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Francole
Wanderer
pique and puyol put the barcelona shirt to fabregas.
and pepe reina say "the future of barcelona, the future of national team"
i dont like this joke.
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
pique and puyol put the barcelona shirt to fabregas.
and pepe reina say "the future of barcelona, the future of national team"
fucker
YouTube - Puyol y Piqué ponen a Cesc del Barça (celebraciones Madrid)
Nice show of respect from barcelona to arsenal eh. fucking tossers. im hating barcelona more and more.
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IceMan_Bergkamp
Total Football
Funny thing was, it's a national celebration for a country and it's first ever world cup, and yet, Barca still try to make it all about them. It's embarrassing at best, and very crass.
Gone is every ounce of respect i had for Barca as a club, especially with them now firing honourary president Johann Cruyff.
Nice move you culos - Barca esta una grande puta. Pique y Puyol, chinga a tu madre. Maricons.
Gone is every ounce of respect i had for Barca as a club, especially with them now firing honourary president Johann Cruyff.
Nice move you culos - Barca esta una grande puta. Pique y Puyol, chinga a tu madre. Maricons.
Ronaldinho_23
Premier League
a respect...
"chinga tu madre" is mexican no spanish.
"maricons"?? are you homophobic?
cesc dreams with barcelona...don't cry, he is arsenal player, at the moment...but barcelona's heart
BobbyBox
WING NUT!
- 10 October 2003
- Arsenal
Barcelona and some of their players are the main reason they have not got Cesc at the moment.
They have treated Arsenal like shit and with no respect whatsoever.
They have treated us like a club that doesn't have an option but to sell? it is very strange and my only conclusion is they are very arrogant and very stupid and when you get those two together it doesn't really end very well.
They need to treat other clubs with a alot more respect. They have been disgraceful in terms of trying to sign Fab.
Arsenal are now in the position where they will not even entertain the idea of selling him to Barca and the only reason is because of the way Barca have acted.
Barcelona have shot themselves in the foot big time.
They have treated Arsenal like shit and with no respect whatsoever.
They have treated us like a club that doesn't have an option but to sell? it is very strange and my only conclusion is they are very arrogant and very stupid and when you get those two together it doesn't really end very well.
They need to treat other clubs with a alot more respect. They have been disgraceful in terms of trying to sign Fab.
Arsenal are now in the position where they will not even entertain the idea of selling him to Barca and the only reason is because of the way Barca have acted.
Barcelona have shot themselves in the foot big time.
IceMan_Bergkamp
Total Football
Oh shut the fuck up with your want of respect. You sound the same as that idiot Laporta and the new idiot Rosell.
The tact and display by Pique and Puyol displays just how out of control and oblivious the egos that exist at Barcelona are. Two Barca players hijacked Spain's World Cup celebrations for purely selfish motives.
On a night in Madrid, which should have been a NATIONAL triumph of the most united national team in their history, they made it about Barcelona.
If you look at the great teams of the past who have failed, you can only congratualate Del Bosque for forging such unity - Michel, Bakero, Berguristain, Gordillo, Hierro, Luis Enrique, Butragueno, Amavisca - all great players that could not be forged into a winning team by coaches of the likes of Santamaria, Miera, Clemente, Camacho or Inaki Saez.
Barca made themselves look classless, and what should have been Cesc enjoying the crowds appreciation of his setup to Iniesta's goal became an uncomfortable 'circus'.
Barca in the press saying they'll pay only 29million for Cesc, then saying that maybe going to press didn't help. It's not a buyers market for Christs sake - if you haven't got the money, how can you buy the player? I don't go to Nike town and ask them to sell me the Arsenal shirt with Cesc '4' printed on the back for £4! FFS! Barca just took out an emergency loan of $170 to pay wages for last month and keep the club in a fluid state.
Now ask where the respect is if the club continues to operate below the level of professionalism. They've done the exact same thing through the years with Henry, Overmars, Petit, Hleb (the joke was on you!) and now Cesc.
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gerd
Retired Footballer
That is a very, very mature post, just like your avatar.
Of course it's almost all about barca: Pique, Puyol, Iniesta, Xavi, Pedro, Busquets and Cec Fabregas...they are all youth products from Barcelona, Villa just got transferred to Barcelona.
Spain play like Barcelona...this triumph is as much about Barcelona as about Spain. Barcelona should be proud. Imagine England winning the WC with 7 Arsenal players in the team...every soingle Arsenal fan and the club would be proud and would claim that title at least partly as Arsenal's title...be fair and admit that you would do the same.
I know you are a nice guy, and i don't want to offend you. But there is something that i wanted to ask you for some months now about your avatar. Was he that important to you (would you believe i can't even remember his name?), you are making him much more important than he should be. Oh and i still think with him Arsenal would have won the title. You guys are fans of the second most spectacular team in the world (after Barcelona), just be happy and proud.
As for your last post about Pique and Puyol: you don't understand Catalans and their mentality. I think they have every right to "hijack" that triumph...it's not Spain that won the WC...it's Puyol and Pique...if they want to wave a Catalunya flag why not? Once again imagine England winning the WC with 7 Arsenal players and one of these players waving an Arsenal flag (like Cesc with his Arsenal scarf, did he hijack that triumph?). I think you would be proud and rightly so.
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jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
But you wouldnt see a arsenal player force and put on a arsenal shirt on a spurs player now would you?
Sorry but i dont agree with some of your points. yes its fine imo to wave the flag of catalans or whatever but to force fabregas into wearing the shirt is taking the piss.
Their has to be a limit. and that was it. If you think barcelona have shown a lot of respect for arsenal then you must be as deluded as the Dutch coach in thinking his team was hard done by the ref.
And about adebayor. no he wasnt important to us. he was a money grabbing lazy arrogant idiot. thats why fans dont like him and thats why his been a flop so far in man city.
Also, not all of are bothered changing our avatar every 5mins. i think must have changed mine like 4 times since i been a member here in evo web.
In a nutshell its fine to wave your clubs flag but to go and throw in a barcelona shirt to a player that barcelona desperately wants is out of order. i expect that from a clueless random barcelona fan to pull a stunt like that(Take note on Thierry henry when a fan went up to him with the shirt) but fellow barcelona/spanish players doing it in front of the world plus stating how Fab is the"future of barcelona"
Fuck that for a laugh.
bebo
Looking for a Manager
I understood it as a joke Pepe is a joker and makes the celebration much better. I`m not sure how this has to do w/ flag waving, it was a shirt that was force on him. He isn`t Fab the impact player from Arsenal he is the Capitano FFS! hence why he was embarrassed and hours before dedicated his Win to Arsenal Club & fans around the globe.
Yeaah, Wenger said in the very beginning that 2 parties need to come together not bring it public this only hurts the buyer.
the word represent means what to you ?gerd said:
Yeaah, Wenger said in the very beginning that 2 parties need to come together not bring it public this only hurts the buyer.
gerd
Retired Footballer
The Barcelona shirt was just a harmless joke. Nothing more than that.
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
so was the spanish 2nd goalie saying this "fabregas is the future of barcelona"
what i do find as a joke is that 29m bid barcelona made for fabregas
that was the joke of the year so far.
what i do find as a joke is that 29m bid barcelona made for fabregas
that was the joke of the year so far.Putting the shirt on should be funny, in the way that football should be light-hearted and about fun and entertainment.
As it's about business and success, that action might well have trimmed £5m or so off of Cesc's price tag. Or pissed off Arsenal enough not to sell.
It sucks, but football is pretty serious these days. And the professionals who play it should know that.
If he'd dressed Cesc in a pink shirt that says I love Puyol, that would be funny. Putting a man in the middle of a protracted transfer struggle into the jersey of the team trying to force him out of his current club - that's tactless and wrong.
As a side note, are there no tapping rules any more? Not about the shirt thing, but every single person that has anything to do with Barcelona has spent every waking minute apart from watching the WC tapping up Cesc this summer.
As it's about business and success, that action might well have trimmed £5m or so off of Cesc's price tag. Or pissed off Arsenal enough not to sell.
It sucks, but football is pretty serious these days. And the professionals who play it should know that.
If he'd dressed Cesc in a pink shirt that says I love Puyol, that would be funny. Putting a man in the middle of a protracted transfer struggle into the jersey of the team trying to force him out of his current club - that's tactless and wrong.
As a side note, are there no tapping rules any more? Not about the shirt thing, but every single person that has anything to do with Barcelona has spent every waking minute apart from watching the WC tapping up Cesc this summer.
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IceMan_Bergkamp
Total Football
No offence taken mate.
I'm not disregarding the years when Franco ruled with his draconian fist and marginalised everything non-castillian, and now the joy of being openly catalunyan without prejudice or prosecution. It's the approach that leaves a sour taste in my mouth - that they are untouchable/beyond criticism. What if Arsenal were the bigger club? How would Barca feel if we publically went about and dropped quotes to the papers? "Oh, Xavi has the Arsenal DNA, blah blah blah". I know it's a different setup in Spain - what with AS/Marca vs Sport/El Mundo Deportivo being the media mouth of these clubs, but it's crass nonetheless.
In short, if they want Cesc, then seal a cheque in an envelope to Ashburton Grove for £60 million as he is our captain and has four years left on his contract. They are not in the position financially to outlay that amount yet, so will try to unsettle the player and inadvertantly request he engineer the move.
The avatar is based on the year when Adebayor had a fantastic season, talked about Milan wanting him compared to Beyonce telling the papers she fancied you, then engineering a pay rise. He got his hike - then we saw nothing of his swashbuckling performances. The CL game against United was a disgrace - not sure he even broke sweat. Then he goes off to City, and can't stop saying he never wanted to leave. For crying out loud, you've gone, so just go.
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
he even wore an arsenal shirt when some bunch of africans shot at his team bus during the african nations
sattan_hussein
Championship
Funny that they didn't put it on Villa (did they?), who IS a Barcelona player.
YouTube - Puyol y Piqué ponen a Cesc del Barça (celebraciones Madrid)
Fabregas showing his true colours! I have no idea why the Arsenal faithful act suprised. Rarely any of the top talents they produce from a young AGE, have much loyatly or respect towards Wenger once they finally grow up and realise he is stubborn and stuck in his ways lacking ambition. So their left with no other choice but to look out for themselves considering how short a footballers career is and have to betray the club that made them who they are.
Here's the list of betrayers
Anelka - betrayed the club who made him
Viera - betrayed the club who made him
Petit - betrayed the club who made him
Overmars - betrayed the club
Henry betrayed the club and the fans saying he'll stay then going back on his word
Ashley Cole - betrayed the fans for 50k a week
Flamini - betrayed the club
Hleb - betrayed the club
Diara - Was fed up of the lack of opportunities
Adeboyor - Betrayed Arsene Wenger who put faith in him giving him the chance to ply his trade in the prem. Also betrayed the fans after rubbing in assist for City's decisive goal last season
Can you see a pattern yet? After fabregas leaves it will soon be Arshavin. The list goes on and on. You'll soon wake and smell the coffee in the fact its Wenger doesn't provide the vision and ambition to gain much faith from his key players, who soon realise they are a big fish in a small pond.
Fabregas showing his true colours! I have no idea why the Arsenal faithful act suprised. Rarely any of the top talents they produce from a young AGE, have much loyatly or respect towards Wenger once they finally grow up and realise he is stubborn and stuck in his ways lacking ambition. So their left with no other choice but to look out for themselves considering how short a footballers career is and have to betray the club that made them who they are. Here's the list of betrayers
Anelka - betrayed the club who made him
Viera - betrayed the club who made him
Petit - betrayed the club who made him
Overmars - betrayed the club
Henry betrayed the club and the fans saying he'll stay then going back on his word
Ashley Cole - betrayed the fans for 50k a week
Flamini - betrayed the club
Hleb - betrayed the club
Diara - Was fed up of the lack of opportunities
Adeboyor - Betrayed Arsene Wenger who put faith in him giving him the chance to ply his trade in the prem. Also betrayed the fans after rubbing in assist for City's decisive goal last season
Can you see a pattern yet? After fabregas leaves it will soon be Arshavin. The list goes on and on. You'll soon wake and smell the coffee in the fact its Wenger doesn't provide the vision and ambition to gain much faith from his key players, who soon realise they are a big fish in a small pond.
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BobbyBox
WING NUT!
- 10 October 2003
- Arsenal
YouTube - Puyol y Piqué ponen a Cesc del Barça (celebraciones Madrid)
Here's the list of betrayers
Anelka - betrayed the club who made him
Viera - betrayed the club who made him
Petit - betrayed the club who made him
Overmars - betrayed the club
Henry betrayed the club and the fans saying he'll stay then going back on his word
Ashley Cole - betrayed the fans for 50,00 a week
Flamini - betrayed the club
Hleb - betrayed the club
Diara - Was fed up of the lack of opportunities
Adeboyor - Betrayed Arsene Wenger who put faith in him giving him the chance to ply his trade in the prem. Also betrayed the fans after rubbing in assist for City's decisive goal last season
Can you see a pattern yet? After fabregas leaves it will soon be Arshavin. The list goes on and on. You'll soon wake and smell the coffee in the fact its Wenger doesn't provide the vision and ambition to gain much faith from his key players, who soon realise they are a big fish in a small pond.
That is one of the shittest posts I have ever read
Fab was forced into the shirt, he was very embarrassed by it. He isn't going to betray the club because he has let it be known of his views etc. He has handled himself very well so far.
I cant be bothered to go through your whole list, but only a couple I would say actually (slightly) 'betrayed' the club and then I would be pushing it.
You are living in cuckoo land.
That is one of the shittest posts I have ever read
Fab was forced into the shirt, he was very embarrassed by it. He isn't going to betray the club because he has let it be known of his views etc. He has handled himself very well so far.
I cant be bothered to go through your whole list, but only a couple I would say actually (slightly) 'betrayed' the club and then I would be pushing it.
You are living in cuckoo land.
Yes, clearly we can see Fabregas ripping up the barca shirt and doing all can to prevent Reina putting it on him. Clearly Fabregas shows expresions of anger and contempt. Rather than that of smiles and laughs that he may soon be a Barca player.
And it's me that's apparently living in cuckoo land!
Why cant you admit there is a trend of disloyalty amongst the clubs key players, who no longer believe in the manager and clubd. And become disillusioned with how it operates?
BobbyBox
WING NUT!
- 10 October 2003
- Arsenal
Fab is a very nice guy and in a special occasion after winning the world cup. He is hardley going to rip it off and have a go at them in front of all the screens (it would have been great if he did though). He had 3 players forcing the shirt on him! if he was putting it on willingly why were his arms not through the sleeves properly?!
Clearly Fabregas smiles embarrasingly and walks away. If you see anything else then there must be something wrong with your eyes.
I can't admit it, because I don't think it is true. Most of the players left because they had spent many years with us and won things, so wanted to move on and experience something different. Arsene let them go, because he felt their best years were behind them and he was more or less right on most of them.
Players like Hleb and Adebayor left because they thought they were better than they were and were greedy. Nothing to do with them being disillusioned with the club.
If Fabregas leaves its because he wants to go to his boyhood club and his country and play there. He will not be betraying us if he leaves and most people will be sad but not begrudge him of his move.
tc811
Resident Evo-Web Retard
Hey guys, he didn't put his arms through the shirt, so as far as we're concerned he was forced into it. Not Balotelli- AC Milan style.
I can only see joy on Fabregas face and slight coyness of finally being able to put on the barca shirt without making it too obvious that he's enjoying it.
I'm sorry but I will have to contend with you're defintion of what constitutes a ''nice guy''. A ''nice guy'' doesnt spit on players. A ''nice guy'' doesnt kick himself to the ground to win free kicks. A ''nice guy'' doesnt clutch his face on the ground when he hasnt been touched only to get the opposition player sent off. A ''nice guy'' doesnt throw everything back in the face of his manager and club, who gave him a rare opportunity to play in the CL final when he was barely 20. In the days when Messi was hardly making the bench for Barcalona ! A ''nice guy'' doesnt sign a new contract demanding his manager to brake the wage structure of the club for him to stay, only for the following summer to request to leave.
You can sugarcoat it all like, the fact of the matter is he is betraying the club that put faith in him when no one else would. And is leaving simply because he has not won the league neither CL and feels he'll get more glory with Barca. The same reasons why cole left for chelsea, flamini for milan, adeboyor for City and so on and so on.
The players you possess or use to, are simply glory hunting, disloyal, spoilt ingrates. And they leave because they are dismayed with the lack of ambition that emanates from within the walls of the club.
gerd
Retired Footballer
Good reaction Ice man Bergkamp.
I do not entirely agree, but i respect your opinion, also about Adebayor.
I do not entirely agree, but i respect your opinion, also about Adebayor.
tc811
Resident Evo-Web Retard
Adebayor's quest for cash was certain, but Cesc has been with us for 7 years now. If that's his choice he should move on, but only if Barca pay us the proper amount.
BobbyBox
WING NUT!
- 10 October 2003
- Arsenal
It was proven that Fabregas didnt spit in anybodies face (allegations were made by two twats that all the cameras in the whole stadium did'nt pick up and it was meant to have been in the middle of the pitch?). I don't know what/when you are refering to when you say he kicks himself to the ground? and also the feigning injury thing? he is not a player that is associated with any of that?
And I am sure he didn't demand the club to break the wage structure, I dont know when or where you heard that from?!
From what I heard Arsenal wanted to pay him the amount they paid because they thought it might keep him longer at Arsenal and put him on a level that other top players in the world are on. They wanted to show how much he meant to us. At that time he was still saying how much his immediate future is at Arsenal.
But he has always stated that he will want to move to barca. So when the time comes, maybe now, he has not misled any of the fans or the club.
I really dont see where you are getting your opinions from? but they are very skewed and misguided judging from all the things I have read.
Just because a player plays for a club and then wants to leave doesn't make them disloyal and I have pointed out why in my previous posts. In your view any player that leaves for another club is disloyal? it's silly.
Ashley Cole would have stayed with us if he got paid what he was expecting and promised by Arsenal. (I still don't like him, but the club was at fault to some degree on the Ashley affair)
Adebayor did hold the club to ransom and he had no basis to do so. He went to Man City because of the money, if you think anything else then you are misguided. He wanted to go to AC Milan, but they did not want him in the end, so he went for more money instead, because his mouthing off left him no place in the Arsenal fans hearts anymore.
Flamini left for Milan because he supported them when he was younger and his contract was at an end. Arsenal didn't sign him up quick enough. To be fair his last season was his amazing one, so that is why he wasn't resigned sooner, no one could have predicted how good he was going to be in that last season.
Most of the others wanted to leave because they had won things and wanted to try things differently which they had every right to do? and wenger didn't try too hard for them to stay as he thought that their best years were behind them, which he was more or less right, especially for the money we recieved for them.
Ronaldinho_23
Premier League
fabregas's heart is cule, is of barcelona, this player is catalan.
finish
he play now for arsenal, ok, don't worry.
today, tomorrow, this year, future year..but fabregas will play to barcelona. because he want.
finish
he play now for arsenal, ok, don't worry.
today, tomorrow, this year, future year..but fabregas will play to barcelona. because he want.
I wasn't referring to the Mr Brown incident but rather the ballack one.
I'm sorry to have to tear you bubble of naviety. However Fabregas is exactly the kind of deceitful player, to kick himself to the ground. Here are the facts son. Its what we deal with when debating
YouTube - Fabregas Kick Yourself Dive
YouTube - Fabregas Clutching Face Dive
YouTube - Fabregas Spits In Ballacks Face
Yes, definitely a nice guy from the looks of it!
As for his new contract, he is now the highest paid player in you're clubs history. It was just an extension with the idea to secure his future at arsenal and ward off the interest of Barca. At least that's what he had you believe after saying he only had Arsenal in his mind and wanting to win as many trophies as possible with them. When that didnt look like happening and he could see the reality and the players around him like denilson and Almunia- His tune suddenly changed and was now filled with dreams of Barcalona. Here is a link confirming he now is on a 120,000 contract as highest earner ever.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...-and-Real-Madrid-exclusive-article314579.html
As for cole, there is no excuse, he left over 5,000. David Dein at the time offered him 55,000 instead of 60,000 and he flipped out. You really think that's reasonable?
Anelka also left the club for money.
Henry because he was tired of playing along with children who had no hope of winning the prem or CL. This was after he promised the fans he was staying before the summer he did actually leave. Arsene wenger also trusted him to stick by his word by giving him the captaincy
Its just about them leaving, its the manner in which they leave. Whether its with diginty and being honest with the club and its fans or on sour terms exposing themselves as sneaky spoilt disloyal deceiving ingrates.
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bebo
Looking for a Manager
I think one problem could be is Arsenal pays their young players big money contracts 30k - 40k a week. When they get older there at 50k - 60k a week. Agents, Parents start putting there say and then. They change a bit just imo... I wont call players betrayers ,because you will sound very futile . No one knows behind close doors what is being said and to assume what happen is like trying to chase wind.
I really didnt like Cesc when paddy left and paddy was almost asked to leave by Wenger he doesn`t give 2year contracts to over the hill players (30) .Cesc took nearly 2 years of getting ran over by a typical english player almost like wasteful Theo even though cesc took the ball from paddy and score past buffon in the CL night at Highbury
. Wenger still gave hope to Cesc and Lord and behold Cesc was stronger and passes were connecting his assist rate went from 5 to 13.
Today we see Rasmey who is already a stronger lad to what Cesc and Thoe were at his age. Hell , Wilshire is a bulldog and a joy to see.Look! every Arsenal supporter whether hardcore or armchair like myself knows cesc is important for the development of our younger players ,but we know he will leave. We just want a bit respect from barca and they try to devalue cesc. That is what hurts me it`s like being bullied but they take it further to bully my mums. That is where Arsenal supporters are getting angry about. Don`t talk how respectable you are show it .
I repeat Cesc is important for Arsenal`s future but there are no certainty either. Rasmey cost us 5mil it was Wenger a frenchy that brought him here he has lots to say about Arsenal and Then we have Wilshire, players come and go and I pray it will work out win trophies and we can remain a English running club.
I really didnt like Cesc when paddy left and paddy was almost asked to leave by Wenger he doesn`t give 2year contracts to over the hill players (30) .Cesc took nearly 2 years of getting ran over by a typical english player almost like wasteful Theo even though cesc took the ball from paddy and score past buffon in the CL night at Highbury
. Wenger still gave hope to Cesc and Lord and behold Cesc was stronger and passes were connecting his assist rate went from 5 to 13.Today we see Rasmey who is already a stronger lad to what Cesc and Thoe were at his age. Hell , Wilshire is a bulldog and a joy to see.Look! every Arsenal supporter whether hardcore or armchair like myself knows cesc is important for the development of our younger players ,but we know he will leave. We just want a bit respect from barca and they try to devalue cesc. That is what hurts me it`s like being bullied but they take it further to bully my mums. That is where Arsenal supporters are getting angry about. Don`t talk how respectable you are show it .
I repeat Cesc is important for Arsenal`s future but there are no certainty either. Rasmey cost us 5mil it was Wenger a frenchy that brought him here he has lots to say about Arsenal and Then we have Wilshire, players come and go and I pray it will work out win trophies and we can remain a English running club.