EA SPORTS FC 25

Chris Davies said:
Well I have to admit - and it's nice to add some positivity - I played with friends tonight, using Anth's "slow mod" with a couple of tweaks ("normal speed passing", "easier less-pressing defence" and "freer ball")... and we had an absolute blast.

It felt just right for long spells, with less skating/sliding, more believable physics, and some really nice moments of intelligent play. Wide variety of outcomes from each contact, wide variety of scorelines (first game was Liverpool 4-1 RB Leipzig, which was worrying, next game was Bologna 1-0 Liverpool, which was nice). One of the best experiences I've had for a while.

However... One thing we noticed... Have the goalkeepers been made into traffic cones again in a recent update?

When I played the 10hr trial, I didn't see a single moment where the keeper ignored the ball (which would happen all the time in 24).

Tonight, three times in a row, an average-speed shot was hit around the edge of the area, and the keeper simply collapsed onto their knees, keeping their arms glued to their sides, and watched the ball pass them within easy reach.

That happened constantly in 24 - just another reason why goals felt completely unsatisfying - and it looks like it's back now. Unless it's related to the shooting changes in the mod and the keepers aren't reading the shots correctly.
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Hey man! Great to hear you’re enjoying it. I’ve been reading the thread and I don’t want to obviously make it about the mod, but regarding keepers…..

I’d say 98% of people using it haven’t had an issue with keepers, with some even using the weaker goalkeeper option. I haven’t run into any strange occurrences myself either. I know one or two people have, so not sure exactly as it seems to be very uncommon.

Since the game has come out I’ve come across comments in general where people say the keepers in fc25 are either OP or complete statues…so it’s definitely a strange one!
 
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Chris Davies said:
Well that was unexpected...

FC25 demo out now!

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i downloaded it 2 days ago since i wanna try the game and possibly buy it.but i just cant play ..it always gives a account restricted and cant connect to the ea servers error.im on pc anyone has a solution??
 
I was reading randomly some reviews on my XSX about FC25. They was around 60% one star reviews. The Kids dikslike the GP from FUT and FUT in general.
One kid had really wrote that he cant win with his 90 pace players v CPU in this cash grabbing mode FUT.

I hope so, so, so much that EA ignore these poor bastards. Yea, there bugs in every mode. But since years we have with FC25 a very good base GP.
 
Chris Davies said:
This is why I asked - to see if it was the same on the vanilla console versions (with or without sim settings).

I was assuming from @Hels The Ronin's reply that it was!
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On PS5 pro/Series X, the Gaolkeepers are really great. You just need to put the sliders at 65/65.

PC version didn't playing like the consoles version. A friend has tested and sliders didn't have the same feeling at all.
 
Byronic said:
You mention a lot of, I mean really a lot of cosmetic mods which enhance PES 2021. Of course I notice you also mentioned the great work of Gameplay Modders like Holland, Tufkar, Alex I guess and all the other Guys who tried to "really change" the basic PES 2021 Gameplay to somewhat better.

The cosmetic Part of PES 2021 is really awesome. The Game looks with all those enhancements really not worse or outdated even we speaking from a Game which is not updated by his Producers since 4 years. So no other Game profit from that fact as much as PES 2021 does. The community is outstanding loyal, still, even the Game is 4 years old. So modders still put their love and effort into it to make the game beautiful.

But let´s speak about the Gameplay you mentioned which should be "significantly" a game changer. Even I like FIFA/FC more, I have still PES 2021 on my HDD, currently with the great ISS 1996/1997 Classic Mod installed. I also a Member here in the Forum since 2017 or 2018 because of PES Mods. I discovered the FIFA section just later.

So I modded PES 2021 for a long time for myself. I tried so many GP Patches but they all can´t delete that awful scripting which hits every Player after a while back into a send him back to many many flaws of the basic GP feel. The fact PES 2021 must be mainly get modded through the Game exe have not much pros.

You can mod the dt18 for sure but that doesn´t do the trick. Not long ago there was a mod from Twiggy I guess which gives hope to walkaround the scripting of the Game based on Cheat engine. I also tried it but after a while... yeah... the Game become scripted again.

I gave up because the basics of the Game are: Players not respond fast enough to the interaction around them, the AI can make what they ever wanna do without a big impact from myself and my AI controlled Teammates which leading into frustrating Matches. The gap between Professional Game difficulty and the next difficulty Levels are really worse imo. I can shine on Professional and score some Goals, but otherwise playing on Superstar a.e. I face a awful series of 0:0 or 1:1 or 0:1 Match results. No dynamic, no action on the Pitch. Call me a bad Player but I know many many other Players are facing the same. And that is than called realistic?

Of course FC is much more arcade Gameplay, but with mods there already filled the gap between completly unrealistic GP like you see on that terrifying You Tube Channels of those FUT playing kiddos which always give the image of an childish attempt to make a football game. But the scene comes gameplay-wise in depth when you play FC with a Gameplay mod and gives a wider range of simulation Game than ever before.

GP Mods by AnthJames, Paul-v, Danielz etc. have more to offer what YouTube Videos can give you an impression from. It´s not about all that above because I hate PES 2021, it´s more the fact imo that the base of FC 24 or FC 25 currently gives modders with Frosty Tools a huge range to create a more settled and realistic direction of a Football Game than PES 2021 Base can offer.

Nah, I don´t say FC is a dream game or near to perfection, but there are in fact only 2 Football Games to choose. PES and FC/FIFA, and that makes it really difficult to speak about more choices for every of us Players. It´s good we have 2 Games with completly different directions to play. So we all have always stuff to discuss.

But honestly, Mate, to tell a Console Player like @simogto90 PES 2021 have GP Mods which are significantly impact of how PES 2021 plays is a bit over the top for me. And cosmetic mods like net server, every worlds Stadiums etc. makes the core Game related to GP not disappear.

No offense to you in personal, but that´s my personal opinion to the everylasting discussion on those 2 Game franchise. And sorry for the long post, but sometimes it comes out of me. :D
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What a straight to the point answer. PES 21 is a scripted mess which will haunt your players and handicap them from reacting/scoring at crucial moments just for the sake of fake realism
 
SiddyBoy said:
What a straight to the point answer. PES 21 is a scripted mess which will haunt your players and handicap them from reacting/scoring at crucial moments just for the sake of fake realism
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On master league and at certain points during master league , I agree with that , but not in other modes. At the end of the day choose your poison because no game is perfect but for me nothing about FC25 resembles football especially the players movement or complete lack of it
 
SiddyBoy said:
What a straight to the point answer. PES 21 is a scripted mess which will haunt your players and handicap them from reacting/scoring at crucial moments just for the sake of fake realism
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That's your resentment, but i don't have that feeling of super scripted at all, at least by far less scripted than any FIFA since the 21 (20 was too easy in any difficulty to me).
I asked proof of scripting everywhere with vids about what you're saying, i never got one answers, while in Fifa i see tons of vids with the ball completely moving from their natural trajectory to aim to the goal...

Like said Chris Davies one or two pages ago said there's compromise to do as it's difficult to create a football game. But not magic stuffs transforming trajectory as the way it's programmed the ball MUST completely change the direction even if the ball was aiming elsewhere on the pitch, just to get the perfect pass or shoot like the game was programmed.

Thats e-sports logic, i just can handle it, as i totally hate when a sports game totally walk ashamed on laws of football and physics.
We didn't have it since Esports, and the last following that rule was Fifa 17. To me the last pretty good Fifa.
Even with bad gameplay choice and rigid stuffs i don't found a PES "totally" messing up with it (perhaps a little but i don't see it even in slowdown)

Now, we are not on any PES thread, but no game can please to everyone as we're waiting different priority regarding what we want to get enhanced or changed...
 
I have a ridiculous amount of hours streaming the game unlisted to my YouTube. I do this so I can review if some kind of topic or issue is being discussed. I genuinely cannot find, or remember, a moment in which the ball trajectory changes randomly. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, because there are videos out there that show it, but I can say from my experience that it has been extremely rare.
 
It's an example, i wanted to say about logic that there's tons of animations doesn't fit, physically, to where the ball is aiming.
+ Tons of stuffs like that like all players ultra agility that pushed me out of the game. Especially since the current-gen movement which all seems in fast forward (never tried the 21, and i didn't liked the 20 in comparison to PES 2020 bring to me simply)

The thing i hate the most ball isn't linked to the players movement or the players animations should be different regarding what they do. A weak pass or shoot super fast, an header on the right and the ball is aiming on the left. It's perhaps animations bugs, i don't know, but i just can tolerate this.
On Fifa 17 yes the ball got sometimes very weird behavior like i remind an hyper pass at 250 mph going from on side of the pitch to another, but it was clearly bugs, not gameplay choice.
And i suppose that what we see like "the cpu decided to the pass going on the left even if the player foot can't fit with that direction" is an e-sport thing, a gameplay choice.
It's totally normal to talk about variety if the gameplay is above all laws even fundamentals and simple logic. Then there's defense i can't stand for X reasons, balance, midfiels etc.

It's not even arcade related, is more an e-sport thing. An e-sport game made with e-sport players for e-sports players...

Now those things can certainely be restored with sliders, and you may found happyness with it and, above all, mods, then it's okay no problems. I'm not insulting any people taste lol.
But it should be hard to programs them as you got to fight against nature/how the game really is. And i understand totally that we really all miss our average or good yearly and complete physical release. And more than all : improvement, real 2025 next-gen improvement. I'm with you on it, and i brought 2 versions, i forced myself, tried sliders (Ps5) and i felt like a masochist.

I won't at all criticize your devotion for making people happier with sliders, it's a hard job and you did it well and playing with your sliders or others Operation Sports ones makes the game pretty better on the flow. You can't do anything against the lack of fundamentals, but at least you're fighting for it : sincerely respect for what you do every year.

Now i'm in acceptation like phases we got after a loss, and i only replay games i liked before. Ignoring current football rosters and all.
I don't like that much actual asceptic football without icons, less and less youth people carrying about and i understand them...
I said what i wanted to say once and we won't start a debate, i'm tired of it. Everyone got their perception and ideas, if you have fun with the game since years that's all matters.

Cheers
 
NeoRetro said:
It's an example, i wanted to say about logic that there's tons of animations doesn't fit, physically, to where the ball is aiming.
+ Tons of stuffs like that like all players ultra agility that pushed me out of the game. Especially since the current-gen movement which all seems in fast forward (never tried the 21, and i didn't liked the 20 in comparison to PES 2020 bring to me simply)

The thing i hate the most ball isn't linked to the players movement or the players animations should be different regarding what they do. A weak pass or shoot super fast, an header on the right and the ball is aiming on the left. It's perhaps animations bugs, i don't know, but i just can tolerate this.
On Fifa 17 yes the ball got sometimes very weird behavior like i remind an hyper pass at 250 mph going from on side of the pitch to another, but it was clearly bugs, not gameplay choice.
And i suppose that what we see like "the cpu decided to the pass going on the left even if the player foot can't fit with that direction" is an e-sport thing, a gameplay choice.
It's totally normal to talk about variety if the gameplay is above all laws even fundamentals and simple logic. Then there's defense i can't stand for X reasons, balance, midfiels etc.

It's not even arcade related, is more an e-sport thing. An e-sport game made with e-sport players for e-sports players...

Now those things can certainely be restored with sliders, and you may found happyness with it and, above all, mods, then it's okay no problems. I'm not insulting any people taste lol.
But it should be hard to programs them as you got to fight against nature/how the game really is. And i understand totally that we really all miss our average or good yearly and complete physical release. And more than all : improvement, real 2025 next-gen improvement. I'm with you on it, and i brought 2 versions, i forced myself, tried sliders (Ps5) and i felt like a masochist.

I won't at all criticize your devotion for making people happier with sliders, it's a hard job and you did it well and playing with your sliders or others Operation Sports ones makes the game pretty better on the flow. You can't do anything against the lack of fundamentals, but at least you're fighting for it : sincerely respect for what you do every year.

Now i'm in acceptation like phases we got after a loss, and i only replay games i liked before. Ignoring current football rosters and all.
I don't like that much actual asceptic football without icons, less and less youth people carrying about and i understand them...
I said what i wanted to say once and we won't start a debate, i'm tired of it. Everyone got their perception and ideas, if you have fun with the game since years that's all matters.

Cheers
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Yeah I would agree there are other animations that don't fit - I just wanted to address the ball trajectory concern as I have a lot of sample size.

The struggle is making the ball a separate entity. It's just not built into the game unfortunately. It's a bit of a tricky topic as well because the pass speed value allows the ball to be more free, but of course you then lose the realism due to the rocket passing pace. Lower pass speeds then create the effect of the ball being underneath the player, and the ball dying too soon (not rolling), so that just continues a chain reaction of possible odd limbs-to-ball interactions.

From a football perspective, the game does achieve some core mechanics such as receiving the ball on the backfoot, crossing pace, long ball switches, reverse pass and some various foot-to-ball contact points - especially as the error value increases. However, the arcade-like behavior comes from the more unnecessary features like agile dribbling, competitor mode, etc.

The game still lacks the risk/rewards of passing the ball forward. FUT/arcade players like their passing perfectly into stride, while the sim mode/sliders crowd want that resistance and punishment. I think the game does really well there with the right settings, but it's not perfect due to the ball not being a separate entity as mentioned above.

FIFA/FC is always about the sacrifices you want to make to enjoy the game. The issue is that you have to constantly adapt to the patch/title updates that make you revisit those priorities every couple of weeks.
 
I often see a lot of comments about the gameplay here, and the problem is no longer the defense, the GP or whatever they come up with, the problem is that the game changes all the time and no one knows why.

One day I can be playing some spectacular matches, where everything feels really good, but the next day without any explanation the game is totally different.

Without a doubt it is the biggest problem with this game, it doesn't matter if you add mod, slider or whatever you want to add to the game. It's as simple as that, when the game wants you to play some great matches, and from one moment to the next it becomes unplayable, the game is totally schizophrenic and I'm going to end up in the psychiatrist thanks to EA...

I know I'm not the only one who sees that...sorry for my bad English....
 
shumway said:
A little off-topic but I found it funny. The developer of Balatro wasn't happy with the 18+ rating of his game.

https://x.com/LocalThunk/status/1868142749108797590
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Absolutely bonkers. A game with no actual gambling mechanics and real money involvement gets a 18+ and EA's game full of gambling and real money has a 3+.
EU and its overpaid officials and clueless politicians are a joke.
 
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