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BobbyBox said:
He can't ignore it and he would have read it and did whatever he wants with it, but it still doesn't make any difference. Just because he didn't come out and say anything after it, doesn't mean he just ignored it.

The letter should make us think that we should be glad that Uzmanov is not the majority shareholder as his petty one up manship is clearly contradicting himself in that he says he wants the best for the club. Also the fact that David Dean is strongly connected with them and his son does his very best to organise moves away from Arsenal for all of our best players. Anyone with a bit of sense can see what they are trying to do and it isn't for the best of Arsenal it is for the best for them.

If this open letter happened with a well respected member of the board, then it would be a bit of a crisis and would make me think harder about it. But once you know it is from Uzmanov, you have to take it for what it is and that is a great big fat piece of propaganda for the interests of Uzmanov and nobody else.

You say because he released the statement after Van Persie shows it is 'obviously' a crisis? why? it was obviously orchestrated by Uzmanov to be that way and as I said backfired on him and Van Persie. There was no crisis, but Uzmanov wanted there to be one for sure.

The only crisis I can foresee is Uzmanov having a controlling share in Arsenal and it seems like they are trying to stop that as much as possible which is a great thing imo.

The statement about Gazidis calling the Russian company is below and we have only heard it from Uzmanovs corner, which should be taken with a huge pinch of salt and it was designed to undermine Gazidis.

*'Secondly, OJSC MegaFon (Russia) received a cold call letter from Mr Gazidis requesting a meeting to discuss a possible international partnership deal including shirt sponsorship. MegaFon is one of the three largest mobile phone companies in Russia and also happens to be over 50% owned by Alisher Usmanov. Is this really the level of professionalism that is being applied to securing long-term commercial contracts?'

I don't know about you, but other businesses I have been in, when you show interest in a company you look at the basics/fundamentals of what you need and then ask if they would like to meet to discuss. If they accept, then you look much further into the company and how they are formed and what is behind the scenes. There is no point wasting time and energy searching about every detail of a company before you even know if they will be interested in speaking to you?

Anyway, I always counter because I don't like people to just believe one side of a story or a news article or an opinion. There could be many reasons why things are happening the way they are.

I also think fans should be appeased by the signings of Podolski and Giroud as well as Cazorla? I think you keep forgetting about them because they haven't lit up the world in their first two games.

The Walcott situation I have mentioned a couple of times in the last page or so and as you know I don't think it is mismanaged, because I understand why they are in this position and 95% goes to Walcott and his associates and I think Arsenal have done the right thing personally.

Especially if there was no chance of getting a replacement for him before the transfer deadline and even if we could, Walcott has all the experience in the prem. Who is to say how long a new person would take to settle in?....and we have a very tough month up ahead and we need the team as settled as possible.

I really do think your reasonings are tainted by exact print of what papers and other people who really don't know what is going on say, rather than thinking about things more broadly and asking yourself, why are they doing this? what could the other reasons be? etc

Because if I have learned anything, it is not to trust the papers and not to trust Big Fat Uzbekistani Billionaires ;))
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You're almost sounding like I'm on Usmanov's side mate. Gimme a break :LOL:
I'm questioning things because I like to question, to contest. I'm not happy with the way football is being run at Arsenal and I'm not gonna wear the tinted glasses most Arsenal fans seem to do.

You're taking everything I say and twist it to look one-sided. I didn't forget or write off Podolski and Giroud. I left them out of my argument on purpose because they were signed before the RvP statement.

I still think what happened last month was a political crisis inside the club. Two major shareholders colliding like that is like Civil War. Or should I say colliding really? Silent Stan is just taking everything on the chin.
Forget that it was orchestrated, and think of it as a PR exercise. The stakeholders who are closer or more involved with the club might know the truth about Usmanov. But what about the press, the people in the outer circles?
I still think that open letter shouldn't have gone unanswered. Never seen such apathy before in my life.
It's as if they're trying to ignore Usmanov and shut him off reality. You can't pretend the guy doesn't exist. He owns 29% of the club and when he talks shit like that it's bad for the club.

Let's be clear on this: I don't like Jabba the Hutt either. The link with Dein father and son is obvious and stinks of sabotage all over it.
But on the other hand, what is Kroenke doing to make things right? He isn't doing anything to endear himself to the fans. There's nothing substantial, not a single thing we can use to defend him.

Like I said, we're between a rock and a hard place. Usmanov is a fat prick and Kroenke for all we know is just an absent investor who visits London once every 2 years and just lets his people run the club for him, as long as he gets his return on investment.

My reasonings are not tainted by anything other than frustration maybe. I have no doubt that those statements are a political maneuver from Usmanov. But in turn, what is Kroenke giving us? What do you have to say in his defense, Bobby? I'd say he's suspect to say the least.

I'll always support Arsenal but I cannot support this current ownership with the way things are going.
 
WOAH Look at tottenham and how they made some clutch signing on that final day of the transfer window!

YET! WE DIDNT MAKE ANY!!!!! **** OFFF!!!!

that SPURSS team and heck that NEWCASTLE squad look better than ours!
 
Well you won't hear Silent Stan complaining :P

Once more we finish a transfer window with a positive balance. Hey, we're a healthy business! I with they had a trophy for that...

So fucking frustrating this deadline day, and seeing Dempsey going to Spurs for SIX million pounds. It's like it was Boxing Day and Wenger forgot his wallet home.
 
Wow , Arsenal are closer to paying their debt \0/ Moneybags to the bank jizzy!. Wenger must really have hope for Diaby. What is Wenger going to do ? If! Theo says nah.... I won`t sign I`ll go Flamini-free . Huh? You live here and you`re English.

On the bright side... We rid almost all the deadwood. Arshavin will hardly feature :BRICK: and Squillaci has a contract til 2013 he`ll take golf lessons for the remaining year! I think Arsenal has too many new players tbh. Everyone plays w/ a mild-dyslexia and adding more players might take us taking special classes w/ pop-up books. Let the season continue...

So, ManCity has a good core, Mutd are in top shape they can play blind folded, except for *RVP and it shows. Chelsea played a good side and was molested in front of the World. Matteo park the bus AGAIN, don`t fool yourself you are no tactician.

Liverpool WTF! they seem to build a surrounding wall w/o windows or doors.¿RM needs a DM in Essien ? loans out Nuri. You can rest assure, Nuri is staying at Pool! QPR pulled an Arsenal panic buys, it might work out. Fulham they removed their backbone and replaced it w/ foam. Stokes did good and manage to steal someone`s magic hat, to present themselves as a football club tonight. I think it safe to say...PL will be exciting and money is flowing like milk n honey! Lyon try to sell everyone even the groundsmen were sold.
 
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Dempsey is a good player but it seems like everybody is building him up to be the greatest player in the world. He is a good player IMO nothing more. The last 6 months his reputation has rocketed and everybody is talking about him.

We already have good players, we need special players to make that difference IMO.

We needed a special dm and a striker IMO. We couldn't get either so are we just supposed to buy people because people just want us to spend money?

Don't get me wrong I would have loved to have seen a couple of new signings, but only top quality ones.
 
Dempsey is a very good player for £6m.
We're obviously short and we could use some strength in depth in this squad. Dempsey is an example of a hard working team player who wouldn't mind starting out as a sub in his new club.

I'll tell you what, we played Sunderland and Stoke so far. No new additions to the squad were made. But shit's about to get serious from now on, we'll have Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd and City in a short space of time.
By this point last season we had been mauled by Man Utd and went into a "panic" shopping spree that saw us signing Arteta, and good additions like Mertesacker, Santos and the Benayoun loan. Benayoun and Santos gave us the 3 points against the WBA that we so badly needed to qualify for CL. And I think I don't have to say how important Arteta has become to this team.

Arsenal is acting as if we've finished 15 points above Tottenham last season. Looked at what they did in the transfer market and look at us.
Get ready to fall off your horses.
 
What did spurs get with dembele and Dempsey? Two players that I don't think are as good as the two they let go IMO.
 
BobbyBox said:
What did spurs get with dembele and Dempsey? Two players that I don't think are as good as the two they let go IMO.
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I agree, Lloris is actually the best signing they've made this summer. They have some decent GKs now.
Dembele is not even close to Modric in quality. Dempsey and VdV are pretty much the same, I like VdV much more though.

Arsenal needed to sign a DM and a striker but they didn't, this season might be a nightmare for them if they fail to produce goals.
Tomorrow we'll see a battle of two teams who were rather shy on the deadline day, Rodgers didn't have enough money and Arsene is stingy as we know it.
 
Very tough game today, Liverpool looked very good against City and playing at Anfield is never easy. This is where our players need to start showing their stuff.

Lets hope we get a good result and one of the new boys score :))(be happy for just us scoring in general :PP)

To be honest though a draw would be a good result for us at Anfield, but so would it against City and if we draw all our hard games this month we will have about 5 points :LOL:

Here's hoping we can get the 3 points!
 
Dembele will become as good as Modric. Did you watch Dembele against Man Utd? He was by far the best player on the pitch, by far...
 
gerd said:
Dembele will become as good as Modric. Did you watch Dembele against Man Utd? He was by far the best player on the pitch, by far...
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He is a very good player no doubt his goal yesterday was great as well, but I still think he has a lot to live up to with Modric. Modric made Spurs tick.

At the moment I don't think selling Modric and Van Der Vaart and replacing them with Dembele and Dempsey is increasing Spurs as a team, time will tell though.

It was mainly to people saying 'look at spurs and who they bought' and I was just saying they also just replaced these players imo that are not as good as the ones they let go.

I was just putting things into perspective to some Arsenal fans.
 
gerd said:
Dembele will become as good as Modric. Did you watch Dembele against Man Utd? He was by far the best player on the pitch, by far...
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No doubt he's a good player and he always shines even when his team is losing but I still don't think he's on the same level as Modric, he might become as good as him though who knows.

P.S. Man United players suck so it was obvious he would be the standing out player :P
I know your a big fan of Dembele since you rated him higher than Hazard and probably you know him better since he's your compatriot and I've just been watching since he came to Fulham and I wouldn't say he's better than Hazard, even Fellaini is better than him but time will tell, Belgium seems to have build a dream team now I hope they won't fail to qualify for WC2014.
 
besarti said:
No doubt he's a good player and he always shines even when his team is losing but I still don't think he's on the same level as Modric, he might become as good as him though who knows.

P.S. Man United players suck so it was obvious he would be the standing out player :P
I know your a big fan of Dembele since you rated him higher than Hazard and probably you know him better since he's your compatriot and I've just been watching since he came to Fulham and I wouldn't say he's better than Hazard, even Fellaini is better than him but time will tell, Belgium seems to have build a dream team now I hope they won't fail to qualify for WC2014.
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Why does everyone believe Fellaini is so good? There's no doubting he had talent but, that talent seems to be wasted by the fact he insists on fouling and bullying other players.
 
WE SCORED!;))

Not playing the best, but hopefully better second half coming up.

Jenkinson looked a bit shaky at the beginning but has come into the game well, with some great challenges.

Diaby is looking good, sometimes he just needs a bit more urgency on the ball sometimes.

Merts was caught at the beginning and with that early yellow was a worry, but he has got much better as the game has gone on.

Gibbs getting forward is leaving us a bit exposed which is a worry, but hopefully we can get going in the second half because Liverpool have looked threatening.

Come on Giroud follow Podolski and get a goal :))
 
Great win, not playing our best but got the result and two out of three new boys got a goal each.

Jenkinson was really good, hopefully he can keep that up. Diaby, Arteta and Cazorla look really good in the centre.

Giroud is finding it tough for his first few games, but I still think he is working hard and pulling defenders out and holding the ball up. He just needs a goal for a bit of confidence.

Defence looked good again, another clean sheet which is fantastic and we have Koscielny back as well.

All in all, to go to Anfield and win 2-0 is a great result. Although we didn't play fantastically well.
 
Don't want to rain on your parade, but was Arsenal that good or Liverpool that bad?
The most important thing is that you scored and got 3 points, you can build on that. The good play will surely.
I'm not so sure about Diaby, at times he was great, but he has something very careless in his play...you constantly got the impression he could be much better.

About Dembele - Dempsey. I don't think they will have immediate impact. I never said Dembele is already as good as Modric, but he has everything to be as good: superb skills, he is very strong and he is good defensively too (he was to player who succeded most tackles in the EPL last season). What a pity he almost never scores (i know it's a strange moment to write this, but that is his weak point...).
 
gerd said:
Don't want to rain on your parade, but was Arsenal that good or Liverpool that bad?
The most important thing is that you scored and got 3 points, you can build on that. The good play will surely.
I'm not so sure about Diaby, at times he was great, but he has something very careless in his play...you constantly got the impression he could be much better.

About Dembele - Dempsey. I don't think they will have immediate impact. I never said Dembele is already as good as Modric, but he has everything to be as good: superb skills, he is very strong and he is good defensively too (he was to player who succeded most tackles in the EPL last season). What a pity he almost never scores (i know it's a strange moment to write this, but that is his weak point...).
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I don't think we played that well, that is why I mentioned it in my post :DD

But there were a lot of positives from that game. If you listened to the commentators then apparently Liverpool played us off the park in many areas, so they couldn't have played that badly :LOL:

When Diaby is in full flow though he is great, I agree he needs more urgency, he gets caught out a bit. But if he can stay fit (:LOL:) he is a great player to have for us.
 
3pts a clean sheet w/ goals! Giroud is such a strong bloke ...we dont know how to cross a ball to the man though. A tough place to get 1pt. Much less all 3. Liverpool looked dangerous at times I hope they do well.
 
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3pts a clean sheet w/ goals! Giroud is such a strong bloke ...we dont know how to cross a ball to the man though. A tough place to get 1pt. Much less all 3. Liverpool looked dangerous at times I hope they do well.
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Yeah I think our players think Giroud is a foot taller than he actually is :LOL:
 
I thought Gibbs' overall passing and crossing was very poor. If a better crosser played on that left side, I'm sure Giroud would've had a couple of good chances.
 
Yeah great win today. Our joy at Anfield goes on! :D

Good to see a progress in defense. Bouldy is making an impact, we can feel it already. Three consecutive clean sheets and all that. But Manonne was shaky as hell today, we need SZCZ back really quick.

Still lots of things to work on. Our wide men have to learn how to cross, otherwise they'll be breaking Giroud's neck.
I thought Gibbs was a bit of a prick shouting at Giroud when he missed his chance. I'd have shouted back to him "Shut the f*ck up and learn how to cross you little prick!", but that's just me :P

Truth be told though, our attack does seem short of capable players. Giroud today was a step back from what we saw at Stoke. But even if he clicks and starts scoring, his only backup is Chamakh. Then for the wingers, Gervinho, Arshavin and contract rebel Walcott all went down in the pecking order, with Oxlade-Chamberlain putting an awesome performance once again. But when it came to replace our wingers, Wenger used Ramsey and Andre Santos! That might say a lot for his plans for Walcott, Gervinho and Arshavin. These guys, along with Chamakh aren't exactly great options to have. That's why I wanted to see an attacker signed.

As for the midfield, the trio was excellent in possession. But when it came to defending, Arteta was left alone for most of the time, I felt Diaby allowed them some freedom.
That aside, Diaby was fantastic, I've never seen him play like that! By far the best performance I remember from him.
Cazorla was quality again and I'm happy he grabbed his goal too, he deserved it.

@Bobby, I'm not disputing here the quality Spurs let go and signed to replace. I quite like Dembele, and while Dempsey might not be all that, he's a very hard working player who makes any squad stronger. My main point is that Spurs replaced. Arsenal didn't. Before selling RvP, Wenger was saying that Giroud and Podolski weren't signed to replace him. But after he left, we didn't see the replacement. Even worse, we saw Song leaving without a replacement. This makes me really edgy man, knowing how Diaby, Rosicky and Ramsey struggle with fitness, I really do think Wenger has neglected our long term durability in that department.

Anyways, there's not much we can do now, and this win might lift us to a very good season. COYG!
 
I'm not sure if Gibbs would ever cross it to Giroud again as he got completely mad at him because of that silly, selfish play in the first half. That was so annoying from Giroud imo.

Cazorla was simply fantastic.
 
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Truth be told though, our attack does seem short of capable players. Giroud today was a step back from what we saw at Stoke. But even if he clicks and starts scoring, his only backup is Chamakh. Then for the wingers, Gervinho, Arshavin and contract rebel Walcott all went down in the pecking order, with Oxlade-Chamberlain putting an awesome performance once again. But when it came to replace our wingers, Wenger used Ramsey and Andre Santos! That might say a lot for his plans for Walcott, Gervinho and Arshavin. These guys, along with Chamakh aren't exactly great options to have. That's why I wanted to see an attacker signed.
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I thought this was a weird comment from you? He put on Ramsey and Santos because we were 2-0 up. I don't think it is a sign or says anything about his plans for the players you mention. He brought on the players to make sure we kept the lead and see the game out?

I still think you are under rating our other attacking players, but again we will have to wait and see :))
 
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I thought this was a weird comment from you? He put on Ramsey and Santos because we were 2-0 up. I don't think it is a sign or says anything about his plans for the players you mention. He brought on the players to make sure we kept the lead and see the game out?

I still think you are under rating our other attacking players, but again we will have to wait and see :))
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I think it was weird from Wenger, as he hardly ever changes the shape of the team during the match regardless the result. He always goes for those substitutions that are like "6 for half-dozen" you know, Gervinho for Walcott, and so forth.

Gervinho finally got benched, as he had been dismal in the first 2 matches, although at least he played with enthusiasm. I agree Wenger still rates Gervinho highly (I can't see why at the moment, but hope to be proven wrong), but I do think players like Arshavin and Walcott have let him down.

It's been so long Arsenal didn't put in defensive shifts like this, that I can't even remember. I have to agree, although I'm a fan of the Russian's skillful and daring play, he is a luxury player who shouldn't be used on the wings again. Having seen Podolski very often covering at left back, what a difference it makes!
But it's not only Arshavin, but I think our biggest problem now is Walcott, who also seems to hate tracking back - you won't see him doing what Podolski did. And I think that's why he wanted to play CF.
But the problem is, Walcott is a one-trick pony. He can only play based on his pace, and it's best served playing wide. He's even less versatile than Arshavin, who at least has an eye for a pass and is unpredictable in the final 3rd.

It really bums me that situation with Walcott. On his day, he can cause serious damage, and when we're leading, put him on by all means and he will tear the opposition apart on counter attacks. But that's all. When opposition emphasize defending, his game is pretty much negated.
I think Walcott is more of a luxury player than Arshavin, and his situation needs to be sorted out. No way Arsenal will pay what he wants and £75k a week is already too much for such a player if you ask me.
I hope he can get sold in January, if he's being so difficult about renewing.
 
I think Wenger is trying out a few things at the moment and depending on how games progress you will see the players featured.

I think if we were losing yesterday, you would have seen the attacking players come on and against other teams where pace will be needed they will start.

But Podolski and The Ox definately did their defensive parts very well, hopefully it has set an example to the others.

They both bring a bit more strength as well, so this could be the team we see at tough away games (Every away game for us is tough).

But Gervinho and Walcott still have a lot to offer this season no doubt in my mind.
 
With Giroud (and the bad service he got from the sides), Wenger should use Arshavin.
Oxlade -Chamberlain is a promising player, but at the moment he doesnt impress me that much, imo Sterling was much better than him yesterday.

Giroud is a player i like a lot, i hope he can score a goal in one of the next matches (or better an hattrick). In his first year with Montpellier, he was not that good either, but he got much, much better in his second season (last season that is).
 
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