You're so awesome.
Bad news for italy
- Thread starter Jake_Hazuki
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You're so awesome.
sorry mate, did i make something wrong? if i did tell me, so i won't do it anymore
Well, if it was your intention to post a dozen times instead of just putting everything you wanted to say in just one post like people usually do, then no, everythings molto bene!
Well, if it was your intention to post a dozen times instead of just putting everything you wanted to say in just one post like people usually do, then no, everythings molto bene!
Not like it should matter on a forum with no post count. Plus, most of that stuff wouldn't fit in one post as I'm pretty sure there is a character limit.
lo zio
International
- 24 October 2005
- Team
- Palermo
i see, rentalkid. actually my intention was to move a conversation we had on another thread, and i thought it would have been a mess if i would have posted all this stuff in just 1 or 2 posts.:roll:
i know posting many times, one after one other, is usually considered unfair, but there's no posts counter here, so i thought it wouldn't have been considered as spam.
anyway it must be my fault, thanks Rentalkind
i think i'll have a loook to our forum rules
No prob, Rocky, i'm quite sure it was my fault...... but still thanks 
i know posting many times, one after one other, is usually considered unfair, but there's no posts counter here, so i thought it wouldn't have been considered as spam.
anyway it must be my fault, thanks Rentalkind
i think i'll have a loook to our forum rules
No prob, Rocky, i'm quite sure it was my fault...... but still thanks
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the style of policing is cure rather than prevention its quite obvious (ok so a few rules are starting to come into place in italy)
the fact remains the english reputation unfortunately STILL proceeds them ie any guy 30+ with skin-head in a footy shirt is wrongly probably considered abit of a nutta and uncultured.
Cure
Prevention
I was told that some areas in italian stadiums are considered "no-go" areas, it's a shame that it has come to this stage in those stadiums
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Before anyone starts to deconstruct, I know these are minor points in a larger debate but i will need more time and space to be able to fit here, so before you begin to make any long narcolyptic points/view. feel free. I love it.
the fact remains the english reputation unfortunately STILL proceeds them ie any guy 30+ with skin-head in a footy shirt is wrongly probably considered abit of a nutta and uncultured.
Cure
Prevention
I was told that some areas in italian stadiums are considered "no-go" areas, it's a shame that it has come to this stage in those stadiums
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Before anyone starts to deconstruct, I know these are minor points in a larger debate but i will need more time and space to be able to fit here, so before you begin to make any long narcolyptic points/view. feel free. I love it.
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lo zio
International
- 24 October 2005
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- Palermo
.... yep, mate..... but by who? by idiots uncultured and prejudiced persons. do u really care about what theese idiots think?
i'd say that some people "stereotypes" everybody: italians, americans, english, germans.....
but i really don't care about those idiots who consider italians like "mario bros" or mandolino players, or mafiosi or whatever..... and i think u shouldn't care about those idiots who consider englishmen like drunk hooligans.
honestly i don't know if this is true or not, so i can't tell u. but anyway we got so many problems...
i think that in the past 20 years we (italians) used to think that our situation was quite "normal". something like:
"the same things use to happen also in france, spain and in many other countries, we can't pretend all people in our stadia to be polite and educated and 2 dead people in 20 years is not so bad afterall".......... and other bullshits like theese.
but now the english experience is showing us how wrong is this. how a stadium can be as a cinema or a theatre, a place where people just enjoy a football match. we realized it and we're working on it. but u know, is not a quick change, it takes time.
Bingham67
Champions League
- 17 July 2005
I understand that it can be changed in time but like i said there was methods that would of prevented it. It does not take Einstein to work out the Police other night were setup completely wrong and this was a main catalyst for trouble.
Like i touched No Police on Roma side if there was this mess would not of happened because Roma fans would be scared to run up to it.
I still think Policeman should lose there jobs you cant just keep battering someone when there on the floor. That sort of scenes breads hatred to the Police what if that was your friend seriously the force they used there lucky no police are awaiting murder charges right now.
Something has to be done to the Police out there you cant get away with that more they do next time somebody might not be so fortunate.
Until someone grows some balls and stands up to this Polcie will continue to use it as a game. Really infuriated me to see the scenes trust me you dont need to be there that scene of old guy getting attacked is enough to condem the actions.
Like i touched No Police on Roma side if there was this mess would not of happened because Roma fans would be scared to run up to it.
I still think Policeman should lose there jobs you cant just keep battering someone when there on the floor. That sort of scenes breads hatred to the Police what if that was your friend seriously the force they used there lucky no police are awaiting murder charges right now.
Something has to be done to the Police out there you cant get away with that more they do next time somebody might not be so fortunate.
Until someone grows some balls and stands up to this Polcie will continue to use it as a game. Really infuriated me to see the scenes trust me you dont need to be there that scene of old guy getting attacked is enough to condem the actions.
lo zio
International
- 24 October 2005
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- Palermo
as i said before i understand the reasons of policemen's bad attitude, but i blame them too.
moreover Roma's questore (the questore is some sort of a police chief) just said that an inquiry has been opened yesterday, and that all those policemen who "violated" their duties will be fired . Penal trials will follow the inquiry
Bingham67
Champions League
- 17 July 2005
as i said before i understand the reasons of policemen's bad attitude, but i blame them too.
moreover Roma's questore (the questore is some sort of a police chief) just said that an inquiry has been opened yesterday, and that all those policemen who "violated" their duties will be fired . Penal trials will follow the inquiry
Well hope there is an inquiry into it there was a few Policeman who used ridiculous force there some of them waving them battons like maniacs.
as i said before i understand the reasons of policemen's bad attitude, but i blame them too.
moreover Roma's questore (the questore is some sort of a police chief) just said that an inquiry has been opened yesterday, and that all those policemen who "violated" their duties will be fired . Penal trials will follow the inquiry
yeah but lo zio, your politicians are saying that the police did nothing wrong.... thats the bigger issue im talking about here..
Just letting you know most Italian politicians are retards.
lo zio
International
- 24 October 2005
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- Palermo
what politicians say doesn't matter. afterall, what did u expect from them? this situation created some kind of a diplomatic incident between italy and england, and according to the fact that both of them (english supporters and italian policemen) have their responsabilities, each one of them try to underline just the points in their favour.
the only important thing is what our inquirers will say, what our judges will say. and thank God both of them (inquirers and judges) do not depend by government in italy
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Rocky, unfortunately u're right about most of our politicians (not all of them, btw ), but i think that every government in the world would have assumed the same position. it's quite natural.
the only important thing is what our inquirers will say, what our judges will say. and thank God both of them (inquirers and judges) do not depend by government in italy
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Rocky, unfortunately u're right about most of our politicians (not all of them, btw
), but i think that every government in the world would have assumed the same position. it's quite natural.
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thats the bigger issue here, for instance, arent the same people who go into trouble for the scandals that rocked italian football before the wordld cup, comming back and assuming the same roles they were fired from, or banned from, less then one year later...
lo zio
International
- 24 October 2005
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- Palermo
:shock: ?
actually not mate. we had a revolution.
new referee association managers, referee association president, new referee selectors, new lega calcio managers (the society that controls serie a) new federcalcio presindent (federcalcio is the italian FA)
.... as far as i know, nobody came back. and btw it would be impossible, as all those people were banned for 4, 5, 7 years (but no need to say that after4,5,7 years they won't come back as now they're "burned")
i heard the old ones are back... i need to go find where i read that...
lo zio
International
- 24 October 2005
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- Palermo
maybe i know what u're talking about. maybe u heard about Matarrese who is our new laga calcio president.
matarrese has already been lega calcio president (and also federcalcio president)....... but we're talking about 15 years ago!
he wasn't involved in the italian scandal this summer, coz he had nothing to do with football in italy in the last 15 years
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=419449&cc=5901
if this is true, then again, its a bigger issue then football violence...
if this is true, then again, its a bigger issue then football violence...
lo zio
International
- 24 October 2005
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- Palermo
i don't get it mate, why "bigger issue"? if that's true, the dinamyc of the death of agent raciti is different and that boy is not guilty. Where's the "bigger issue"?
btw, i read that testimony, and i have to admit that is very very weak. in the end that policeman wasn't even sure of what i saw,so...:roll:
btw the lawyer of the guy is, obviously, "riding this horse" and this could become his strategic line, during the next stages of the trial.
we'll see.
i'd be very happy if that guy wouldn't be guilty, but as i said, that testimony is really weak.
talking about the "italian supporters situation" this wouldn't change anything btw.
i mean if that guy didn't kill raciti, then it's good news for him, but our problem is not the situation of that guy or the death of agent raciti (wich is just a tragic consequence of our problem), but the disorders, wich are undenyable.
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cause it looks like a coverup.... is there a murder weapon? are there any witnesses?i don't get it mate, why "bigger issue"? if that's true, the dinamyc of the death of agent raciti is different and that boy is not guilty. Where's the "bigger issue"?
btw, i read that testimony, and i have to admit that is very very weak. in the end that policeman wasn't even sure of what i saw,so...:roll:
btw the lawyer of the guy is, obviously "riding this horse" and this could become his strategic line, during the next stages of the trial.
we'll see.
i'd be very happy if that guy wouldn't be guilty, but as i said, that testimony is really weak.
talking about the "italian supporters situation" this wouldn't change anything btw.
i mean if that guy didn't kill raciti, then it's good news for him, but our problem is not the situation of that guy or the death of agent raciti (wich is just a tragic consequence of our problem), but the disorders, wich are undenyable.
lo zio
International
- 24 October 2005
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- Palermo
no coverups mate. it was a riot. it's almost impossible to find a witness, i mean a credible witness. and about the murder weapon, well if u take a look at the images u'll see something like 1000 possibles weapon murder, sticks, fire estinguishers (:shock: ) pieces of chairs, chains.
and, most important of all, there wouldn't be any reason to create a coverup. as i told u before, here in italy the pubblic attorney isn't elected by the people. it has no pressure. he doesn't have "to find a guilty no matter what", he's absolutely free (wich is a great thing).
in this system "coverups" have no meaning, are useless.
and, most important of all, there wouldn't be any reason to create a coverup. as i told u before, here in italy the pubblic attorney isn't elected by the people. it has no pressure. he doesn't have "to find a guilty no matter what", he's absolutely free (wich is a great thing).
in this system "coverups" have no meaning, are useless.
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hahahhahaahah cmon man, you live in a society run by mafiosos and corrupt politicians, and you trying to tell me coverups have no meaning...
MO_DINERO
瞬獄殺!
- 29 July 2004
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- Liverpool Football Club
Add gangsters to this sentence and you have the U S of A
gerd
Retired Footballer
You know that i like you very much CSaunders, but the last days you are using rather cheap shots: the role of the Belgian chocolate eaters in Africa and now "a society run by mafiosos and corrupt politicians"...this is almost racist... and that only for a football riot...
I was not in Rome (nor in Sevilla, but that was "only" Spurs and i bet you don't matter much about that) and so i can only talk about what our chocolate eating journalists are writing. Video's proved that Man Utd (and in Sevilla Spurs') "fans" started the riots...
If the Roma "fans" (they are not angels, i know) run riot in Manchester i bet you will the defend the English police and that in no circumstances you would talk about a cover-up...
But that's not my point, i admit that i haven't enough knowledge to participate in the discussions about the riots in Rome (but then again, who on this forum has???) so i' apologize for what i just wrote...
But please my friend stop making cheap stereotypes...
200_pesos
Guille, no te olvidare!!!
HAHA mafiosos and corrupt politicians? CSaunders have you looked at OUR OWN government?! Dude the words corrupt and politician go hand in hand...
Mafiosos? Dude come on why are you attacking his whole country, Italy is not run by what you claim, sure there's plenty of instability there but they don't go around terrorizing other nations who they helped arm in the first place, do they now? You need to examine your own country's situation before attacking another. In Colombia, where I'm originally from, it's ten times worse than it is in Italy, the "mafiosos" and corrupt politicians work together in some ways even, publicly. Even America has openly aided terrorists, ever hear of the Iran-Contra scandal? These are people we ourselves have put into power.
I think you're just sore because Italy won the cup and the USA crashed out in the first round, and the only way the USA national team scored against Italy was through an own goal (Note: I actually like watching the USA NT play, I'm just saying this to demonstrate, essentially, what you're saying to the Italian users of this forum, in a slightly different context).
Mafiosos? Dude come on why are you attacking his whole country, Italy is not run by what you claim, sure there's plenty of instability there but they don't go around terrorizing other nations who they helped arm in the first place, do they now? You need to examine your own country's situation before attacking another. In Colombia, where I'm originally from, it's ten times worse than it is in Italy, the "mafiosos" and corrupt politicians work together in some ways even, publicly. Even America has openly aided terrorists, ever hear of the Iran-Contra scandal? These are people we ourselves have put into power.
I think you're just sore because Italy won the cup and the USA crashed out in the first round, and the only way the USA national team scored against Italy was through an own goal (Note: I actually like watching the USA NT play, I'm just saying this to demonstrate, essentially, what you're saying to the Italian users of this forum, in a slightly different context).
MO_DINERO
瞬獄殺!
- 29 July 2004
- Team
- Liverpool Football Club
:applause: Very well said amigo.
lo zio
International
- 24 October 2005
- Team
- Palermo
well mate, my city and my region (sicily) have still enourmous problems, talking about mafia. but of course, this has nothing to do with what happened in catania.
when u talk about mafia u talk about corruption,loans, narcotraffic, tenders contracts.
it might sound strange, but they never "covered up" anything. Till 25 years ago, when they really used to run sicily, they were so powerful they didn't need to cover up anything....today they find easier to run when our pubblic attorneys and magistrates are following their traces.
i didn't meant to tell u that i live in a perfect society. we still have monumental problems, but coverups isn't one of them. as i told u before, our system is very different from usa system. we got different problems. coverups are a big issue in usa, but in usa the role of the pubblic attorney is completely different from the italian one.
just to give u an idea: we know everything about the sicilian mafia; their organization, their ties with some politicians, their affairs, their members... every fucking time those bastards killed one of us, we discovered, they never managed to cover up anything.
but mate, there's one fact that more than what i wrote till now, will make u understand why coverups have no meaning here.
It's so IMPOSSIBLE to stop our magistrates, that there's just 1 way for mafiosi to avoid their crimes being discovered. Killing our magistrates.
U know, sicily is famous just for mafia and corrupt politicians. but each coin has 2 faces. And it's sad to notice that nobody knows the "other side of the coin"; our great magistrates, people who gave their lives to clean sicily and his image.... people who fought ALONE (as there was no state, no politicians beside them) against the world's most powerful criminal organization..... and WON.
When Tommaso Buscetta (ex-mafioso, first testimony in the famous maxi-trial of the 80s) told Giovanni Falcone that he was going too far, that he was discovering too many things about the ties between mafia and sicilian politicians, falcone replied: "who do u think u're talking to! I'm a sicilian magistrate, i know they'll kill me, but as long as i'll stay alive, i'll do everything i can to catch them.... i know that sooner or later i'll be killed...... and that's the reason why i have to hurry up and discover as many things i can, before they'll get me".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Falcone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Borsellino
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocco_Chinnici
theese are just a few of them. i could name others 20 magistrates (the word "heroes" would be more appropriate than magistrates)that followed the same path....... Antonino Caponnetto, Giuseppe Aricò, Salvatore Niscemi, Giuseppe Cangelosi, Michele Izzo and many others...
they were the reason why i decided to study law.
now, u may believe me or not, but there's no room for the word "coverup" in an italian magistrate dictionary.
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lo zio
International
- 24 October 2005
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- Palermo
mate, i agree with some of the things u're saying, and i appreciate yours (and gerd's and mo dinero's) efforts to "defend my country", but i don't think csaunders meant to be mean, and i don't think meant to be sore coz of italy national football team's achievements.
csaunders is just a onlooker man (and this is a great thing) and he likes to explore each possibility..... and i like it because this gives me a chance to explain a couple of things and to dismantle some wrong informations about my country
for example, mafia isn't an italian problem... it's a sicilian problem. if u'd talk to a firenze citizen, a napoli or roma or torino or milano or venezia citizen about mafia, u'd realize that they don't know anything about it (like almost everybody in the world). Mafia it's a sicilian problem. italy isn't run by mafiosi and corrupt politicians..... sicily is run by them....... better, sicily was ran by them, as today the situation is very different. nowadays all the most importants bosses of the last 20 years are in prison. our police forces, our magistrates are reaching great achievements in their war against mafia. of course mafia is still alive, but now we destroyed mafia's hierarchies, we hitted their chiefs, and mafia lost 90% of their power on the sicilian teritory.
they have no chiefs anymore, they have no money anymore (as we reached their bankary accounts) (and this is most important). we made more in the last 20 years than in the previous 100 years in our battle against mafiosi.
sorry for this little off topic
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bebo
Looking for a Manager
about csaunders I would love to say his post is all sour grapes,but I know his family comes from Italy so he thinks he has the right to say anything wants... Rudolph W. Giuliani for president :mrgreen:
How does it feel to be jumped on ! j@king
How does it feel to be jumped on ! j@king
lo zio
International
- 24 October 2005
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- Palermo
mate, it doesn't matter if he has italian origins or not. the only important thing is that (and i can notice it by reading his posts) that he doesn't want to attack anybody, he just wants to understand.....like many people on this forum...
...and that's the reason why i like to chat with him (like with many people on this forum