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Misfit said:
Zico said:
coragi said:
Man, is this luck or what?
But 20 millions on Makelele? Too much...
I stiil think that you, europeans guys, should buy as many as possible brazilian players. we are very cheap. :)
kleberson went to man utd for 5 million, i guess. Santos has Diego and Robinho, but has also Renato, a very good mid-field that is in the national team already, has 22 years and is better than Makelele. Anyway, good luck to you, Chelsea supporters.

Bye
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It was £16.6 million to be procise mate. :D
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still way too much considering he's 30,chelsea have got cover for his position(lampard,geremi,petit).havin said that,i think he will do a good job for them in europe....
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yup yup, dat is if he gets a decent chance to start big matches, i.e. lazio, and if the 4 that started this prem season, dont live up to expectation...

-azn
 
Morning Prof - I missed the PS2 thing - was it any good?

On matters Chelsea, despite the fact that we got a slaggin in the Press, we were a much, MUCH better outfit on Saturday. We're still not quite there, but we were a different team to last week v Leicester.

Desailly's time is probably up, hopefully Gallas will come back in soon - other than that, no complaints. Mutu is an absolute Leg-end, the best player I've seen at the Bridge - makes Franco look like Geoff Thomas. Lampard was imperious in the centre and worked well with Petit (bodes well for a Makelele/Lampard partnership) Veron's passing was top knotch - although he has a tendency to over-elaborate and Geremi was pretty much faultless.

My only gripe was when Crespo came on, CR took Mutu off, effectively isolating him for the last 10 minutes. Stupid.

As for the result, pretty harsh on us - we seem to be lacking a bit of luck.
 
Vannizzlefashizzal said:
T Butcher fan said:
As for the result, pretty harsh on us - we seem to be lacking a bit of luck.
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Im sure when the russian has figured out how, he'll buy that aswell ;) :)
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I'm willing to chip in - the gooners obviously found out how, seeing as every rebound seems to fall right to one of their players feet at the minute. :roll:
 
T Butcher fan said:
And Desailly is playing 2*!
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so where's Gallas, didnt he sign a new contract.....

I actually think your lot are gonna do big things this year now you've got Makalele. player for player the russian has bought the best squad in europe IMO, Real havent got the players Chelsea have, yeah they've got the biggest names in Beckham, ZiZou, Raul, Figo, Ronaldo but they also have Raul Bravo (was on loan at leeds last season) and a midfielder playing at centre back....

Its not good for the rest of us.....
 
I'm not following this thread (way too long for somebody who isn't a fan althopugh i like Chelsea), si maybe this is old news...
There could be trouble in paradise for Abramovich and Chelsea..
I read in a Belgian newspaper that in my country Abramavich is under close scrutiny for massive tax evasion...A magistrate is conducting an investigation...The newspaper mentioned a sum of hunderds of million ancient Belgium franks...(which should be 10's of million pounds...). It has something to do with his and another (Belgian) oil firm...
This could in the long term be bad news for Chelsea..
 
Vannizzlefashizzal said:
T Butcher fan said:
And Desailly is playing 2*!
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so where's Gallas, didnt he sign a new contract.....

I actually think your lot are gonna do big things this year now you've got Makalele. player for player the russian has bought the best squad in europe IMO, Real havent got the players Chelsea have, yeah they've got the biggest names in Beckham, ZiZou, Raul, Figo, Ronaldo but they also have Raul Bravo (was on loan at leeds last season) and a midfielder playing at centre back....

Its not good for the rest of us.....
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William has done his neck in. He was on the bench on Saturday so I'm hoping Desi gets a little knock so he can come back in.

I think Chelsea are a month and a half away from playing their best football. Arsenal away on the 18th of October is where we'll see how we measure up. Hopefully Makelele still has plenty of fire in his belly!
 
Chelsea have loaned out (I think) 3 players to other Prem teams. Ethically is this right??? are the players allowed to face old clubs??

Say Chelsea are playing an important Championship game against any of the teams where players are loaned out to......

C.Cole "misses" an oppurtunity to score an equaliser against the club paying his wages....

I can see why its never been done before, with footy being such a huge business and with the gambling/match fixing that is rife in the game isnt this just gonna casue probs???
 
Hello Terry, yes the PS Experience was OK, lots of spotty teenagers though, and huge queues everywhere. Checked out lots of new stuff. Got my free goody bag on the way out (mag, demos, tshirt etc), then popped down the Bridge to get a Mutu "7" shirt, as he is the man. Scoring is second nature for the guy. Did you see how he rounded Friedel?

I'm hoping Makelele becomes a permanent fixture in the side. What's cool about him is that he 'will' stay back, and he doesn't mind playing second fiddle to all the forward running flair players. A humble hard working midfield general. I hope he can produce it at the Bridge.

I personally questioned Ranieri's starting formation against Blackburn, he's playing Veron out of position on the left and stuck Duff on the right. I know have a LF player on the right can sometimes work but.....and Veron needs to be central. I'd also stick Geremi on the right side of midfield and not central, not when we've got so many central midfielders already. How do you see the midfield shape up with Maka coming in Terry? Do you think it be a diamond with Maka at the back? I suspect he'll stick with a flat 4 though, as we like to use the flanks with Duff/Gronkjaer etc.
 
Vannizzlefashizzal said:
Chelsea have loaned out (I think) 3 players to other Prem teams. Ethically is this right??? are the players allowed to face old clubs??

Say Chelsea are playing an important Championship game against any of the teams where players are loaned out to......

C.Cole "misses" an oppurtunity to score an equaliser against the club paying his wages....

I can see why its never been done before, with footy being such a huge business and with the gambling/match fixing that is rife in the game isnt this just gonna casue probs???
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None of our players can play against us, as agreed with the loanee. In it's essence, there is nothing wrong with this new ruling - it's just that we were bought by a billionaire.

It means that young players at top clubs can still get Premiership experience by joining smaller clubs, which means that their growth isn't stunted.

What they didn't expect was for a team to get so big they could sign players and then just loan them out. It happens in Italy a lot, but I don't know how well it works. Personally, I think it's a good addition - but I would ammend the rules so that you can only bring two players in (as it is already) and only loan two players out. And so it doesn't affect team positions too dramatically, I would suggest that all players are recalled to their clubs sometime in April.

Your thoughts?
 
Ahhh I get it now,

fair enough...

in that case defo a good ruling in terms of getting the young players Prem Experience.

Dont think they should be recalled early though, if the player helps the team achieve a good position then thats okay, the manager has done his job by seeing the players value to the team plus it raises the players profile....

Dont see how that can harm anyone in the short or long term.....
 
Oh yeah, and i'd also start Mutu and Crespo up front. I think those 2 and Veron on the same pitch will be priceless in Europe, especially against the likes of Lazio.
In answer to your question Terry, loaning is a good thing, mostly for the young players, but this season its gone mental hasn't it?
 
Professor Nutmeg said:
Hello Terry, yes the PS Experience was OK, lots of spotty teenagers though, and huge queues everywhere. Checked out lots of new stuff. Got my free goody bag on the way out (mag, demos, tshirt etc), then popped down the Bridge to get a Mutu "7" shirt, as he is the man. Scoring is second nature for the guy. Did you see how he rounded Friedel?

I'm hoping Makelele becomes a permanent fixture in the side. What's cool about him is that he 'will' stay back, and he doesn't mind playing second fiddle to all the forward running flair players. A humble hard working midfield general. I hope he can produce it at the Bridge.

I personally questioned Ranieri's starting formation against Blackburn, he's playing Veron out of position on the left and stuck Duff on the right. I know have a LF player on the right can sometimes work but.....and Veron needs to be central. I'd also stick Geremi on the right side of midfield and not central, not when we've got so many central midfielders already. How do you see the midfield shape up with Maka coming in Terry? Do you think it be a diamond with Maka at the back? I suspect he'll stick with a flat 4 though, as we like to use the flanks with Duff/Gronkjaer etc.
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What I'd like to see:

__________________Cudicini_____________________

Johnson_______Gallas________Terry_________Bridge

__________________Makalele____________________

__________________Lampard_______________Duff__

_____Veron (all over the place)____________________

__________Mutu________________________________

___________________Crespo_____________________


Will I ever see it? Doubt it! I think Makalele will be pivotal, because it will mean a lot less work for Veron. He has worked really hard so far this season, but we all know it can't last!
 
Vannizzlefashizzal said:
Ahhh I get it now,

fair enough...

in that case defo a good ruling in terms of getting the young players Prem Experience.

Dont think they should be recalled early though, if the player helps the team achieve a good position then thats okay, the manager has done his job by seeing the players value to the team plus it raises the players profile....

Dont see how that can harm anyone in the short or long term.....
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What if Carlton or Forsell scores against Man U or the goons? As they can't play against us, technically it is unfair. But they can't realistically play against us, because if they were to score against us, their livelihood might be jeopardised at the club where they are contracted. I think that's a lot of the problem.

Or if Carlton scores the goals that keep Charlton up, and Wolves go down instead - is that unfair? It's got it's teething problems, but I think it's important for our youth. Pennant wasn't getting a sniff at Arsenal, Carlton at Chelsea, Mills at Leeds. They have another chance to show what they are about.
 
T Butcher fan said:
What if Carlton or Forsell scores against Man U or the goons? As they can't play against us, technically it is unfair. But they can't realistically play against us, because if they were to score against us, their livelihood might be jeopardised at the club where they are contracted. I think that's a lot of the problem.

Or if Carlton scores the goals that keep Charlton up, and Wolves go down instead - is that unfair? It's got it's teething problems, but I think it's important for our youth. Pennant wasn't getting a sniff at Arsenal, Carlton at Chelsea, Mills at Leeds. They have another chance to show what they are about.
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Well nothings gonna be perfect, the examples you mentioned are general footballing scenerios cos the player could also play f*ckin awful miss a pen against United and we win the league, the same couldve happened when Forsell was at Palace and they had a good cup run, its just one of those things, and again, if the manager had the foresight/contacts to get the player on loan then its a good piece of "managing" IMO...

Put it this way it doesnt leave the clubs/players as open to criticsm as the scenerios I thought of......
 
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Put it this way it doesnt leave the clubs/players as open to criticsm as the scenerios I thought of......
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Agreed, it's not a major problem but the FA have turned it into one by speaking out about how worried they are. Why did they agree to it then? Morons.....

Personally, I think it's a step in the right direction as long as Chairman (That means you, Roman!) don't try to abuse it.
 
T Butcher fan said:
Vannizzlefashizzal said:
Put it this way it doesnt leave the clubs/players as open to criticsm as the scenerios I thought of......
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Agreed, it's not a major problem but the FA have turned it into one by speaking out about how worried they are. Why did they agree to it then? Morons.....

Personally, I think it's a step in the right direction as long as Chairman (That means you, Roman!) don't try to abuse it.
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Well our FA is pretty shoddy at the best of times....

Just noticed you avatar T, is that the offical Chelsea Flag and if so what are the stars for???

On the international scene 1* = World Cup Winners

In domestic league 1* = 10 Championships...

Its bad enough man city having 3* on their flag, we know them as "The Liars" anyway, but what are Chelsea playing at??
 
No - nothing to do with trophies. It's the coat of arms of the Duke (Lord maybe?) of Chelsea. It was our badge until the aforementioned Duke sold his shares to Cabra Estates, the company who wanted to close us down.

Ken Bates took the whole thing to court, got our ground back and stopped the Duke from having anything to do with us ever again. Unfortunately, that meants the badge had to go, so we made another one.

It's part of a movement to get our badge back, but I doubt it will happen.
 
T Butcher fan said:
No - nothing to do with trophies. It's the coat of arms of the Duke (Lord maybe?) of Chelsea. It was our badge until the aforementioned Duke sold his shares to Cabra Estates, the company who wanted to close us down.

Ken Bates took the whole thing to court, got our ground back and stopped the Duke from having anything to do with us ever again. Unfortunately, that meants the badge had to go, so we made another one.

It's part of a movement to get our badge back, but I doubt it will happen.
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so this is why Bates is thought so highly of within Chelsea??

Well the team is often criticised for its "lack of history" but there writing some now......
 
T Butcher fan said:
None of our players can play against us, as agreed with the loanee. In it's essence, there is nothing wrong with this new ruling - it's just that we were bought by a billionaire.

It means that young players at top clubs can still get Premiership experience by joining smaller clubs, which means that their growth isn't stunted.

What they didn't expect was for a team to get so big they could sign players and then just loan them out. It happens in Italy a lot, but I don't know how well it works. Personally, I think it's a good addition - but I would ammend the rules so that you can only bring two players in (as it is already) and only loan two players out. And so it doesn't affect team positions too dramatically, I would suggest that all players are recalled to their clubs sometime in April.

Your thoughts?
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I think its good, and in general what Chelsea have done has been great for the game. By paying full price for a lot of top players Chelsea have helped out a load of clubs. Theyve saved West Ham from shattering debts and even given them enough money to by Connolly, which in turn helped Wimbledon out. Similary when Abramovic splashed the cash for Bridge it was enough to let Southampton be speculative themselves in the transfer market. Theyve brought players like Fitz Hall and that McCann bloke off Sunderland, which has helped out more clubs in crisis. Another thing they did was give Le Saux a huge "leaving gift" which meant he didnt need to demand huge wages so Southampton could sign him. Overall result, Chelsea get a very good Bridge, Southampton get Le Saux (a short term but proven replacement), and Le Saux gets 1st team football (& even tho his wages have gone down he got a bumper pay off anyway). Similarly they got Duff which allowed Blackburn to get Reid, Emerton and B.Ferguson, which helped out Milwall, Feyenoord and Rangers financially, as a bonus it also meant Rangers got Ostenstad and Emerson, as they now had a bit of cash. The good thing about Chelsea is theyve been above board the whole time, theyve never gone in for a player with the aim of ripping his club off. For instance they dont try and "tap" players up they always seem to approach the club first (and no clubs have complained about the way theyve acted except Real Madrid, but theyre not ones to talk anyway).

The loans are good. Its above board now and everyone knows whats going on... much better than the old system of clubs setting up feeder clubs all aroud europe. Now most players stay in the same country as the club with their signature, which is better in terms of managers being able to see how good they are and national call ups etc. For instance if you take Jeffers and say he'd been loaned to Lierse SK or Beia Maira (small clubs in Belgium and Portugal) instead of Everton. It would deny him the chance of playing in a higher quality league against top class defences, it would also harm his England chances. Now hes at Everton, they get a decent striker, Arsenal might get (in May) a better Jeffers more confident etc, the player gets regular games and greater chances of an England call up, England even get the chance that Jeffers and Rooney become a decent pair of strikers... all concerned get big benefits.

The old style loans also help out different clubs. Leon Knight gets 1st team football at Brighton, who themselves get the perfect Zamora replacement, Chelsea get one of their quality younger players getting the kind of development that he cant get from youth team or reserve football. Some might say that it gives Brighton an advantage over other Div 2 clubs, but there is nothing to stop the likes of Sheff Wed, QPR, or Tranmere loaning out players from clubs like Newcastle, Spurs or Liverpool.
 
Vannizzlefashizzal said:
so this is why Bates is thought so highly of within Chelsea??

Well the team is often criticised for its "lack of history" but there writing some now......
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For saving the club from disappearing single-handedly? Yes.

Because we weren't a 'glamourous' club, no one gave a flying fcuk (much like Oldham and Luton this summer) and the tabloids were more interested in writing about Arthur Albiston's drink drive 'shocka!'

As for a lack of history, we've been around for 100 years so a 'lack' of history is not a concern - I think you confuse history with trophies.
 
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The loans are good. Its above board now and everyone knows whats going on... much better than the old system of clubs setting up feeder clubs all aroud europe. Now most players stay in the same country as the club with their signature, which is better in terms of managers being able to see how good they are and national call ups etc. For instance if you take Jeffers and say he'd been loaned to Lierse SK or Beia Maira (small clubs in Belgium and Portugal) instead of Everton. It would deny him the chance of playing in a higher quality league against top class defences, it would also harm his England chances. Now hes at Everton, they get a decent striker, Arsenal might get (in May) a better Jeffers more confident etc, the player gets regular games and greater chances of an England call up, England even get the chance that Jeffers and Rooney become a decent pair of strikers... all concerned get big benefits.

The old style loans also help out different clubs. Leon Knight gets 1st team football at Brighton, who themselves get the perfect Zamora replacement, Chelsea get one of their quality younger players getting the kind of development that he cant get from youth team or reserve football. Some might say that it gives Brighton an advantage over other Div 2 clubs, but there is nothing to stop the likes of Sheff Wed, QPR, or Tranmere loaning out players from clubs like Newcastle, Spurs or Liverpool.
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I agree, 'feeder' clubs in Belgium etc. just sounds wrong - much better to keep players playing England.
 
Well, Geremi has received a 3 match ban after receiving that red card against Leicester. Shouldn't matter mind, especially as Makelele is coming in now, plus we have a plethora of midfield talent to choose from. Makes Claudio's job easier too.
 
Yeah, our midfield is really swamped with excellent players. I just hope Ranieri intends to let them all play. It's somewhat of a luxury problem, I guess.
 
Suspensions will be a blessing in disguise for us this season, I think. The only player we need playing week in, week out is Lampard. The rest can be replaced fairly easily.
 
I agree. Lampard is so important. He works hard, , wins the ball a lot, is dangerous in front of goal and spreads those passes well. Also, I think Terry will prove to be one of our best player in the weeks and months to come.

I'm very excited about the prospect of getting Makelele working well defensively. I think we really need a player like that. He could possibly bring some much-needed consistency in those hard-to-win games.
 
I think the future of Chelsea is going to revolve around Lampard & Joe Cole, they will be the future!! :)

Gotta Love Mutu though - he is now my god!!! :P
 
Yeah, Mutu is a class player. Definitely a regular in our starting lineup. I wonder how Crespo willl fare, though.
 
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