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The saddest thing about all of this is our fault our fault because waiting years for a proper football game waiting years for proper offline modes and waiting years for a new engine and supporting konami buying their games, wasting time editing them and buying coins and now we have this, this will not be never over, if we as community stop playing and buying only that time maybe we could have a proper football game if they start to work but while we still buying and buying with those microtransactions game will never be good and we will still having 5, 6, 10 minutes matches as global improvements even not mention to gameplay at all which just become trash and I am not the only one who thinks like that and I am not a hater at all but is just a shame this
Couldn't disagree more. It's so lazy to blame the customer for the behaviour of the business. It's rather inconsistent, too, if you really want to pin down Konami (and the industry more broadly) on the ethics of having gambling and microtransactions in their games: the big problem with these revenue-generation methods is how they are used to exploit people. So you plainly can't try to offer that critique and in the same breath blame the people exploited by those mechanisms. (Maybe you don't offer that criticism? I certainly do.)

Now, I'm not exactly fond of those who spend loads on a game like this – the whales – nor am I a fan of those who spend a smaller but regular amount. It's frankly annoying that the game/industry is able to sustain itself with these sorts of purchases, and it's sad that customers' standards for the value of a game have dropped so considerably. But it is not ultimately their fault – not unless you sign up to a quite libertarian conception of autonomy which sees all their purchasing decisions as themselves simply mini expressions of freedom.

If you take the sort of view I do, by contrast, what you have in front of you is this: an industry (and certain big players within it, such as Konami) that has...
  • cultivated a shift in how gamers evaluate the monetary worth of games
  • sought successively to normalise payments for privileges in games
  • often deployed manipulative behavioural psychology techniques to do so
  • often targeted children and young gamers to create these wholesale expectations
  • and distributed the increased wealth extracted from playerbases to shareholders in the form of dividends and executives in the form of bonuses
Not to mention that all of these changes/strategies are taking place in a punishing global capitalist market where gaming provides a form of recreation and release from the stresses of production. So it's gone from being an activity people use to distance themselves from exploitation to being an activity which perpetuates exploitation (and none of this is yet to mention the way workers are exploited in the production of games).

The cultural role and habit of playing games recreationally is what industry exploitation has taken advantage of, much as, say, Sky Sports and private broadcasters took control of football television programming, and billionaire clubs have taken control of football stadiums and exploited fans to new levels. Such processes are especially sinister, because when you bring into focus the pre-existing social practices that undergird them, you can see how the "decision" to play videogames (or watch football on television, or watch it in the stands) is not some free-floating exercise of choice but something we are deeply drawn to and often require.

Given that cultural pull to play games, it's unavoidable that lots of people will get sucked into the industry changes to the market, will have their perceptions changed about what is normal and what has value. So I really cannot hold in contempt the ordinary gamer for buying loot boxes and other microtransactions, even their getting excited about it and broadcasting it (I do not withhold such contempt for those in outsized positions of influence, though, such as PES YouTubers promoting MTX). Nor can I hold them ultimately responsible.
 

We have what we deserve, keep defending konami, keep defending all shit they are throwing over his fan base, keep defending efootball and keep buying coins, premiums packs or what ever they try to sell us
Is a fucking shame
Came here to post this news, and call Konami every insult I could think of.

But it's because of the audience, isn't it? It's made for people to "pick up and play".

I don't know how many times Konami have made it crystal clear that PES was abandoned to make a multi-platform game built primarily for mobiles (don't forget all the mobile UI elements) that generates as much microtransaction cash as possible.

Stop treating it like anything else. If you do, you are lying to yourself.

(Speaking of the microtransactions, check out this shite - tweet after tweet about how you too can spend money on eFootball. No mention of the above bad news though! Makes my blood boil to see people dancing so merrily to Konami's tune. They're just adverts, pure and simple.)



Their desired audience is the mobile gamer who gets bored in five minutes. This is a natural evolution of the new product. It'll only get worse from here, but it's already bad enough. Yet somehow, even after Konami kicked the fanbase of one of its core gaming franchises to the floor and stomped on their head by making a heavily simplified, laggy crapfest of a game... it's not enough to make that fanbase stop thinking it's all just stage one of them making the best football game ever, cos "the king is back".

The king was killed off by Konami themselves. All football games will be desperate FUT clones going forward. Gaming has changed. We are the old guard. Our time is done. We don't spend enough. They don't want us. Don't be the desperate dumped ex who can't move on. They don't want us. Get your PS2 out and get so deep into a Master League you forget PES is dead.

(I am a huge hypocrite and I'll give every new update a go. But I am the sad pathetic ex. Don't be like me.)
 
Sigh. This 6 minute bullshit should in a normal world be met with universal outrage but there are always one or indeed two of these in between
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The F**K are you clowns even on... I'd give you a piece of my mind but you have clearly already lost it so it doesn't matter.
 
No I disagree...I just call it randonmess and I like it
In Serie A I have seen sloppy goalkeeper errors with the same results

Randomness is good, old PES had randomness and goalkeeping howlers, but if you think that looks realistic you need a trip to an eye clinic because you are suffering from macular degeneration. What the hell are those physics? The keeper puts his arms up and the ball randomly cannons into the ground? Absolute dogshit like everything about this student project of a game.
 
Randomness is good, old PES had randomness and goalkeeping howlers, but if you think that looks realistic you need a trip to an eye clinic because you are suffering from macular degeneration. What the hell are those physics? The keeper puts his arms up and the ball randomly cannons into the ground? Absolute dogshit like everything about this student project of a game.
Please do not insult and respect my opinion, which is as worth as yours.
With difference that you are a rude person.
Please try to moderate the way you speak
 
Please do not insult and respect my opinion, which is as worth as yours.
With difference that you are a rude person.
Please try to moderate the way you speak
It's fine to insult your opinion, just not your person. He's not finding out that you (say) actually have eyesight issues and then bullying you about them: he's using a funny metaphor to mock your view. Not all views are valid. The claim that those gameplay clips were realistic because they contained randomness is false, and it equivocates on different meanings of randomness. It doesn't look like football.
 
It's fine to insult your opinion, just not your person. He's not finding out that you (say) actually have eyesight issues and then bullying you about them: he's using a funny metaphor to mock your view. Not all views are valid. The claim that those gameplay clips were realistic because they contained randomness is false, and it equivocates on different meanings of randomness. It doesn't look like football.
No, yours is a sneaky distinction:
not only my opinion, but also my person has been the subject of disrespectful and vulgar comments about my visual ability.
this way of behaving toward another user, culpable of expressing his opinion is not correct.
And you know this very well, don't be hypocritical.
 
Yeah, I can't hate the conned here (other players) and instead reserve that hatred for the con-men who are essentially every major games publisher out there.

They are going to make a fortune off of this, sadly. The only hope now is trickle down of funds into development of the single player content, of which they have promised and with this news have sent both my demands and expectations into the stratosphere. That isn't me being naïve, more those are my conditions!
 
If you guys wondering why konami is like this and specially PES... Lets remember some history that all became with fired of hideo kojima who produced fox engine which would be main engine for PES series and how far were mentality of kojima and CEO from konami
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What was the news I missed? The quoted tweet has been deleted?
It claimed Konami have announced match times are being lowered from 10 minutes to 6 minutes in some modes following the next update, but I believe it's now being argued that Konami's wording must mean "a 6 minute match time option is being added alongside the 10 minute option".

The tweet pointed out that this is absolutely incredible dev work and we are all infinitely excited to play matches for marginally more (or significantly less) time, and they should be worshipped as Gods. (I added the Gods bit.)

In other news...



Reader, I nearly smashed my controller against the wall.
 
Still don't play that game. It's like it doesn't exist to me. For the moment. Perhaps later, and i'm good without trying again and again sincerely.
I got a lot of patience, but whatever if the game still like that, in every way i've already made my resolve : just switch it. Playing retro like i did right now.
I don't see others football game, or more thrust them, as to me they're even worst than that demo beta game.

I really don't care since there's no way to create or play offline Cup/League/ML/Created teams (Bundes or whatever) in all tranquillity.

But on every vids showing weird stuff, all i see is the ugly ball physics. Not that much in terms of direction, but the ball rebound, speed difference etc.
When i see that, i exactly remember while i was young and for fun, with played with a ball made for Basketball (well a Basket... Ball)

I talk about the ones in all in gum, not like a Spalding a with some leather over it.
 
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Embarrasing information is still there, so they consider having 6 minutes matches instead of 10 minutes matches is a global improvement, is an insult for us

Less time for stupid things to happen. So probably it is an improvement I guess...


I played this a few times over the past 5 weeks or so, although I always said I wouldn't touch it. But when it comes to football games, I'm an idiot. And surprisingly I got the "one more match" feeling and for me it was a little breath of fresh air. Which of course is a terrible sign for the state of nowadays football games. But since the latest update I'm done with it (besides the fact I'm bored of 10 minutes night games with my fantasy team).
 

We have what we deserve, keep defending konami, keep defending all shit they are throwing over his fan base, keep defending efootball and keep buying coins, premiums packs or what ever they try to sell us
Is a fucking shame
I can't see the tweet. It's unavailable. Who's it from and what was it about?
 
I see all stadiums being accessible on twitter, but in game this is not the case, e.g. Celtic has even posted on its official channel, how do you get access to all stadiums?
Am I missing something?
 
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