EA SPORTS FC 25

I did a Copa Libertodores game last night in the rain, but it felt quicker. Anyone else felt like rain speeds the game up? It didn't feel like because the grass is wet... it just felt generally quicker pace
 
Guys did any of you think of that how it's possible for a player to have 4 roles+ or higher on 4 positions?
The only player I found was Donyell Malen 89 Centurions card.
Said we have 3 roles slots in DB, how would that be even possible? I think it's the first time it's not possible to copy a FUT card stats directly to single player.

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Antoine said:
Nah it’s quality with gameplay mods.
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I can't speak for the mods, because i am on console. Vanilla gameplay is so much flawed that I really doubt mods can fix it.
It really doesn't nail nothing on the pitch.
Fifa from 20 to FC24 is a lot worse,and i think this is why Pes21 is so highly regarded.
Now Fc25 is flawed too ,but to me, it's a better game than Pes21.
 
simogto90 said:
I can't speak for the mods, because i am on console. Vanilla gameplay is so much flawed that I really doubt mods can fix it.
It really doesn't nail nothing on the pitch.
Fifa from 20 to FC24 is a lot worse,and i think this is why Pes21 is so highly regarded.
Now Fc25 is flawed too ,but to me, it's a better game than Pes21.
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On pc there’s a ton of gameplay mods. I use Evong 5.1, eSIM 2020 and ultimate and they change the game significantly.

Ball physics are improved, more attacking variety from ai, more physicality and most of all better keepers and new animations unlocked.

It’s completely different than vanilla console. Then add in better body forms, goal nets, any stadiums in the world, camera mods, boots, balls, kits and faces. It’s a monster and I just update it every year.
 
Antoine said:
On pc there’s a ton of gameplay mods. I use Evong 5.1, eSIM 2020 and ultimate and they change the game significantly.

Ball physics are improved, more attacking variety from ai, more physicality and most of all better keepers and new animations unlocked.

It’s completely different than vanilla console. Then add in better body forms, goal nets, any stadiums in the world, camera mods, boots, balls, kits and faces. It’s a monster and I just update it every year.
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Do you mind linking this mod? Is it on even?
 
Antoine said:
On pc there’s a ton of gameplay mods. I use Evong 5.1, eSIM 2020 and ultimate and they change the game significantly.

Ball physics are improved, more attacking variety from ai, more physicality and most of all better keepers and new animations unlocked.

It’s completely different than vanilla console. Then add in better body forms, goal nets, any stadiums in the world, camera mods, boots, balls, kits and faces. It’s a monster and I just update it every year.
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ive heard of esim but what is evong?
 
simogto90 said:
I can't speak for the mods, because i am on console. Vanilla gameplay is so much flawed that I really doubt mods can fix it.
It really doesn't nail nothing on the pitch.
Fifa from 20 to FC24 is a lot worse,and i think this is why Pes21 is so highly regarded.
Now Fc25 is flawed too ,but to me, it's a better game than Pes21.
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The core difference is that FC25 has no plausible physics base, you see and feel it in nearly every second of playing. PES21 feels consistent, supernatural happenings are very rare.

Unfortunatly EA is regressing in this area, there have been a lot of FIFA games that painted a better picture of football.

Why we even dicuss a game which allows me to jog from box to box without CPU pressure is beyond me. How low can standards go?
 
philla said:
The core difference is that FC25 has no plausible physics base, you see and feel it in nearly every second of playing. PES21 feels consistent, supernatural happenings are very rare.

Unfortunatly EA is regressing in this area, there have been a lot of FIFA games that painted a better picture of football.

Why we even dicuss a game which allows me to jog from box to box without CPU pressure is beyond me. How low can standards go?
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Well it is a forum for the game so discussion of it will continue regardless of its quality, I imagine.
 
Antoine said:
On pc there’s a ton of gameplay mods. I use Evong 5.1, eSIM 2020 and ultimate and they change the game significantly.

Ball physics are improved, more attacking variety from ai, more physicality and most of all better keepers and new animations unlocked.

It’s completely different than vanilla console. Then add in better body forms, goal nets, any stadiums in the world, camera mods, boots, balls, kits and faces. It’s a monster and I just update it every year.
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You mention a lot of, I mean really a lot of cosmetic mods which enhance PES 2021. Of course I notice you also mentioned the great work of Gameplay Modders like Holland, Tufkar, Alex I guess and all the other Guys who tried to "really change" the basic PES 2021 Gameplay to somewhat better.

The cosmetic Part of PES 2021 is really awesome. The Game looks with all those enhancements really not worse or outdated even we speaking from a Game which is not updated by his Producers since 4 years. So no other Game profit from that fact as much as PES 2021 does. The community is outstanding loyal, still, even the Game is 4 years old. So modders still put their love and effort into it to make the game beautiful.

But let´s speak about the Gameplay you mentioned which should be "significantly" a game changer. Even I like FIFA/FC more, I have still PES 2021 on my HDD, currently with the great ISS 1996/1997 Classic Mod installed. I also a Member here in the Forum since 2017 or 2018 because of PES Mods. I discovered the FIFA section just later.

So I modded PES 2021 for a long time for myself. I tried so many GP Patches but they all can´t delete that awful scripting which hits every Player after a while back into a send him back to many many flaws of the basic GP feel. The fact PES 2021 must be mainly get modded through the Game exe have not much pros.

You can mod the dt18 for sure but that doesn´t do the trick. Not long ago there was a mod from Twiggy I guess which gives hope to walkaround the scripting of the Game based on Cheat engine. I also tried it but after a while... yeah... the Game become scripted again.

I gave up because the basics of the Game are: Players not respond fast enough to the interaction around them, the AI can make what they ever wanna do without a big impact from myself and my AI controlled Teammates which leading into frustrating Matches. The gap between Professional Game difficulty and the next difficulty Levels are really worse imo. I can shine on Professional and score some Goals, but otherwise playing on Superstar a.e. I face a awful series of 0:0 or 1:1 or 0:1 Match results. No dynamic, no action on the Pitch. Call me a bad Player but I know many many other Players are facing the same. And that is than called realistic?

Of course FC is much more arcade Gameplay, but with mods there already filled the gap between completly unrealistic GP like you see on that terrifying You Tube Channels of those FUT playing kiddos which always give the image of an childish attempt to make a football game. But the scene comes gameplay-wise in depth when you play FC with a Gameplay mod and gives a wider range of simulation Game than ever before.

GP Mods by AnthJames, Paul-v, Danielz etc. have more to offer what YouTube Videos can give you an impression from. It´s not about all that above because I hate PES 2021, it´s more the fact imo that the base of FC 24 or FC 25 currently gives modders with Frosty Tools a huge range to create a more settled and realistic direction of a Football Game than PES 2021 Base can offer.

Nah, I don´t say FC is a dream game or near to perfection, but there are in fact only 2 Football Games to choose. PES and FC/FIFA, and that makes it really difficult to speak about more choices for every of us Players. It´s good we have 2 Games with completly different directions to play. So we all have always stuff to discuss.

But honestly, Mate, to tell a Console Player like @simogto90 PES 2021 have GP Mods which are significantly impact of how PES 2021 plays is a bit over the top for me. And cosmetic mods like net server, every worlds Stadiums etc. makes the core Game related to GP not disappear.

No offense to you in personal, but that´s my personal opinion to the everylasting discussion on those 2 Game franchise. And sorry for the long post, but sometimes it comes out of me. :D
 
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Byronic said:
Of course FC is much more arcade Gameplay
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This one (half of a) line in your post is all I see when I play FC, though.

You're acting like just because its code is deeper, it's better - but when the fundamentals are so unrealistic, the fact that there are 100x more shot variations doesn't really matter to me (just like the spectacular Career Mode, as much as I love it, is like bolting Football Manager onto Pong).

There is no one "X game is better and you factually must like it more than the other" answer here, as much as you will there to be one.

With or without mods, with or without sliders, and it's not the fault of those who toil over them - I simply cannot (and don't understand how people can) play a game where players skate and slide into position, and the ball moves in a way that is contrary to the contact (with a "fun" outcome, i.e. successful tackles force the ball to glue itself to the tackler like magic, deflections simply must magnetise to a player)...

It's like watching a golfer slice the ball into the woods, and yet when the camera angle switches, it's somehow ended up in the fairway - I just can't have fun in a game like that.

The FC lovers could easily say the same thing but replace "players skate and slide into position" with (my biggest bugbear) "the simplest, most basic, boring AI in a modern football game" and/or "the most restrictive, simplistic passing/shooting". And they would be right as well.

Personally, I'd rather play a game that's much more boring and predictable, but where I believe everything I'm seeing (so I'm always "in" the experience), than a game with far more outcomes where every kick makes me go "how is that ball flying like a bullet when he barely moved his leg", or where every deflection makes me angry because it's so blatantly on a rail to the selected player, you can practically see the line (where I'm constantly pulled out of the experience and reminded I'm playing an eSport).
 
Chris Davies said:
This one (half of a) line in your post is all I see when I play FC, though.

You're acting like just because its code is deeper, it's better - but when the fundamentals are so unrealistic, the fact that there are 100x more shot variations doesn't really matter to me (just like the spectacular Career Mode, as much as I love it, is like bolting Football Manager onto Pong).

There is no one "X game is better and you factually must like it more than the other" answer here, as much as you will there to be one.

With or without mods, with or without sliders, and it's not the fault of those who toil over them - I simply cannot (and don't understand how people can) play a game where players skate and slide into position, and the ball moves in a way that is contrary to the contact (with a "fun" outcome, i.e. successful tackles force the ball to glue itself to the tackler like magic, deflections simply must magnetise to a player)...

It's like watching a golfer slice the ball into the woods, and yet when the camera angle switches, it's somehow ended up in the fairway - I just can't have fun in a game like that.

The FC lovers could easily say the same thing but replace "players skate and slide into position" with (my biggest bugbear) "the simplest, most basic, boring AI in a modern football game" and/or "the most restrictive, simplistic passing/shooting". And they would be right as well.

Personally, I'd rather play a game that's much more boring and predictable, but where I believe everything I'm seeing (so I'm always "in" the experience), than a game with far more outcomes where every kick makes me go "how is that ball flying like a bullet when he barely moved his leg", or where every deflection makes me angry because it's so blatantly on a rail to the selected player, you can practically see the line (where I'm constantly pulled out of the experience and reminded I'm playing an eSport).
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Just piping up to say efootball AI is actually pretty great. Not perfect, but compelling. Shame about so much of the rest of the game.

I'm playing fc25 with only turf and camera mods and yet somehow I'm overlooking every valid complaint you've raised.

There is something in the soul of this game that works for me. The patterns of play so mirror real life at times that I can, despite myself, overlook every flaw you've identified.

It's a very wonky, very flawed 8 out of 10 for me. I just 'like' the gameplay for some reason. It has endeared itself to me, despite all the ugliness.
 
Chris Davies said:
This one (half of a) line in your post is all I see when I play FC, though.

You're acting like just because its code is deeper, it's better - but when the fundamentals are so unrealistic, the fact that there are 100x more shot variations doesn't really matter to me (just like the spectacular Career Mode, as much as I love it, is like bolting Football Manager onto Pong).

There is no one "X game is better and you factually must like it more than the other" answer here, as much as you will there to be one.

With or without mods, with or without sliders, and it's not the fault of those who toil over them - I simply cannot (and don't understand how people can) play a game where players skate and slide into position, and the ball moves in a way that is contrary to the contact (with a "fun" outcome, i.e. successful tackles force the ball to glue itself to the tackler like magic, deflections simply must magnetise to a player)...

It's like watching a golfer slice the ball into the woods, and yet when the camera angle switches, it's somehow ended up in the fairway - I just can't have fun in a game like that.

The FC lovers could easily say the same thing but replace "players skate and slide into position" with (my biggest bugbear) "the simplest, most basic, boring AI in a modern football game" and/or "the most restrictive, simplistic passing/shooting". And they would be right as well.

Personally, I'd rather play a game that's much more boring and predictable, but where I believe everything I'm seeing (so I'm always "in" the experience), than a game with far more outcomes where every kick makes me go "how is that ball flying like a bullet when he barely moved his leg", or where every deflection makes me angry because it's so blatantly on a rail to the selected player, you can practically see the line (where I'm constantly pulled out of the experience and reminded I'm playing an eSport).
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Yes, and that´s ok for me if you see only the arcade style of the Game. And it´s the same for me when I play the default Game, no matter if it´s FC or all down the latter till FIFA 17. And yeah the ice skating is worse. But I am speaking more of modded FC/FIFA and modded PES 2021. For me when I am active playing FC 25 with Anth mod a.e. I barely see the ice skating animations anymore other than in default GP. Also I don´t see the ice skating rather less in FC 25 as in FC 24 in default game. When I watch Videos on YT I see how broken the FC 24 animations are. Idk if you played FC 25 this season with mods for Gameplay? It makes a difference for me. With FC it´s the same like with PES 2021. Idk much People which played PES without GP Mods. Why? It´s also not in perfect state. And that´s what I say about the Guy above. I also said I played a lot PES 2021 but that´s not my Game at last. I don´t want to play everytime in a 20 Minute Match 1:1 or 0:1. I had previously a series of 7 or 8 of those Matches in a Career Mode on Superstar with such results.
Yesterday I played a 2x8 Minute Game on Legendary difficulty in FC 25 with Anth´s Mod and it ended 0:0, but with a goal chance score of 4:2 for the AI.
Arcade would be a Match score of 4:3 or even higher in a 16 Minute match. That only is to watch when the fancy boys play their FUT Matches with default Gameplay. I wouldn´t play a single match on a Console of FC 25. Where you have no chance of mods which can make the Game more enjoyable.

And that´s what I wanna mention at last. We have only 2 Game franchises to choose from. I can´t count UFL till the current state to PES and FC because it´s for now only available for Console from what I read. I personally choose FIFA/FC from the rare Options. I know all the flaws of FC Games and I think also Frostbite engine was the worst engine EA ever choose. But I can find my way to say to me "ok, it´s full of flaws but I can enjoy it with the flaws", because at any point it´s enough to hit on it and just play a Football Game. Yeah that´s it for me. I just wanna play a Game at the end. It´s a Video Game and not a real life football. We never get a real Simulation on our Consoles or PC and we never had it. There are previously released Games which are miles better than Frostbite Engines FIFA/FC Games like FIFA 16 or PES 6 a.e. But there are also not a real football simulation just an attempt.
So I didn´t understand why People get so angry about the Game and can´t just enjoy that what we get. There isn´t just more outside from EA or Konami. We can play the Games, try to improve it with mods and more we can´t do. It´s only my personal choice towards FIFA/FC.
We still discuss that also on other threads. And there is a lot of FC/FIFA haters reading posts below You Tube Videos or other threads judging by watching a Video. To say my opinion about what I don´t like at PES 2021 when I am other opinion is not meant with hate. Just discussion. And yeah, I expect more replies from PES Players which have other opinions.
 
Well I have to admit - and it's nice to add some positivity - I played with friends tonight, using Anth's "slow mod" with a couple of tweaks ("normal speed passing", "easier less-pressing defence" and "freer ball")... and we had an absolute blast.

It felt just right for long spells, with less skating/sliding, more believable physics, and some really nice moments of intelligent play. Wide variety of outcomes from each contact, wide variety of scorelines (first game was Liverpool 4-1 RB Leipzig, which was worrying, next game was Bologna 1-0 Liverpool, which was nice). One of the best experiences I've had for a while.

However... One thing we noticed... Have the goalkeepers been made into traffic cones again in a recent update?

When I played the 10hr trial, I didn't see a single moment where the keeper ignored the ball (which would happen all the time in 24).

Tonight, three times in a row, an average-speed shot was hit around the edge of the area, and the keeper simply collapsed onto their knees, keeping their arms glued to their sides, and watched the ball pass them within easy reach.

That happened constantly in 24 - just another reason why goals felt completely unsatisfying - and it looks like it's back now. Unless it's related to the shooting changes in the mod and the keepers aren't reading the shots correctly.
 
Chris Davies said:
Well I have to admit - and it's nice to add some positivity - I played with friends tonight, using Anth's "slow mod" with a couple of tweaks ("normal speed passing", "easier less-pressing defence" and "freer ball")... and we had an absolute blast.

It felt just right for long spells, with less skating/sliding, more believable physics, and some really nice moments of intelligent play. Wide variety of outcomes from each contact, wide variety of scorelines (first game was Liverpool 4-1 RB Leipzig, which was worrying, next game was Bologna 1-0 Liverpool, which was nice). One of the best experiences I've had for a while.

However... One thing we noticed... Have the goalkeepers been made into traffic cones again in a recent update?

When I played the 10hr trial, I didn't see a single moment where the keeper ignored the ball (which would happen all the time in 24).

Tonight, three times in a row, an average-speed shot was hit around the edge of the area, and the keeper simply collapsed onto their knees, keeping their arms glued to their sides, and watched the ball pass them within easy reach.

That happened constantly in 24 - just another reason why goals felt completely unsatisfying - and it looks like it's back now. Unless it's related to the shooting changes in the mod and the keepers aren't reading the shots correctly.
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This odd GK behaviour is viewable often. I see that also in Matches. And it looks shitty. I am not an Editor so I can´t say what is necessary to fix that or can it be fixed. Sometimes with mods I have the feeling the more Areas you touch in the Editor the more unexpected behaviour can happen on the Pitch. Still nothing is perfect. What Game difficulty do you play? Me I am playing World Class because on Legendary the AI divorces me no matter if I play with other Gameplay Mods or default GP. I loose some Games 0:5 or 1:4. But on WC I have mostly a equal experience for wins, draws and loss. Unfortunetly what is bad is that it seems to change the GP a little bit when I switch into Career Mode instead of playing friendly Matches. Don´t know what happens than, but the GP feels suddenly kinda changed, even in default GP. Not easy to describe. So the flaws in the Game are always lurking. :-)
 
Chris Davies said:
Well I have to admit - and it's nice to add some positivity - I played with friends tonight, using Anth's "slow mod" with a couple of tweaks ("normal speed passing", "easier less-pressing defence" and "freer ball")... and we had an absolute blast.

It felt just right for long spells, with less skating/sliding, more believable physics, and some really nice moments of intelligent play. Wide variety of outcomes from each contact, wide variety of scorelines (first game was Liverpool 4-1 RB Leipzig, which was worrying, next game was Bologna 1-0 Liverpool, which was nice). One of the best experiences I've had for a while.

However... One thing we noticed... Have the goalkeepers been made into traffic cones again in a recent update?

When I played the 10hr trial, I didn't see a single moment where the keeper ignored the ball (which would happen all the time in 24).

Tonight, three times in a row, an average-speed shot was hit around the edge of the area, and the keeper simply collapsed onto their knees, keeping their arms glued to their sides, and watched the ball pass them within easy reach.

That happened constantly in 24 - just another reason why goals felt completely unsatisfying - and it looks like it's back now. Unless it's related to the shooting changes in the mod and the keepers aren't reading the shots correctly.
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Yeah, goalkeepers are SHIT once again. Is really annoying. As every year, the typicial FIFA idiotic fans who don't understand/care about football, complaining about "uuuuh ThE GaMe is ToO SloW, TheRe Is Not EnoUgH GoAls" and obviously they have to throw a bone to the community in order to not lose them.

Seriously, if there's something I hate more than EA is the typical FIFA fan that complains about the game being too difficult. You are expected to think in football, motherfucker, control your movements, play collectively, draw defenses out of position... You have to BUILD the plays, not just do it for the sake of what happens.

It really annoys me.
 
Chris Davies said:
However... One thing we noticed... Have the goalkeepers been made into traffic cones again in a recent update?

When I played the 10hr trial, I didn't see a single moment where the keeper ignored the ball (which would happen all the time in 24).

Tonight, three times in a row, an average-speed shot was hit around the edge of the area, and the keeper simply collapsed onto their knees, keeping their arms glued to their sides, and watched the ball pass them within easy reach.

That happened constantly in 24 - just another reason why goals felt completely unsatisfying - and it looks like it's back now. Unless it's related to the shooting changes in the mod and the keepers aren't reading the shots correctly.
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It is very likely the mod isn't helping (sorry Anth). I try not to talk about mods in this thread because it just adds more confusion and far reaching views to the discussion IMO.

This is the problem with this entire thread. It's filled with various opinions based on seriously large variables.

You have:
- Vanilla players with all default settings
- Vanilla players with simulation settings
- Vanilla players with simulation / mixed settings
- Modded players with default settings
- Modded players with recommended settings (rare this ever happens...)
- Modded players with mixed settings because they feel they know better than the people who make mods
- Add on. Playing in Career Mode versus Friendly versus Tournament versus Pro Clubs versus Ultimate Team all have different versions of the base gameplay. Most modders only test in Friendly or Career mode, which are vastly different by the way.

In any case, glad you are enjoying the game again :)
 
Paul-v said:
It is very likely the mod isn't helping (sorry Anth). I try not to talk about mods in this thread because it just adds more confusion and far reaching views to the discussion IMO.

This is the problem with this entire thread. It's filled with various opinions based on seriously large variables.
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This is why I asked - to see if it was the same on the vanilla console versions (with or without sim settings).

I was assuming from @Hels The Ronin's reply that it was!
 
Chris Davies said:
This is why I asked - to see if it was the same on the vanilla console versions (with or without sim settings).

I was assuming from @Hels The Ronin's reply that it was!
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I played in friendlies and they were horrible. Don't know other mods but I'm general terms, EA like to make arcade gameplay with lots of goals so it'd be surprising that they made something better in some regard.
 
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