Arsenal Thread

As someone else mentioned on this thread, Barca have a reputation for not paying all the fee in one go, but instead spreading it over a number of seasons... or doing a player exchange.

Even if Arsenal were to accept the 30M offer, they might only see 15M this summer, which wouldnt be enough to get a replacement for Fabregas. On the other hand if they sold him to City or possibly Real Madrid, they would be likely to see most of the money this summer and so would be able to buy a replacement. Some might say Arsenal should just buy his replacement on credit/installments (i.e. the Barcelona way) but Arsenal tend to be very finanically prudent and they also mightn't get the same credit deals (i.e. low interest loans) that the two Spanish clubs get.

In terms of player exchanges I can't think of a Barca player Barca (who they would be willing to part with) appropriate for Arsenal. If they were giving Eto'o away again then Arsenal could do an exchange.

I don't see how Barca can expect to pay much less than what Arsenal demand. Arsenal are selling the product (Fabregas), it's a unique produce and they don't have a necessity to sell, so they can set the price. If Fabregas really wants to leave, he can put in a transfer request. This will have two immediate implications: 1) Arsenal can actively sell him and encourage clubs like City or Real Madrid to pay a higher market price. If Arsenal accept an offer after a transfer request, and Fabregas declines the offering club then he will find it very hard to extracate himself from his Arsenal contract before it expires - he will not be able to "do a Pandev". 2) Fabreagas will annul a lot of his loyalty payments if he leaves after a transfer request, as he will have legally initiated the transfer, he will either have to accept a loss on this income or Barca will have to pay him the difference, ramping up the total cost of the deal.
 
Lami said:
That would be pointless, imo.
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How? arsenal get 50m cash in hand and can buy any player out their that is as good as fabregas.

cfdh_edmundo said:
As someone else mentioned on this thread, Barca have a reputation for not paying all the fee in one go, but instead spreading it over a number of seasons... or doing a player exchange.

Even if Arsenal were to accept the 30M offer, they might only see 15M this summer, which wouldnt be enough to get a replacement for Fabregas. On the other hand if they sold him to City or possibly Real Madrid, they would be likely to see most of the money this summer and so would be able to buy a replacement. Some might say Arsenal should just buy his replacement on credit/installments (i.e. the Barcelona way) but Arsenal tend to be very finanically prudent and they also mightn't get the same credit deals (i.e. low interest loans) that the two Spanish clubs get.

In terms of player exchanges I can't think of a Barca player Barca (who they would be willing to part with) appropriate for Arsenal. If they were giving Eto'o away again then Arsenal could do an exchange.

I don't see how Barca can expect to pay much less than what Arsenal demand. Arsenal are selling the product (Fabregas), it's a unique produce and they don't have a necessity to sell, so they can set the price. If Fabregas really wants to leave, he can put in a transfer request. This will have two immediate implications: 1) Arsenal can actively sell him and encourage clubs like City or Real Madrid to pay a higher market price. If Arsenal accept an offer after a transfer request, and Fabregas declines the offering club then he will find it very hard to extracate himself from his Arsenal contract before it expires - he will not be able to "do a Pandev". 2) Fabreagas will annul a lot of his loyalty payments if he leaves after a transfer request, as he will have legally initiated the transfer, he will either have to accept a loss on this income or Barca will have to pay him the difference, ramping up the total cost of the deal.
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Hit on the motherfucking nail.

Like i said last season, pay us 40+m for fabregas or fuck off.

I think Barcelona still owes us money from Henry and Hleb so they can truly go and fuck right off with 30m offer spread over a 10 year installments. idiots
 
you can make your point without resorting to insults, jonney.

Besides, I think you completely ignore one thing: the player himself. I'm not saying I know exactly how he feels, but if hte will of Cesc was to play at barcelona, and barcelona did an acceptable offer (30 M€+ installments/player to me is a perfectly good offer) I don't see why Arsenal should refuse it. I mean, Cesc arrived at zero cost and has been very productive all this years and has been very loyal to the club and a good captain. He's been promised a competitive team for the last 3 years. A promise that hasn't been accomplished fully. If Arsenal doesn't take this into account in a hypothetical selling situation, then what message is Arsenal delivering to their loyal players? Be loyal to me and I will try to squeeze any pen from you ignoring your wishes and dedication?

I mean, of course Arsenal has the right to earn as much money as they can, I don't want to imply the should let him go for peanuts. But given a decent offer (and 35 M€+player to me is a very good offer), the player decision should be taken into account. If barcelona offered below 25 M€, then I could understand Arsenal refusing any deal and feeling cheated. But if the player has decided he wants to go (guessing it, I don't know it for certain), I think the club should accept a barcelona offer even if it's 10 M€ shorter than City's offer, to say something. Why? Because that way you show your appreciation to the players and the image of the club is (even if you don't think so) more important than money.

Last week, people were saying how disrespectful about Cesc was Barcelona offering less than 40 M€. But now I ask: how disrespectful is that Arsenal refuses to sell him even if the club will make a great profit just to earn 10 M€ more? Maybe both clubs are being disrespectful with Cesc to this point using that logic? In my oppinion, neither of both clubs is being disrespectful, that's simply negotiation and both clubs are using their strong points. Barcelona has the will of Cesc to go (supposedly, because if not we wouldn't be talking about it), Arsenal has the contract.
 
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you can make your point without resorting to insults, jonney.

Besides, I think you completely ignore one thing: the player himself. I'm not saying I know exactly how he feels, but if hte will of Cesc was to play at barcelona, and barcelona did an acceptable offer (30 M€+ installments/player to me is a perfectly good offer) I don't see why Arsenal should refuse it. I mean, Cesc arrived at zero cost and has been very productive all this years and has been very loyal to the club and a good captain. He's been promised a competitive team for the last 3 years. A promise that hasn't been accomplished fully. If Arsenal doesn't take this into account in a hypothetical selling situation, then what message is Arsenal delivering to their loyal players? Be loyal to me and I will try to squeeze any pen from you ignoring your wishes and dedication?

I mean, of course Arsenal has the right to earn as much money as they can, I don't want to imply the should let him go for peanuts. But given a decent offer (and 35 M€+player to me is a very good offer), the player decision should be taken into account. If barcelona offered below 25 M€, then I could understand Arsenal refusing any deal and feeling cheated. But if the player has decided he wants to go (guessing it, I don't know it for certain), I think the club should accept a barcelona offer even if it's 10 M€ shorter than City's offer, to say something. Why? Because that way you show your appreciation to the players and the image of the club is (even if you don't think so) more important than money.

Last week, people were saying how disrespectful about Cesc was Barcelona offering less than 40 M€. But now I ask: how disrespectful is that Arsenal refuses to sell him even if the club will make a great profit just to earn 10 M€ more? Maybe both clubs are being disrespectful with Cesc to this point using that logic? In my oppinion, neither of both clubs is being disrespectful, that's simply negotiation and both clubs are using their strong points. Barcelona has the will of Cesc to go (supposedly, because if not we wouldn't be talking about it), Arsenal has the contract.
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Im not unsulting anyone. when i say fuck off i mean to barcelona. not to u mate.

And again, what player can we buy for 30m that will automatically replace fabregas And again When is the last time barcelona have given most of the transfer fee to a team in cash?

Barcelona are STILL playing arsenal installments for Henry and Hleb if im not mistaken. Please read the otehrs post above my previous one instead of me copying and pasting his post again.

its a nail on the head. lets forget the amount barcelona price fabregas and lets focus on whether we will get most of that money cash in hand to spend it. if not. it doesnt matter if the values fee of fabregas is 20m or 100m. if we dont get MOST of that money in cash, how the fuck can we buy a direct replacement?

Out of the players below, who can we buy for 10-15m(if all barcelona does is give us half of 30m for fabregas)

Modric
Van Der Vaart
Pjanic
Pastore
Guarin
Aquilani
Ganso

I bet none of those players. so again, arsenal lose out. cant use the 30m to spend it directly on ANY of the players above. doing business with barcelona is rubbish.

Dealing with City and RM is far greater for arsenal as we will no doubt get most if not all the transfer cash for one of the above players.

So lets see. sell fabregas to city or RM and get 30m in cash or sell to barcelona and wait 10 years to recieve 30m in cash.

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you can make your point without resorting to insults, jonney.

Besides, I think you completely ignore one thing: the player himself. I'm not saying I know exactly how he feels, but if hte will of Cesc was to play at barcelona, and barcelona did an acceptable offer (30 M€+ installments/player to me is a perfectly good offer) I don't see why Arsenal should refuse it. I mean, Cesc arrived at zero cost and has been very productive all this years and has been very loyal to the club and a good captain. He's been promised a competitive team for the last 3 years. A promise that hasn't been accomplished fully. If Arsenal doesn't take this into account in a hypothetical selling situation, then what message is Arsenal delivering to their loyal players? Be loyal to me and I will try to squeeze any pen from you ignoring your wishes and dedication?

I mean, of course Arsenal has the right to earn as much money as they can, I don't want to imply the should let him go for peanuts. But given a decent offer (and 35 M€+player to me is a very good offer), the player decision should be taken into account. If barcelona offered below 25 M€, then I could understand Arsenal refusing any deal and feeling cheated. But if the player has decided he wants to go (guessing it, I don't know it for certain), I think the club should accept a barcelona offer even if it's 10 M€ shorter than City's offer, to say something. Why? Because that way you show your appreciation to the players and the image of the club is (even if you don't think so) more important than money.

Last week, people were saying how disrespectful about Cesc was Barcelona offering less than 40 M€. But now I ask: how disrespectful is that Arsenal refuses to sell him even if the club will make a great profit just to earn 10 M€ more? Maybe both clubs are being disrespectful with Cesc to this point using that logic? In my oppinion, neither of both clubs is being disrespectful, that's simply negotiation and both clubs are using their strong points. Barcelona has the will of Cesc to go (supposedly, because if not we wouldn't be talking about it), Arsenal has the contract.
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But who defines an acceptable offer ? Barcelona? Sandro Roussell? Fabregas ? - I think Arsenal can set the price as they are the selling club. The asking price of £40M is not extreme in the context of the vast sums Barca have frittered away over the last few summers. How much did they pay for Villa who, as a 28 year old striker, can only have had 4-5 seasons left at the very top level? How much did they pay in the Ibrahimovic / Maxwell saga (including sending Eto'o the other way)? Barca themselves have set the bar high in terms of market prices.

Arsenal are in a sellers market, and have several options. They can keep Fabreagas for the duration of his contract; they can sell him to a higher bidder; or they can wait for Barca to produce a better offer. It would be lunacy for them to accept a bid well below the market rate, setting a dangerous precident. What would then stop Barca saying "We want Van Persie" and offering £12M next summer.

Your comment about Fabregas's wishes isn't relevant to his price. Sentiment doesn't come into player's transfer values. Would Messi's transfer value be 20% less if Newells bidded for him? If Lyons or Lille bidded for Abidal would they get him on the cheap ? Should Iniesta be allowed to go cheaply to Albacete ?

If Arsenal are offered significantly more by another club, and also the payment is upfront then they should absolutely accept the higher bid. It will allow them to replace Fabregas with another world class player. If they get 10M less then they might have to gamble, they could sign a player like Grosskreutz or Hazard, but will these players become as good as Fabregas - maybe, but Arsenal would be taking a risk.

You say that Arsenal are disrespecting Fabregas by not letting him go for a bid below desired value. But equally well you could say that Barca are also disrespecting him by not upping their bid by £10M (offering supposedly less than last year). Are they not prepared to value him at his true worth ? In the end it is a financial battle between Arsenal and Barca. And to go back to my salient point Arsenal are selling in a sellers market so can set their price.
 
To be honest, the real problem in all of this is Cesc himself. If he really wanted to move to Barca around now, he simply should not of signed the previous contract.

Unfortunately, he'd then be allowed to leave on a free...so presumably you wouldn't be too happy with that either?
 
True I think Cesc wanted the money just like when he was 16yrs old he left for the money. He extended his contract for the money! Now, that he has enough money. He wants to go back ever heard the saying "Can`t have your cake and eat it too!"

These are the consequences of choices and he knows he has to live with it. I really think he thought he would of won thing w/ Arsenal by now and Wenger would of done what he did for Henry. I never seen a player of his status being groomed so much though since `05 like Cesc has or better yet under Arsene. I dont think Arsene will extend his contract and Cesc could part ways very soon if not by next month.

my Cecs moments :YouTube - Fabregas vs Juventus

YouTube - Fabregas amazing goal vs Tottenham

YouTube - Fabregas - AC Milan - Arsenal 0-2

YouTube - Thierry Henry and Cesc Fabregas
 
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you can make your point without resorting to insults, jonney.

Besides, I think you completely ignore one thing: the player himself. I'm not saying I know exactly how he feels, but if hte will of Cesc was to play at barcelona, and barcelona did an acceptable offer (30 M€+ installments/player to me is a perfectly good offer) I don't see why Arsenal should refuse it. I mean, Cesc arrived at zero cost and has been very productive all this years and has been very loyal to the club and a good captain. He's been promised a competitive team for the last 3 years. A promise that hasn't been accomplished fully. If Arsenal doesn't take this into account in a hypothetical selling situation, then what message is Arsenal delivering to their loyal players? Be loyal to me and I will try to squeeze any pen from you ignoring your wishes and dedication?

I mean, of course Arsenal has the right to earn as much money as they can, I don't want to imply the should let him go for peanuts. But given a decent offer (and 35 M€+player to me is a very good offer), the player decision should be taken into account. If barcelona offered below 25 M€, then I could understand Arsenal refusing any deal and feeling cheated. But if the player has decided he wants to go (guessing it, I don't know it for certain), I think the club should accept a barcelona offer even if it's 10 M€ shorter than City's offer, to say something. Why? Because that way you show your appreciation to the players and the image of the club is (even if you don't think so) more important than money.

Last week, people were saying how disrespectful about Cesc was Barcelona offering less than 40 M€. But now I ask: how disrespectful is that Arsenal refuses to sell him even if the club will make a great profit just to earn 10 M€ more? Maybe both clubs are being disrespectful with Cesc to this point using that logic? In my oppinion, neither of both clubs is being disrespectful, that's simply negotiation and both clubs are using their strong points. Barcelona has the will of Cesc to go (supposedly, because if not we wouldn't be talking about it), Arsenal has the contract.
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You keep saying that we are saying that the price Barcelona offering is disrespectful? (its cheeky, not disrespectful) but it isn't the price, I think most people accept that they want to get him cheaper and they have every right to offer that amount.

It's the way Barca go about things. Again if you think Barca aren't being disrespectful when they say Fab is doing all he can to be at their club? or Barca saying Fab is worth less than last year? these are both very disrespectful, forget about the price, the way Barca are acting is very bad in this situation (and we are talking about this situation).

He has a 4 year contract and if we sell him we are going to be worse off. If we only get 30mill euro and in instalments, then it just isn't worth it for us.

£35 million pounds and a player will be the minimum I would want and expect.

I'm fed up with Arsenal looking like the bad guys, Fab signed this long contract on very good money, he has to live with the consequenses of that and if Barca really want him, then cough up the money. Again if Fab didn't have the ties to Barca, then they would be willing to spend much more money than they are offering now.
 
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How? arsenal get 50m cash in hand and can buy any player out their that is as good as fabregas.
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I'm talking Cesc-wise though, not Arsenal. Cesc has been an Arsenal player for almost 8 years now, and he's not just any player. He's this close from becoming an Arsenal legend imo, even at a young age. He should either stay where he is and claim that title, or move to his beloved club, Barca. If after all this saga he goes to City, he'll have lost both, and gained (negatively) the "cha-ching!" status. And that is certainly no good.
 
I just admire Wenger, why doesnt he act and sign players is he realy so stupid look at Man Utd posibly soon they will confirm second signing.
If you take a look Man Utd is the Champions they were at the UEFA CL Final you should think they dont need to spend big money if you have been playong soo good previous season.But Arsenal...
should be very active in transfer market..
I was realy thinking that this time ,its different and Wenger will buy big ...
 
I think any other option than Arsenal or Barcelona is absolutely out of the question about Cesc. And I would have loved it if Barcelona had been a lot more classy with all this during all this time, as you know and I have stated many times. Many mistakes have been done in the process.

@Bobby: I didn't mean at all that Arsenal were the bad boys. They can't be the bad boys when they have the player! Probably it was my fault, my english sometimes lacks a lot of subtelty. What I meant is that the decision of the player is something that HAS an impact on the selling prize (like it or not) and Arsenal has to take this into account. And if, for example, at the end Cesc is going to be sold, it would be better to sell him to Barcelona instead of Man City if the difference in price was not big (up to 10 M€).

It's difficult to defend our chairman, especially when I hate him, but saying Cesc value is lower than last year it's bloody obvious to me. He's talking about his price in the market, not his value as a player. He has one year less of contract, he's been injured half the season and hasn't won anything. I mean, how on earth could his price raise considering this?

We can discuss if the loss in value should be noticeable or minimal, but it can't have the same price following market standards. Xavi price in the market is lower than Cesc, even if as a player he's better by now. It's market logic.

Another thing is the exact price he's worth. Here we can have endless debates. Someone will say 80M, others 35M, it's open to personal oppinions and nobody is totally right or wrong. At the end, if it's done, it will depend on the clubs.

About installments, it's a very common practice out of the Premiere League. There are lots of european clubs that owe money to Barcelona because of past transfers. Though I seriously doubt Barcelona still owe anything from Hleb and Henry, actually.
 
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Another thing is the exact price he's worth. Here we can have endless debates. Someone will say 80M, others 35M, it's open to personal oppinions and nobody is totally right or wrong.
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Diego Armando Maradona, transferred to Napoli for 6.9 million pounds. Henderson now costs 20 mil, fgs.

Yes that transfer is from the 80's, but I'm from the 80's, and I can't for the life of me comprehend this lunatic inflation.

This is my crazy opinion ;)
 
The things that im worried about is MAN U are getting stronge, Liverpool are getting stronger and making bids everywhere, and we are standing still with the same group of player that all want to leave and Wenger is doing nothing at the moment. Just let Cesc go and improve the freaking squad.
 
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I think any other option than Arsenal or Barcelona is absolutely out of the question about Cesc. And I would have loved it if Barcelona had been a lot more classy with all this during all this time, as you know and I have stated many times. Many mistakes have been done in the process.

@Bobby: I didn't mean at all that Arsenal were the bad boys. They can't be the bad boys when they have the player! Probably it was my fault, my english sometimes lacks a lot of subtelty. What I meant is that the decision of the player is something that HAS an impact on the selling prize (like it or not) and Arsenal has to take this into account. And if, for example, at the end Cesc is going to be sold, it would be better to sell him to Barcelona instead of Man City if the difference in price was not big (up to 10 M€).

It's difficult to defend our chairman, especially when I hate him, but saying Cesc value is lower than last year it's bloody obvious to me. He's talking about his price in the market, not his value as a player. He has one year less of contract, he's been injured half the season and hasn't won anything. I mean, how on earth could his price raise considering this?

We can discuss if the loss in value should be noticeable or minimal, but it can't have the same price following market standards. Xavi price in the market is lower than Cesc, even if as a player he's better by now. It's market logic.

Another thing is the exact price he's worth. Here we can have endless debates. Someone will say 80M, others 35M, it's open to personal oppinions and nobody is totally right or wrong. At the end, if it's done, it will depend on the clubs.

About installments, it's a very common practice out of the Premiere League. There are lots of european clubs that owe money to Barcelona because of past transfers. Though I seriously doubt Barcelona still owe anything from Hleb and Henry, actually.
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I didn't mean you was saying we were the bad guys, it is implied by others though. As we should let him go and stop being so mean to him, paying him millions of pounds.

I don't agree with the price thing. He is 24 and still has 4 years on his contract, these things alone mean in footballing terms his price should not be dropping at all (not much difference between 5 and 4 year contract, still big contracts). If the contract was say at 2 years and he was 28 say, then of course there will be a drop.

You are right about it being subjective though the whole thing.Nobody from either club is going to agree on the price of Cesc Fabregas.

There was an article quite a while ago that said that we are still owed money from Hleb and Henry deals, but that was a while ago. You may be all paid up now :DD It still took you bloody ages! ;))
 
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From all of the whisperings, it sounds like we are enquiring and going for players, especially in a defensive role. So I am not too worried about Wenger not spending money this summer.

The big things are Nasri and Fab and they need to be sorted out now, if they are not sold in the next 3 weeks or so, then we should just say they are staying and start to build our team for next season. fuck it if Nasri leaves for free aat the end of next season, we need stability and we need to get this all sorted asap.
 
I thought Nasri was excellent in the first half of last season, when he had more opportunities in a central role.

If Fabregas does leave this summer, moving Nasri into Fab's role and then investing the money on other areas of the squad seems like a wise thing to do.
 
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But who defines an acceptable offer ? Barcelona? Sandro Roussell? Fabregas ? - I think Arsenal can set the price as they are the selling club. The asking price of £40M is not extreme in the context of the vast sums Barca have frittered away over the last few summers. How much did they pay for Villa who, as a 28 year old striker, can only have had 4-5 seasons left at the very top level? How much did they pay in the Ibrahimovic / Maxwell saga (including sending Eto'o the other way)? Barca themselves have set the bar high in terms of market prices.

Arsenal are in a sellers market, and have several options. They can keep Fabreagas for the duration of his contract; they can sell him to a higher bidder; or they can wait for Barca to produce a better offer. It would be lunacy for them to accept a bid well below the market rate, setting a dangerous precident. What would then stop Barca saying "We want Van Persie" and offering £12M next summer.

Your comment about Fabregas's wishes isn't relevant to his price. Sentiment doesn't come into player's transfer values. Would Messi's transfer value be 20% less if Newells bidded for him? If Lyons or Lille bidded for Abidal would they get him on the cheap ? Should Iniesta be allowed to go cheaply to Albacete ?

If Arsenal are offered significantly more by another club, and also the payment is upfront then they should absolutely accept the higher bid. It will allow them to replace Fabregas with another world class player. If they get 10M less then they might have to gamble, they could sign a player like Grosskreutz or Hazard, but will these players become as good as Fabregas - maybe, but Arsenal would be taking a risk.

You say that Arsenal are disrespecting Fabregas by not letting him go for a bid below desired value. But equally well you could say that Barca are also disrespecting him by not upping their bid by £10M (offering supposedly less than last year). Are they not prepared to value him at his true worth ? In the end it is a financial battle between Arsenal and Barca. And to go back to my salient point Arsenal are selling in a sellers market so can set their price.
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Good post. I'm with Edmundo and Bobby and Jonny on this. If I were an Arsenal fan I'd be very annoyed at the constant speculation surrounding our captain and supposedly best player.

And in regards to Barca splashing out big chunks, don't forget Chygrinskyi's failure of a transfer! What was that? $25M? But they won't pay the extra $5M-$10M for their own 'boy'. Instead they'll use this 'past connection' and 'Barca DNA' thing all they can to lower the price by 10% etc.

For me, if anything it's Barca who've disrespected Cesc by showing they want him but not that badly. But Cesc is a little bitch and will take it. And now he's desperate to run back home. But he's a nice guy and wants to please everyone. Not gonna say just man up and pay up to Barca and doesn't wanna piss off his '2nd-father' Wenger or Arsenal fans either.

Either way, Arsenal deserve to keep the great player that he is or sell him for as much as they'd like and are willing to do business for but at same time deserve a better captain. Not one whose head is turned.

Scott Parker should be signed and shortly after become the captain. He'd single handedly make a huge difference in that midfield with his leadership skills and getting everybody to perform at their best and organize the team, etc. And he's the tough competitive hard battler you need and have been missing too. I'd sign him in a heartbeat especially now that he's available but knowing Wenger... he'll probably go for some 18 year old unproven talent who can fulfill his potential years later.... by which time he probably wants to leave lol.

I feel for Gunners. They deserve better. Your captain is supposed to be your club's idol, symbol, first line of defense and inspire others to fight for same cause that he believes in and real proud. Cesc wants to leave. That can't be the captain of a side who actually wants to win shit.
 
Yep Cesc is an outstanding player.

He scored last year vs barca and gave sus hope, he scored in the winner vs milan few years back, and a bunch of other game winners, plus he assisted the goal that made spain win the world cup but nobody seem to know =p, At the end of the day, hes worth decent money. =p
 
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Good post. I'm with Edmundo and Bobby and Jonny on this. If I were an Arsenal fan I'd be very annoyed at the constant speculation surrounding our captain and supposedly best player.

And in regards to Barca splashing out big chunks, don't forget Chygrinskyi's failure of a transfer! What was that? $25M? But they won't pay the extra $5M-$10M for their own 'boy'. Instead they'll use this 'past connection' and 'Barca DNA' thing all they can to lower the price by 10% etc.

For me, if anything it's Barca who've disrespected Cesc by showing they want him but not that badly. But Cesc is a little bitch and will take it. And now he's desperate to run back home. But he's a nice guy and wants to please everyone. Not gonna say just man up and pay up to Barca and doesn't wanna piss off his '2nd-father' Wenger or Arsenal fans either.

Either way, Arsenal deserve to keep the great player that he is or sell him for as much as they'd like and are willing to do business for but at same time deserve a better captain. Not one whose head is turned.

Scott Parker should be signed and shortly after become the captain. He'd single handedly make a huge difference in that midfield with his leadership skills and getting everybody to perform at their best and organize the team, etc. And he's the tough competitive hard battler you need and have been missing too. I'd sign him in a heartbeat especially now that he's available but knowing Wenger... he'll probably go for some 18 year old unproven talent who can fulfill his potential years later.... by which time he probably wants to leave lol.

I feel for Gunners. They deserve better. Your captain is supposed to be your club's idol, symbol, first line of defense and inspire others to fight for same cause that he believes in and real proud. Cesc wants to leave. That can't be the captain of a side who actually wants to win shit.
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Good post, I agree with everything, I think Scott Parker would be a good signing too.
 
Zamparini Told Tuttosport: said:
“Alvarez? We had a specific interest in hand as early as January. Unfortunately, our mistake we did a quick run at the moment and he has already signed for the ‘Arsenal’. “
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I think we know Italians are very well inform when it comes to reporting, well especially the President of Palmero quotes!

Alvarez is very close to signing
 
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I agree that Parker would be a great signing for Arsenal, they need somebody with his leadership skills and his attitude.
 
I'm with all the others on this Cesc situation. Arsenal has the upper hand, we don't have to sell him, especially now. He still has 4 years on his contract and Nasri might leave at any given moment. We can't afford to lose both at once.
Cesc may have the "Barca DNA" and had excellent foundations provided by Barca youth academy. But Arsenal has a huge part in his development both as a player and a man. He's gained a lot of maturity and he's being given the captain armband. He's been given a lot of money also, Arsenal truly values him for the great player he is.
It's very interesting a player with his characteristics gaining experience in the Premier League, where the pace is crazy and he has to think much faster.
Personally, I think he would take the Spanish League apart if/when he goes to Barca.

On Wenger, I also think he should be more active and aggressive in the market. Blackburn don't have to sell Samba either. So cough up the extra 2M pounds for Christ's sake!
And I don't get his priorities! Again, why sign Gervinho, when we already have loads of wingers? We already have Arshavinho and Theodinho.

Defense, holding midfield and GK, Please!
 
If i can believe the rumours then Arsenal will have almost a deal with Samba and Gervinho.
And they are also after Alvarez from Velez Sarsfield.
I'm a big fan of Argentinian football and Alvarez is really good. That would be a fantastic buy. He's a left midfielder, but can play anywhere in midfield. One problem: he has had a serious injury (cruciate ligament of the knee).
I hope he does well, i want to see more Argentinian players in England.
 
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I think Arsenal are missing a real midfield battler (or even one who played as a center back), they need someone who shuts down space and organises the lines. There are elements of Van Bommel I dont like but as a player I think he would have improved Arsenal. I look at the Arsenal midfield and I see an abundance of Rosickys, short, quick skillfull players of varying talent, but also faders who tend to hide in the very big games when things arent going wrong. Maybe some of the younger ones (Wilshire or Ramsey) might develop into mentally stronger players. I had seen Song or even Eboué maybe filling this role but time seems to have passed them by.
 
He should be target #1!

He would instantly improve Arsenal in so many different ways that are needed. Probably would have a better overall effect and contribution than any other 1-man can and it's not like he's gonna be expensive either. Wenger, please, do us all a favour and go for him!!
 
I thought he was a target, I mentioned it a while back, problem is would he actually get in the team? drop Song or Wilshire?
 
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