@rojofa No need for the sad emotico mate... I hope I wasn't being mean, or anything. Again, I stated "with all due respect". We're just discussing ideas / points of views...
It was the "with all due respect" remark that prompted that reaction to be honest. That phrase to me basically means the complete opposite, like when something starts with "no offence" it's just an attempt to justify saying something offensive and serves no other purpose. I take it more to mean "With all the respect your comment deserves (i.e. none)". It's not just me, as you used Reddit to gauge the reaction to Cyberpunk, you can google "reddit with all due respect" you will see many threads with people showing these sentiments with thousands of upvotes like
here or
here with loads more about it. I was disappointed this being the tone of the discussion, but maybe read too much into this, I just find the phrase annoying and pointless. Apologies if I misread this.
Again dude, I think you're flossing a dead horse here. No one's saying the game should run on ultra settings 1080p/60 FPS on 4 year old cards, of course. But for damn sure, if I (and anyone) can get games like Metro Exodus to go 60FPS/1080p on a tweaked setup (mix of high to medium settings) and 50 FPS on RDR2 (same mix, with a few more tweaks) on a 5 (not 4!) year old card, I for damn sure should at least get 60 FPS on Cyberpunk, with EVERYTHING DROPPED TO THE LOWEST SETTINGS. Repeat: LOW. No tweaks... Only I can't. It's useless to tweak anything. When you get very little FPS gain, even after dropping everything to low, and still get 30 FPS "TOPS", that's when you know you got a "really bad optimized game" on your hands. That's all there's to it. We're on the same boat here...
I've not played Metro Exodus, and from videos it seems to be a rather linear corridor shooter for the most part, with the more open areas being pretty barren compared Cyberpunk's dense urban setting. In the videos I've seen of Cyberpunk's performance, it seems to struggle most when driving around in the most detailed parts of the city. Metro Exodus does not seem to have any comparable scenarios to this. Same goes for RDR2 in terms of the rural setting. Also the "low", "medium", "high" or "ultra" are not necessarily comparable between different games. I can run PES totally maxed out in 4K and probably still get 100FPS, but if I try that in Flight Simulator I would get 5fps and melt my PC. How much they have to render/process, how much all the effects get used, what the parameters behind the words are etc... It's not always as simple as "I can play X game on High 60FPS so this should run 60FPS on Low or it's unoptimised".
The videos I've seen comparing the Low to Ultra settings in Cyberpunk,
Low still looks excellent apart from the shadow distance when driving and some close up textures/lack of AO. Maybe their "optimisation" could be to just make a new "Ultra Low" and downgrade each of the current settings by one or two tiers. People would probably feel better playing the game on "High" at 45+FPS even if that is actually what the game currently looked like at Low.
Lucky you. I don't have the luxury of waiting to upgrade my hardware. I'll have to work my ass off. During covid times and where I live? I might as well get the chance to upgrade my PC in maybe 4 or 5 years... If I'm still alive then... If you're glad to see that older hardware is becoming unviable during a period in which a lot of people can't leave their homes, or even work, because of a global pandemic... Then I'm sorry to say, mate, but you're an elitist. That's sad.
I'm not even part of this "elite" that I'm supposedly an elitist for - my PC is Vega 56 (midrange 2017) i7 4790k (2014), DDR3 RAM, games on HDD, playing in 1080p.
I'm waiting for more games that I'm interested in to start pushing the boundaries and becoming unplayable on my current rig before I bother to upgrade which I'm hoping will happen as games start being purposely made for current-gen without last-gen releases. I want my 6 year old CPU to not be keeping up with the biggest AAA games, but it's still able to produce playable and often great performance in most of them, as they are still targeted towards 2013's shoddy base model consoles. The piss poor Xbox Series S existing though will probably give my GPU another entire generation of at least 30FPS performance though.
Cyberpunk seems to be targeted almost entirely towards current gen consoles, evidenced by the way it looks great and performs fine on hardware equivalent to those consoles. It's
playable on the minimum and required specs listed, but it's clearly not an optimal experience, neither do they propose it would be. Console gamers have had to put up with 25-30FPS on the majority of games for at least the last 2 generations, this game has made a lot of PC gamers feel how dreadful that is to play.
The point about not being able to work during a pandemic - of course, this year has sucked, for some more than others... But this doesn't mean we should want gaming to stand still for people who can't afford to upgrade. It's not like the thousands of previous games that run great on current hardware are going away, there's tons of great games people haven't played, so why immediately jump in on day 1 for one of the most demanding games of all time, especially if money is tight? This is among a tiny handful of games that requires a high-end rig for a good experience. Personally I just avoid these kinds of games until my hardware is capable of playing it how I want to play it.
It's a single player game (though there is multiplayer coming supposedly), so it will not be outdated like a sports game even in 5 years time. If that's when you or I get around to upgrading, this game is still there and if "optimisation" is the problem, that will have given them more than enough time to have addressed those kinds of problems, plus the game will probably have more DLC content, all included in a GOTY edition at a much cheaper price than what it currently costs.
But hey! I'm not complaining. I'm just stating facts: CDPR designed a game taylor-made (a graphical juggernaut) for next-gen cards/consoles only , while the same next-gen cards and consoles only came out literally months ago, and during a pandemic. How many people were fortunate enough to get their hands on this kind of hardware? Ps5's and new Xbox'es? Very few, very rich people, that either live in the US of A, Japan, or maybe Europe (and only "wealthy" Europe, for that matter... Forget "not-so-wealthy" countries, no offense ). 3060-3080 RTX cards? Worse, with the sad addition of damned be bitcoin miners wiping out the cards from vendors... I sincerely wish all bitcoin miners die merciless deaths on a guillotine someday. Ransomware viruses are their fault.
So, if CDPR didn't think they dropped the ball big time on this one (which they did, and they know it), they wouldn't have apologized to their customers and even CALL 'em offering refunds.
I agree with this situation, it's another reason I'm not thinking about upgrading yet. Hopefully the scalping won't be a problem in a few months time. That is outside of CDPR's control though, and if they'd delayed the game even further until the consoles/GPUs were more readily available or cancelled the last-gen versions completely, there would have likely been just as severe backlash. They already got death threats for delaying it a few more weeks, so imagine if they cancelled last gen releases entirely...
It's frankly not a last-gen game and shouldn't have been released on it, that is their fault and they should apologise/refund for it, but these days where gameplay/benchmarks and streams are so abundant immediately upon release of a game, digital releases don't have the scarcity of physical copies so don't need pre-ordering etc. I don't believe anyone can claim to have been scammed. It's so easy to make an informed choice on what you are buying that the consumer should take some responsibility as well.
