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gerd
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The two last posts are rather cheap comments...it's pretty natural that a "new" team like Chelsea's need some time to gel...In my opinion Chelsea should concentrate on the CL and use the other competitions to build a team (in that rerspect it's better to buy quite a few players now and don't buy in summer).
Even if Ranieri concentrates on team building, they should be able to end "th or 4th in the premiership, which would guarantee a CL ticket for next season.
Meanwhile if they concentrate on it, they could win this years CL...
And about Mutu, he is hugely talented but he seems rather fickle...i read "A season with Verona" from Tim Parks...At the time (2000-2001) Mutu was in the Hellas Verona team and wasn't the most easy going player there neither...
Even if Ranieri concentrates on team building, they should be able to end "th or 4th in the premiership, which would guarantee a CL ticket for next season.
Meanwhile if they concentrate on it, they could win this years CL...
And about Mutu, he is hugely talented but he seems rather fickle...i read "A season with Verona" from Tim Parks...At the time (2000-2001) Mutu was in the Hellas Verona team and wasn't the most easy going player there neither...
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Professor Nutmeg
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- 3 July 2002
Thankyou Gerd. Noted, we know you're a 10 year old or something, and that explains your childish comments. Please refrain from posting nonsense. This thread is for proper discussions among adults, and not for "dissing." Furthermore what comes around goes around. When you talk about not hacking it with the big guns, are you refering to Arsenal's annual CL campaign? Milanista, grow up, take a long look at the actions/dealings of Milan and that tyrant Berlusconi. And when it comes to buying players, particularly ones you don't need, you're up there with Chelsea. You're not in a position to take any morale high ground, as you only come in here to "stir." Come to think of it, you're not even positioned anywhere near Milan. 
I understand other clubs and their supporters (wherever they may be around the world) feel threatened by Chelsea's recently acquired wealth and subsequent ambitions. However, why people think we are supposed to win the league (or everything else for that matter) is beyond me. If we're not seriously challenging in 2 to 3 years, then have a go, but not now.
I understand other clubs and their supporters (wherever they may be around the world) feel threatened by Chelsea's recently acquired wealth and subsequent ambitions. However, why people think we are supposed to win the league (or everything else for that matter) is beyond me. If we're not seriously challenging in 2 to 3 years, then have a go, but not now.
T Butcher fan
Champions League
- 3 December 2001
Can either me or Prof be made a mod of this thread? (No banning powers or anything) there's just a lot of pointless posts by drunk little 15 year olds who've taken time off from masturbation duties, that I'd like to delete when I come in every morning.
What purpose are they serving?
Rather than waste anymore time discussing these geeks, I would like to say hello to Maradro. Your timing isn't immpeccable (the last time you wrote was after Besiktas debacle I believe?) but I think you came up with a couple of interseting points.
So far, nearly every team that has come to Stamford Bridge this season has flooded the midfield and made sure they have men behind the ball. Unfortunately, Ranieri seems to be the only person who hasn't noticed this.
Too often we play narrow formations which stops us stretching teams. We have no one in space to pull defences out of shape. The opposition can simply stand still in their box and head away our crosses (launched from near the half way line) or just block our shots from the edge of the area.
What drives us mad is that Ranieri insists on sticking to the same tactic. Like in Blackadder IV when Melchett says he'll keep sending men to their deaths "because it's the last thing the opposition will expect!"
We have very few leaders. John Terry does his bit, but Frankie and Makalele aren't great talkers. Cudicini doesn't command the box in the way that he should either. We had a player who ran the team single handedly in Dennis Wise and since he left, we have had very little heart.
I don't know what Ranieri's team talks are like, but we never seem to start games fired up. He's too cautious and I don't think we will achieve anything while he is still in charge.
What purpose are they serving?
Rather than waste anymore time discussing these geeks, I would like to say hello to Maradro. Your timing isn't immpeccable (the last time you wrote was after Besiktas debacle I believe?) but I think you came up with a couple of interseting points.
So far, nearly every team that has come to Stamford Bridge this season has flooded the midfield and made sure they have men behind the ball. Unfortunately, Ranieri seems to be the only person who hasn't noticed this.
Too often we play narrow formations which stops us stretching teams. We have no one in space to pull defences out of shape. The opposition can simply stand still in their box and head away our crosses (launched from near the half way line) or just block our shots from the edge of the area.
What drives us mad is that Ranieri insists on sticking to the same tactic. Like in Blackadder IV when Melchett says he'll keep sending men to their deaths "because it's the last thing the opposition will expect!"
We have very few leaders. John Terry does his bit, but Frankie and Makalele aren't great talkers. Cudicini doesn't command the box in the way that he should either. We had a player who ran the team single handedly in Dennis Wise and since he left, we have had very little heart.
I don't know what Ranieri's team talks are like, but we never seem to start games fired up. He's too cautious and I don't think we will achieve anything while he is still in charge.
T Butcher fan
Champions League
- 3 December 2001
By Henry Winter (Not sure what paper)
Optimism abounds at Highbury and Old Trafford and understandably so. The mood momentarily darkens at Chelsea, though. Lying third, four points behind Arsenal and seven off United, Chelsea are trapped in a period of introspection following a run of seven points from six games. But dry those tears.
The coldest of winters cannot mask the reality that a team funded lavishly by Roman Abramovich are going places. Chelsea have money, a terrific stadium surely deserving of an England international, a place in the last 16 of the Champions League and an interest, albeit outside, in the title race. Why desert the Bridge and rush for the life rafts?
Chelsea are flush with the technical merits to rejoin the championship chase. What they need now is greater unity as a team, a trait that will come only with time, a tougher streak in parts of the pitch and a manager less prone to tinkering.
Or a manager who bows to pressure from a player with a calf problem, like Hernan Crespo, to start against Liverpool on Wednesday. That was weak management by Claudio Ranieri; expensive, too, when Crespo soon limped off. "There isn't a better doctor than him," argued Ranieri with little conviction.
Ranieri is an honest, engaging character who works hard but has a tendency to be too clever. Not the first Roman to fiddle dangerously, Ranieri should stick to a 4-4-2 format with width and minimal alterations and let it develop. In Carlo Cudicini, Glen Johnson, John Terry, William Gallas and Wayne Bridge, Ranieri has a good defence which needs time to settle in free from a manager's unnecessary tweaking.
A midfield of Claude Makelele, Frank Lampard, Damien Duff (on the left) and a high-class right-sided flier from outside would form a balanced, potent unit. Adrian Mutu is worth persevering with up front but they still require a world-class focal point of a centre-forward in the muscular mould of a younger Christian Vieri. So Chelsea are basically two stars short of the full galaxy; hardly a crisis.
Chelsea's resolve is being tested and they must rally around determined figures like Terry, Makelele, Duff and Lampard because the path to the championship needs more than a sure touch; it requires a strong will.
Back in 1995, Tim Flowers, the Blackburn keeper, was so incensed at United's allegation that Rovers lacked bottle that he ranted on television about how much "bottle" his team had; the next day his team-mates brought milk crates in for him. Humour, steel and camaraderie: such are the qualities that lead to titles.
Championships are not won overnight; they are acquired through what social historians refer to as the inevitability of gradualness, the layer-upon-layer building of a team's strengths and skills as adroitly as Ferguson has done at Old Trafford and, to a lesser extent, Wenger at Arsenal. Chelsea's promising pupils still have a lot to learn but they need a savvier tutor than Ranieri.
Optimism abounds at Highbury and Old Trafford and understandably so. The mood momentarily darkens at Chelsea, though. Lying third, four points behind Arsenal and seven off United, Chelsea are trapped in a period of introspection following a run of seven points from six games. But dry those tears.
The coldest of winters cannot mask the reality that a team funded lavishly by Roman Abramovich are going places. Chelsea have money, a terrific stadium surely deserving of an England international, a place in the last 16 of the Champions League and an interest, albeit outside, in the title race. Why desert the Bridge and rush for the life rafts?
Chelsea are flush with the technical merits to rejoin the championship chase. What they need now is greater unity as a team, a trait that will come only with time, a tougher streak in parts of the pitch and a manager less prone to tinkering.
Or a manager who bows to pressure from a player with a calf problem, like Hernan Crespo, to start against Liverpool on Wednesday. That was weak management by Claudio Ranieri; expensive, too, when Crespo soon limped off. "There isn't a better doctor than him," argued Ranieri with little conviction.
Ranieri is an honest, engaging character who works hard but has a tendency to be too clever. Not the first Roman to fiddle dangerously, Ranieri should stick to a 4-4-2 format with width and minimal alterations and let it develop. In Carlo Cudicini, Glen Johnson, John Terry, William Gallas and Wayne Bridge, Ranieri has a good defence which needs time to settle in free from a manager's unnecessary tweaking.
A midfield of Claude Makelele, Frank Lampard, Damien Duff (on the left) and a high-class right-sided flier from outside would form a balanced, potent unit. Adrian Mutu is worth persevering with up front but they still require a world-class focal point of a centre-forward in the muscular mould of a younger Christian Vieri. So Chelsea are basically two stars short of the full galaxy; hardly a crisis.
Chelsea's resolve is being tested and they must rally around determined figures like Terry, Makelele, Duff and Lampard because the path to the championship needs more than a sure touch; it requires a strong will.
Back in 1995, Tim Flowers, the Blackburn keeper, was so incensed at United's allegation that Rovers lacked bottle that he ranted on television about how much "bottle" his team had; the next day his team-mates brought milk crates in for him. Humour, steel and camaraderie: such are the qualities that lead to titles.
Championships are not won overnight; they are acquired through what social historians refer to as the inevitability of gradualness, the layer-upon-layer building of a team's strengths and skills as adroitly as Ferguson has done at Old Trafford and, to a lesser extent, Wenger at Arsenal. Chelsea's promising pupils still have a lot to learn but they need a savvier tutor than Ranieri.
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Professor Nutmeg
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- 3 July 2002
Good article Terry. I think Claudio needs to read it. 
Vannizzlefashizzal
TWENTYTIMES!!!!
- 31 October 2002
Yeah good read that i'll try and find out who he writes for.
I always had Ranners down as being a canny fella and based on last years finish with the players he had, he justified that.
Personally I think in a strange way he's been hindred by the arrival of Roman and the uncertainty that now surrounds his future, plus you cant help but question the integrity of his buying power, if like his last club, if the owner wants a player, the club get him regardless.
I still think you's lot will be up there come-may.
I always had Ranners down as being a canny fella and based on last years finish with the players he had, he justified that.
Personally I think in a strange way he's been hindred by the arrival of Roman and the uncertainty that now surrounds his future, plus you cant help but question the integrity of his buying power, if like his last club, if the owner wants a player, the club get him regardless.
I still think you's lot will be up there come-may.
Vannizzlefashizzal
TWENTYTIMES!!!!
- 31 October 2002
This is quality:
Western Morning News 8/01/04.
Basically Paul Sturrock, Plymouth Argyle manager, is in :ondon to collect his (div 2) manager of the month award,presented to him by Claudio Ranieri.
....before the presentation, Sturrock had watched a Chelsea training session for a while.
"They do exactly the same things that we do on our training ground,"he said. "They just have more money and a better standard of players. The training didn't look any different and the training facilities don't look any different."
Chelsea are right up there with Argyle!!
Western Morning News 8/01/04.
Basically Paul Sturrock, Plymouth Argyle manager, is in :ondon to collect his (div 2) manager of the month award,presented to him by Claudio Ranieri.
....before the presentation, Sturrock had watched a Chelsea training session for a while.
"They do exactly the same things that we do on our training ground,"he said. "They just have more money and a better standard of players. The training didn't look any different and the training facilities don't look any different."
Chelsea are right up there with Argyle!!
T Butcher fan
Champions League
- 3 December 2001
Vannizzlefashizzal said:
Not entirely true. I've heard on the grape vine that we are talking to the mousers about a £40 million bid for Owen. It'll be a while till they can do that.
Our training ground is poo though.
Vannizzlefashizzal
TWENTYTIMES!!!!
- 31 October 2002
T Butcher fan said:
LOL you've gotta admitt if you read the same story with our name you'd piss yaself.
They are remarkably stupid if they bid £40mill for a guy who is nearly out of contract and one of the most injury prone players in the league.
Be a great signing though...
Just to hear the scousers cry!!!!
:mrgreen:
T Butcher fan
Champions League
- 3 December 2001
Vannizzlefashizzal said:
It would be stupid if you have a limited amount of money, but Roman can spunk up as much as he likes. (Most of it on doctors fees probably
)The added bonus of this week is GH keeps his job, Liverpool stay dull and GH blows the £40 mill on Cheyrou's aunt Beatrice and a large Turnip in the country.
It's cheered me up.
gerd
Retired Footballer
Henry Winter writes for Four-Four-Two, i don't know if this article appeared in that magazine, in the Brussels Waterstone's shop you can only find Four-Four-Two round the 10th of the month so i should have after the weekend.
I like to read his articles (in Four-Four-Two, he is presented as "the football writer of the year" which sounds really impressive...
On topic now...
The weak point in Abramovich scheme for Chelsea was mentioned here: with all the millions you can't buy team spirit...maybe it could be necessary to sell one or two high profile signings because they are bad for the team spirit...and yes Terry players like Wise, Keane and Viera (although thugs) are vital to top teams, maybe Chelsea lacks what Italians call "Grinta" (determination????)
I like to read his articles (in Four-Four-Two, he is presented as "the football writer of the year" which sounds really impressive...
On topic now...
The weak point in Abramovich scheme for Chelsea was mentioned here: with all the millions you can't buy team spirit...maybe it could be necessary to sell one or two high profile signings because they are bad for the team spirit...and yes Terry players like Wise, Keane and Viera (although thugs) are vital to top teams, maybe Chelsea lacks what Italians call "Grinta" (determination????)
Vannizzlefashizzal
TWENTYTIMES!!!!
- 31 October 2002
T Butcher fan said:It would be stupid if you have a limited amount of money, but Roman can spunk up as much as he likes. (Most of it on doctors fees probably
The added bonus of this week is GH keeps his job, Liverpool stay dull and GH blows the £40 mill on Cheyrou's aunt Beatrice and a large Turnip in the country.
It's cheered me up.
In that case, it sounds good to me
sorry T, but it seems whenever i get to watch chelsea play they struggle.
Ranieri should setup a system of rewards to encourage the team to be winning every game by half time- they are capable of it, and it would help avoid these frustrating 1-0 defeats. it seemed to me the players didnt really react until the 70th minute, way too late. a talented squad has to stretch the other team with good passing, and most importantly be prepared for the other team playing counter attack style.
i think Crespo will help a lot in these games because he has an excellent header for corners and set pieces.
i'm surprised though many here seem to think Veron is redundant with Lampard. I like Lampard, but I don't think they are too similar players. i think a midfield of geremi/makelele- veron- lampard-cole with duff + crespo upfront would be pretty deadly; Mutu hasn't impressed me much, seems a little selfish and predictable
Ranieri should setup a system of rewards to encourage the team to be winning every game by half time- they are capable of it, and it would help avoid these frustrating 1-0 defeats. it seemed to me the players didnt really react until the 70th minute, way too late. a talented squad has to stretch the other team with good passing, and most importantly be prepared for the other team playing counter attack style.
i think Crespo will help a lot in these games because he has an excellent header for corners and set pieces.
i'm surprised though many here seem to think Veron is redundant with Lampard. I like Lampard, but I don't think they are too similar players. i think a midfield of geremi/makelele- veron- lampard-cole with duff + crespo upfront would be pretty deadly; Mutu hasn't impressed me much, seems a little selfish and predictable
kevano22
TDWFYU
- 2 August 2003
just like to say 1-0 to the reds LIVE LONG BRUNO CHEYROU
kevano22
TDWFYU
- 2 August 2003
lol chelsea should be winnin everythin with a team they have. people say they have to "gel" but in reality they are all super players who should win everygame
Ricey
Non-League
- 12 May 2003
You were lucky today!
In all serious though Chelsea were a class above today and some of the moves and goals you scored were breath taking.
In all serious though Chelsea were a class above today and some of the moves and goals you scored were breath taking.
Dominic
Serie A
- 19 August 2003
Chelsea's new target is Roma's trainer, Fabio Capello!
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Professor Nutmeg
ML Fanatic
- 3 July 2002
Why can't we go one sodding page!! without demented idiots lowering the tone. Please keep your quips to yourselves, or do so in your own club's thread. FFS, can't people just grow up!!! :x
T Butcher fan
Champions League
- 3 December 2001
Ricey said:You were lucky today!
In all serious though Chelsea were a class above today and some of the moves and goals you scored were breath taking.
I thought Leicester worked really hard, but always lacked that bit of extra quality to score a goal. Maybe Ferdinand should've played for Bent?
I bet Roman was impressed with Dickov's balls........err, not literally, of course! :oops:
I thought we were good for the first 25 minutes, but once Leicester stepped up their work rate, we struggled to create much. Got a bit lucky with a couple of goals but Mutu's was a cracker, and much needed.
Ranieri still to go in the summer though.
T Butcher fan
Champions League
- 3 December 2001
maradro said:
There is room for Veron, but he hasn't been fit since he got here and he has now been out the last two months injured. He'll have to earn his place in the team if he does ever get fit again.
I hoped we'd play 4-5-1 this season with two wingers and Veron, Lamps and Makelele in the middle, with Crespo up front, but injuries haven't made this possible.
Mutu is fantastic, you've just picked two bad games to watch him in!
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Boro
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Professor Nutmeg said:
Nutmeg, we've just posted a warning in a sticky at the top of the page, so if any comes in here being a pain, flaming or talking about a club other than chelski let me know mate, and ill come and sort it out. I'll try to keep an eye on this thread but its usually the Man Yoo and Arsenal threads that require my attention the most. So drop me a PM.
Anyway are you guys back in for the title now do you reckon? If you beat the Arsenal and Man Yoo in the return games and they drop points its realistic.
T Butcher fan
Champions League
- 3 December 2001
Cheers Boro, probably the best thing to do is ignore it.
None of us mind a bit of constructive criticism, or a bit of banter, but if someone comes on here at 1am on a Friday night to inform us of a past result, it really says more about them that it does about Chelsea. What was the point Kevano?
I know what I was doing at 1am on Friday night, and it wasn't surfing the internet.
None of us mind a bit of constructive criticism, or a bit of banter, but if someone comes on here at 1am on a Friday night to inform us of a past result, it really says more about them that it does about Chelsea. What was the point Kevano?
I know what I was doing at 1am on Friday night, and it wasn't surfing the internet.
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Cheers, my fellow Chelsea fans - good win on Sunday. Here's to the good play continuing for the rest of the season. *raises his class*
Ricey
Non-League
- 12 May 2003
T Butcher fan said:Ricey said:You were lucky today!
In all serious though Chelsea were a class above today and some of the moves and goals you scored were breath taking.
I thought Leicester worked really hard, but always lacked that bit of extra quality to score a goal. Maybe Ferdinand should've played for Bent?
I bet Roman was impressed with Dickov's balls........err, not literally, of course! :oops:
I thought we were good for the first 25 minutes, but once Leicester stepped up their work rate, we struggled to create much. Got a bit lucky with a couple of goals but Mutu's was a cracker, and much needed.
Ranieri still to go in the summer though.
Yesterday we weren't at our best by far. Had we had Izzet and Thatcher playing and Stewart and Nalis not, then we would of really given you a game and maybe even got something.
You ain't having Dickov! He's our little pest
I hope Chelsea really push Arsenal and Man Yoo to the title this season because I think the Premiership needs it. C'mon Chelsea! do it for the sake of the premiership!
Vannizzlefashizzal
TWENTYTIMES!!!!
- 31 October 2002
Bad news for Seba, wouldnt wish this on anyone:
From the Evening Standard
'Chelsea star Juan Sebastian Veron and his girlfriend were threatened by a man with a machete who burst into their bedroom. The couple woke to find the man standing over them at their home in Barnes, it was revealed this afternoon. As the intruder stood there one of the couple's two young children wandered into the room.
The man demanded jewellery and cash and is believed to have threatened to harm the children if the 28-year-old player and his girlfriend Maria Vinaccia did not co-operate.
They handed over £60,000 worth of gems before the couple and two other women in the house were pushed at knifepoint into a bathroom and ordered to stay there. The family waited until they heard a vehicle driving away before raising the alarm yesterday morning.
Scotland Yard said the man got into the house through a bedroom window at about 7.30am. Eight people were staying in the house at the time.
One police source said: "This was clearly a very frightening experience. Threats were made against the children."
From the Evening Standard
'Chelsea star Juan Sebastian Veron and his girlfriend were threatened by a man with a machete who burst into their bedroom. The couple woke to find the man standing over them at their home in Barnes, it was revealed this afternoon. As the intruder stood there one of the couple's two young children wandered into the room.
The man demanded jewellery and cash and is believed to have threatened to harm the children if the 28-year-old player and his girlfriend Maria Vinaccia did not co-operate.
They handed over £60,000 worth of gems before the couple and two other women in the house were pushed at knifepoint into a bathroom and ordered to stay there. The family waited until they heard a vehicle driving away before raising the alarm yesterday morning.
Scotland Yard said the man got into the house through a bedroom window at about 7.30am. Eight people were staying in the house at the time.
One police source said: "This was clearly a very frightening experience. Threats were made against the children."
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Shouln't footballers' houses be equipped with superb alarming systems, tons of secuirty guards, etc.?
Vannizzlefashizzal
TWENTYTIMES!!!!
- 31 October 2002
Ashed said:
lol if you think any of the above is gonna stop someone if they wanna rob you.
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Professor Nutmeg
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- 3 July 2002
Terry, or anyone else who cares to respond to this one. Just a question, but how do reckon Sam Allyrdyce would fare at the Bridge? Do you think he would be more effective than Claudio? He's not a "tinkerer" that's for certain, he always plays a similar 11, and doesn't take many risks. I notice he plays his 4-1-4-1 even at homes sometimes against the big clubs like Man Utd.
Anyway, what do you reckon? it's just a thought.
Anyway, what do you reckon? it's just a thought.
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