Arsenal Thread

gerd said:
He should watch Arsenal's away match against Barcelona again...Arsenal had a Dutch FW on the field who was constantly bitching and who should have sent off long before he got an red card (that ws maybe ridiculous in itself).

It's good that players are speaking out against influencing refs, but they should not mention other teams and should lead by example...RVP is not leading by example.
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He was moaning to the ref for valid reasons though, the whole incident where Van Persie got his first yellow resulted from Barcelona players hounding Wilshere for being injured on the floor. Which I think is valid. Then he got strangled by a Barcelona player. Then he got a second yellow that was absolutley ridiculous!

So I think he had plenty to moan about in that game :))

If something legitamately is wrong then of course you should let your feelings be known, if you are just moaning for nothing, then it is a different altogether.
 
Maybe he shouldnt have put it in those words but he has every right to feel the way he does.
But the way he put it across isnt gonna do him any favours.
 
I haven't smoked anything jonney. I think Van Persie let his team down in that match, not with the sending off itself but he had lost it long before. I've seen the throat incident and i think i would be as upset as he is, but i'm not a top class professional football player. It was his "duty" to stay cool...

On top of that, like Rune said, he doesn't do himself and Arsenal any favours by his reaction and by naming (one) other club.
I'm pretty sure there are quite a few people at Arsenal who are not happy about RVP's reaction.


PS: Ronaldinho, please do me a favour and don't defend me...
 
gerd said:
I haven't smoked anything jonney. I think Van Persie let his team down in that match, not with the sending off itself but he had lost it long before. I've seen the throat incident and i think i would be as upset as he is, but i'm not a top class professional football player. It was his "duty" to stay cool...

On top of that, like Rune said, he doesn't do himself and Arsenal any favours by his reaction and by naming (one) other club.
I'm pretty sure there are quite a few people at Arsenal who are not happy about RVP's reaction.


PS: Ronaldinho, please do me a favour and don't defend me...
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So what if his a pro footballer. his a fucking Human being not a robot. people forget that these guys are human and have feelings.

Not many footballers wouldnt react to someone grabbing your throat! come on man. be realistic mate.

not only did the guy grab him on his throat, that guy got away scot free for fucksakes. he has every right to moan at the stupid retarded ref.

@Ronaldinho, piss off out of this thread ok?
 
And no one mentions the kicking of the ball after the whistle! That still pisses me off to this day because you NEVER see anyone get sent off for that, let alone in a CL match where tensions are high. Who knows what would have happened if we were able to defend those Barcelona attempts in the last 10 minutes with 11 men.
 
I'm sorry but it wouldn't have made any difference because at the time RVP was not of any use to Arsenal, because he lost it.
The only thing Wenger could have done is replace him, now that i think of it...that might be considered as a mistake by Wenger.

Jonney, these guys are not supposed to be like you and me. It is not too much asked to behave cool and composed for the salary players like RVP get...RVP can be considered as among the very top of the football pyramid, composure is a must have for him.
 
I do agree he probably shouldn't have said it and I agree he should have calmed himself down in the Barca match. But I also do agree aswell that they are human, just because they get paid ridiculous amounts of money, doesn't stop them from feeling emotions and those emotions overcoming them. It happens to us all, no matter how much money we make.

To say that having 11 men on the pitch wouldn't have made a difference in that Barca game is not right. But we will never know now :DD

The second yellow for Van Persie was scandalous it really was. I remember at the time people trying to defend the decision because if you go to the letter of the law then it is a yellow card. But common sense needs to be used.

In the first 10 minutes of the Man U vs Barca Final Hernandez shot at goal after 2 clear whistles by the ref. No commentator, fan etc said a word about it, as should be. the ref used his common sense and didn't award a yellow card. But Van Persie did it in such an important time of the match in much more debatable circumstances and everybody was trying to defend the decision that was indefensible in my book.

I'm still bitter :DD
 
gerd said:
I haven't smoked anything jonney. I think Van Persie let his team down in that match, not with the sending off itself but he had lost it long before. I've seen the throat incident and i think i would be as upset as he is, but i'm not a top class professional football player. It was his "duty" to stay cool...

On top of that, like Rune said, he doesn't do himself and Arsenal any favours by his reaction and by naming (one) other club.
I'm pretty sure there are quite a few people at Arsenal who are not happy about RVP's reaction.


PS: Ronaldinho, please do me a favour and don't defend me...
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:LMAO:

so RVP never said those thing, When will we learn never to believe what we read :LOL:
 
tc811 said:
Who knows what would have happened if we were able to defend those Barcelona attempts in the last 10 minutes with 11 men.
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Who knows what would have happened if the ref didn't disallow our perfectly legal 0-2 at the emirates, or granted us the clear penalty done to Pedro (and sending off of kocielny)...

I think the red to VP was harsh, but not more important that those 2 decisions, for example.
 
Not that it's so important, but do you know why i think this was a justified second yellow? Not for what he did at that moment, that was a very minor offense. He got a justified second yellow and thus a sending off, because a that moment his purpose on the field was not to play a football match. He was a danger to himself and to the other players on the field.

The fact that the ref did not see what triggered it all (or did not judge it as a yellow and red) is irrelevant at that moment. A good ref should never compensate. In the end, was the sending off an injustice? Maybe it was, and i understand the frustration of the Arsenal fans. But i think the ref made the right decision (and i'm well aware that i'm virtually the only one who thinks this...).

In the end it's not that important.
 
drekkard said:
Who knows what would have happened if the ref didn't disallow our perfectly legal 0-2 at the emirates, or granted us the clear penalty done to Pedro (and sending off of kocielny)...

I think the red to VP was harsh, but not more important that those 2 decisions, for example.
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Dissalowed goals or penalty decisions happen all of the time though, there are many variables to take into consideration that the ref, linesman need to be in the right place to see and judge the situation and make a split second decision. So until we get video technology etc then that will always be a problem unfortunately.

The Van Persie sending off (second Yellow) was not dubious at all it was clear cut and the ref waved any thought of common sense in his brain and was a complete and utter wanker. It was way more than 'Harsh' it was unbelievably ridiculous decision that should never have happened.

Anyway, it doesn't matter now, the best team won and they won the final aswell :))
 
gerd said:
Not that it's so important, but do you know why i think this was a justified second yellow? Not for what he did at that moment, that was a very minor offense. He got a justified second yellow and thus a sending off, because a that moment his purpose on the field was not to play a football match. He was a danger to himself and to the other players on the field.

The fact that the ref did not see what triggered it all (or did not judge it as a yellow and red) is irrelevant at that moment. A good ref should never compensate. In the end, was the sending off an injustice? Maybe it was, and i understand the frustration of the Arsenal fans. But i think the ref made the right decision (and i'm well aware that i'm virtually the only one who thinks this...).

In the end it's not that important.
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you make it sound like he was on the rampage with a chain saw. He was not that bad, I think you are going over the top a bit there.

If you say the ref shouldn't compensate, isn't that exaclty what he did if he sent Van Persie off because he thought he was a 'danger' to others on the pitch? No ref would have given a yellow card for what Van Persie did and in that situation on goal, so if the ref used that situation to send him off, before Van Persie really did another thing worth sending off for then he is playing god and trying to read the future with that decision. It works both ways.

As you say though it isn't important anymore.
 
If RvP didn't have a booking, then I agree he should have got a yellow card but to send him out on a silly mistake like this a ruin the match and any chance Arsenal had was just absurd. I've seen players dribble past the keeper and score after a whistle and the ref didn't do a thing, let alone a game as important as that.

Lo zio posted a great post while back on how a ref should use more common sense than just go by the book by trying to make himself invisible. Think of it this way, if the ref didn't give RvP a red card, no one from either side would have talked about the incident but now here we are 4 months later.

I am just talking about this incident, Barcelona totally deserved to go through but sometimes the weaker side can sneak or steal a win.
 
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Well if RVP was danger to himself and others than those Barcelona players who grabed Arsenal player throats were absolute monsters and psychopaths!!
But nothing was done by that....
Also those players are earning a lot of money and yet they are showing such a big emotions!!
Gerd i think your wrong on this one.....
 
I just have a hard time getting over it because I still think it was a harsh call. But as you all say it's pointless to argue over ifs and buts.
 
Ok, let's stop this discussion, nobody on this forum agrees with me, so i must be wrong...

Completely off-topic, but i can't resist it. I've been listening this afternoon to a very good Belgian band called...Arsenal.

You guys should check them out, they have 4 regular albums out now and they are all very good (i also downloaded a CD from a Spanish or Mexican band that is also called Arsenal).
I don't know any bands called Man Utd, Man City or Chelsea that are remotely as good as Arsenal...so at least you guys win that one...

Ps: the name of the band has nothing to do with your favourite team.
 
3 Arsenal transfers saga:

Cesc Fabregas,
Samir Nasri,
Andrey Arshavin.

Who do you think would be the best replacement for each of them?
 
Hazard is not as good as Nasri...he should start as a super sub or as a team player, but not as one of the strongholders...And Ramsey is no Fabrgas either, but Wilshere could play that role.
 
I really am not sure who to get in, but if players are leaving they need to do it sharpish, then we need to get in new players quickly aswell for them to be ready and get some playing time together in pre season.
 
Thing is most players are on holiday this Month. Way too many names are being thrown , not sure if any players moving or staying. Every-time I see a player`s quote you really not sure . I would love for my employers to think others want my services :LOL:
 
How Hazard is not as good as Nasri? I think he is personally, he need to work on hes finishing, but doing so well in a defensive league as the ligue 1, I bet in a matter of 3 months he will be key to Arsenal and the premier league aswell...if he ever make the switch =p
 
Haha, nice reply you guys.

For me, there's no real replacement for them, they are good in their own style. Each players have their own personal style of play. Anyway, here's mine.

Players who can play their roles although it may seem impossible:

CESC FABREGAS;
- Nuri Sahin
- Yoann Gourcuff

Samir Nasri:
- Mario Gotze
- Steward Downing

Andrey Arshavin:
- Gervinho
- Eden Hazard

Nicklas Bendtner:
-Karim Benzema
-Gonzalo Higuain

Ahaha, it's just role replacement. ahaha.
If I'm Wenger, I would buy Mario Gotze, Karim Benzema, Eden Hazard, Jan Vertonghen.

If you're Wenger, who would you buy?
 
Maybe its about the money, maybe its not. I honestly think you can't complain as much as you probably should be entitled to simply because you've not been successful, Flamini and Adebayor might not have had great times since they left but both are at AC Milan and Real Madrid and look in much better positions to win trophies while Arsenal haven't done anything since their departure either.
 
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