UJSupanova
@Bobothy
You know what, i didn't bother reading most of this post. I saw the videos and read the build-up (Fabregas doesn't kick himself to the ground or spit at anyone) and this post if a massive fucking example of ownage.
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You know what, i didn't bother reading most of this post. I saw the videos and read the build-up (Fabregas doesn't kick himself to the ground or spit at anyone) and this post if a massive fucking example of ownage.
bebo
Looking for a Manager
Best Beliel moment was when Arsenal went to Old Trafford and Henry was injured . He went on the Arsenal thread and said cheers for the 3pts in advance 
Fab took the ball from Ronaldo and assisted Ade to score for 3pts. Almost as good as Hargreaves is ready and fit . Then BBC alerted Hargreaves back in America seeing a specialist. It`s all good there are No certainty ... I say!
Fab took the ball from Ronaldo and assisted Ade to score for 3pts. Almost as good as Hargreaves is ready and fit . Then BBC alerted Hargreaves back in America seeing a specialist. It`s all good there are No certainty ... I say!
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
i actualy agree 90% of what Beliel is saying in regards to most of our players betraying us.
if what Beliel said is true that players leave because they dont win fuck all, what will happen if fabregas stays this season and we win the title? surely he will never leave us for a very long time right?
if what Beliel said is true that players leave because they dont win fuck all, what will happen if fabregas stays this season and we win the title? surely he will never leave us for a very long time right?
Best Beliel moment was when Arsenal went to Old Trafford and Henry was injured . He went on the Arsenal thread and said cheers for the 3pts in advance
I can't believe you remember that(henry 3pts). I'm going to say the opposite next time and hopefully it will have a similar effect. Hargreaves will never ever be fit for United again this season or the next one!Another word besides disloyalty to answer your question - Greed.
bebo
Looking for a Manager
jonney you say more negative about wenger than a spud though
anyone saw this I`m sure its for hits Making sense of the Fabregas affair
anyone saw this I`m sure its for hits Making sense of the Fabregas affair
those are telling truths to a degree Ronaldo left MUTD though he had more he was treated like King.
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What a pointless arguement. We are now discussing Fabregas's character? I can find a video of almost any famous player 'diving'. It doesn't signify much.
For the video, it is clear Cesc has no idea what is going on and what shirt is being put on him. As you can see the first thing he does is look at what the shirt that has been put on him is. What can you expect him to do afterwards? Spit in the faces of Puyol, Pique, and Reina?????
For the video, it is clear Cesc has no idea what is going on and what shirt is being put on him. As you can see the first thing he does is look at what the shirt that has been put on him is. What can you expect him to do afterwards? Spit in the faces of Puyol, Pique, and Reina?????
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
every player dives and cheats. its a common thing but like i said. i only agreed with the guy saying how most of our players betrayed us and his spot on about it.
Fabregas in a way would do the same. when will he wake up and realize wenger was the one who made him the player he is today and realize at barcelona, he will be a bench warmer just like in the world cup.
Arsenal need to stand by their word and not sell him for less then 50m. its that simple. if we sell him it has to be for 50m and that 50m must be used straight away to buy a replacement or two. ALL of the 50m needs to be used not just some.
Fabregas in a way would do the same. when will he wake up and realize wenger was the one who made him the player he is today and realize at barcelona, he will be a bench warmer just like in the world cup.
Arsenal need to stand by their word and not sell him for less then 50m. its that simple. if we sell him it has to be for 50m and that 50m must be used straight away to buy a replacement or two. ALL of the 50m needs to be used not just some.
BobbyBox
WING NUT!
- 10 October 2003
- Arsenal
You know what, i didn't bother reading most of this post. I saw the videos and read the build-up (Fabregas doesn't kick himself to the ground or spit at anyone) and this post if a massive fucking example of ownage.
You mustn't have read my post then |(maybe you should read all of people's posts before you comment on them?). I never said he didn't do any of the above. I just said he wasn't renowned for it? many many players have done what he has done with the face clutching and diving etc it is shit and I don't like any players for it. The kicking his leg just looked like a big fuck up on Fabs part and he got a free kick for it. If a player is kicking his leg on purpose to get the foul they do it a lot more subtle than that. This doesn't mean he isn't a nice guy or hasn't treated the club with respect?! the argument is just stupid.
The spitting, that ballack video came out after the whole brown incident. He didn't spit in his face. Ballack didn't even mention it after the game nor did any of the commentators that were watching the game at the time. He was shouting at ballack, he didn't actually spit at him. Like when you shout and a tiny spray of saliva comes out, thats what happened. He didn't actually get spit in his mouth to purposely spit in his face.
The whole Fabregas pay is stupid aswell, arsenal offered him the money, he didn't demand anything?! show me an article to say he demanded money etc etc? you are just making things up.
Ashley Cole agreed an amount with Arsenal, Arsenal more or less promised to give him that amount and then went back on it. In my opinion that is out of order and anybody would be pissed off about it. So of course Arsenal played their part in the whole thing. But Cole could have also dealt with it better and has turned into a cunt because of how he dealt with it and i don't like him.
Beliel you should try and get more information before you post things. You are very naive, you shouldn't read everything in the tabloids and believe it.
Our main argument before you got obssesed with Fab being nice or not was on the reasons players leave Arsenal. I think in a totally different way than you. So just deal with it, what you say isn't fact, its just your opinion, that is based loosely on actual reality.
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Firstly lets stop changing the goalposts and contradicting ourselves shall we? You first exclaimed that Fabragas isn’t the sort of player to be associated with clutching his face or kicking his legs to dive because he's such a ''nice guy''. Yet I shown you evidence of it happening in both instances. Yet now it doesn't matter as now you exclaim nonsense justifying it all with remarks such ‘’well every other player else does it so its all okay’’ While I don’t disagree it unfortunately happens amongst many today - those players who do it are rightfully labelled as cheats and a disgrace. There are however many upright and honest indivuals who play with dignity upholding the values of fair play and decency. I don't blame you're skewd idea of common place for divers considering your club hasnt ever been the ideal haven of players who respect fair play and abide by the rules when they're not winning. Now you also say if a player kicks their own leg they do it subtly. I will show you two examples to which proves to the contrary
YouTube - torres dive vs chili ( slowmo )
Pires dive (see 39 sec in)
YouTube - Best of cheating football dives
You say Fabragas is a nice guy and not renowned for his antics. Yet even that point is redundant considering anyone without a cesc poster on their wall and memorabilia, outside arsenal's fan club, would have much to comment on fabregas’ character and some of his sly antics and petulance. Just ask any Chelsea or Hull fan what they think!
Furthermore you really must have no idea of contract negotiations and terms operate, if you think fabregas had no say or influence in the huge wage increase. Do you really believe that Arsenal just sat him down and offered a 50 per cent increase outright to break the clubs wage structure without any haggling by him or his advisors? This is where your naivety comes into play. A club doesn’t just jump from 60,000 to 120,000 per week and everything is all sweet and agreed. Arsenal would’ve no doubt proposed 80, or 90,000 first, which probably resulted in cesc on the verge of flipping out along with advisor adding in that arsenal wouldn’t a repeat of the A. cole debacle.
Fabregas and his advisor obviously had a big say when deciding the price. He’d have compared himself to other top earners at other clubs in the game to justifying the increase. He simply was in the ideal position in the to hold the club to ransom which he had no reluctance in becoming opportunistic. What choice did arsenal have? Let him run down his contract and let him go for cut price? Or propose to extend his contract to prove his loyalty? After all it was only the previous summer that he was whoring himself for barca, mentioning that he’d like to return to his boyhood club someday which got the alarm bells ringing and barca calling. Here is further information which gives further details of how it was all agreed with cesc playing a big part obviously http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2557...-the-3m-and-record-pay-deal-arsenal-gave-cesc
Come on now child lets get real, Don’t you ever suspect there was something wrong when someone who wants to leave so soon after signing an 120,000 per week extension makes an immense sudden turnaround within just 6 months? I’ll tell you what happened. That season when he signed the extension, Arsenal were in the run in to compete for the title and CL and fab fought they could challenge seriously. Had they not choked under pressure with gallas demonstrating that he couldn’t handle the responsibility of captaincy in a mature manner they would have been champions and you can bet cesc wanted to be a part of that. It’s called glory hunting and then coming to the realisation that his career can go to waste domestically without any worthwhile silverware. Don’t you think there is something wrong when his father comes out and demands Arsenal to pay cesc even more respect and give into his wishes of leaving? Here is the link we quotes if you don’t want to take my word on it http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...spect-midfielders-wish-to-join-Barcelona.html
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bebo
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So Beliel what do you suggest then I mean your point is to say Arsenal are shite and foreigners are glory hunters fuck off all foreign talent. Mutd are kings and EPL will be the next SPL? How do you expect a response from your attacks. Even your views on liverpool atm they`re a sick horse trying to recover while you throw stones at . Convincing is one thing but trying to attack someone views is another.... tactfulness comes to mind
I never said arsenal are shit or that foreigners should leave. I was simply providing my analysis on what is going wrong at your club and simply delievering some home truths which have been swept under the carpet.
Fortunately for the many who enjoy living in a bubble, I've been asked to tone my views down - Even though there is no bad langauge or offense towards members themselves but rather the actual clubs and how they operate along with their players in purely strictly football related facts. Sometimes they are hard to face, I understand. But its futile cowering away from it as its not simply going away just because you've closed your eyes.
To be fair, I've got a lot more respect for you Arsenal faithfuls. I've seen some of you hold your hands up and admit I was right. Whereas certain supporters, like to remain deluded thinking they're the best fans in the world. Even though while they're club is going to the dogs, they'll turn the other way and pretend certain issues are not happening
Fortunately for the many who enjoy living in a bubble, I've been asked to tone my views down - Even though there is no bad langauge or offense towards members themselves but rather the actual clubs and how they operate along with their players in purely strictly football related facts. Sometimes they are hard to face, I understand. But its futile cowering away from it as its not simply going away just because you've closed your eyes.
To be fair, I've got a lot more respect for you Arsenal faithfuls. I've seen some of you hold your hands up and admit I was right. Whereas certain supporters, like to remain deluded thinking they're the best fans in the world. Even though while they're club is going to the dogs, they'll turn the other way and pretend certain issues are not happening
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bebo
Looking for a Manager
everyone knows pool fans are touche tbh
You have to understand even if some admit to your views there consequences to that. You won`t be satisfied with 3 or 4 you want the lot to say aye m8 spot on. I admit I`ve suffer agony supporting Arsenal not winning, selling players not replacing players to my liking and such. I also have good understanding that we our a club trying to compete among the means which I can respect. At the end of the day We build a new stadium and a new team almost at a dangerous time economical wise. Supporting to me means through the drought or rainy season be faithful even when employees are not. Or just bounce to the winning team
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BobbyBox
WING NUT!
- 10 October 2003
- Arsenal
you are a fucking knob and I don't know why you think you are the oracle on all footballing matters. Just because you write a few paragraphs doesn't mean you know alot about what you are talking about. It just means you are talking more and more shit.
we keep going around and around because you dont want to read my posts properly and you want to keep posting the bile that you want. I said Fabregas is a nice guy because he didn't want to have a hissy fit in front of the cameras and be a dick for what was he saw was a practical joke. I didn't say he never dived etc etc. I said he wasn't renowned for it, just because you show 3 videos (all of which I have given other explanations for, but you seem to ignore to feed your own stupid observations) doesn't mean he does it all of the time and is a horrible person.
You say that having a debate is based on facts and evidence etc. But the whole Fabregas wages affair you have not given me any facts or evidence. You have given me what your idea of what actually happened. Because for some unknown reason, you think you know how every transfer situation goes?! you are a moron.
So please don't put words into my mouth.
I have commented on all the 'Evidence' that you have posted, but you seem to be ignoring it.
You do not write fact. You write what you think is fact, because for some reason you think you know everything about everything. What you write is loosely based on what happened and then you continue writing what you think and making it sound like facts when it is just your fucked up opinion.
You are a prick of the highest order and after reading the Liverpool thread it just compounds what I was thinking about you in the first place.
I've met many people like you in my life, they like to come out with loads of shit. 5% of it might come true and then you keep going on about how right you were and forget about the other 95%.
No one really cares what you say, especially when you keep coming out with rubbish.
PS just because Jonney thinks your right doesn't mean that some Arsenal fans agree with you. Jonney is his own entity and should be a barometer of how much shit you are talking....no offence Jonney, you know I love you
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you are a fucking knob and I don't know why you think you are the oracle on all footballing matters. Just because you write a few paragraphs doesn't mean you know alot about what you are talking about. It just means you are talking more and more shit.
we keep going around and around because you dont want to read my posts properly and you want to keep posting the bile that you want. I said Fabregas is a nice guy because he didn't want to have a hissy fit in front of the cameras and be a dick for what was he saw was a practical joke. I didn't say he never dived etc etc. I said he wasn't renowned for it, just because you show 3 videos (all of which I have given other explanations for, but you seem to ignore to feed your own stupid observations) doesn't mean he does it all of the time and is a horrible person.
You say that having a debate is based on facts and evidence etc. But the whole Fabregas wages affair you have not given me any facts or evidence. You have given me what your idea of what actually happened. Because for some unknown reason, you think you know how every transfer situation goes?! you are a moron.
So please don't put words into my mouth.
I have commented on all the 'Evidence' that you have posted, but you seem to be ignoring it.
You do not write fact. You write what you think is fact, because for some reason you think you know everything about everything. What you write is loosely based on what happened and then you continue writing what you think and making it sound like facts when it is just your fucked up opinion.
You are a prick of the highest order and after reading the Liverpool thread it just compounds what I was thinking about you in the first place.
I've met many people like you in my life, they like to come out with loads of shit. 5% of it might come true and then you keep going on about how right you were and forget about the other 95%.
No one really cares what you say, especially when you keep coming out with rubbish.
PS just because Jonney thinks your right doesn't mean that some Arsenal fans agree with you. Jonney is his own entity and should be a barometer of how much shit you are talking....no offence Jonney, you know I love you
I'm sincerely apologise if you have taken offence to me merely instigating a football related debate where you have come up short in. If I knew you were going to have an hysterical fit about this, I would have not have replied to your post. All I've shown you are events that actually happened in real time, quotes and unadulterated facts of the situations presenting themselves at your club.
This is a forum at the end of the day. Whether it is debates, opinions or facts - they are there to be presented. I have no issue with you and your views. However naive and simplistic they may be. However with my knowlegde of the true going ons of certain situations puts me in a position to reflect and counter any falshoods I come across. I think it speaks volumes when your own fans begin to wake up and smell the coffee and realise some aspects of what is going on with the club and its players need to be highlighted and voiced. Which is exactly what I'm doing and there are many who appreciate that when there are others who are afraid to speak up for the truth and feel ostracized when doing so.
Again I apologise that you are not capable of understanding and facing certain facets of reality. I cant force you to see,I can only show you the way and do my best in being honest.
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bebo
Looking for a Manager
tc811
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nasty.
BobbyBox
WING NUT!
- 10 October 2003
- Arsenal
ok then, still saying that what you are saying is fact...when it isn't. But you carry on. I will put it down to you not taking your medication after a while, since suddenly you have come onto the Liverpool and Arsenal threads to be a condescending twat for no reason and to talk rubbish.
you still haven't told us why you feel you know alot about football and what qualifies you to think you know more than everybody else? what knowledge have you of the 'true goings on'? did you read a couple of footballers biographies and books, so think you can associate it with every act in football? because that's what it looks like from here.
Anyway I will leave it be and you can live in your own bubble of crap
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DagsJT
Guest
Bobby, just ignore him 
He's clearly an idiot who's resurfaced because he's bored and is trolling around trying to get reactions off people. Don't feed the troll and all of that.
He's clearly an idiot who's resurfaced because he's bored and is trolling around trying to get reactions off people. Don't feed the troll and all of that.
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jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
Well said. The guys gone over boardDagsJT said:Bobby, just ignore him
He's clearly an idiot who's resurfaced because he's bored and is trolling around trying to get reactions off people. Don't feed the troll and all of that.
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
Anyways back on topic . how easy is it to buy tickets for the emirates cup?do I have to be a member?jonneymendoza said:Well said. The guys gone over boardBobby, just ignore him
He's clearly an idiot who's resurfaced because he's bored and is trolling around trying to get reactions off people. Don't
I still fail to see why an argument or a debate should condescend into flaming? Even if Beliel was talking crap for example, he's backing up his arguments with something, where as Bobby all you did in the end was rage a flaming war? Why not just reply in the same way he does? Or in any other way that doesn't involve flaming?
And what exactly is this about? No matter what you or anyone thinks of him, that gives you no right say that. That's just horrible. He's entitled to an opinion just like you and everyone does. There's a fine line between a joke and nasty line like yours.
And what exactly is this about? No matter what you or anyone thinks of him, that gives you no right say that. That's just horrible. He's entitled to an opinion just like you and everyone does. There's a fine line between a joke and nasty line like yours.
Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
Too many fans are far too sensitive about their own clubs when it comes to football discussion, on here.
Beliel's a breath of fresh air in here, not that I agree with everything he posts.
Beliel's a breath of fresh air in here, not that I agree with everything he posts.
We don't have to, no one has to. But I just don't understand certain replies. If I don't like or agree with what he says then I'd just agree to disagree and each to his own, or just ignore him, specially if he's not coming across as aggressive.
I just think Bobby was a tad too sensitive to what he said but should try to respond differently, and certainly keep Jonney out of it.
I just think Bobby was a tad too sensitive to what he said but should try to respond differently, and certainly keep Jonney out of it.
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
most of the things Beliel has said he has backed up with sources and facts. Also i missed that bit on what bobby said. Definetly was over the top in saying that. I dont even know why he mentioned my name has Beliel and bobby where having a discussion amongst themselves
anyways the thing with most arsenal fans is that they are very delusional and hardly admit to a negative thing about arsenal. Beliel is a breath of fresh air as he can see behind all that pretty football we play. When i see arsenal play shit or if somethings not going right due to this particular person or persons i have the balls to express it
Make no mistake, most of our ex players have abandon us and i agree with a lot of what Beliel says. i dont agree on fabregas being a dirty player though as everyone acts like an idiot once in a while. fab is not a player that continuesly cheats and acts like a fool. however i dunno, i think if he goes he is kind of abandoning the club that made him what he is today.
i am 101% sure that if fab was just another average player, barcelona wouldnt be interested.
Also, Arsenal could well a truely keep fabregas at arsenal for his whole contract if they wanted to. who the fuck cares if he wants to go. he signed a contract, he must honour it. if he wants to go, go ask barcelona to buy out your contract mate.
why the hell did fabregas sign a 8 year deal with us in the first place if he knew he one day wanted to go back to barcelona? o i tell you why. its because we aint winning shit and his after glory now instead of "helpiing" his team mates to win something. let him go if he wants to win more medals. its not even guaranteed he will win a medal at barcelona. i honestly reckon real madrid are going to dominate that league for as long as morinho is in charge. far superior manager then pepe.
Anyways read this: good article on why cecs aint going nowhere. plus i diddnt know barcelona STILL owe us money for hleb and henry
.http://www.thegunninghawk.com/2010/07/08/erik-ian-larsen-the-final-nail-in-barcelonas-coffin/
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DagsJT
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Have you even read Belial's posts? You seriously think he hasn't been flaming, trying to start something up?
So it's fine for him to insult people, their intelligence but when Bobby says something back, he's pulled for it?
Like this?
All of that is acceptable then? It's double-standards to pull Bobby up when Belial has spoken nothing but shit and insulted people all over.
Sorry Lami, you're wrong with that post. Belial has done nothing but come back to Evo-Web with the intention of winding people up and when someone replies to his insults, they're pulled up.
If you're going to moderate and tell someone their behaviour is wrong, you need to do it across the board and not pick out one person.
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jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
His not entirely wrong as somehow i got dragged into the middle of it!!!
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DagsJT
Guest
I thought it was pretty clear that Bobby was joking with you, no?
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
hope so! anyways lets move on? anyone know if i need to be a member to buy tickets for the emirates cup
The things you posted about Beliel wasn't in his argument with Bobby though? I did read the debate that went between him and Bobby and that's what I'm commenting on only. All I read from Beliel was his opinion backed up with stuff while Bobby just replying in quite a sensitive manner, and then got Jonney dragged in for no reason.
If I don't like Bobby's over-reaction then I certainly won't like any other member's either. No where in my post did I say Bobby isn't allowed while others can freely flame anyone. I'm clearly pointing out what wrong has happened in this argument among them and wouldn't want to see it happening anywhere.
I've read some of Beliel's arguments with the Man city fella, Mack I think it was, and boht of them were having a go at each other. I didn't see any winding up going on there, neither was there any sensitivity in their responses.
Anyway, the intention of my post was this, argue and debate all you want, but please keep it clean. If you can't handle debates or you're too sensitive about the subject, just let it be.
That post was not a personal attack against Bobby. I've got nothing against him, instead I've got something against the way he reacted, and I certainly do not want anyone to do the same.
You must be joking, right? His whole post was aggressive and if that was me he mentioned instead of Jonney I would certainly not have taken it lightly. He's clearly be-littling Jonney's opinion. That's plain wrong and I see no reason for anyone to defend that. There's no point arguing this one.
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