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fiddled with the pc settings etc nothing seems to have a major impact on response, seems hardcoded for online and crossplay or maybe its just bad and i search for excuses, its unplayable, i like the gameplay but i literally need to stop after a few minutes i cant control with this delay, then i watch PS5 streams and they play just fine :TTTH:

they just cant code/port games at all, total amateurs (same as the user interface), the gameplay guys in that company should probably just leave those talentless hacks alone there
 
Just how they are going to salvage this game when it has the worst rating on steam? The core mechanics of this game are broken. It's going to take more than a month to get all of it right. When Cyberpunk came out in December of 2020, it wasn't until August of this year where the game was decent enough to play and it still has some issues with it's AI and other gameplay elements. I just don't see how Konami is going to pull themselves out of this mess they put themselves in a span of a few months.

And who the hell is going to buy any paid DLC from this game after this crap? They've basically released a F2P game that many people aren't going to play in the future. The've killed any potential this game may have had. The game died the day it was launched. They have squandered all the good will they have brought themselves from their the previous titles. After this debacle, do any of you trust Konami to put out a Master League for efootball 2022? And if they do, it's probably not going to be any different from PES 2021 with a few minor tweaks.

They talk about how efootball 2022 was going to be new and innovative, but many of the stuff that was in PES 2021 are in this game from the cringey celebrations to the default faces and animations. They can't even be bothered to change up the commentary. I don't have any issue with Peter Drury. I think he's good, but most of his commentary in the game is the same as it was in PES 2020 and 2021. They've ported most of the stuff from PES 2021 and they can't even get that right. Two years of development and this what we get? And if their excuse was they couldn't work on this game properly due to covid, why not just build from what they have in PES 2021 for PES/Efootball 2022, with more features, better graphics with enhanced gameplay and wait for 2023 to reveal whatever big changes they want to make?
 
flokiman said:
Ι bet you are over 30+ yo, and when you played "these old masterpieces" you were teenager or so, right?
That's nostalgia , to my opinion.
But every aspect is respectable!
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If that's the case I'd be also enjoying other old games now that I enjoyed as a teenager. But it's not. There are others that didn't age well and cannot play. Winning Eleven/PES on the other hand, still enjoy greatly. There are some better animations and crazy moments from those games I'd never see or get from the newer games. The unpredictability alone is a huge one. Newer games are very predictable and makes playing games boring as I know the outcome most of the time.
 
vialli82 said:
Not so long, it was Kei Matsuda, replaced by that Kimura (the guy who cames with the idea of cross-gen)
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Obviously don't know the details, but this was the fk up of all fk ups!! Seabass was king yeah, but I reckon Matsuda got the PES franchise to a great spot, giving us not only the best PES to date, a great base to work on albeit with an aging fox engine. Would love to hear the truth behind this whole making of eFootball, and how this devil child was really born...
 
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@TheWolf sorry but the main issue of that so called "game" is not about realistic or not. It's just about being too buggy to even get an idea of what it is.
The direction of F2P doesn't equal "arcade". Neither Esport. Nothing has to do with it.
The biggest issue is how broke the state of the game is, you can't even tell in the future if it's fixed what direction it may take.
Player aren't aware of what they're doing (what some think it's "liberty", the variety of movement come of "i don't know were to run")

Otherwhise from the vids i saw, it's slow, passing is slow, physics are sensed to be realistic (i mean sensed, weight shift etc. but they're so broken in many part that you can't say anything good about it. Just my own perspective, what i sawed in some not bashing videos)

To me, it's all about the game status. Unreleasable at this point. The guy who signed to release that thing is completely insane.

Me too @Contra1 me too. Much much more sad than agressed or irritated or in a full hate state, i'm don't have a single small rage feeling. It's more desperation.
3 guys, one making decision, one in, one out. And the one in made explode the rest to reconstruct the way he want.
 
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seppovich said:
Despite KONAMI is stupid, i like the "demo".
Gameplay wise it's pure football.
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No, this is pure football! ;)




edit: While I’m at it, what do you guys think?!
In NHL 22 there is a feature coming, that brings out the player in 3D in those special moments.

have a look, the video is time stamped.


while I don’t like all the attribute and role-playing game Shenaniganz to the player, I really dig that graphical feature.
like I always hoped for a come back of those iconic matches (iconic moments to replay), I can see that feature being able to make those special moments in special matches even more EXTRA SPECIAL! :LOL:

like I was getting out of my sofa when Thiago scored that late winner during my time with the trail. With those graphics on next GEN I could think of this looking just stunning… I’m a sucker for stuff like this.

edit: don’t get me wrong. I don’t like those none sense celebrations at all, you can find in the game. i usually like to celebrate like the real thing. :)
 
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At least that game don't have visible bugs, glitches and players seems to know what they do. Even if it's arcade/fun (well it's not my vision of fun, it's more like a really funny movie vs a cartoon jokes.)
Well you can post whatever game in the world, it can't reach the level of glitches and overall non-sense in terms of visual and AI that efootball are.
But some people here like the basic, i can understand. They see a potential... Me too you know. But i see also the outnumbered stuffs to fix or completely recreate and i'm asking myself if in one day it will be possible that the game will be glitches/bug free and AI for the 22 players on the pitch...

Ah yes a bit of AI for the referee too, i don't talk about decision because it's too obvious, but his motions and the rest, how he moves on the pitch. He deserves it too.
 
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DuduBR9 said:
The truth is that people dont want a game that froces them to rethink How a REAL football game must be played. They Want a game that allows them to play the same easy and predictable game every year.
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And they have every right to want so. It s a video game, they want easy accessible fun, that's the purpose.
They want to play online, win, rank up etc...
I realize that I belong in the minority that only wants to see real soccer that is controlled by my controller. Im the odd one, I know it.

Ps: Remember that vast majority of glitches happen due to L2 function (offense and defense) . If you don't use it, you'll enjoy it better. Thankfully CPU does not use it very often.

Finally, using the unlocker, i tried the beginner level to master the controls, and i noticed even at the beginner there is some challenge from CPU.
 
Madmac79 said:
Sorry, but you are completely off track and I seriously don't get how can this be still an argument at all to be honest. There is people playing whole seasons, all year long of those old (and even past, but not so old) games because they simply have more fun with it. Nostalgia may be a thing if you retake something once in a while, not if you regularly keep on play it. I feel the most deepest nostalgia for Fifa 98 or Championship Manager 97/98, yet I don't play those, maybe I load them maybe once in a year or something.
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First of all I never questioned that PES 3 to 6 was masterpieces. We9Le was my favorite until FIFA 11 was out for PC.
Really, back then this games was pure gold.

My argument is that in 2021, I can't find joy anymore in a game that has obsolete mechanics and precanned physics, no 360 movement, and (even there was a primitive implementation) no manual controls. The fact that I can't kick the ball wherever I want to is limiting my freedom.
Very short and basic library of animations, primitive motion capture, obsolete graphics, judging for today's standards.

Comparing PES 6 with eFootball 2022 is apples and oranges. Different engine, generation of gaming, cpu/gpu capabilities.

For their time PES 5/6 was a 9/10 game, eFootball 22 is a 5/10 overall, and FIFA 22 is 8/10 (to my opinion)

It s a matter of taste, I value more the unpredictability, the randomness, the physics and the freedom a game provides me.
 
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no 360 movement,
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STOP with it please. When i read that all the rest you said, true or not, is obsolete.
You PES 2021 vision is totally off. Even if you're perhaps right about some stuffs you said about efootball.

RETRY to advance in every angle. You'll see that between 90 and 92 degree the player is going moving lower.
Don't force me to post a video, please, i beg you. I gotted only one video on youtube proving the opposite to show on WEAREPES there were 360 degree movements. Just that when you turn from a direction impossible to reach due to physical limitations, the player will be blocked / depending his balance (now) and explosive power (before it became acceleration).

If the player wasn't blocked he would fall on the pitch. That a gameplay choice, and i think it a good one. If you remove that limitation of direction, the player would fall regarding Fox physics. It happenned on PES 2014 beta for example, they found a way to stop it.
After, you're probably right about the way the player dribble. On older PES it was more step by step, to calibrate the balance (like the good old PES; same system) and animation transition. It's perhaps only visual.
But i reject every PES that denies physics (i can accept it on Fifa, it's another view of a "game" should be, and the move won't be limitated and the player won't fall : only he will do an animation a bit "skilled" at the place, more spectacular)
 
vialli82 said:
STOP with it please. When i read that all the rest you said, true or not, is obsolete.
You PES 2021 vision is totally off. Even if you're perhaps right about some stuffs you said about efootball.

RETRY to advance in every angle. You'll see that between 90 and 92 degree the player is going moving lower.
Don't force me to post a video, please, i beg you. I gotted only one video on youtube proving the opposite to show on WEAREPES there were 360 degree movements. Just that when you turn from a direction impossible to reach due to physical limitations, the player will be blocked / depending his balance (now) and explosive power (before it became acceleration).

If the player wasn't blocked he would fall on the pitch. That a gameplay choice, and i think it a good one. If you remove that limitation of direction, the player would fall regarding Fox physics. It happenned on PES 2014 beta for example, they found a way to stop it.
After, you're probably right about the way the player dribble. On older PES it was more step by step, to calibrate the balance (like the good old PES; same system) and animation transition. It's perhaps only visual.
But i reject every PES that denies physics (i can accept it on Fifa, it's another view of a "game" should be, and the move won't be limitated and the player won't fall : only he will do an animation a bit "skilled" at the place, more spectacular)
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Chill mate! I was talking about PES 5/6! :)
 
To me eFootball plays a bit like an extremely buggy and glitchy version of FIFA. That PES feel is totally gone.
I have the impression I would not like it even if they managed to get rid of all the bugs...
 
flokiman said:
Chill mate! I was talking about PES 5/6! :)
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Ok bro sorry haha. But you're talking about PES 2021 in the same time, understand that it's a bit confusing. And you said before that PES 2021 was like 16 direction so... But retry it, even an older game, like PES 2015 or 2016 where it was less physical and easier to move : you'll see.
I swear on the whole world that there's 360 degree movement : just the controls are differently handled. People wants too much "like Fifa" when they talk about 360 degree. But it's not the same system at all, and it's a matter of choice : that's all i wanted to say.
 
Richie said:
To me eFootball plays a bit like an extremely buggy and glitchy version of FIFA. That PES feel is totally gone.
I have the impression I would not like it even if they managed to get rid of all the bugs...
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From the goal i saw posted here from Dudu, or vids from i don't remember who, i can say it's pretty differently handled in terms of dribbling, passing speed, shoot. I saw PES 2021 with more animations in those goals, well there wasn't any bug.
But played, i don't know, it's probably the feeling no? Because that's very weird, i don't see at all Fifa in that area.
I don't want to try it and focus on 2 others projects (i prefers it to wait for something that may never happen : a debbuged version in all area) and i prefers to forgot about it.
But i can't make without asking or checking some of your impressions. I imagine it's all about the feeling while you're in control then, even if the result is different from Fifa.
 
robozaoGOAT said:
no one here in BRAZIL liked the game

and the remaining pes fans here in brazil are ONLY the ones who dont like fifa arcade style
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My apologies, but I don't quite follow.

For the avoidance of doubt, I meant that I think more people across this forum seek a more realistic experience, and want to have to think like they're immersed in a real football match.
 
guorfan said:
I think this thread explains everything happened inside konami and why we have now the worst football game made ever. Thanks for sharing @The_Knight
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Interesting story if true.

Certainly more likely than the other fan-fiction story about them making the most realistic football game ever using a crappy mobile game as a base and no one understanding the genius avant-garde gameplay hidden behind the bugs (which is mostly a version of Fifa's tactical defending from 10 years ago & a couple of dreadful Fifa 20 concepts like 1v1s with no secondary pressure added on top of said crappy mobile base). And all this for a new e-sport audience who don't give two f-words about realism. lol.
 
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guorfan said:
I think this thread explains everything happened inside konami and why we have now the worst football game made ever. Thanks for sharing @The_Knight
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Well that's what i said on the other thread word for word. Edit: Relayed of course, no invention or lies from myself.
Thanks for @The_Knight to have thrusted me and verify by himself, asking people probably. There's big arguments behind it, so he knows i wasn't lying about it...
Also, but that's from Renan Galvani : Kei Masuda was relegated to Europe because the game didn't sold as much > it's like a punition from a japanese perspective. But please @The_Knight don't talk about it : ask it to Renan from what source he got it. Because what i've heard didn't go that far in the conversation, just the changes. I learned it from a Data Editor who left his job personally, so free from Konami.

BUT If you have proof that Kei Matsuda is now in Europe, or confirmation from people, please relay it. I really want if the story is true from the first to the last word.

(Well, i was a bit aware but i just understood that practically no one reads me anymore or some ignored me lol. Guys, i'm far from a Konami insider or whatever you think. Perhaps i should made my posts a bit less long, i admit)
 
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flokiman said:
First of all I never questioned that PES 3 to 6 was masterpieces. We9Le was my favorite until FIFA 11 was out for PC.
Really, back then this games was pure gold.

My argument is that in 2021, I can't find joy anymore in a game that has obsolete mechanics and precanned physics, no 360 movement, and (even there was a primitive implementation) no manual controls. The fact that I can't kick the ball wherever I want to is limiting my freedom.
Very short and basic library of animations, primitive motion capture, obsolete graphics, judging for today's standards.

Comparing PES 6 with eFootball 2022 is apples and oranges. Different engine, generation of gaming, cpu/gpu capabilities.

For their time PES 5/6 was a 9/10 game, eFootball 22 is a 5/10 overall, and FIFA 22 is 8/10 (to my opinion)

It s a matter of taste, I value more the unpredictability, the randomness, the physics and the freedom a game provides me.
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Oh but that's a more than respectable position; in fact I don't think I argued at all about the things you answered me here. I was just saying that people don't play games of even 4-5 years ago out of nostalgia, but because they truly derive more objective pleasure from those ones. You rightfully enjoy modern mechanics and freedom, somebody else may find joy in watching CPU single players having more personality, or in a ML with more depth and options, or in the kind of simple randomness that got lost in the years. It's personal tastes and it's perfectly fine.
 
guorfan said:
I think this thread explains everything happened inside konami and why we have now the worst football game made ever. Thanks for sharing @The_Knight
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Seitaro Kimura, IGN interview 21 Jul 2021:

One of the key figures behind that shift is series producer Seitaro Kimura, who spoke to IGN ahead of the announcement, and explained more of the thinking around it. "We started planning this move roughly two years ago to coincide with the console generation transition and changes in the market environment," he tells us, before explaining that PES Mobile's huge success acted as a blueprint for the wider shift. "I believe that we have already proven that this structure can be successful on mobile. By applying the same model across all platforms, we hope that more football fans will be able to play this game on consoles as well."
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https://www.ign.com/articles/efootball-pes-2022-interview-changes-details
 
vialli82 said:
From the goal i saw posted here from Dudu, or vids from i don't remember who, i can say it's pretty differently handled in terms of dribbling, passing speed, shoot. I saw PES 2021 with more animations in those goals, well there wasn't any bug.
But played, i don't know, it's probably the feeling no? Because that's very weird, i don't see at all Fifa in that area.
I don't want to try it and focus on 2 others projects (i prefers it to wait for something that may never happen : a debbuged version in all area) and i prefers to forgot about it.
But i can't make without asking or checking some of your impressions. I imagine it's all about the feeling while you're in control then, even if the result is different from Fifa.
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It's hard to describe in details, it's mostly the feel... I played one match online, Lazio-Bayern. Won 2-0 but it was no fun, it felt like I'm not impacting the game too much, and the game itself is just deciding how it has to be played. In PES21 I can slow down the tempo when I want to retain possession, or play a fast first touch web of passes, play counter, attacking from the wings, etc...
eFootball reminded me of the 12 hours I spent with FIFA21, a soulless football game that left me totally unsatisfied.
 
Well, the more i play Fifa, in different leagues/cup, the more i found it more than acceptable (let's say i won't invest myself on it on a full career, but some games times to times... Which was completely impossible since Fifa 19) but i see what you mean. I imagine the feel. From a long time ISS PES FIFA player, i felt that thing on a lot of game.

Well not only on football, for example i love Dark Souls series but the 2 was souless (weird from a game with "souls" on it haha) but i felt pleasure to play as overall, it was a die and retry game. And some weapons given a different feeling and changed the gameplay.
The issue was the big bosse behind Artistical and Level design wasn't there to build the game. But he's not alone to create it, so it was something very solid. Just less "dark", more colorfull, and some weird design and some bosses was more "random" in their pattern. One thing that Miyazaki never do : there's not a single boss he managed that you could won against by chance.

So if i got to make a comparison i would imagine weapon as corrective let's say. I don't think it's totally impossible to changes things, when you see the status of developpement the game was released... There's not only bug that got to be changed mate.
 
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HE started to to think about that choice 2 years ago and probably worked on it, helped with perhaps 2 or 3 people, for online i believe (as he's probably the "online" guy) not THEY. He transforming his project into a great project but on his head and when he's interviewed, but i'm sure it wasn't the inital one at all.

While Kei Matsuda was doing something else, but it would have took too much time for Konami, Covid issue or not.
All the money they lost, as Casino closed for a big while in Japan. Quick, quick, needed money, in any cost. With the last thing they still gotted (check the bourse status as it was posted some times ago, it's catastrophic)
 
TBH, I really can't stomach that, whenever some people prefer old-school stuff (be it music, movies, video games, whatever), others automatically cry out "rose tinted glasses", "nostalgia glasses", or whatnot.

Those of us who love the earlier installments of PES are as entitled to our opinion as those who prefer "efootball". And the overwhelmingly negative response this game has elicited makes me think that it's not just "nostalgia". It's not just us old-schoolers shaking our fists. It's most of the footballing gaming world. There's something there, tangible solid and real, like I said earlier, the soul of the much beloved PES series, that is being lost in this new version.

Gameplay can be improved and modded upon. But unless decent and robust offline modes return, and Konami acknowledges that there are a lot of us who stayed loyal because of these modes, "efootball 2022" is meaningless to me.
 
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