Arsenal Thread

Well it does them no favors tbh with them talking to the public Dani only talks because what else can he say about the tourney in La Copa. I enjoy it really ...
 
If arsenal receive the right offer i think we should let him go!!I realy dont like to admit it...

IMO Hazard would be perfect replacement and would increse our possibility to sign his brother Thorgan!
I am tired of this saga.

If Barcelona would't fuck around the media and use their players, and just give the money the deal would be done year ago.
Arsenal should turn to FIFA(or whatever where) and demand them to shut Bracelona's player on this deal.I think all this thing only show how much Barcelona want Fabregas(I mean they dont even realy want him or need him)

Its funny about Dani Alves comment!!
If Arsenal is tourist class and Barcelona business class how comes that Barcelona cant afford player form tourist class hmmm....and why do they want a tourist-class-payer.
And i dont even think that barcelona is business class if the handle their deal like this!
They rather belong to luggage space and no where near business class.:FAIL:

If they would like to be business class the should look at arsenal how business should be run not like u with millions of depth.

Arsenal is depth free haa......
In your face Barcelona and Dani.....
 
It's respectless, but compared to Barcelona most clubs are tourist class, look how they humiliated Man Utd in the CL final. In short: Dani Alves is a big cunt, but what he says is kind of true...

Arsenal are linked with both Benzema and Lavezzi (Guardian website).
 
gerd said:
It's respectless, but compared to Barcelona most clubs are tourist class, look how they humiliated Man Utd in the CL final. In short: Dani Alves is a big cunt, but what he says is kind of true...

Arsenal are linked with both Benzema and Lavezzi (Guardian website).
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It's true in a way, in the fact that Barcelona are better than us, but tourist class?. Lots of things are true and you don't say them because it is not nice and disrespectful.

If I see a big fat person walking down the street, I don't go up to them and say 'hah look at me I'm of average weight, you are a big and fat'

There is a huge arrogance there and they don't seem to remember last season, when Arsenal dug their heals in because Barcelona and it's players were disrespectful to Arsenal and kept speaking out. So they are shooting themselves in the feet again.

Unless they don't really want him this season and know that Fab will get so upset by next season he will hand in a transfer request and they will get him for much less money?
 
No gerd it is not ture. Arsenal are a top club with a huge history and at some points ,like 7 years ago, they were better than Barcelona and even recently gave Barcelona the toughest games. Just cause Alves is lucky to be part of this era in Barcelona's history doesn't mean he has to rub it in. This whole attacking Arsenal is going way too far. Either pay up if you want the player badly or shut up. Arsenal are not forced to sell.

Another thing, why did Fabregas accept the captain armband if he had his mind on leaving? Confusing.
 
It's just another example of how up-their-own-arses most Barcelona players and fans are. I just wish they'd act with a bit more humility. Yes, you've (incredibly expensively) put together the best team in the world, good work. In 3 years time that won't be the case, and 3 years ago it wasn't the case. So enjoy it but keep in mind that it's just a phase, so get off your f*cking horse.

Ahem.

I'm glad it looks like you're going to keep Nasri. Little fella should damn well play out his contract and if you can afford to let him go for free next year, then great. Footballers these days suck.
 
I haven't seen this supposedly Alves attacks anywhere. I have only read an interview in which he compares his situation at Sevilla when he wanted to go out and he had to remain 1 year against his will until the transfer to Barcelona was made. He says he felt like being in tourist class when he wanted to go in business. And then he compares his situation trapped at Sevilla for 1 year with the current situation of Cesc in Arsenal right now. Seen this way, I don't think it's disrespectful at all. But the media will try to twist things all the time, and seems they succeed often. And there's a trend in England right now of quickly demonizing and criticizing anything Barça, the same way there's a trend praising the club to the infinite. Both trends are ridiculous in my oppinion, but I think that's the price of success.

Much of the time people is overreacting to anything "barça" and demonizing the club for whatever reason. Many times some Barcelona player or representative will open his mouth too much, and I've always been critical with that. Not only me, but a lot of barcelona fans don't like this at all.

But really, most of the time you're being a bit hipocrites. You can criticise Barcelona all the time for paying less than expected for a player that wants to get out, while at the same time Arsenal is the only club that year in year out takes benefit of a legal hole to steal youth players for free. I mean, no other club does that, only Arsenal. Isn't that something at least as "dirty" as what Barcelona is doing with Cesc?

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Yes, you've (incredibly expensively) put together the best team in the world, good work.
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You're a bit off here. In fact, if you see the numbers of players sold and bought, Barcelona isn't even in the top 5 of clubs that spent most in the last 3 years. The key of success has been precisely not spending that much on foreign players and using players from the youth team.

And by the way, talking that way and generically about Barcelona fanns IS quite disrespective.
 
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I hope everyone understand its all business these days. Its not like the old days now. I've been ranting quite a bit before but I finally got to finally force it in my head that its different now. I still don't like nor accept it, but oh well. It's a dirty game now, and everyone does it. Fans will obviously always be emotional and biased about their club and loved players, very natural.

Players always looking for a better club, and by better its either prestige or paycheck.
 
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I haven't seen this supposedly Alves attacks anywhere. I have only read an interview in which he compares his situation at Sevilla when he wanted to go out and he had to remain 1 year against his will until the transfer to Barcelona was made. He says he felt like being in tourist class when he wanted to go in business. And then he compares his situation trapped at Sevilla for 1 year with the current situation of Cesc in Arsenal right now. Seen this way, I don't think it's disrespectful at all. But the media will try to twist things all the time, and seems they succeed often. And there's a trend in England right now of quickly demonizing and criticizing anything Barça, the same way there's a trend praising the club to the infinite. Both trends are ridiculous in my oppinion, but I think that's the price of success.

Much of the time people is overreacting to anything "barça" and demonizing the club for whatever reason. Many times some Barcelona player or representative will open his mouth too much, and I've always been critical with that. Not only me, but a lot of barcelona fans don't like this at all.

But really, most of the time you're being a bit hipocrites. You can criticise Barcelona all the time for paying less than expected for a player that wants to get out, while at the same time Arsenal is the only club that year in year out takes benefit of a legal hole to steal youth players for free. I mean, no other club does that, only Arsenal. Isn't that something at least as "dirty" as what Barcelona is doing with Cesc?


You're a bit off here. In fact, if you see the numbers of players sold and bought, Barcelona isn't even in the top 5 of clubs that spent most in the last 3 years. The key of success has been precisely not spending that much on foreign players and using players from the youth team.

And by the way, talking that way and generically about Barcelona fanns IS quite disrespective.
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Fair enough on the Alves quotes, I didn't realise that - though should have known the press would twist it (at least one tabloid has been taken down this week in the UK..only a few more to go!). It was presented very much as him saying Arsenal were tourist Barca business etc. So if he didn't say that then fine, I somewhat take it back.

You're one of the better or more balanced Barca fans on here, but it's not hard to find the other end of the spectrum. So yes, I don't label everyone with the same brush, just saying there is a very holier than thou tone which comes from Barca, in general.

As for the expenses - I can't believe Barca aren't in the top 5 biggest spenders in recent years. With Ibra, Macherano, Alves, Villa, Krycygny (can't remember) etc that's more money than most teams can have spent. It surely must be Madrid/ City/ Chelsea ...? I accept that alot of the first team in the current first XI are from the youth setup, but that's not the whole truth. I'd be interested to see.

What is abundantly clear is that they've spent more than they've brought in - hence the issues...
 
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I haven't seen this supposedly Alves attacks anywhere. I have only read an interview in which he compares his situation at Sevilla when he wanted to go out and he had to remain 1 year against his will until the transfer to Barcelona was made. He says he felt like being in tourist class when he wanted to go in business. And then he compares his situation trapped at Sevilla for 1 year with the current situation of Cesc in Arsenal right now. Seen this way, I don't think it's disrespectful at all. But the media will try to twist things all the time, and seems they succeed often. And there's a trend in England right now of quickly demonizing and criticizing anything Barça, the same way there's a trend praising the club to the infinite. Both trends are ridiculous in my oppinion, but I think that's the price of success.

Much of the time people is overreacting to anything "barça" and demonizing the club for whatever reason. Many times some Barcelona player or representative will open his mouth too much, and I've always been critical with that. Not only me, but a lot of barcelona fans don't like this at all.

But really, most of the time you're being a bit hipocrites. You can criticise Barcelona all the time for paying less than expected for a player that wants to get out, while at the same time Arsenal is the only club that year in year out takes benefit of a legal hole to steal youth players for free. I mean, no other club does that, only Arsenal. Isn't that something at least as "dirty" as what Barcelona is doing with Cesc?


You're a bit off here. In fact, if you see the numbers of players sold and bought, Barcelona isn't even in the top 5 of clubs that spent most in the last 3 years. The key of success has been precisely not spending that much on foreign players and using players from the youth team.

And by the way, talking that way and generically about Barcelona fanns IS quite disrespective.
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The qoute isn't as bad but it still implies Arsenal are Tourist class and he shouldn't be talking about the situation at all?! It is still ridiculous.

I know you are a Barca fan and you stick up for them, but Barca are being dicks.

You also keep going on about the price Barcelona want to pay for Fab, it isn't about that, it is about what the way they talk about Arsenal and Fabregas and expect to get everything they want. It's not hypocritical to hate the way Barca act.

I also doubt we are the only team that takes advantage of the employment law in Spain aswell like you suggest?

Also to think most of your team is from the youth and that is how a successful club is run, I seem to remember some quite ridiculous sums of money being spent by Barca. Why are you in trouble financially (or have hardly any money to spend), if you have mainly youth players in your team? you must be doing something badley wrong in other places?
 
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You're one of the better or more balanced Barca fans on here, but it's not hard to find the other end of the spectrum. So yes, I don't label everyone with the same brush, just saying there is a very holier than thou tone which comes from Barca, in general...
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In general...that is what is wrong with your post. You don't realize it, but you act the same way as Dani Alves.

In fact where you write "Barca" you can put almost every big succesfull club in the world. There are countless fans that act as if the success of their club is their personal success...if you think about it, this is sad for these people.
On this forum i know only one person who acts like this, and this person is either very young or else not the brightest one.

To all Arsenal fans: stop reading (or believing) most papers, (English and Spanish), because a certain press is only interested in scandal, havoc and other negative things (like hacking phones...).

Oh and regardless if this true or not, Dani Alves IS a cunt.
 
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In general...that is what is wrong with your post. You don't realize it, but you act the same way as Dani Alves.

In fact where you write "Barca" you can put almost every big succesfull club in the world. There are countless fans that act as if the success of their club is their personal success...if you think about it, this is sad for these people.
On this forum i know only one person who acts like this, and this person is either very young or else not the brightest one.

To all Arsenal fans: stop reading (or believing) most papers, (English and Spanish), because a certain press is only interested in scandal, havoc and other negative things (like hacking phones...).

Oh and regardless if this true or not, Dani Alves IS a cunt.
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Well, I'll put it this way: I've never seen as well orchestrated and public a campaign as the one Barca's own players are putting on with regards to Cesc. I'm reasonably sure that more than half of the first team have at some point or another made a very public quote about how he should move. They've done this for the media, to put pressure on Arsenal.

If Barca wanted to, they could say look guys, you've gotta stop doing that, it's disrespectful. We'll try to get him, but you can't behave that way. They haven't done that, if anything there seems to be a rota in the changing room next to the training list. Oh this week Pique, you're doing extra upper body work, oh and you ahve to a make Cesc quote. Dani, when you're done those wind sprints, you've got Cesc duty next week. ;)

But yes, Dani Alves is detestable. Pity he's so damn good!
 
Well you can talk about how Barca havent spent that much on transfers in the last five years, but as others have pointed out, €69.8M for Ibrahimovic, Maxwell €5M, Villa €40M, £22M (pounds), Keita €14M, Adriano €13.5M, Pique £5M pounds, Chygryskiy €25M. The total EURO spend is over €165M, convert that to pounds, (divide by 1.1) it's about £150M, then add on Pique and Mascherano (transfers were in £ pounds) and you have in excess of £178M (pounds). I would guess Man City and Chelsea have spent smore than this in the last three years and Real Madrid are probably around this figure, maybe Spurs are just below it too, but most other Champions League clubs (and every other Spanish club) will have spent probably less than half that figure.

I wonder if you summed up all the Bundesliga transfers for all teams that qualified for Europe in that time, I think it would be less than that figure.

To be honest your statement that, "key of success has been precisely not spending that much on foreign players and using players from the youth team" is a half truth. Yes the youth players have been key players, but as you can see Barca has spent big money on foreign players as well. Guardiola has fashioned a team of youth players who play good football, but some of his signings have been shockingly bad. It's a fact that's ignored by fans and the english broadsheet media (who lionise him), but I think it would be a massive consideration for a chairman who might be interested in appointing him in the future.
 
Well, we all agree and it's official: Dani Alves IS a big cunt! And add Busquets to the bag, too, by the way!

And we agree also that some barcelona players and some attittudes of the club towards Arsenal have been very wrong. I DO agree on that!

And some Barcelona fans are pathetic. Yes, we agree! I haven't found any club whose fans were all great people I would like to go to the pub with. A big % of people is idiot, no matter the club they support. If you get success, it¡s likely that your fanbase gets wider, so arithmetically your number of idiots grow.

About Arsenal being the main club stealing our young players with money the club can't offer... it's just like that. And we should agree on this too being a very dirty way of stealing youth players. It's business, I understand it, and it's the way Arsenal can grab great players. Good for them, but don't criticize only one end of the spectrum please!

Abou transfers and success, maybe my quote wasn't ellaborate enough:
If you take what NET figures of transfers, we're not in the top 5. We've sold many players this years, and a LOT of youth players from the B teams (sum them up and you have more than 30 M€ in the last 4 years).

We didn't pay 69M€ for Ibra, that's just not true. If you're interested read this:
We spent exactly 40 M€ and Etoo. But Etoo value for Barcelona was almost 0. He had only 1 year of contract and he was asking 15M€ of his transfer to accept any move, so actually it had a value of 5M€ for Barcelona, strange as it sounds. Barcelona valued him officially in 20 M€ (that actually were 15M€ to Etoo and 5M€ to Barcelona). So it was Inter who allegedly "payed" those 15 M€ with a "piece" of Ibra. But Barcelona payed exactly 40 M€ (because the other 5 were taken from the Maxwell operation as a debt of Inter to lower the price). Price REALLY payed by Barcelona for Ibra: 40 M€. Sold for 28 to Milan one year later.

You see, it's complicated to get the NET figures but at the end, Barcelona has spent (discounting the sells) with Pep an average of around 40 M€ per season (not counting this summer). That's not a lot for a big club in current times compared to the big splashers.

That said, there's an abysmal difference between what Barcelona spends and 90% of the clubs, but it's only a PART of the reason of our success.

But as I said, the MAIN reason it's still that we use youth playersin the first team. Having the luck of having Iniesta, Messi, Busquets, Pedro Fontas, Thiago for free is what allowed us to spend 40 M€ for Villa. If we had to sign more players, Barcelona couldn't have signed Villa. We were spending a lot more 10 years ago and we didn't win a single trophy for 5 years! So the money is not the only or main reason. Never!

The big debt of Barcelona it's an inherited debt. 75% of which is from Gaspart era (black period of the club) and 25% of the Laporta era. In the last seasons, the club is reducing the debt, so is earning more than it spends. Not many clubs can say this right now... Probably Arsenal!
 
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In the last seasons, the club is reducing the debt, so is earning more than it spends. Not many clubs can say this right now... Probably Arsenal!
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And that is the reason why Wengers is criticized by the fans...so those Arsenal fans criticize Barcelona for what they want Wenger to do...

To be honest, i think these are luxury problems. In my country clubs dream about Arsenal's budget (and a club like Anderlecht used to be a bigger name in Europe than Arsenal). To put things in perspective: i remember that the total salary mass of Anderlecht was less than what Celtic payed for Larsson (and Celtic is a litle club compared to Arsenal...which is a litle club compared to Barcelona...just face it).
 
We`ve sold players before to Barca PETIT, OVERMARS,VAN BRONKHORST, HENRY, HLEB, at the time Barca had their Financial problems . They had problems paying Arsenal and other clubs. Arsenal did not go to court like other clubs did we offer to bring in Cesc as payments. Remember stealing is what Barcelona FC call it but little does Barca FC forget.

I find it very interesting how clubs take their stances. Arsenal are not loud in their business(even in transfers we the fans know nothing) ,because we are not saints so discretion is "KEY" in business. Barca`s president n players exposes what should be private.
 
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United always try to get their dealings done without telling anyone. I remember when we got Anderson and Nani - was just like...who? When did that happen?

(notable exception being the last day of the Berbatov saga)
 
drekkard said:
But really, most of the time you're being a bit hipocrites. You can criticise Barcelona all the time for paying less than expected for a player that wants to get out, while at the same time Arsenal is the only club that year in year out takes benefit of a legal hole to steal youth players for free. I mean, no other club does that, only Arsenal. Isn't that something at least as "dirty" as what Barcelona is doing with Cesc?
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The word "steal" is very harsh in this case, don't you think? Arsenal didn't steal Cesc. It's not as if he was kidnapped, please spare us of such bollocks. His family and representatives knew what they were doing when they signed the contract and knew the consequences and they made a choice. Arsenal simply offered the 16-year-old a professional contract and very good wages for the player, when at Barca he wouldn't have none at that age. Trust me, Arsenal isn't the only club exploiting legal holes.
Talk about hipocrites: tell me how exactly you got Messi? And how old was he? Do you feel bad "stealing" Lionel like you did, from his home country?
 
it appear that city have reach an agreement with Arsenal over Nasri in a 22million pound deal worth 100k a week...loll when this transfer saga will stop?
 
lazyForken said:
it appear that city have reach an agreement with Arsenal over Nasri in a 22million pound deal worth 100k a week...loll when this transfer saga will stop?
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Source? Would be an odd decision by Nasri. He can't really co-exist with Silva, who is ridiculously similar. Especially with Mancini seemingly unwilling to ditch the 3 'bigger' midfielders.
 
Happy to see the Arsenal Supporters Trust demanding UEFA explain how City's £400m deal is 'market value'.

Good that someone is standing up for it. Sooo shady it's unreal.

Not that UEFA/ FIFA/ FA will ever do ANYTHING to prevent cold hard cash coming into their respective areas of influence.
 
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Not that UEFA/ FIFA/ FA will ever do ANYTHING to prevent cold hard cash coming into their respective areas of influence.
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Please don't think that i have anything against you, that is not the case.

But (yes of course there is a "but")...

you have doubles measures.

Financial fair play is not only about Man City and Chelsea. Financial fair play is about all the EPL clubs compared to all the other European clubs.
Financial fair play does not mean that only Man City and Chelsea should watch their steps, but all European clubs should.
Look at the way the CL television money is divided. The money goed to the clubs who don't need it: the clubs from competitions that already have huge amounts of television money get the biggest part of the CL television money.

Fans of big clubs only react when new "big" clubs like Man City and Chelsea emerge...they are not the only problems...all big clubs are problematic concerning financial fair-play. I think it is just a litle bit easy to target only Man City and Chelsea. All the EPL clubs should spend far less money...but of course this utopic. As long as this utopic i support all new clubs like City, Chelsea, Hoffenheim e.a.
 
Well, the whole principle of FFP is to prevent clubs living outside of their means. The idea is that it prevents a Leeds type breakdown.

And if ADUG decide that perhaps dumbing £1bn into a large City shaped hole isn't worthwhile, that club will fold under. It's that simple. The issue with having your shirt, stadium, grounds sponsor all being the same and also being the half brother of your owner is that you've got all your eggs in one basket. A very rich basket, but still one.

Personally I hate the way football is run. I'd love a salary cap at c. £20k a month, a draft system where young players go to the poorest performing clubs and television payouts that reward the smaller clubs rather than the big ones. I.e. make football unpredictable again.

That won't ever happen though. I'm a fan of a big club, but that doesn't mean I like the system.
 
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Etihad City ! We buy what we want!
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Maybe, but Arsenal (for example) is Etihad City compared to Franch, Portugese, Belgian, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, all South-American clubs and so many more...

Manchester City only disturbs you because they threaten Arsenal...if the sheik would have put his money in Arsenal (and that is just an example) it would not disturb you the least. I know this is a rant but, i hate the way Man City and Chelsea are singled out. From the point of view of all those other clubs in the countries i mentioned, there is no difference between the nouveaux riches Man City and Chelsea and all other English clubs.


Rant over and sorry...i quite like Arsenal but those comments are simply not fair.
 
I have no clue what Ur on about...I state that mancity will change the club's name soon . I was never bother by mutd ,chels spending and city won't effect me neither . Hell ! Spuds spend more than Arsenal every year. You mention other countries mean nothing to me really what unless Im running for noble peace prize. Arsenal is a massive club that spends by their means who generate very well. If Wenger doesn't gripe about it neither will I ...if you got the cash spend it I say.
 
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Maybe, but Arsenal (for example) is Etihad City compared to Franch, Portugese, Belgian, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, all South-American clubs and so many more...

Manchester City only disturbs you because they threaten Arsenal...if the sheik would have put his money in Arsenal (and that is just an example) it would not disturb you the least. I know this is a rant but, i hate the way Man City and Chelsea are singled out. From the point of view of all those other clubs in the countries i mentioned, there is no difference between the nouveaux riches Man City and Chelsea and all other English clubs.


Rant over and sorry...i quite like Arsenal but those comments are simply not fair.
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I think I know where you're going with this. You must be talking about the relations between a big club as Arsenal and smaller clubs as Beveren, for instance, being feeder clubs and not being able to compete financially with Arsenal. This is one thing and, yes, this part of the ugly business of football. And of capitalism itself, why not. Parallels with companies can be drawn.

But the reason why Chelsea and City are being singled out (and must be) is that they spend beyond their means. Their net funds end up in red year in, year out. They're not run like a company, with needs to generate revenue to survive. Instead, they operate on loss. Therefore, they play by different rules, they're like in another league, another world, not the real one. Like Wenger calls financial doping.

The FFP policies should look into the whole, of course, such as equal distribution among clubs from different leagues. But the free spending billionaire owned clubs should be the priority on their agenda IMO.
 
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But the reason why Chelsea and City are being singled out (and must be) is that they spend beyond their means.
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According to Deloitte (with one or two exceptions) all EPL clubs spend beyond their means. So i don't see any reason why those two clubs are singled out. And i will go even farther. If the traditional big clubs (the G14 or whatever they are called now, because the club gets bigger year in year out) hadn't done everything to divide the money between them, clubs like Chelsea or Man City wouldn't need a sugar daddy.
They are the best examples that fair competition is not possible. If you want to be competitive you can't play the game in a fair way. Clubs who do and who are competitive (like Porto) loose all their good players.

And to be honest, most fans don't care about the aspect of financial fair-play, they don't like clubs like Chelsea, City, Offenheim and Wolfsburg because they threaten the hierarchy. The best example to prove my point was Lazio's in the nineties. They also had a rich sugar daddy, but nobody cared because they were a traditional (more or less) big club. I don't like those sugar daddies, but the only way we will ever have a true fair competition would be that all clubs in Europe would find a rich sugar daddy (which utopic of course).

I'm pretty sure that in 10 or 15 years the Russian clubs will be the biggest clubs and the Russian competition will be the biggest in the world. You will see that much English fans who don't see any problem now, will complain then.
 
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