Arsenal Thread

jonneymendoza said:
Yet united managed to win with a lot of injuries they have too. sorry bobby but if you want to win the title you got to beat these sides.

whos fault is it that wenger signed denilson, diaby etc as our backup?
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Man united are one of the greatest teams ever to have played football. They probably have the best manager that has ever lived.

If you keep comparing us to them you will be dissapointed for the rest of your life mate. Hopefully one day we will be as dominant as they have been, but it will take time, we were nearly there once and we will get up there again hopefully. But people need to be patient.

Of course you have to beat those sides, you have to beat everybody else aswell it goes without saying.

I'm not saying Wenger is the greatest manager ever or that he is the best in the world. But he is the best we are going to get and he is a great manager. No matter if we haven't won anything for a while it will come in time.

But your reaction after drawing away with half a first team out is ridiculous imo.

I agree about denilson and diaby. Something should be done in the summer. Diaby I agree more with while Wenger has stuck with him. Because through injury after injury he has shown glimpses of being a great player. But I think it is time to cut our losses with him. Denilson has been on the wain for the last few years, but used to be a good back up player.

I think there will be a shake up this summer, especially if Cesc goes.

People say Wenger isn't doing anything. But he bought in 2 new defenders, got rid of a disruptive influence in Gallas etc. He didn't address the goalkeeper situation because they either cost the earth for keepers that were no way near the cost that teams wanted, or there were not any out there that were much better that would come to us. He did try to get a keeper, he is not stupid.

I believe he will strengthen in the summer and we will see what happens up to the end of the season with the league.

You can't prepare for your good players playing shit. Clichy is well respected in world footy, but has decided to be dog shit this season. Arshavin decided to be a dick and lose form. This has all gone against us aswell as major injuries.

Anyway, I sound like a broken record so I will stop now :DD
 
at least arshavin produced the two goals. clichy needs to wake up his not an attacker.
we still need to point out the negatives because otherwise we will not learn. and with the players we have and with AW's actions it's a continuous job.
one thought: we should be winning the league with the likes of impassive subs, it would be fair for the ones who do care. if we would, the impassives would think they're still quite good and still not try. just a thought
 
to think droppy n sash-quash could prevent that dubious interpration of defense. We would sing another tone now...no worries lad. Bob you calling manutd the best football side. You are gross take a shower bud :P . Manutd spends millions thats the difference really SAF says he knows how to change w/ the times...that make him top of his game.


Plus, screaming n puttging fear in your players works too!
 
beboq said:
to think droppy n sash-quash could prevent that dubious interpration of defense. We would sing another tone now...no worries lad. Bob you calling manutd the best football side. You are gross take a shower bud :P . Manutd spends millions thats the difference really SAF says he knows how to change w/ the times...that make him top of his game.


Plus, screaming n puttging fear in your players works too!
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One of the best football teams which they have been over the last 20 years. You can't argue with what they have won and the players they have had. They have dominated the Premierleague and won the champs league a couple of times etc etc.

They spend money but thats because they have made so much and were successful and already had a 80 thousand seat stadium. They also saved a bundle of money because of their youth players coming through, giggs, Beckhams, Scholes etc that have become legends for the club.

Now with our new stadium and how well run our club is, if we are patient we could hopefully match Man Uniteds achievments one day.

I think we are on the brink of something really good and I think Arsene will come good again :DD
 
You are fairy-tailing yourself now mate. Arsenal won`t catch up unless MUTD go broke (Leeds innit).With every summer that comes teams will still spend more than Arsenal. Leaving Arsenal short ...:COAT: I get that you respect MUTD success and all , like I respect Liverpool`s (You`re never walk alone). We aren`t a big club until you win the CL . Chelsea may have little history ,but if they win the CL they will leap frog us.

I personally think ManCity will dominate in the next few years. Fergie will leave and Mutd will come back , but ManCity will have the power to win trebles back 2 back. They play exciting football too! unless your the top 4 :P . They`re more closer than we are is what I`m getting at.
 
I wish I was as optimistic as Bobby. Sadly, I can't see any positives right now... This was a season to win the bloody title! It's not Arsenal that's doing better, as someone pointed out before, it's the others who are worse this year. This was our chance and we blew it. Yes, I'm already considering it to be a lost cause. Because we need United to slip up, while we actually gotta win our matches, you know... Playing like this we ain't beating Tottenham away and we're probably gonna cock up against United at the Emirates as well.

Wenger not only made the wrong decisions, but he takes too fucking long rectifying them as well. The Gallas saga, from captaincy to dismissal, is one example. Another one is our GK problem. So Bobby says we cocked up because he had our 3rd choice keeper? Not long ago, last season, Almunia was our starter. How can someone get so shit from one season to another? I don't buy this.

The same goes for the likes of Diaby, Denial-son and, to some extent, Bendtner. Now suddenly Clichy, who let's face it, was never a great full back.

A brilliant generation (Cesc, Nasri, RVP and Arshavin, who btw is getting old already) is being wasted by being stuck with mediocre players.

Sorry lads, no light in the end of the tunnel for me.. if there is, it's gotta be the fucking train coming at us.

PS: I agree on the formation issue. Playing 4-5-1 against West Brom when you're in the title race and missing your best midfielders anyway? Why not surprise them playing a more aggressive 4-4-2 with Chamakh up front? The team played better that way. Before, when RVP left the box, he didn't have anyone to cross to. I think Wenger is being a bit of a coward if I may say so, whilst using our most unreliable players to fit this 4-5-1. It's a double mistake, IMO.
 
BobbyBox said:
Man united are one of the greatest teams ever to have played football. They probably have the best manager that has ever lived.

If you keep comparing us to them you will be dissapointed for the rest of your life mate. Hopefully one day we will be as dominant as they have been, but it will take time, we were nearly there once and we will get up there again hopefully. But people need to be patient.

Of course you have to beat those sides, you have to beat everybody else aswell it goes without saying.

I'm not saying Wenger is the greatest manager ever or that he is the best in the world. But he is the best we are going to get and he is a great manager. No matter if we haven't won anything for a while it will come in time.

But your reaction after drawing away with half a first team out is ridiculous imo.

I agree about denilson and diaby. Something should be done in the summer. Diaby I agree more with while Wenger has stuck with him. Because through injury after injury he has shown glimpses of being a great player. But I think it is time to cut our losses with him. Denilson has been on the wain for the last few years, but used to be a good back up player.

I think there will be a shake up this summer, especially if Cesc goes.

People say Wenger isn't doing anything. But he bought in 2 new defenders, got rid of a disruptive influence in Gallas etc. He didn't address the goalkeeper situation because they either cost the earth for keepers that were no way near the cost that teams wanted, or there were not any out there that were much better that would come to us. He did try to get a keeper, he is not stupid.

I believe he will strengthen in the summer and we will see what happens up to the end of the season with the league.

You can't prepare for your good players playing shit. Clichy is well respected in world footy, but has decided to be dog shit this season. Arshavin decided to be a dick and lose form. This has all gone against us aswell as major injuries.

Anyway, I sound like a broken record so I will stop now :DD
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He bought two unproven CB's. one of them being as old as gallas or close that age. we needed a proven cb. instead he bought two hopeless ones.

We then got the bomshell of vermahlen being injured. its as if we sold him on loan this season. so in effect, we lost instead of gained from our two new cb signings.

wenger knew vermahlen was fucked til behond january yet he diddnt try and sign a new cb in the january transfer window.

you know what bobby. if wenger signs minimum 3 world class players, proven, then i will paypal you £20 :))
 
very well said, Rentboy.
i am not saying Wenger should go, but i am getting tired of waiting for ages for him to do obvious things that he never completely do.
and about the more gifted ones being wasted, so true, so sad... from this perspective you can understand the ones who left, some just want to not waste themselfs. like wenger said about Cesc: he just wants to win.
well do something about it. i am confident that if wenger really brought proven players, and there are ones not sky-high priced, we would do sensibly better.
same old finish of the season, same old hopes and rants for the summer and for wenger, and same old disappointment.

it would be nice to see not a superstar team, but a complete team, not a patched-up one.
 
Yeap, I think the right definition for this team is 'patched up'. Plus, Wenger becomes too predictable, it seems most opponents know exactly what to do against Arsenal.

I'm beginning to think that the signing of Jens wasn't such a good idea. Surely his winning mentality and influence may stir things up in the dressing room. But his specific relationship with Almunia has never been of the most friendly nature. Back then, when Almunia was promoted to 1st choice ahead of him, Lehmann was very public about being upset and that it hurt the most being passed over by someone who's a clearly worse keeper.

I think he could become a shadow constantly looming over Manuel, instead of keeping him in his toes in a 'good way'. Losing his position to a retired 41 year-old would be the ultimate humiliation for Almunia, and the thought must have crossed his mind after last weekend.
None of this helps Almunia's confidence, which let's face it, has never been sky high.

I don't know guys, but could this be yet another error of judgement by AW?
 
I agree with you rentboy; Lehman is something of a loose canon...
But to be honest after Almunia's howler against WBA, i've given up on him.
I'm still sure that he is a very talented GK, but he lacks the confidence...IMO he was very good against Barcelona...but it seems his best matches are matches that Arsenal loose anyway.
He rarely has won points for the club and has cost them quite frequently...the number of draws that would have been victories after an Almunia mistake seems huge to me.

Frankly spoken, i think Lehmann is the best short term solution.
 
Rentboy said:
Yeap, I think the right definition for this team is 'patched up'. Plus, Wenger becomes too predictable, it seems most opponents know exactly what to do against Arsenal.

I'm beginning to think that the signing of Jens wasn't such a good idea. Surely his winning mentality and influence may stir things up in the dressing room. But his specific relationship with Almunia has never been of the most friendly nature. Back then, when Almunia was promoted to 1st choice ahead of him, Lehmann was very public about being upset and that it hurt the most being passed over by someone who's a clearly worse keeper.

I think he could become a shadow constantly looming over Manuel, instead of keeping him in his toes in a 'good way'. Losing his position to a retired 41 year-old would be the ultimate humiliation for Almunia, and the thought must have crossed his mind after last weekend.
None of this helps Almunia's confidence, which let's face it, has never been sky high.

I don't know guys, but could this be yet another error of judgement by AW?
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I'm not sure I agree with Arsenal becoming too predictable on the whole and most teams knowing exaclty how to deal with us. If we were not getting the chances on goal etc then I would say that was true. If teams know how to deal with us, they wouldn't let us shoot at goal the amount of times we do.

If that is peoples way to beat us by letting us have lots of chances then that is ridiculous. Thats like a boxer having a plan of letting the other boxer punch him right in the face over and over and over, so eventually the other boxer might get tired and if he is still up right then they might have a chance. It is not really a way of dealing with something? it is not a good tactical plan imo.

quite a few games the oppositions goalkeeper has got man of the match. This can't be people's way to deal with us, to hope that their goalkeeper has a good game?

on the subject of Jens. I read a quote the other day and Jens pretty much said this situation is completely different than before. He knows his place and he knew that Alumnia would be the first choice and that he is just back up. He has spoken positively about Alumnia since leaving Arsenal.

So I do think the situation is alot different than before.

I'm sure Jens was brought in just to give that experience in the team and to keep Almunia on his toes in a good way. I'm sure Wenger didn't expect Almunia to fuck up so quickly into his reign, he probably thought bringing in Jens would motivate Almunia more. Because lets face it Almunia was at his best when he was fighting for no1 spot with Jens. So Wenger probably thought some of that old motivation might come through again.

Whether Jens was there or not, I am sure Almunia would have made mistakes. He is just that type of keeper unfortunately.
 
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Nothing but Love! :))

Lemon makes mistake ,but Alumina is charging out al the time Drogba,Fernando ,WesBrom at Emirates ...etc.
 
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BobbyBox said:
I'm not sure I agree with Arsenal becoming too predictable on the whole and most teams knowing exaclty how to deal with us. If we were not getting the chances on goal etc then I would say that was true. If teams know how to deal with us, they wouldn't let us shoot at goal the amount of times we do.

If that is peoples way to beat us by letting us have lots of chances then that is ridiculous. Thats like a boxer having a plan of letting the other boxer punch him right in the face over and over and over, so eventually the other boxer might get tired and if he is still up right then they might have a chance. It is not really a way of dealing with something? it is not a good tactical plan imo.

quite a few games the oppositions goalkeeper has got man of the match. This can't be people's way to deal with us, to hope that their goalkeeper has a good game?

on the subject of Jens. I read a quote the other day and Jens pretty much said this situation is completely different than before. He knows his place and he knew that Alumnia would be the first choice and that he is just back up. He has spoken positively about Alumnia since leaving Arsenal.

So I do think the situation is alot different than before.

I'm sure Jens was brought in just to give that experience in the team and to keep Almunia on his toes in a good way. I'm sure Wenger didn't expect Almunia to fuck up so quickly into his reign, he probably thought bringing in Jens would motivate Almunia more. Because lets face it Almunia was at his best when he was fighting for no1 spot with Jens. So Wenger probably thought some of that old motivation might come through again.

Whether Jens was there or not, I am sure Almunia would have made mistakes. He is just that type of keeper unfortunately.
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I think strong opposition can deal with us too easily for my liking. West Brom struggled, United had several absentees and Van der Sar had a MOTM display, but Barcelona actually didn't let us shoot on goal a single time in the 2nd leg. But, well that's not what I meant. What I mean is not what happens during the game, but that opposition managers already know that we're going onto the pitch with that 4-5-1. There seems to be not enough improvisation by AW. In times of need, you have to. Like what United did in that FA cup clash. Work with different players in different positions and even change your approach.

People discuss whether AW is arrogant or just stubborn. I still don't know. But one thing's true: winning with style, in the "Arsenal way", is difficult to accomplish when you have so many key players injured. He had to adapt, to dare, to surprise. Of course, we have Squilaci and Almunia to blame, but also we've seen how much better this team played when Chamakh came on, and I think we changed to a 4-4-2.

As for Jens, the problem is not what goes in his head, but it's with Almunia that I'm concerned. Of course Jens knows his place now. And let's suppose both of them have a wonderful relationship right now. Even so, the things said in the past are still there to haunt Almunia. Jens left criticizing Almunia's appointment as 1st choice, and deep down inside, Almunia knows he was right. It's a "facing your demons" kind of situation for Almunia, who was at his best back then competing against a great keeper still in activity. But now Almunia is in decline, being kept on his toes by a retired 41 year-old. It's a different situation, IMO.
I don't know if I expressed myself very well, but do you see my point?
 
Rentboy said:
I think strong opposition can deal with us too easily for my liking. West Brom struggled, United had several absentees and Van der Sar had a MOTM display, but Barcelona actually didn't let us shoot on goal a single time in the 2nd leg. But, well that's not what I meant. What I mean is not what happens during the game, but that opposition managers already know that we're going onto the pitch with that 4-5-1. There seems to be not enough improvisation by AW. In times of need, you have to. Like what United did in that FA cup clash. Work with different players in different positions and even change your approach.

People discuss whether AW is arrogant or just stubborn. I still don't know. But one thing's true: winning with style, in the "Arsenal way", is difficult to accomplish when you have so many key players injured. He had to adapt, to dare, to surprise. Of course, we have Squilaci and Almunia to blame, but also we've seen how much better this team played when Chamakh came on, and I think we changed to a 4-4-2.

As for Jens, the problem is not what goes in his head, but it's with Almunia that I'm concerned. Of course Jens knows his place now. And let's suppose both of them have a wonderful relationship right now. Even so, the things said in the past are still there to haunt Almunia. Jens left criticizing Almunia's appointment as 1st choice, and deep down inside, Almunia knows he was right. It's a "facing your demons" kind of situation for Almunia, who was at his best back then competing against a great keeper still in activity. But now Almunia is in decline, being kept on his toes by a retired 41 year-old. It's a different situation, IMO.
I don't know if I expressed myself very well, but do you see my point?
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I defintaley see your point and I agree to a certain extent. But the two teams you mentioned were Man United and Barcelona. which are two of the best teams around. I just don't agree that most teams have us figured out.

The Fa cup clash with Man United we had many chances to score, so to say our approach was wrong I don't think is 100% correct. I do think though we need to do something about defending counter attacks, which was our downfall in that game and that comes down to plain and simple defending. Cutting out the mistakes and concentrating 100% through a whole game, which seems to be a big problem for some players.

The Barcelona game we were totally outplayed, completely. We need to do better and find ways to best deal with Barca. But they are a unique team.

We definately need to do more, Wenger definately needs to find new ways of progressing and admitting when he is wrong sooner. I totally agree. I think Arsene is the best manager for us and I will defend him, but he is no where near perfect and I don't think he is the best manager in the world. He has made alot of mistakes.

Jens and Almunia thing, you are right to some extent aswell imo. But I still think with the sort of player you can get on an emergency loan at this time of year would have been crap anyway. I think Jens was the better choice and should have more of a positive effect on Almunia than negative imo and I can see why Wenger brought him in.
 
just 2 weeks ago I saw Lemon at Arsenal TV doing a tourney awareness to learn another language or something like that. He was even ask about Arsenal days and he said "I would love to come back and(GK) coach" :LOL: just goes to show anything is possible when you dream !
 
jonneymendoza said:
i can see Henry coming back to arsenal
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90% chance that that would be disastrous for both player and club. Henry is an absolute icon, expectations would be sky high.
Henry will not be as good as he used to be for Arsenal...
Better not come back: now Henry is a legend for Arsenal, if he would come back he would end up with a lesser status.
 
gerd said:
90% chance that that would be disastrous for both player and club. Henry is an absolute icon, expectations would be sky high.
Henry will not be as good as he used to be for Arsenal...
Better not come back: now Henry is a legend for Arsenal, if he would come back he would end up with a lesser status.
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He will come back to train/teach etc. But it would be ridiculous to bring him back to play for us :LOL:
 
i totally misunderstood that...as a coach, yes that would probably a good idea.
In the Netherlands clubs have specific coaches for forwards, backs and midfielders.
I've read that Belgian forward Bjorn Vleminckx (currently top scores in the Dutch competition for Nex) has two former forwards as coaches: De Gier and Kluivert. This helps him enormously. Vleminckx was seen as a very average forward in Blegium, now he's top scorer in the Dutch competition (i know this means nothing to people from the big countries, but for a Belgian player and from our very modest point of view it means a lot to be top scorer in the Dutch competition).

Does English clubs also work with specific coaches? Henry would certainly be an ideal coach for Walcott.
 
On the subject of Henry coming back as an "attack coach", as much as us Gunners love him... I'd rather see Tony Adams or Martin Keown being a "defensive coach" :P
 
I agree it`s like buying loads of food ,but nowhere to store it! Balance is key and defend by possession is just too risky. If , we could defend like at Camp Nou after having a 2 goal lead that isn`t too much to ask for :SMUG:
 
Like all ex-gunners that can`t find work so they do a pires and come home. Train and hope someone picks him up.I`m amazed how wenger allows players to come n train and finds them work almost out of guilt.

I found an attacking article about Wenger. Think this is where the anger about Wenger n Arsenal and No trophies :COAT:

ANR Myles Palmer said:
Once David Dein was sacked, the inevitable happened.

When Wenger lost his mate, his ambitious wheeler-dealer buddy, he lost his bottle. He became timid but also more extreme, more doctrinaire, more entrenched in his obsessions. Season after season, he's rewarded failure, and imported scores of kids on silly wages. Players who win nothing are given a new contract and a pay rise and they owe it all to one man.

Teenage footballers worldwide know that Wenger is a very generous employer who plays attacking football, so they want to join the Arsene FC gravy train.

The board gave him more power than almost any football manager in history because they trusted him to make a profit.

The board gave Wenger the power to not buy the players Arsenal need.

That's what it boils down to.

The directors have NO INPUT into the football strategy because they have handed the whole club to Wenger. They trusted the greatest spin-doctor in sporting history to keep selling fans the future, to keep on persuading the mass media that his team is very,very close to success.He says he can't buy experience because it would kill his kids. But he's scared to buy proven players because they might have egos, might be confrontational, might challenge his training methods, might shout at his babies, might rock the calm of his precious Colney Creche, might fail and have to be moved on at a loss.

Victory through harmony?

That's a great Latin motto but it's become inappropriate. Third through harmony would be closer.

Finishing second and third and fourth does not make you a big club.

It just keeps the Champions League money coming in.

And Wenger really needs that cash to pay his wage bill of £111+ million.

And to bribe his captains to stay on for another season of winning nothing.

A big club run by big people would not be terrified about losing Vieira or Henry or Fabregas or Wenger.

Fact : the world is full of professional footballers. And coaches.
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Didn`t get the terrified Vieira, Henry bit we sold them :LOL: We`ll sell Fab too for the right price. I think Fab n Wenger wants fab`s price to rocket it w/ a Trophy.
 
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