Bad news for italy

mate, . the only important thing is that (and i can notice it by reading his posts) that he doesn't want to attack anybody, he just wants to understand.....like many people on this forum...
...and that's the reason why i like to chat with him (like with many people on this forum ;)

Bullshit! he loves to attack that what he does... he just read a few lines and runs with it. Your the only person Who looks for the good in people until you find their motives then you attack

csaunders defends or attacks and besides gangsters R all from Jersey :mrgreen: *cough**sopranos*cough*
 
Your the only person Who looks for the good in people until you find their motives then you attack

sorry mate, what does the word "motives" mean? :) never heard it before.

btw mate, i can't consider this phrase as an attack.
you live in a society run by mafiosos and corrupt politicians

as i said before, mafia nowadays is really weaker than 20 years ago, but it isn't already dead...... at all.
the actual regione Sicilia president (which is something like us state governors) is at the moment under investigation (by our magistrates) for his supposed ties with some mafia families.

so, as u can see mafia is far from vanished. But as i said before, sicilians politicians have no control over our magistrates, who are absolutely free in their activity.
our system rules make coverups impossibles in italy.... our rules and the undenyable morality of our magistrates (who are very different from our politicians).

and i'd say that the fact that a pool of sicilian magistrates are investigating about our governor activities, is a perfect evidence of what i'm talking about :)

btw guys, this has been a nice, enjoyable and fair conversation till now..... let's keep it on this level ;)
 
motives = there intenions (motivi)or(del ritrovamento intenzioni là)
:lol: *whiteFlag*

gosh, it was so obvious.... motives = motivi :lol:
thanks mate;)
and btw, no need to lift white flags, we weren't fighting... or at least, if we were, i didn't notice it :lol:

:)
 
Hey just want to clarify, my sour grapes comment was a joke, to illustrate basically what he was saying to lo zio (not the best example maybe).
 
^^

no my translation w/ a person giving me the spelling

:D

Hey just want to clarify, my sour grapes comment was a joke, to illustrate basically what he was saying to lo zio (not the best example maybe).

;)




gettin' back on topic...
domestic affairs minister opened today (another) inquiry about Stadio Olimpico incidents.

....we'll see :)
 
HAHA mafiosos and corrupt politicians? CSaunders have you looked at OUR OWN government?! Dude the words corrupt and politician go hand in hand...

Mafiosos? Dude come on why are you attacking his whole country, Italy is not run by what you claim, sure there's plenty of instability there but they don't go around terrorizing other nations who they helped arm in the first place, do they now? You need to examine your own country's situation before attacking another. In Colombia, where I'm originally from, it's ten times worse than it is in Italy, the "mafiosos" and corrupt politicians work together in some ways even, publicly. Even America has openly aided terrorists, ever hear of the Iran-Contra scandal? These are people we ourselves have put into power.

I think you're just sore because Italy won the cup and the USA crashed out in the first round, and the only way the USA national team scored against Italy was through an own goal (Note: I actually like watching the USA NT play, I'm just saying this to demonstrate, essentially, what you're saying to the Italian users of this forum, in a slightly different context).
as bebo noted im Sicilian in lineage... belsito is my sicilian namesake.. Sure this is corruption in the United States, althought what your talking about in regards to arming terroists is certainly up to debate, in your context.. Now as for your USA comments, were not talking about USA now are we? If you want to open a Problems with USA football thread, then go for it...

I have nothing against the italians on this forum, but i find it funny that its impossible to have a coverup in a country where nepotisim, corruption, political wrangling, are all common place.. but hey im learning, lo zio is a smart and he is education me on the magistrate, which is seprerate from policticans

p.s.
if you really think that iran-contra was a open attempt at helping terrorist, then you really should read more history books
 
First off, the Iran-Contra, wasn't openly done but it was aiding terrorism, but secondly I have no problems with the USA, I was just stating simple facts man. Plenty of things can be up for debate, and I didn't say you have anything against anyone. I was just pointing out parts of your argument which maybe you need to think through just a bit more, before you go on a big argument with a guy about politicians. It's good that Lo Zio is helping you learn about magistrates, wonderful.
 
good Idea to bring in Italian police to control Italian fans :roll: smile your on camera :D

Good idea if they recognize known hooligans from home. English police used to travel to away games and film the crowd. I travelled away with Stockport and United and it was the same coppers every week.
 
sorry guys, but it's not about learning or teaching. i'm not teaching anything.... i'm just sharing some informations (objective) and views (personal), like everybody here. :)


as bebo noted im Sicilian in lineage... belsito is my sicilian namesake..
:) didn't know it, Csaunders :)

gettin back on topic:

from espn news:

ROME, April 13 (Reuters) - Italy, still smarting after last week's clashes between Manchester United fans and police in Rome, are taking a big step toward a more English-style security scheme swapping police for stewards in stadiums.

This week's decision, which aims to gradually replace police with stewards, comes just days before UEFA's Executive Committee decides who will host the 2012 European soccer championship.

Italy is a candidate, as are Ukraine-Poland and Croatia-Hungary.

Italy already has stewards in stadiums but Interior Minister Giuliano Amato said that this week's 'protocol of understanding' commits sporting authorities to give stewards the training they need to carry out the security tasks now handled by police.

Amato said the plan would eventually make police 'superfluous', and compared it to English-style security. It was not clear how long it would take for police to be completely eliminated from stadiums.

'I have an appreciation for the English model. We ourselves are heading in that direction and this agreement is a testament to that,' Amato told reporters.

At least 18 fans were injured in clashes between police and rival fans at last week's Champions League quarter-final first leg in Rome, sparking accusations by United and their supporters of heavy-handedness by Italian police.

Rome security officials deny wrongdoing. Amato tried his best to strike a conciliatory tone at the signing ceremony for the stewards measure on Thursday, saying 'we try to see the vices and virtues on both sides'.

'There is no doubt that during the Rome-Manchester match at the Olympic stadium there was one policeman who used his truncheon excessively against a person on the ground,' he said. (:applause: )

'But to judge our police based on that single image is distortion ... The worst things happened outside (the stadium). There were injuries caused by stabbings and certainly not by police.'

Achille Serra, the government official responsible for public security in Rome, repeatedly defended the police saying they acted properly and decisively.

Amato, speaking about the English model, said he admired the speed with which British security responded at stadiums.

'Part of the English model is also the immediacy with which one acts against who carries out acts of violence in the stadiums, and this, I think, is the best deterrent.'

link to the article
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=421300&cc=5739

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concerning the agent Raciti's death, yesterday italian tv showed an important video. Raciti was visibly limping and touching his own flank....
the intersting thing is that this video has been filmed 18 mins before that accident with the police car (the same accident that policeman was talking about in that testimony).
So the "accident theory" and that testimony becomes even weaker than before.

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concerning calciopoli (moggi-gate):
yesterday the pm (magistrates) Beatrice and Narducci formalized their accusations to all the people who was involved in the moggi scandal, this summer.
all the sentences and punishments we saw till now were from sport authorities and sport courts.
Yesterday the criminal trial started, as the "investigation phase" finished.
48 "avvisi di garanzia" (formal accusation acts) have been sent to 48 people (moggi, giraudo, 14 refs, 15 linesmen, ex federcalcio managers and some serie a clubs financial managers, like Fabiani, financial manager of Messina football team).

the accusations are for "associazione a delinquere".... honestly i don't know how to translate it, but it's one of the heaviest criminal accusations..

things will get very intersting soon.....;)
 
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When Tommaso Buscetta (ex-mafioso, first testimony in the famous maxi-trial of the 80s) told Giovanni Falcone that he was going too far, that he was discovering too many things about the ties between mafia and sicilian politicians, falcone replied: "who do u think u're talking to! I'm a sicilian magistrate, i know they'll kill me, but as long as i'll stay alive, i'll do everything i can to catch them.... i know that sooner or later i'll be killed...... and that's the reason why i have to hurry up and discover as many things i can, before they'll get me".

That man made good bread! Forget the crime!

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That man made good bread! Forget the crime!

bread? never heard about this


are these claims true rides a bike to the stadium

all the players and coaches that signed for inter always have nice words for Moratti (ronaldo, kanu, roberto carlos, sukur, baggio, henry, djorkaeff, salas, hodgson, simoni, lucescu)...
they always talked about him as a classy man....old italian style
 
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