Arsenal Thread

[BobbyBox]

Yeah, those top games got more expensive. Can you imagine paying 70 quid to watch in the lower tear behind the goal?

Of course we can't have Silva, Aguero, Yaya Touré (not now anyway, our scouts sent the boy home when he trialed with us). But looking at our squad, we could be better with this kind of income.

Cool lets leave it at us just not agreeing as usual, because whatever I say you want take it in.

I just want to highlight what you said (I have put in bold above) this sort of comment just epitomises you and what you say.

This is what Wenger says about Yaye Toure and the trial, can you just point me to the bit where he says our scouts 'sent the boy home'?

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-why-i-could-not-sign-yaya-toure

If you want to keep telling me you are saying facts and not sensationalising things, then don't just write stuff like that, it makes you look like a hypocrite.

 

[Rantboy]

Cool lets leave it at us just not agreeing as usual, because whatever I say you want take it in.

I just want to highlight what you said (I have put in bold above) this sort of comment just epitomises you and what you say.

This is what Wenger says about Yaye Toure and the trial, can you just point me to the bit where he says our scouts 'sent the boy home'?

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-why-i-could-not-sign-yaya-toure

If you want to keep telling me you are saying facts and not sensationalising things, then don't just write stuff like that, it makes you look like a hypocrite.

I've heard more than once that he was turned down and I didn't check what really happened there. Sorry about that one

Anyways it is frustrating when know a great player that you can't get. I wonder if Arsenal could have signed him before joining Barcelona. Surely he must have featured a number of times for Ivory Coast by that time, which would have allowed him to play in England? Anyway, it's not worth to keep banging the drums about buts and ifs.

The facts I referred to before were about the ticket prices. I even used 2 different sources there, and it's clear for anyone to see.

Anyways, we could keep arguing about this for ages, so we might just leave it. For me, personally, it is very underwhelming the work of this current board in the last 2 years. Now our stadium debt isn't as big as before, but our squad gets weaker. I don't get it.

This thing about Nina Bracewell-Smith regreting the sale of her shares to Kroenke suggest that old board members and shareholders more or less share this view.

Arsenal is starting to look more and more like just another of Mr. Kroenke's many investments.

 

[BobbyBox]

I've heard more than once that he was turned down and I didn't check what really happened there. Sorry about that one

Over the course of this conversation, it has been evident there have been a few things you haven't checked, comments based on assumptions etc etc This was my main point and the one I wanted to get across.

Anyways it is frustrating when know a great player that you can't get. I wonder if Arsenal could have signed him before joining Barcelona. Surely he must have featured a number of times for Ivory Coast by that time, which would have allowed him to play in England? Anyway, it's not worth to keep banging the drums about buts and ifs.

Exactly ifs and buts, yep it is frustrating we can't buy Messi, Ronaldo and many other great players etc but that is just life.

The facts I referred to before were about the ticket prices. I even used 2 different sources there, and it's clear for anyone to see.

Really if you don't get what I was saying about the tickets then I have to give up on that one. I know the tickets are expensive and I have said a couple of times that I don't like it etc my point was in how you used the term and information without taking into account other areas. So lets just give up on this.

Anyways, we could keep arguing about this for ages, so we might just leave it. For me, personally, it is very underwhelming the work of this current board in the last 2 years. Now our stadium debt isn't as big as before, but our squad gets weaker. I don't get it.

The other board were in charge for some of our 8 years without silverwear? They agreed to the new stadium and the sacrifices that had to be made. Do you really think it is just because of the new board where we are now? If so I think that is quite naive.

This thing about Nina Bracewell-Smith regreting the sale of her shares to Kroenke suggest that old board members and shareholders more or less share this view.

Arsenal is starting to look more and more like just another of Mr. Kroenke's many investments.

Or instead of it showing that old board members and shareholders share the view. How about it shows ONE Board member/shareholders view on the situation, Nina's view. Does she say she speaks on behalf of the others?

And for Kroenke, Arsenal is a business all football clubs should be run as a business, full stop. Do you really think it is in every millionnaires/billionnaires remit to just throw their money down the toilet like Abramovich/Monsour. No usually they have there money because they make investments to make money.

Do you really think it is not in his best interests for Arsenal to be as successful as possible?

I don't think Stan is great, but I am not totally against the guy either. The money is starting to come through finally, with the new sponsorship etc. I would like to see if we can use it effectively with Arsene and see what happens, starting with this January.

 

[Rantboy]

Dude, I think you're paranoid if you think I twist everything I say to make things look worse.

I said suggests not shows. Seems you're putting a little twist of your own to my words

Not only Nina made her position clear, but it's very well known to public that our former vice-chairman isn't exactly over the moon about it either.

It's true that political interests dictate their positions and it's easier to say stuff once you're out. But this current Arsenal board has got no results to back them. Nor they have many hints that they're going in the right direction.
It's not me being naive, I'm being rather suspicious of this new ownership instead. We all know about the sacrifices of moving to the new stadium, but it's been 6 years and our team is arguably the weakest we've seen in the Wenger era. When things should be getting a little better, by logic.

I don't want Kroenke to do a Mansour, as I doubt he would, but I don't want the other model of ownership whereas they will be leeching on the club.
Wenger looks like a perfect cash cow for these guys. He bought Alex Song for 400k and sells for 15m. From a business point of view this is fantastic. But the football side suffers.
I think Kroenke doesn't care a great deal about it though, as he rarely shows up at the club. We've been through this ages ago, I better not write too much about it again.

I think I did understand your view on ticket prices. You implied before that you were happy to pay 35 pounds, that you were happy with your seat and your experience. That's fine. But you're not taking into account yourself that for this price you can't watch the match against City for example.
All I did was demonstrate how our tickets are more expensive compared to anyone else's in the League (like for like).
To me, they have become greedy charging fans those prices.
If you told me you don't mind paying higher prices to watch Arsenal, that's fine. But it bothers me if you imply that our tickets aren't that expensive just because you can catch some lower tier matches for 35 quid.

The part about not taking into account full information and other areas may apply only for season tickets. For individual tickets what I posted couldn't have been clearer.
But for season tickets (where we charge in average twice more than Man United according to the Guardian) this is the most subjective part. When you tell me why we charge more there (state-of-the-art stadium, comfortable chairs, free stuff, what have you), you will be giving me more ammunition to point out to the fact that the football part of the product isn't the centre of it all. It's akin to some other form of entertainment.

What else didn't I take into account? That the season ticket includes 7 cup games? Do they include away games? Don't other clubs offer cup games in the package as well? Did you check it before posting?
I had a quick look and Manchester United's season ticket allocates tickets for European Cup, FA Cup and League Cup (Arsenal doesn't include League Cup in the package).

Anyway, I'm sure we have better stuff to do other than pick out stuff from each other's posts looking for flaws. This could go on forever.

We agree on many other things but not so many lately, because my patience is running out with what I see from Arsenal.

We both wanna see Arsenal succeed, and I'm sure we both want it to happen under Arsene Wenger. But it pisses me off that Wenger (who may have some faults of his own, but still deserves all respect from Arsenal fans) could become the fall guy due to deeper underlying problems that affect how the club is run.

 

[BobbyBox]

Dude, I think you're paranoid if you think I twist everything I say to make things look worse.

The last one about the Scouts sending Toure on his way, was a little bit to put in just to try and prove your point that our Scouts are shit.....it didn't work, there is a few points like this that I have pointed out, so I really don't think I am paranoid, I have highlighted many areas where you have done it, maybe you are not doing it on purpose, but subconsciously. Either way, I just don't agree with the way you present information.

I said suggests not shows. Seems you're putting a little twist of your own to my words

Suggests, or shows, doesn't matter what one you want to use they still do not do either? It's just one former board member/Shareholder with her view. Has nothing to do with the others.

Not only Nina made her position clear, but it's very well known to public that our former vice-chairman isn't exactly over the moon about it either.

Are you talking about David Dein? I'm pretty sure you are and it is hilarious that you bring it up, because he doesn't have a vested interest in the current board being made to look shit etc, does he?

It's true that political interests dictate their positions and it's easier to say stuff once you're out. But this current Arsenal board has got no results to back them. Nor they have many hints that they're going in the right direction.
It's not me being naive, I'm being rather suspicious of this new ownership instead. We all know about the sacrifices of moving to the new stadium, but it's been 6 years and our team is arguably the weakest we've seen in the Wenger era. When things should be getting a little better, by logic.

They have said that it is going to get much better (Financially wise) over the next couple of seasons. We are finally now going to be able to get the real benefits from the stadium and the sacrifices we made because of it. The last board went away in the middle of our shittest period for a long while and it takes a while to get things going.

I don't want Kroenke to do a Mansour, as I doubt he would, but I don't want the other model of ownership whereas they will be leeching on the club.
Wenger looks like a perfect cash cow for these guys. He bought Alex Song for 400k and sells for 15m. From a business point of view this is fantastic. But the football side suffers.
I think Kroenke doesn't care a great deal about it though, as he rarely shows up at the club. We've been through this ages ago, I better not write too much about it again.

But you said yourself we are breaking even with buying and selling players, so why would they be happy that they got 15million for Song, they weren't pocketing that money? I thought your thing was that they are only spending the money they are receiving from player sales and they should invest the other revenue that they are making?

But you are right we could go around in circles with this like everything else.

I think I did understand your view on ticket prices. You implied before that you were happy to pay 35 pounds, that you were happy with your seat and your experience. That's fine. But you're not taking into account yourself that for this price you can't watch the match against City for example.
All I did was demonstrate how our tickets are more expensive compared to anyone else's in the League (like for like).
To me, they have become greedy charging fans those prices.
If you told me you don't mind paying higher prices to watch Arsenal, that's fine. But it bothers me if you imply that our tickets aren't that expensive just because you can catch some lower tier matches for 35 quid.

The part about not taking into account full information and other areas may apply only for season tickets. For individual tickets what I posted couldn't have been clearer.
But for season tickets (where we charge in average twice more than Man United according to the Guardian) this is the most subjective part. When you tell me why we charge more there (state-of-the-art stadium, comfortable chairs, free stuff, what have you), you will be giving me more ammunition to point out to the fact that the football part of the product isn't the centre of it all. It's akin to some other form of entertainment.

You didn't understand my view on ticket prices at all, so we should leave that one as well.

What else didn't I take into account? That the season ticket includes 7 cup games? Do they include away games? Don't other clubs offer cup games in the package as well? Did you check it before posting?
I had a quick look and Manchester United's season ticket allocates tickets for European Cup, FA Cup and League Cup (Arsenal doesn't include League Cup in the package).

I looked at the Man United one and it says you are allocated seats for certain cup games which you are required to buy. Which to me suggests that you have to buy extra tickets on top of what you are paying for your season ticket, you have no choice in the matter. I don't think it means you get the cup games in with your season ticket price? Be good if someone can clear that up? So I did check it before I posted, it was the only one I did check mind, I would be interested to see what the others offer and compare them all properly

Anyway, I'm sure we have better stuff to do other than pick out stuff from each other's posts looking for flaws. This could go on forever.

I agree, but I don't have to pick too far to point out things that are wrong with what you posted

We agree on many other things but not so many lately, because my patience is running out with what I see from Arsenal.

We both wanna see Arsenal succeed, and I'm sure we both want it to happen under Arsene Wenger. But it pisses me off that Wenger (who may have some faults of his own, but still deserves all respect from Arsenal fans) could become the fall guy due to deeper underlying problems that affect how the club is run.

That is true, I think we have some of the same views, just again I disagree with how you put views across.

 

[YoungGun_UK]

You have to buy the United Cup games like Bobby said when it comes to the season ticket.

 

[Rantboy]

The last one about the Scouts sending Toure on his way, was a little bit to put in just to try and prove your point that our Scouts are shit.....it didn't work, there is a few points like this that I have pointed out, so I really don't think I am paranoid, I have highlighted many areas where you have done it, maybe you are not doing it on purpose, but subconsciously. Either way, I just don't agree with the way you present information.

Suggests, or shows, doesn't matter what one you want to use they still do not do either? It's just one former board member/Shareholder with her view. Has nothing to do with the others.

Are you talking about David Dein? I'm pretty sure you are and it is hilarious that you bring it up, because he doesn't have a vested interest in the current board being made to look shit etc, does he?

David Dein indeed. I think I made clear in my post that I'm aware of his political motivations, so I don't know what you find so funny about it.
Regardless of the side he is in, his opinion counts because he has important history with Arsenal, he is/was friends with Wenger and they worked really well together to great effect during those golden years.

I read that book called 'Arsène - The making of a modern super club' that tells how he was kicked from the board overnight. I don't remember the reasons though. But I think, for what he helped achieve, his opinions still are very relevant.

The only things I disagree about Dein was him wanting to move the club to Wembley and his son's suspect activity.
But overall he always acted in the best interests of Arsenal and the fact that Nina now seems to favour his side means a lot.

They have said that it is going to get much better (Financially wise) over the next couple of seasons. We are finally now going to be able to get the real benefits from the stadium and the sacrifices we made because of it. The last board went away in the middle of our shittest period for a long while and it takes a while to get things going.

They always say that, don't they? This is all we hear every season. "Financially wise" is a term that could make Silent Stan smile. But when are they gonna turn it into a better football squad? Our team seems to be getting weaker.
I know that the transition to the new stadium was a difficult period, but things should be stabilizing now. If I'm not mistaken the development of flats in Highbury is nearly sold out. We should be a little bit better off than in 2006/07 for instance.
But no, our team is weaker now instead. And you seem to be dodging this point.
I'm still waiting for things to get better!

But you said yourself we are breaking even with buying and selling players, so why would they be happy that they got 15million for Song, they weren't pocketing that money? I thought your thing was that they are only spending the money they are receiving from player sales and they should invest the other revenue that they are making?

Last transfer window started out really well. We spent on Giroud, Podolski and Cazorla. But with the sales of Van Persie and Song in August we went to break even if not profit again.
They may not have pocketed the profit from Song, but they recouped money spent before, didn't they? In the end it turned out to be reinvestment, not investment.
Every time Gazidis says to the press Wenger has money to spend it does my head in. Something doesn't add up there, because we are witnessing mostly reinvestment.

But you are right we could go around in circles with this like everything else.



You didn't understand my view on ticket prices at all, so we should leave that one as well.

As for ticket prices, I'll give up as well. I didn't understand where exactly you stand in regards to ticket pricing. I don't know what your problem is with my views on that subject.
If you had a problem with the way I presented it, then there's nothing I can do either. I presented reliable data. Interpret it as you want.

I looked at the Man United one and it says you are allocated seats for certain cup games which you are required to buy. Which to me suggests that you have to buy extra tickets on top of what you are paying for your season ticket, you have no choice in the matter. I don't think it means you get the cup games in with your season ticket price? Be good if someone can clear that up? So I did check it before I posted, it was the only one I did check mind, I would be interested to see what the others offer and compare them all properly

I saw this about Man United too. It's a bit confusing because they say the tickets are allocated and you're required to buy them. But then again they show the pricing that includes a full season (I'm under the impression these extra games are included and you could opt out of them).
Anyways, if any of the fellas from the Man United thread have a season ticket maybe they could clear this up.

I agree, but I don't have to pick too far to point out things that are wrong with what you posted

No you don't have to. Apart from the Yaya Toure story, all you had to do was cling on to technicalities, differences between 4 or 5 players (what a big difference!) and change the meaning of some things I say (I still maintain there's a difference between "suggests" and "shows").
Yeah, you don't have to go too far

That is true, I think we have some of the same views, just again I disagree with how you put views across.

EDIT: Thanks Young Gun. So you have to pay the cup value on top of that price? For all cups or only League cup?

 

[bebo]

Dein said Arsenal moving to Emirates will delay in trophies! but to move into Wembley we can fight for honours n such . I guess he wasn`t aware of Sheiks n Glazers coming in .

Emirates made the board rich n more self sustaining. Dien was right too ,but nothing is guarantee .

 

[YoungGun_UK]

FA Cup and League Cup, You can't opt out either.

 

[BobbyBox]

Imagine if we lose tonight?! Please god let us win.....please please please please please

 

[Damjan]

Leading and playing well- finally!

 

[BobbyBox]

Playing the bottom team, so can't get too excited (And there is still a half to go) but seeing Arsenal zip the ball around, with 1-2's and looking dangerous and scoring goals is such a nice feeling, it feels like an age since we played this well.

Still a couple of chances for Reading that better teams could have put away, but this is the performance so far that we all deserve.

Why couldn't we play like this against Bradford though?!

 

[Damjan]

Cazorla hattrick!

Playing well, but Reading are really really poor. This looks more like a training match than a competetive Premier League match.

 

[Damjan]

What a stupid goal to concede, so uneccessary.

 

[Damjan]

Are you serious defence?

 

[BobbyBox]

Disappointing goals to concede, but a great performance overall, exactly the performance we needed after the last couple of weeks.

It will mean absolutely nothing if we lose the next though and i still have no confidence what Arsenal will turn up each game.

But I will enjoy this for the time being.

 

[bebo]

Gibbs silly miss pass w/o a man on him ,and Pod just unlucky keeeping the play onside. I think defensively they were great! in marking n keeping the offside trap in tact.

SAaaNTI CAZOOOooorla!

 

[Rantboy]

Bear in mind that Reading is really in poor form. But still those were encouraging signs. We need to see a string of performances like this to hope for something this season. I'm not talking about 5 goal performances (although I'd welcome it any day) but at least attacking with purpose.

Theo got what he wanted, played central. He played alright, scored his goal and all, but I still think he looks out of place there. Doesn't have body strength to shield the ball and he cannot make the best use of his pace (except when their defence was high up the pitch and Cazorla put him through, where he still wasted his chance).

It's a shame about his contract situation. Commentators were saying he won't take the 80k a week on offer.

And once again, Arshavin wasn't even on the bench. He will probably be signing on a Bosman in January.

Future problems aside, let's enjoy a great win and a much better looking position in the table.

And Cazorla

 

[LFC Albania]

this this guy ts funny

 

[Rantboy]

Heh... It is funny, I'll give him that. As a footballer he is a pretty good comedian.
What a prick though. I don't even doubt it's him for real.
Balotelli must mean 'dickhead' in Italian.

 

[gerd]

If it's not a fake Balotelli...

 

[beachryan]

It's not him, no way would City let that fly at the moment.

The best fake account is Eboue's. It's amazing.

 

[BobbyBox]

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/five-young-internationals-sign-new-contracts

Good to see

 

[lazyForken]

jekenson is not from Finland? what happen here o.O

 

[Rantboy]

All those guys are British. Interesting.
Jenkinson is half Finish half English but he opted to play for England.

There's one we're still waiting on though. Come on Theo, sign da ting!

 

[BobbyBox]

They are all British, Jenkinson was born in England as well as far as I know? So he is English/British.

 

[cfdh_edmundo]

Think his mum is Finnish and he played as captain for their underage sides.

 

[bebo]

That 5 signing is so political !!! I`m not moved not even a lil` bit. We need reinforcement asap , spend , spend ,spend ! ALll I want for Christmas is my Arsenal back!

 

[AK.Rabona]

 

[BobbyBox]

That 5 signing is so political !!! I`m not moved not even a lil` bit. We need reinforcement asap , spend , spend ,spend ! ALll I want for Christmas is my Arsenal back!

I think it is great news, the future of Arsenal....hopefully.

But yes a few signings would be super duper!