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I dont think We need to change manager...but The board must put pressure on Wenger cause he has absolutely no intent on buying what I believe we truely missing... a true experienced midfielder and some veteran player who can backup the squad...
 
Well done Jonney with that 0-0 draw I can see where you are coming from, Wenger should be sacked.

You are the oracle on all things football and I will listen to you about everything from now on. You are not reactionary, over the top and you think about the whole situation when you make your precise, well formed opinions.

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I honestly don't see a single reason why Wenger should be sacked.
Considering their budget, the fact that Arsenal were contenders on 3 fronts is a huge achievement.
Don't forget that this team has cost much less than Spurs team...Arsenal still are doing better.
They lost in the CL against the best club team in the history of football and they were second in the group stage after a team which IMO is the only team that can beat Barcelona for the CL.

Ferguson has instilled a winner mentality in Man Utd, i guess that is a huger achievement. But Arsenal clearly still play the most attractive football in the UK. This attractive brand of football has become the unique selling proposition of a club that was (before Wenger) known as "boring Arsenal". I still think Wenger is the most influential manager ever in England. He completely changed English football.
 
BobbyBox said:
Well done Jonney with that 6 years without a trophy. I can see where you are coming from, Wenger should be sacked.
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fixed for you :YAWN:

if you think i want wenger sacked over a draw then sorry, take your rose tinted Wenger glasses off, smell the coffee and check when the last time arsenal lifted a trophy and you will then realize its not just because of a "draw" but because of 6 years of winning sweet F.A.


The less fans we have like you" who appear to be blatant Wenger fans more then Arsenal fans" The better it is for our club so that majority of fans start calling for Wenger head. That way, the board may listen and sack the useless one dimensional manager we have at the moment.
 
jonneymendoza said:
fixed for you :YAWN:

if you think i want wenger sacked over a draw then sorry, take your rose tinted Wenger glasses off, smell the coffee and check when the last time arsenal lifted a trophy and you will then realize its not just because of a "draw" but because of 6 years of winning sweet F.A.


The less fans we have like you" who appear to be blatant Wenger fans more then Arsenal fans" The better it is for our club so that majority of fans start calling for Wenger head. That way, the board may listen and sack the useless one dimensional manager we have at the moment.
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Carry on. I have had this discussion with you about a million times. You can go off on one....have fun :DD

If all Arsenal fans were like you Jonney, the club would have been dead years ago.
 
Na, the club would have won something by now.

Its looking likely that england will win the world cup before arsenal win a trophy
 
replacing wenger now would be cruelly unfair. it's just now in years that a team is starting to emerge. mind you: with BIG wholes that need to be filled. a new manager will just pick up huge talents like jack and song, throw some mills and do what?! maybe play good but all on wenger's work, vision and commitment to investing in the young (which will benefit us in the long long term regardless of the manager).

but, the race is over! let's not be with our heads in the ozone whole.
we cannot compete against utd when they're winning even though they're game is dodgy.

we are in desperate need of a leader. and if he's not on the pitch, at least wenger should provide more confidence from the pitch. there's a weakness and over-prudence about him that the players seem to pick up. on this matter, we should hold on to jack for dear life.
we played like our chances were already over, like any effort was useless. it's not that we are out of the race that bothers me the most, but the disarming lack of fight we're showing.
plus, like Rentboy said: why the hell not 4-4-2?!
plus, the crossing is just awful no real help for chamakh or anyone.

what i'm saying is that sure Evra was a cunt when he was blabbing about Arsenal, but what really hurts is that we aren't even trying to prove these voices wrong (when it counts), more so, we kind of prove them right. sad.

so, arseblog put a pacino discourse vid from other fans, when we need the inches the most, we seem to want them the least.

wenger needs to try more with completing the team, with bettering his decision-making, with growing some courage and the team needs to grow some manly BALLS!
 
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jonneymendoza said:
wow am i seeing things? a fellow arsenal fan questioning if AW is the right man? WOW. things must be bad lol.

the day Bobby finally agrees with me how wenger shoudl piss off is the day the world ends!



i fucking told you all AW is a clueless shit and deserves the sack ages ago but no one listened to me. end of the day you and bobby and basiclaly every arsenal fan will finally realize and agree with me :WORSHIP:
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Well jonney, you are an extremist in our forum. As much as you may be over the top sometimes, there are a lot of right things in your words.

I don't criticise Wenger the way you do, but... yes, he gone and f*cked things up.

It's easy to say he is shit now and forget all the great things he did. But times have changed... even though he's younger than Ferguson, AW seems to be the one rendered obsolete.
He simply lost his touch. He's either too predictable in his decisions or simply take awful decisions, like yesterday. It was a game to be won. Sunderland at home was too! Did you guys just see today what Man City did to them, that 5-0 mauling?

Is Arsene's time up? It has to be asked... I wouldn't like to see him going like this :(
 
your title hopes are far from over imo...it can be over only in the heads...but not yet in premier league..heads up...
 
Well, it`s good to express your views and react however you want. We are sitting 2nd spot an improvement from last season. Wenger`s boat has been rocked. Wenger didn`t plan to have Squallaci n Koc to be at the back they were Silvestre n Sol replacement. Vermaelen and our Keepers has wounded us deeply. Wenger has bandage an open wound with what he has.

If you look at the situation white n black then you couldn`t understand beyond that. Jonney you love Arsenal I get it! you must take alot of stick from cunts around the way , sorry about that mate. Bob, I love your views mate..don`t change plz. You`re a candle stick among the fog. Too all other foreign brothers , Keep on keeping on! We love this club even though we are far maybe a bunch of plastic mugs the lot of you :LOL: anyhow 1 day we will celebrate until then , Arsenal til I die :SAL:
 
Who is Arsenal going to get if we sack Wenger? Roy Hodgson?

Isn't the many examples in front of our eyes enough that replacing a coach isn't enough to get trophies, and in fact most of the time it backfires?

This whole squad and almost all the football-related infrastructure has been designed by Arsene Wenger. The squad finally seems to be coming through after a stagnant period, but some people are lacking in patience. They want trophies right off the bat, when ,to me, it is apparent that our squad at this level has indeed outperformed itself.

I guess it is Wenger's fault for letting us experience fantastic seasons in our near history and constantly making us remain as a top 4 contender for the past decade. Maybe he should have transformed the club into a mid-table one so that unrealistic expectations wouldn't call for his head.

How can you blame Wenger for not fulfilling the promise of this squad when he is the one who formed it in the first place?

If you claim Arsene's project is a failure, how can you expect the new manager coming in to be successful with this already failed project? When people are complaining about not winning anything in 6 years, how can we expect them to be patient with Arsene's replacement?

Will you guys tolerate the time it takes for the new coach to get used to the club, apply his own tactics, make his own transfers, and wait for all of this to gel together? Are you guaranteed trophies then?

If you guys don't appreciate Wenger's work, please don't be excited when you see players like Wilshere, Szczesny, Gibbs, and Ramsey come through the ranks. Please don't feel excited to see players like Nasri and Walcott fulfill their promise when many wrote them off in the beginning as overrated. Please don't fool yourself into believing other managers will be tolerant enough to create such gems in the face of pressure from fans who only care about winning trophies.
 
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If Arsenal sack Wenger, i'm pretty sure that loads of players will leave the club. I can't see players like Nasri, Arshavin, Van Persie, Wilshere and Vermaelen staying wen Arsene leaves. The result will be that the players that are most needed will leave the club and that the players you should get rid of will stay (because players like Almunia, Squilacci, Clichy, Diaby, Bendtner and others know damn well that they will never have a chance to play for a big club).

Fans should also understand that the day the Arsenal board decided to build a new stadium, was the day that board preferred a long term vision and that immediate success was highly improbable. As a matter of fact people like Jonney are furious because Arsenal is doing better than could be foreseen. The team competed for silverware on all fronts until april...those people are frustrated by the fact that Arsenal once again narrowly missed success. If Arsenal would have had a couple of "Spurs"-seasons and finished between 4th and 6th place, i'm fairly certain that there would be less frustration.
Sacking Wenger would be the most stupid thing to do. And like Rabona says: where will Arsenal find a good replacement for Wenger? Jonney always mentions Mourinho. I'm pretty certain that Mourinho does not want to come to Arsenal. Mourinho is a big spender and at the moment Arsenal is not prepare to spend big.
 
Totally agree with Gerd. Wenger does what he does and it doesn't always work, but it's still better than 99.9% of other managers out there.
 
beachryan said:
Totally agree with Gerd. Wenger does what he does and it doesn't always work, but it's still better than 99.9% of other managers out there.
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How is it better? his won fuck all.

its not working and it will never work. You lot forgotten how Wenger was a nobody when he first came to arsenal. we can find another "gem" of a manager. it doesnt have to be a well known manager. was Wenger and fergie well known before coming to there respected clubs?

was pepe known before taking over and barcelona coach?
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
Title race is firmly still going, Our game at the Emirates will probably swing it.
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I completely agree. Let's face it, United are more than capable of screwing up against Fulham this weekend, after a tough midweek match at the Bridge. There are a good number of tricky fixtures left for both sides, and given United have to play at Emirates and also host Chelsea in the league, things are so far from over. I can't believe how people are rushing to proclaim United champs already.
 
Also, I love how Wenger is moaning about having his game this weekend on Sunday - after United have to play on Saturday. Now that'd be the same United that have to play on Wednesday. So who is the calendar really hurting? The team that need the extra day rest, or your boys that get 8 days off?
 
YoungGun_UK said:
Title race is firmly still going, Our game at the Emirates will probably swing it.
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Thats a guranteed 3 points for united mate so dont sweat on it. only way we will beat u is if wenger ditches his style of play and play differently or if united gift us the game.

chances of either of those happening is slim
 
Jonney, i respect your opinion and i know that you are a real fan, but Wenger did win plenty of silverware and i already explained why he did not win silverware since the Emirates...in fact he think Arsenal overachieved.
 
gerd said:
Jonney, i respect your opinion and i know that you are a real fan, but Wenger did win plenty of silverware and i already explained why he did not win silverware since the Emirates...in fact he think Arsenal overachieved.
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that`s what jonney and a few are so Pissed about...those sentiment.

Beachryan,
Wenger is a spin master about the fixture it`s trying to derail pressure on the squad. C`mon you are sharper than that Fergie is the puppet master at spinning comments about :SMUG:
 
I'm going to do it one more time just because I get wound up easily.

From when I was born up until Wenger, our average league position was around 6th

Since Wenger took over our average league position is 2nd.

Tell me with that, the fact we have a new Stadium are one of the best run clubs in the world....please tell me why Wenger is so shit?

Tell me how Arsenal deserve to just win things all of the time? Our past suggests we should win stuff everynow and again and with that maybe we will finish 12th one year or 7th another.

To be successfull this day and age you need money. To have money and to compete you need to be in the top competitions. This is what Wenger does for us.

Would you want to win the FA cup this year and then come 10th next season and then out of the champions league and any of the money it brings? because we could get away with that back in the day, but todays game is sooooo different from way back then.

Wenger has brought one of the most consistant, successfull times that Arsenal has ever had. We now have a great basis to do really well for years to come, it may take 6 -7 -8 years of not winning anything, but I am sure we will and we will be successful again.

To the people who want Wenger gone and demand we should be winning things all of the time. Maybe try and look at the bigger picture?

In an age of Sugar daddies, super clubs and everything else, I think Wenger has done bloody well and I hope we win something soon, only to shut up all you whining bastards.

I am a fan of Arsenal and I think any rational, open minded Arsenal fan will agree that Wenger should stay.

Some of you are acting like we have been fighting relegation for 6 years! It is ridiculous.

I am as frustrated as the next fan with Arsenal (last few weeks have been some of the most gutting ever), but some people need a reality check with what is happening at the moment.
 
BobbyBox said:
I'm going to do it one more time just because I get wound up easily.

From when I was born up until Wenger, our average league position was around 6th

Since Wenger took over our average league position is 2nd.

Tell me with that, the fact we have a new Stadium are one of the best run clubs in the world....please tell me why Wenger is so shit?

Tell me how Arsenal deserve to just win things all of the time? Our past suggests we should win stuff everynow and again and with that maybe we will finish 12th one year or 7th another.

To be successfull this day and age you need money. To have money and to compete you need to be in the top competitions. This is what Wenger does for us.

Would you want to win the FA cup this year and then come 10th next season and then out of the champions league and any of the money it brings? because we could get away with that back in the day, but todays game is sooooo different from way back then.

Wenger has brought one of the most consistant, successfull times that Arsenal has ever had. We now have a great basis to do really well for years to come, it may take 6 -7 -8 years of not winning anything, but I am sure we will and we will be successful again.

To the people who want Wenger gone and demand we should be winning things all of the time. Maybe try and look at the bigger picture?

In an age of Sugar daddies, super clubs and everything else, I think Wenger has done bloody well and I hope we win something soon, only to shut up all you whining bastards.

I am a fan of Arsenal and I think any rational, open minded Arsenal fan will agree that Wenger should stay.

Some of you are acting like we have been fighting relegation for 6 years! It is ridiculous.

I am as frustrated as the next fan with Arsenal (last few weeks have been some of the most gutting ever), but some people need a reality check with what is happening at the moment.
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i think you have missed the point. Its not just about buying world class players. its about having a plan B and instigating a winning mentality. both attributes that cost nothing and all down to the manager and the coach. guess whos our manager?

It is not about winning every trophy ever season either. its about progression. what progression have we made in the past 6 years? we have not finished runners up in the league for a very long time, have not won a single trophy and instead, get embaressed against average sides.

what top club draws 4:4 away when your 4:0 was we? what top side cant event win a game against the bottom clubs at home? What top side no matter how great barcelona is, cant muster a single shot on goal?

What top side doesnt turn up for a"local derby" at home and blowing a 2 goal lead?

Im not expecting us to win every damm trophy in every season but what i expect is us to win something every now and then AND compete against the very best but we fail on both accounts. everytime we face unted, chelsea, barcelona or any other top side, we get founded out in the EXACT same way in the past 6 years i.e sit back, let us pass the ball into the goal like idiots and hit them at the count attack with a simple through ball or put in a decent cross and score from that. how is that progression? How can all these faults represent a so called top side?

Its not all about money. there are other areas wenger could improve that dont cost nothing yet he doesnt. Its not rocket science. IF wenger is such a brilliant manager why hasnt he addressed these blatent issues? especially having a plan B which doesnt cost a single penny to instigate? Where is the winning mentality on the players? the hunger? the determination? its not there and again doenst cost fuck all. Its up to the managers to instigate that mentality during training. its up to the manager to play his current players in the best formation and tactics.

Just watch the game last weekend. someone said how he subbed both our wingers for bendter and chamack our target man? how the FUCK are you suppose to make use of them when you take out our suppliers!!! Again has that got anything to do with £££

Nope it doesnt

its all down to wenger and the reason why he is no longer a good manager and the right one for arsenal.

So in a nutshell bobby i think you have not fully understood the reasons why wenger should go. its not about the £££
 
jonneymendoza said:
i think you have missed the point. Its not just about buying world class players. its about having a plan B and instigating a winning mentality. both attributes that cost nothing and all down to the manager and the coach. guess whos our manager?

It is not about winning every trophy ever season either. its about progression. what progression have we made in the past 6 years? we have not finished runners up in the league for a very long time, have not won a single trophy and instead, get embaressed against average sides.

what top club draws 4:4 away when your 4:0 was we? what top side cant event win a game against the bottom clubs at home? What top side no matter how great barcelona is, cant muster a single shot on goal?

What top side doesnt turn up for a"local derby" at home and blowing a 2 goal lead?

Im not expecting us to win every damm trophy in every season but what i expect is us to win something every now and then AND compete against the very best but we fail on both accounts. everytime we face unted, chelsea, barcelona or any other top side, we get founded out in the EXACT same way in the past 6 years i.e sit back, let us pass the ball into the goal like idiots and hit them at the count attack with a simple through ball or put in a decent cross and score from that. how is that progression? How can all these faults represent a so called top side?

Its not all about money. there are other areas wenger could improve that dont cost nothing yet he doesnt. Its not rocket science. IF wenger is such a brilliant manager why hasnt he addressed these blatent issues? especially having a plan B which doesnt cost a single penny to instigate? Where is the winning mentality on the players? the hunger? the determination? its not there and again doenst cost fuck all. Its up to the managers to instigate that mentality during training. its up to the manager to play his current players in the best formation and tactics.

Just watch the game last weekend. someone said how he subbed both our wingers for bendter and chamack our target man? how the FUCK are you suppose to make use of them when you take out our suppliers!!! Again has that got anything to do with £££

Nope it doesnt

its all down to wenger and the reason why he is no longer a good manager and the right one for arsenal.

So in a nutshell bobby i think you have not fully understood the reasons why wenger should go. its not about the £££
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That is a good post and explains everything very well. Unlike your other posts that are full of anger and don't really go into great detail.

The problem I have with what your saying is that you dismiss everything else that he does.

Wenger is not perfect and he should address things much sooner than he does. To say he has no plan B is just not true, the fact he took off wingers and put on differing players shows that he has a plan B...it just isn't very good :PP.

I agree with most of what you say though and it is beyond frustrating, but I just believe we could be nearly there and that it just takes a bit more patience.

I am sure Wenger knows that he needs to make alot of changes this summer. He has said alot of telling quotes over the last few weeks.

I think the only reason I will doubt Wenger is if he starts saying in the summer that he doesn't need anybody else and the team is fine how it is. Because it is blatant that it isn't. Then I will have my doubts and think that maybe he has lost it a bit. If he doesn't get rid of Denilson at least and get in some more quality cover, then I will be pissed off.

The squad needs some fresh blood to compete for places. But I do still think our first team if ever fit could beat anybody and I will stick to that until I see us have the first team and they get spanked.

So that is why I don't think we are far away from being successful and feel it is as bad as you think it is.

Anyway I could write more, but I need to go to a meeting. Adios :DD
 
Mate dont get me wrong, i really appreciate what wenger has done for us in the past and dispite this poor 6 odd seasons. i will still thank him for the great success he has bought us but he has to start listening and start changing his ways a bit.

like you, me and everyone else have said, he just needs to tweak his philosphy and if he does, no team, including barcelona could come back from 4:0 against us.
 
I can follow you Jonney.
But: basically Wenger does not have the type of players to have a plan B, well he has but they are disappointing (Bendtner and Chamakh, although maybe it is too soon to write Chamakh off). I still am persuaded that Arsenal's biggest loss in terms of plan B was Adebayor. Arsenal never found a worthy replacement for him. Maybe he was trouble in the dressing room, but he sure as hell gave you the possibility for a plan B while being a very good player for Plan A too.

Besides that Arsenal need a real team leader, a better version of Van Bommel.

Problem is that those players are not cheap...so in the end it still is all about money. And to buy a team leader you need an established player and not a young unproven one...
 
i think bendter and chamakh are being wasted in our team. why? because not a single player at arsenal can cross the ball properly. its shocking really but players like bendter and chamakh need a good delivery of the ball.

if either of those players was in man united, they would be banging in goals for fun each week as man united are imo the best crossers in the league.
 
I think Sagna has become a very decent crosser. Arshavin as well. RVP also a good crosser, however he's the lone striker doing it!

What I can't forgive about Wenger is his stubborn ways, his tactics and wrong decisions. To go with a 4-5-1 against the worst teams is a thing of a coward, really.

I still don't want him to go, as he has a lot of credit, a great eye for talent and ability to run a great club with limited budget. And remember how unlucky about the injuries to Vermaelen, the keepers and others (although the medical and physios should be subject to scrutiny).

But AW does need a reality check and a good kick up the arse. The winning mentality is gone, the players don't put up a fight, there's no urgency. Everything that jonney mentioned is true, I'm afraid.
 
wow Lot of good posts here guys!

Jonny and Bobby, Gerd, Rentboy everybody arguing their perspective with great reasoning in my opinion. I enjoyed reading it and find myself agreeing with all of you to varying amounts.

I do see where Jonny is coming from and he's making a lot of good points in my opinion. On the pther hand though, you can't really argue with what Bobby/Gerd are saying especially about things like the Emirates stadium factor so it's an interesting topic.

Many different yet seemingly valid views.
 
I think as a collection of people here, we all agree that Wenger needs to improve as a manager but what varies our opinions is some people like me want him to go and others dont which is fine.

Wenger needs to be more ruthless and more adventurous. no more of this silly 451 formation. we have 2 strikers on the bench who imo, both decent when playing with a decent winger who can cross the ball and we need to make proper use of that.

anyways i read on fabregas twitter that the whole team trained like animals yesterday and how he was knackered from it all. might be a small indication of wenger trying something a bit different in training maybe.

The title is out of our hands though and the only way we can win it now is if we win all our remaining games. its possible but something behind the scenes "has" to change in order for that to happen.
 
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