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milosh-96 said:
Let's say just for the sake of discussion that this update will fix the game so most players are ok with it. Still I think the damage is irreparable, this game is already a meme material. Awful marketing.

And this long wait period are supposed to create a new hype? To anyone who thinks "they need time" - nobody forced theme to release on 30th September, but imagine announcing a hotfix in 20 days.
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Yeah, it's frankly mad imo that they didn't line up a day 1 patch for this. It was basically a meme within hours of release; they surely ought to have anticipated this. It makes me think they really only care about the November launch, with the mobile compatibility and the lootbox mode.
 
Imagine the refund requests it wasn't a free game.
Also, imagine that you work in a software company, you release such product product to production and then you tell your client to wait 3 weeks for a "hotfix"... People get fired or have to pay big compensations in those cases. But at the end, this is Konami.
 
janguv said:
Some of the responses get a bit personal, sure. But overall, I think you have to see it as a frustration manifesting. It is the yawning, cyclical nature of so many kinds of comment here and elsewhere: this cocksure confidence that actually Everything Is All Right – there's a fix on the way, a monster patch, a YouTuber says there's a really good build, there's a secret next-gen game that Konami shutdown with 6 months to go, an insider says that the real game is outstanding, and so on.

What is being ridiculed is the utter credulity of it all. Especially when that comes packaged in this assertive manner, usually out of the blue, sometimes by a user who claims to have been observing the forum for ten years and has decided there's just too much God darn negativity here.

We've seen it all before. And some of the anger and frustration doubtless comes from an inwards-looking past-self-reproach too. I myself fell for the "Reddit insider" larp for a couple of days, or at least was open-minded about it, when there were warning signs others pointed out that I should have been able to spot. Point is, we've all been there with this franchise, and this company, and the endless seeds of optimism planted sometimes by ourselves, sometimes by others. We know that those seeds sprout to form a forest of bullshit. People just want to nip that in the bud while they can, especially when that "optimism" is dismissive of grounded concerns, in a way that merits the description "toxic positivity".

The anger about all this can misfire, for sure. But you've got to see where it comes from. We would all be better off if we, and others in turn, were not so credulous about this sodding game!
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I see where it comes from. I've been through it all since pes 2008 and on and on...so I get that part.

But justifying people posting here in a personal way because theyve been irritated by others elsewhere...I'm not sure about that. I also dont see how accumulated frustration is an appropriate reason.

I havent really seen anyone here try and sell optimism. I've seen people say they enjoy the game and if so and so were improved, they'd be happy.

The idea that personal posting is somehow doing the forum a service doesnt quite work for me. In fact, many of the positive posts, including my own, have shared those grounded concerns.

Happy to carry on discussing, but we may not get anywhere though, and we both have the same good intentions, I believe!
 
fregen said:
Tbf they said this game would be a continuous update forever into eternity... ;)
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I doubt anyone has the patience to wait for the game to be playable and rich in content, at least after the disaster launch the game endured.

manmachine said:
Yeah, eternity is exactly when I expect ML to drop. 😅
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And even that, I’m betting that it will be the same ML we have from PES 2021 with so little changes. Konami baffles me at this point.
 
FIFA is next-gen game (arcade, not good enough, full of gambling, but still next-gen) .... this is mobile game .... that's all answers you will ever need folks ... just remember it. MOBILE GAME.
 
FShas said:
I see where it comes from. I've been through it all since pes 2008 and on and on...so I get that part.

But justifying people posting here in a personal way because theyve been irritated by others elsewhere...I'm not sure about that. I also dont see how accumulated frustration is an appropriate reason.

I havent really seen anyone here try and sell optimism. I've seen people say they enjoy the game and if so and so were improved, they'd be happy.

The idea that personal posting is somehow doing the forum a service doesnt quite work for me. In fact, many of the positive posts, including my own, have shared those grounded concerns.

Happy to carry on discussing, but we may not get anywhere though, and we both have the same good intentions, I believe!
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I just don't think you've really evidenced the kind of personal attacks that you keep alluding to. The original post you highlighted in this thread-chain was pretty inoffensive.

The discussion that the post had followed, regarding the guy who said the game was definitely patched because free kick tactics worked, was fairly civil. It was still characterised by frustration, because – again – it just beggars belief how desperate people are to believe PES is actually good (and "Konami are nice, actually"). All critical standards go out the window. Somebody presents very solid evidence that the game files were untouched, and a guy flatly contradicts it with something a moment's reflection will tell you is not good evidence (you yourself called it session variance).

It is good to point out reasoning flaws in the way people think and talk about this game, because without it, it's basically Reddit or some other space where opinions and arguments no matter how poorly formed spread like wildfire if they appeal to the underlying biases and desires of the audience. It just muddies the waters to let such stuff stand.

So what I've seen most recently are responses to lazy thinking and lazy arguments; responses that are, sometimes, a little short because it's tiring having to point it out again and again. Where is the really personal stuff? I can only think of a couple of posts in recent times that have got really personal, and they were also called out.

If someone says that they are liking aspects of the game, it doesn't merit much reproach around here. It might be alien to some, but it's accepted. However, if someone says they are liking the game because it's "better than FIFA", they get laughed at (because (a) FIFA, like it or not, seems to be a proper game by comparison, and (b) even if not, it's a fallacy of relevance). Likewise, if someone says the game is actually really good and the problem is that players aren't playing it right, they also get roundly mocked. That's because we can see through what it is: copium-laden excuse-making for a billionaire corporation who has shafted its most loyal supporters, who are effectively being gaslit when they're told the problem isn't this half-arsed mess of a product, but actually the problem is in the eye of the perceiver – Git Gud.

It is understandable when such poor arguments are met with derision, such is their frequency and such (often) is the arrogance with which they are posed. It needn't and normally doesn't betoken toxicity.
 
godoffootball said:
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What Konami thought to themselves ?
After years of making faces much better than FIFA, how did they get to a point where they were just ruining it?
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Overall EA this year made a big leap with some attention to detail, not just the faces. Look all those features that makes eFootball a complete meme in comparison:



The baffling part is that Konami released "the experience" one day before FIFA 22, thinking like they're in direct competition with EA or something... :LMAO:
 
etb10dmk said:
Overall EA this year made a big leap with some attention to detail, not just the faces. Look all those features that makes eFootball a complete meme in comparison:



The baffling part is that Konami released "the experience" one day before FIFA 22, thinking like they're in direct competition with EA or something... :LMAO:
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Jesus Christ that's a horrendous thumbnail. What YouTubers will mock up for hits.
 
Hahahaha one month to release an HOTFIX. It will be more than 1 year before we even reach Version 1.0.0

This music sums up Konami ATM:

 
janguv said:
I just don't think you've really evidenced the kind of personal attacks that you keep alluding to. The original post you highlighted in this thread-chain was pretty inoffensive.

The discussion that the post had followed, regarding the guy who said the game was definitely patched because free kick tactics worked, was fairly civil. It was still characterised by frustration, because – again – it just beggars belief how desperate people are to believe PES is actually good (and "Konami are nice, actually"). All critical standards go out the window. Somebody presents very solid evidence that the game files were untouched, and a guy flatly contradicts it with something a moment's reflection will tell you is not good evidence (you yourself called it session variance).

It is good to point out reasoning flaws in the way people think and talk about this game, because without it, it's basically Reddit or some other space where opinions and arguments no matter how poorly formed spread like wildfire if they appeal to the underlying biases and desires of the audience. It just muddies the waters to let such stuff stand.

So what I've seen most recently are responses to lazy thinking and lazy arguments; responses that are, sometimes, a little short because it's tiring having to point it out again and again. Where is the really personal stuff? I can only think of a couple of posts in recent times that have got really personal, and they were also called out.

If someone says that they are liking aspects of the game, it doesn't merit much reproach around here. It might be alien to some, but it's accepted. However, if someone says they are liking the game because it's "better than FIFA", they get laughed at (because (a) FIFA, like it or not, seems to be a proper game by comparison, and (b) even if not, it's a fallacy of relevance). Likewise, if someone says the game is actually really good and the problem is that players aren't playing it right, they also get roundly mocked. That's because we can see through what it is: copium-laden excuse-making for a billionaire corporation who has shafted its most loyal supporters, who are effectively being gaslit when they're told the problem isn't this half-arsed mess of a product, but actually the problem is in the eye of the perceiver – Git Gud.

It is understandable when such poor arguments are met with derision, such is their frequency and such (often) is the arrogance with which they are posed. It needn't and normally doesn't betoken toxicity.
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People are treating Konami like it's their surrogate daddy or something. I don't understand it. You are suppose to hold these gaming companies accountable when they fuck up.

They rip EA for it's shitty anti-consumer practices, but with Konami, it's ok. Give them time. They are good guys. It's bullshit.
 
Will they do anything about the ass like cutscene performance?

Saw footage of gameplay with even rtx 3080 at 1080p and even that gpu fails to maintain a locked 60 fps on cutscenes.

Graphics looking so next gen that even the highest end gpu and next gen consoles cant handle it.
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Sami 1999 said:
Will do do anything about the ass like cutscene performance?

Saw footage of gameplay with even rtx 3080 at 1080p and even that gpu fails to maintain a locked 60 fps on cutscenes.

Graphics looking so next gen that even the highest end gpu and next gen consoles cant handle it.
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You need Android emulator on PC first, and that on top of it actual game ... so that's problem with GPU/CPU usage.

P.S. to be honest, I would be surprised if above is true when it comes to KONAMI
 
martyl2 said:
Is the fix not just a later build that YouTube girl pizza played a while back? Why it taking so long 😂
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No the fix will probably be an older build than that hahah. That is what they will say. We will not have "sharp kicks" on 0.9.1. Now they will delay that one to, because since the feedback they had to change something (changelog will come in future updates).

People (Influencers / believers / streamers / youtubers / Adam / Apologists) were already making excuses for Konami, saying that they released this version due to delays in the approval/submission from Playstation Xbox, and that they didn´t had the time to release the proper version without all the BUGS.
Well i guess Playstation/Xbox must have something against Konami because their games take a lot more time to be approved :LMAO: :LMAO: since they take a month to get a newer 0.0.1 build out.

Just pure incompetence, lack of care and professionalism. Konami should be a case study.

Was just thinking, haven´t that Italian reviewer, already played version 0.9.1? He must be Marty Mcfly´s cousin or something.

Konami 2 - 0 Influencers / believers / streamers / youtubers / Adam / Apologists
 
Pistol90 said:
You need Android emulator on PC first, and that on top of it actual game ... so that's problem with GPU/CPU usage.

P.S. to be honest, I would be surprised if above is true when it comes to KONAMI
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Microsoft actually plans to bring Android apps to the windows 11 app store. Then you will be able to play the definitive efootball nextgen version on pc properly. Konami thinking ahead here for a change.
 
janguv said:
I just don't think you've really evidenced the kind of personal attacks that you keep alluding to. The original post you highlighted in this thread-chain was pretty inoffensive.

The discussion that the post had followed, regarding the guy who said the game was definitely patched because free kick tactics worked, was fairly civil. It was still characterised by frustration, because – again – it just beggars belief how desperate people are to believe PES is actually good (and "Konami are nice, actually"). All critical standards go out the window. Somebody presents very solid evidence that the game files were untouched, and a guy flatly contradicts it with something a moment's reflection will tell you is not good evidence (you yourself called it session variance).

It is good to point out reasoning flaws in the way people think and talk about this game, because without it, it's basically Reddit or some other space where opinions and arguments no matter how poorly formed spread like wildfire if they appeal to the underlying biases and desires of the audience. It just muddies the waters to let such stuff stand.

So what I've seen most recently are responses to lazy thinking and lazy arguments; responses that are, sometimes, a little short because it's tiring having to point it out again and again. Where is the really personal stuff? I can only think of a couple of posts in recent times that have got really personal, and they were also called out.

If someone says that they are liking aspects of the game, it doesn't merit much reproach around here. It might be alien to some, but it's accepted. However, if someone says they are liking the game because it's "better than FIFA", they get laughed at (because (a) FIFA, like it or not, seems to be a proper game by comparison, and (b) even if not, it's a fallacy of relevance). Likewise, if someone says the game is actually really good and the problem is that players aren't playing it right, they also get roundly mocked. That's because we can see through what it is: copium-laden excuse-making for a billionaire corporation who has shafted its most loyal supporters, who are effectively being gaslit when they're told the problem isn't this half-arsed mess of a product, but actually
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janguv said:
I just don't think you've really evidenced the kind of personal attacks that you keep alluding to. The original post you highlighted in this thread-chain was pretty inoffensive.

The discussion that the post had followed, regarding the guy who said the game was definitely patched because free kick tactics worked, was fairly civil. It was still characterised by frustration, because – again – it just beggars belief how desperate people are to believe PES is actually good (and "Konami are nice, actually"). All critical standards go out the window. Somebody presents very solid evidence that the game files were untouched, and a guy flatly contradicts it with something a moment's reflection will tell you is not good evidence (you yourself called it session variance).

It is good to point out reasoning flaws in the way people think and talk about this game, because without it, it's basically Reddit or some other space where opinions and arguments no matter how poorly formed spread like wildfire if they appeal to the underlying biases and desires of the audience. It just muddies the waters to let such stuff stand.

So what I've seen most recently are responses to lazy thinking and lazy arguments; responses that are, sometimes, a little short because it's tiring having to point it out again and again. Where is the really personal stuff? I can only think of a couple of posts in recent times that have got really personal, and they were also called out.

If someone says that they are liking aspects of the game, it doesn't merit much reproach around here. It might be alien to some, but it's accepted. However, if someone says they are liking the game because it's "better than FIFA", they get laughed at (because (a) FIFA, like it or not, seems to be a proper game by comparison, and (b) even if not, it's a fallacy of relevance). Likewise, if someone says the game is actually really good and the problem is that players aren't playing it right, they also get roundly mocked. That's because we can see through what it is: copium-laden excuse-making for a billionaire corporation who has shafted its most loyal supporters, who are effectively being gaslit when they're told the problem isn't this half-arsed mess of a product, but actually the problem is in the eye of the perceiver – Git Gud.

It is understandable when such poor arguments are met with derision, such is their frequency and such (often) is the arrogance with which they are posed. It needn't and normally doesn't betoken toxicity.
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Copium laden excuse making for a corporation. How desperate people are to believe pes is good, konami is nice etc. I dont see this desperation. I see only people enjoying the game in parts and making mistakes about an update. I think if this is your starting point, you'll see posts through that lens.

We also differ in ascribing motivation to people's posting and behaviour. What you see as calling people out looks to me like an excuse for the expression of anger and frustration.

The idea that this is the weeding out of poor opinions is spurious to my mind. I'm not interested in the get good arguments either, or the poor arguments. It's not what I'm aiming it.
 
Sami 1999 said:
Will do do anything about the ass like cutscene performance?

Saw footage of gameplay with even rtx 3080 at 1080p and even that gpu fails to maintain a locked 60 fps on cutscenes.

Graphics looking so next gen that even the highest end gpu and next gen consoles cant handle it.
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This game (and many other UE4 asset flip projects) has this janky feeling, that everything is about to break at any moment. It’s similar to early access PUBG around 2017, but that one had the excuse of a huge map with 100 players.
 
The thing is..Is this really a million miles off..Sure there’s a lot of facets that still need tightening.I hate with a passion what they’ve done to dribbling,defending and the basics of just moving or running with a player.The currently under developed collisions and player awareness issues.Clunky cursor switching.

Yet..Part of me still thinks all this will be improved and alot of what’s already in place are just stop gap solutions to tie together the parts of the game that aren’t finished or working.So the games currently relatively playable.

It’s not finished,it’s not really in a great working state and there’s so many areas that need fine tuning,that’s a given.

In my mind though,there’s just to many things in the game already that point towards them taking this seriously as a simulation and there values when it comes down to mirroring the real game.Unreal works even at this early stage and the potential is more then clear.Both graphically and interms of animation,ball physics.

Im loving fifa22,it gets so much right interms of finish and execution.But it doesn’t stop me seeing the potential here or a desire to see them get this right.

It’s not optimism,just a knowledge of what games look and play like at different stages of development.I’m not deluding myself that this isn’t anything but a ALPHA.
 
FShas said:
The idea that this is the weeding out of poor opinions is spurious to my mind. I'm not interested in the get good arguments either, or the poor arguments. It's not what I'm aiming it.
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I'm not some old Millian utilitarian, arguing that having these arguments conduces to overall utility, so that it's all to the good for people to express themselves in whatever way they please. I'm rather saying that this specific discursive environment we're in is one where, every now and then, a poster will come in and throw about claims that fly in the face of collective experience – and I don't mean ones where people simply state they like a game or aspects of a game – and that history is what conditions the ways people will react here.

The sorts of post, which you can easily find in this thread and the yearly PES general threads, are ones which can be hyper defensive of Konami, can be so contemptuous of critique, so desperate to find silver linings to preserve the image they have of the game series and its makers as untarnished and well-intentioned. I.e., exactly the sorts of post you claim not to notice here:

FShas said:
Copium laden excuse making for a corporation. How desperate people are to believe pes is good, konami is nice etc. I dont see this desperation. I see only people enjoying the game in parts and making mistakes about an update. I think if this is your starting point, you'll see posts through that lens.
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Now, you might not see those posts in the short survey you're considering here, but to understand the responses to the posts you are actually considering (a pretty small slice) – the reactions you're now castigating as toxic or unduly personal – it would help to appreciate the context. The kind of posts I've spoken about just above are regular enough. People have been banging their heads against a wall for a long time, and this place has been for them a small dose of sanity in a consumer environment that tells you: actually, the wall you're banging your head against is really soft and nice and it's fun!

If, ultimately, what I've just written comes across as a justification of ad hominem attacks, then perhaps consider the distinction between justifying something and making it intelligible. I don't actually think there are many attacks of the nature you're alleging (and it's incumbent on you maybe to show that there are), but even where there are some: I'm saying you can understand where it comes from, and it's not a place of simmering hostility – i.e., it's not "an excuse for the expression of anger and frustration": that is such an ahistorical and individualistic interpretation.

Rather, it's situated within a history of people coming along to these threads and suggesting that either everything is okay (and people are dinosaurs for considering otherwise) or that everything will Soon™️ be okay, because of a super patch round the corner. It grates because it is so reality-distorting. I don't know if you were around for the various people who eventually got banned for that sort of gaslighting here – the likes of "free as a bird" Daniel, or "you're in opposite land" Curdie.

I stress, again, that optimism itself or simple enjoyment of the game isn't the proper subject of ridicule or hate. And outside of a couple of individual posts that come to mind, I can't think of a general response here which manifests that response. So where is it? Are you willing to show it more directly? If a post genuinely crosses the line (as nebulous as that line can be...), then fine, call it out. I've done so here before a number of times.

Because without substantiating it and alluding to some general derisive atmosphere, it just comes off as some strange civility politics, one which ignores the context that furnishes and makes sense of slightly testy reactions.
 
janguv said:
I'm not some old Millian utilitarian, arguing that having these arguments conduces to overall utility, so that it's all to the good for people to express themselves in whatever way they please. I'm rather saying that this specific discursive environment we're in is one where, every now and then, a poster will come in and throw about claims that fly in the face of collective experience – and I don't mean ones where people simply state they like a game or aspects of a game – and that history is what conditions the ways people will react here.

The sorts of post, which you can easily find in this thread and the yearly PES general threads, are ones which can be hyper defensive of Konami, can be so contemptuous of critique, so desperate to find silver linings to preserve the image they have of the game series and its makers as untarnished and well-intentioned. I.e., exactly the sorts of post you claim not to notice here:


Now, you might not see those posts in the short survey you're considering here, but to understand the responses to the posts you are actually considering (a pretty small slice) – the reactions you're now castigating as toxic or unduly personal – it would help to appreciate the context. The kind of posts I've spoken about just above are regular enough. People have been banging their heads against a wall for a long time, and this place has been for them a small dose of sanity in a consumer environment that tells you: actually, the wall you're banging your head against is really soft and nice and it's fun!

If, ultimately, what I've just written comes across as a justification of ad hominem attacks, then perhaps consider the distinction between justifying something and making it intelligible. I don't actually think there are many attacks of the nature you're alleging (and it's incumbent on you maybe to show that there are), but even where there are some: I'm saying you can understand where it comes from, and it's not a place of simmering hostility – i.e., it's not "an excuse for the expression of anger and frustration": that is such an ahistorical and individualistic interpretation.

Rather, it's situated within a history of people coming along to these threads and suggesting that either everything is okay (and people are dinosaurs for considering otherwise) or that everything will Soon™️ be okay, because of a super patch round the corner. It grates because it is so reality-distorting. I don't know if you were around for the various people who eventually got banned for that sort of gaslighting here – the likes of "free as a bird" Daniel, or "you're in opposite land" Curdie.

I stress, again, that optimism itself or simple enjoyment of the game isn't the proper subject of ridicule or hate. And outside of a couple of individual posts that come to mind, I can't think of a general response here which manifests that response. So where is it? Are you willing to show it more directly? If a post genuinely crosses the line (as nebulous as that line can be...), then fine, call it out. I've done so here before a number of times.

Because without substantiating it and alluding to some general derisive atmosphere, it just comes off as some strange civility politics, one which ignores the context that furnishes and makes sense of slightly testy reactions.
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I've been on the boards since pes 3, although have forgotten usernames along the way so have reinvented as it were. I've been here all through it, I know exactly what your referring to, saw it all through WENB too.

I dont agree with you. I think the posts I'm referring to are self-evident. I think your interpretation of them is wrong, but not insincerely so. We wont agree on the interpretation of them, nor will we agree on whether or not they are justified.

I cant keep going back and forth with you. I dont have the time to go through your lengthy posts and rebut/refute each point. That's not a criticism of you. I just dont have the appetite for it.

My criticisms have by and large quoted posters directly. I dont believe I've made any unfounded observations.
 
Noticed a growing trend of youtubers and forum members backpedaling on their impressions this week and I can appreciate people are entitled to do so but let’s not forget that the game they released was deliberate. They didn’t accidentally release a shambolic game they knew the quality was substandard.

The news of an update coming at the end of the month is welcome but if doesn’t vastly improve the game, which let’s be honest it probably won’t Konami are setting themselves up to be savaged by the community. I personally would like them to remove match time restrictions to an already limited offline mode but they’re highly unlikely to do that.
 
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