eFootball (All Platforms)

Mazen2020 said:
That's laughable.
PES introduced the through-ball and soon after Fifa implemented as well. Good things should be copied. Ball shielding and using an analog stick to set the walking speed to any value between 0% and 100% just makes sense.

The more I read here, the more I think most veterans grew old, bitter and fear change. They are like the Simpsons' meme "Am I out of touch? No it's the younger generation that's out of touch!".

I play PES since ISS and then followed by winning eleven 1. But even I can see that free2play is the future.
Click to expand...

Your forgetting "Veterans" have seen more change than most. Don't play divide and rule around here.

When You have played the F2P game, you will realise its shallow gameplay depth but great depth of spinning the wheel.

The sooner loot boxes are fucked off for good the better. Its enticement for Younger generation, nothing else.

Its spoiling a lot of gaming in general.
 
After many months of planning, we finally revealed #eFootball to the world - and with a full IGN homepage takeover no less. Change is often difficult, but I believe the end result will be worth it - a free-to-play, built for everyone football platform that will evolve over time. A massive team effort from everyone at Konami Digital Entertainment and our agencies across EMEA - lots of work ahead.
Click to expand...

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/owenadkins_efootball-activity-6824379287466999809-zo4W
 
majuh said:
I obviously never saw these betting machines in action, but I think there are two possible outcomes for each situation, so basically you're betting on whether it plays cutscene #1 or cutscene #2 next.
Click to expand...
Aha, I understand now. Too bad PES doesn't have that kind of realistic animation so far...
 
Sadly I think EA's "Preview Pack" solution to loot boxes being classed as gambling may actually let them evade the potential regulations and it'll probably be just as lucrative.

https://www.ea.com/games/fifa/fifa-21/news/pitch-notes-fifa21-preview-packs

Basically you see exactly what's in the pack when you buy it, but to get another one you either have to buy the (likely crap) current pack before seeing what's in the next one, or wait 24 real life hours for it to refresh. It's still gambling on what's in the next pack, but because at the point of sale of the current one you see what's in it, it's probably not technically gambling.

I hope any regulations would be strong enough to close these kinds of loopholes, but tbh I don't really have any confidence even the current lootboxes will be banned.
 
rojofa said:
Sadly I think EA's "Preview Pack" solution to loot boxes being classed as gambling may actually let them evade the potential regulations and it'll probably be just as lucrative.

https://www.ea.com/games/fifa/fifa-21/news/pitch-notes-fifa21-preview-packs

Basically you see exactly what's in the pack when you buy it, but to get another one you either have to buy the (likely crap) current pack before seeing what's in the next one, or wait 24 real life hours for it to refresh. It's still gambling on what's in the next pack, but because at the point of sale of the current one you see what's in it, it's probably not technically gambling.

I hope any regulations would be strong enough to close these kinds of loopholes, but tbh I don't really have any confidence even the current lootboxes will be banned.
Click to expand...
That is an ingenious workaround for them to be fair.

If it wasn't so heinous, I would applaud them.
 
superleeds1 said:
When You have played the F2P game, you will realise its shallow gameplay depth but great depth of spinning the wheel.

The sooner loot boxes are fucked off for good the better. Its enticement for Younger generation, nothing else.
Click to expand...
But you know that they got rid of loot boxes and you can directly get the players you want?
 
Mazen2020 said:
But you know that they got rid of loot boxes and you can directly get the players you want?
Click to expand...
So you, before even the game mode itself has not been presented, and based on an "announcement", you are 101% sure, that loot boxes are over and only player market will be the pool to acquire players?
 
Offline modes are even less the main focus than in the last years. Plus I would consider the fact that the cross platform with mobiles probably means a dumbed down gameplay. All in all the best we can hope is a decent game in 2022, the worst case scenario is a shitshow that would make us reevaluate the beauty of PES08...
 
Chuny said:
Am I the only one beginning to feel a tad annoyed by all these memes and out of context pictures that are supposed to be funny (even though more often than not, they are not funny at all)?.

Please let me know, so I can try to work on myself, if I am indeed the only one.
Click to expand...
Why not a special thread for this meme users and then you delete the thread forever for each year? Meme makes a lot of work and we love it.

//////////

*Sniff *Sniff

"I Smell the stinky feets of messi miles away from France"
 
Last edited:
Dr Force said:
Well if you want to save a load of waffle and just read the most telling bit as to why it’s dead as a lead next gen game…I’ve captured it for you

View attachment 114351
Click to expand...

So mobile, gotcha.

Ps5 game will be a mobile game with prettier graphics, nothing shocking considering how awful the beta was. Anyone expecting something drastically improved on that is deluded.

Also, gameplay will be severely dumbed down.

This is BY FAR the worst decision they ever took in relation to Pes. Oh, yeah, i forgot, it's not Pes, it's Efootball. So, this is the first of many decisions that will bring to the death of Efootball just like releasing a f2p game with demo content, making people wait months for actual content.

I honestly don't see how it can go any other way than completely dead in few years at best.
 
Ameppe said:
So mobile, gotcha.

Ps5 game will be a mobile game with prettier graphics, nothing shocking considering how awful the beta was. Anyone expecting something drastically improved on that is deluded.

Also, gameplay will be severely dumbed down.

This is BY FAR the worst decision they ever took in relation to Pes. Oh, yeah, i forgot, it's not Pes, it's Efootball. So, this is the first of many decisions that will bring to the death of Efootball just like releasing a f2p game with demo content, making people wait months for actual content.

I honestly don't see how it can go any other way than completely dead in few years at best.
Click to expand...
I see PES players (those who still care about gameplay, not online gambling) transfering to FIFA ... if EA at least could expand those sliders, or make game possible to mod somehow so that modders can make a little more realistic FIFA.

What a turn, PES going full online-gambling-market, and FIFA (this year) going mostly gameplay improvements (machine learning for animations being biggest new game improvement)
 
I wonder if Konami's bad management can be a big opportunity for 2K Games, better said, 2K Sports (Take Two).
In the past, they took on EA and won the battle for NBA, but left the football department alone (I was thinking because of Konami and PES), but now things might change in the next few years

If I am not mistaken, their last football game was UEFA Champions League Season 2001/2002
 
Pistol90 said:
I see PES players (those who still care about gameplay, not online gambling) transfering to FIFA ... if EA at least could expand those sliders, or make game possible to mod somehow so that modders can make a little more realistic FIFA.

What a turn, PES going full online-gambling-market, and FIFA (this year) going mostly gameplay improvements (machine learning for animations being biggest new game improvement)
Click to expand...

Well, i wouldn't say so. Fifa will still be the biggest gambling machine videogame ever.

Callmev said:
I wonder if Konami's bad management can be a big opportunity for 2K Games, better said, 2K Sports (Take Two).
In the past, they took on EA and won the battle for NBA, but left the football department alone (I was thinking because of Konami and PES), but now things might change in the next few years

If I am not mistaken, their last football game was UEFA Champions League Season 2001/2002
Click to expand...

2k is bad too lately about microtransactions and gambling. We really need someone else.
 
Ameppe said:
Well, i wouldn't say so. Fifa will still be the biggest gambling machine videogame ever.



2k is bad too lately about microtransactions and gambling. We really need someone else.
Click to expand...
FIFA and 2K are biggest gambling machine ever ...

I am just talking about this year game ... PES is all about microtransactions and gambling, and this year FIFA has decent amount of gameplay improvements (I guess they reach a top peak when it comes to kids gambling and gouverment not taking actions, so they cant risk it anymore)
 
Ameppe said:
So mobile, gotcha.

Ps5 game will be a mobile game with prettier graphics, nothing shocking considering how awful the beta was. Anyone expecting something drastically improved on that is deluded.

Also, gameplay will be severely dumbed down.

This is BY FAR the worst decision they ever took in relation to Pes. Oh, yeah, i forgot, it's not Pes, it's Efootball. So, this is the first of many decisions that will bring to the death of Efootball just like releasing a f2p game with demo content, making people wait months for actual content.

I honestly don't see how it can go any other way than completely dead in few years at best.
Click to expand...

I was watching a documentary on the history of PES and it was sad to contrast the decisions taken in those days with the decisions being taken today.



At 15:40 - you can see where they got the idea for duel mode and 1v1s. When you put it into the context of what that game/series represented as opposed to PES philosophically, then it tells you a lot about the (likely limited) future of the IP
 
lastbreath said:
Jesus, people are so oversensitive pussies nowadays! If KONAMI declared agreement with ukrainian Premier League dressed like ukrainian cossack with pork fat in their hands I would have died laughing. Would it be racist? Obviously! Would it offend me? HELL NO!
Click to expand...
I agree with you! I just may not have expressed myself exactly as I would like, my English is not very good. I'm very conservative in this case and more liberal for others, however! I just try to predict what would happen once Twitter mobs saw it! We live in stupid times where everything is racist and everything is offensive, and we are divided more than ever..! but ... it's also another topic.
 
Honestly, even with all negativity and shit. I'm up for some eFootball come september, can't wait to see how worse or better it got. PES21 DP7 is wack IMO, too buggy and kinda delayed. Early september I urge players to pull up FUMA on divisions.. le go
 
staffan said:
I was watching a documentary on the history of PES and it was sad to contrast the decisions taken in those days with the decisions being taken today.



At 15:40 - you can see where they got the idea for duel mode and 1v1s. When you put it into the context of what that game/series represented as opposed to PES philosophically, then it tells you a lot about the (likely limited) future of the IP
Click to expand...
What did the ISS series represented dude? (my inner fan boy self was triggered)

Not speaking for the particular last 2 iterations of ISS, but the whole series.
 
Konami Digital Entertainment B.V. has today confirmed its digital participation in gamescom 2021, the world’s largest event for computer and video games.

As a gamescom partner, KONAMI will feature new announcements and content for the recently announced eFootball™, the free-to-play football simulation platform, and Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel, the most complete Yu-Gi-Oh! TRADING CARD GAME title yet.

gamescom is the world’s largest event for computer and video games and Europe’s largest business platform for the games industry. gamescom 2021 will be held exclusively in digital format from Wednesday, August 25 to Friday, August 27, 2021. On-site events in Cologne will not take place this year. gamescom is jointly organized by Koelnmesse and game – the German Games Industry Association.

Source: https://www.konami.com/games/eu/en/topics/15988/
 
Mathgamer said:
Konami Digital Entertainment B.V. has today confirmed its digital participation in gamescom 2021, the world’s largest event for computer and video games.

As a gamescom partner, KONAMI will feature new announcements and content for the recently announced eFootball™, the free-to-play football simulation platform, [...]

Source: https://www.konami.com/games/eu/en/topics/15988/
Click to expand...
Vicky says: "Yea, but, no but, yea but, no but..."
Konami: hold my eBeer


:LOL:

Is this finally or will it change Konamis mind in some days back to first, that they will not at the gamescon this year.
 
Mazen2020 said:
But you know that they got rid of loot boxes and you can directly get the players you want?
Click to expand...
Indeed, it looks like they may well be looking beyond a lootbox focus. But that shouldn't yet be cause for joy. The game is F2P – i.e., fee to pay.

How will they make money if they don't put gambling elements into the game? The same way other developers have been doing it. We know there's a battle pass equivalent already. Kimura has come out and said "it's not pay-to-win" – we'll see about that. Konami marking their own homework ahead of time.

For the uninitiated, a lot of F2P games these days (or even paid games) allow you to play a "season" of their content, and in the process you unlock certain items and benefits the more playtime you put in. Where the passes come into the picture is in allowing you better benefits or attaining the benefits more easily. So it's essentially paywalling a lot of the content, and splitting the playerbase into a tiered hierarchy of those who either pay or grind a whole lot, and those who don't. Some passes can be generous, others stingy; likewise, what you get for free can be extensive, where the only extras are "cosmetic".

But even there, there's exploitation. Mobile developers in particular consult a lot of behavioural psychology about how to influence their players – one key mechanism, e.g., is by instilling "FOMO" (fear of missing out), the sort of thing one gets by seeing other players spend and get cool things that you don't have access to.

Another means of making money is by paywalling things that you would ordinarily take to be part of the experience – famously, Konami themselves charged money for save slots in Metal Gear Survive.

Obviously, also there's paid DLC – but the game going F2P is not aiming to make loads of money from game modes released as DLC.

And lastly, there's advertising. Mobile games have this a lot. Where you have to sit through an advert or else pay to skip. We're not there in console/PC games yet (though EA tried with UFC 4 and came up against a huge backlash), but that could still be in the pipeline – who knows.

So simply getting rid of lootboxes (if in fact they have) is not the end of exploitative microtransactions which make the playing experience qualitatively worse. Most free to play games survive because they find a way to exploit compulsive spenders and children, and otherwise make a steady stream of regular but small purchases from the less compulsive types.

The fear is very real that this will be both cheap and expensive at the same time.
 
Carles P. said:
Vicky says: "Yea, but, no but, yea but, no but..."
Konami: hold my eBeer


:LOL:

Is this finally or will it change Konamis mind in some days back to first, that they will not at the gamescon this year.
Click to expand...
UnevenOccasionalKitfox-max-1mb.gif

The voices from beyond the shisha smoke say.... MAYBE!

:LOL:
 
Mazen2020 said:
That's laughable.
PES introduced the through-ball and soon after Fifa implemented as well. Good things should be copied. Ball shielding and using an analog stick to set the walking speed to any value between 0% and 100% just makes sense.
Click to expand...
Ball shielding has always been a matter of debate.

The different development approaches of Konami and EA up to this point haven't really been distinguished by one being behind the times and the other ahead. It's often been a difference of development philosophy.

Ball shielding was the perfect example: in PES it triggered contextually, as did SO many other parts of the game. When that contextual trigger felt natural, it ended up making the play and the animations seem very realistic indeed. When it triggered unnaturally, it felt infuriating, like you had no control over what's happening.

But that's at the heart of the philosophy difference: an emphasis on control vs an emphasis on simplicity. In the 1v1 online space in particular, giving total control to players (in FIFA) has meant a dizzying array of button commands and an unnatural representation of football on the pitch, as competitors launch their commands in novel ways to get the upper hand, where the game is now a special digital thing called FIFA and no longer a simulation of football.

By implementing the button command for shielding, there's a risk Konami either merges incoherent developmental philosophies or just shifts entirely over to an EA one. That would have its own merits and problems, but it wouldn't be simply implementing a feature.

And the early signs on the NFGOPT were not good: the shielding could be triggered so free of context that you didn't need any players around you to start shielding. Meanwhile, when a player approached, if you timed it right, you could send them flying with your arse.
 
lastbreath said:
F2P is not a probem.
Mobile F2P is.

Crossplatform is not a problem
Crossplatform with mobile devices is.

Mobile is the main threat, that's why everyone is worried. Mobile donate games are the biggest scum in gaming industry.
Click to expand...
You make a good point but I disagree with F2P not being a problem. Konami have done this so everyone migrates to myClub and is forced to play online. They want us to download the game ASAP as it won’t cost us a dime and then get hooked on that disgusting fantasy game mode where kids enjoy having a front 3 of Maradona, Neymar and Usain Bolt - all bought using dad’s credit card.

And then they ALL use Klopp’s 433 system completely bypassing the midfield. It’s turgid rubbish.

Also, PES has been awful online since I can remember. Their cheap ass server always takes an age to find a player and when you do, it’s usually laggy - and the game is already too heavy and awkward anyway, so adding lag to an already sluggish game where the players turn like tanks is frustrating to say the least.

We are being forced to play it online - unless you are happy playing exhibition games until Master League arrives in 2022.
 
Jay's Earring said:
You make a good point but I disagree with F2P not being a problem. Konami have done this so everyone migrates to myClub and is forced to play online. They want us to download the game ASAP as it won’t cost us a dime and then get hooked on that disgusting fantasy game mode where kids enjoy having a front 3 of Maradona, Neymar and Usain Bolt - all bought using dad’s credit card.
Click to expand...
You are right but I think you forget that the people who make money off this (apart from the company itself - Konami) , the content creators who hugely play MyClub (or FUT on EA's side of things), they are the people who actually spend their money on it and make those videos, and that is what encourages the younger people, to do the same. You can not say that it is all down to the young people, I don't doubt the fact that young people would still be onto this spending habit on FUT / MyClub but the amount of people encouraged / intrigued to get into this habit in the first place by the people who make the MyClub content is HUGE. I don't see much of the myclub content on PC / Console PES , except for 1 guy who I don't remember was on my recommended, but mostly its on the Mobile side of things - for which at the end of the day, this game is catered to, the mobile market.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom