buy neither footy game (again), but wow, this is why quitting following the news this time of the year is harder than quitting the games. It's like a car crash that you just can't take your eyes away from.

Never change Konami/EA!
 
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