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Arsenal Thread

Looks like you guys are seriously moving for Arshavin. Quality player, dunno how you'll get him for less than £20m though. I could see him fitting in well.

I don't get the deal with the CL, he played in group stages so does that mean he can't play this year? Or is he the 1 exception? Defo don't get it.

The only issue I can see with him will be his lack of discipline. It's hard to play him with 2 strikers as he doesn't track back. And when you've already got a fairly limited defensive midfielder, seems that he could be a bit superfluous. When Cesc is back, I guess you stuff Arshavin on one side and Nasri on the other, with RVP and Ade up front. But that seems too attacking to me. Dunno.
 
beachryan said:
Looks like you guys are seriously moving for Arshavin. Quality player, dunno how you'll get him for less than £20m though. I could see him fitting in well.

I don't get the deal with the CL, he played in group stages so does that mean he can't play this year? Or is he the 1 exception? Defo don't get it.
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Yep, he's cup tied for the whole season. :BRMM:(wow what an amazing new smiley!!!)
 
He wont go for 20M, he's been poor in the Russian league this season, and probably 10M will do it. Wenger likes playing 4-4-1-1 sometimes or he can play outwide in a 4-4-2, With Rosicky, Nasri, Walcott and Van Persie always picking up knocks he would be a good addition but they should be looking at defenders and a DMC rather.
 
ha i cant beleieve you guys will still support wenger if we fail to play CL. i am shocked actually. just goes to show you lot will support wenger no matter HOW BAD arsenal become
 
jonneymendoza said:
ha i cant beleieve you guys will still support wenger if we fail to play CL. i am shocked actually. just goes to show you lot will support wenger no matter HOW BAD arsenal become
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I find it funny how negative you have been.

I think he is the best manager Arsenal can get - he is one of the best. I trust nobody else but him. The only way I would want to get rid of him is if we came mid table a couple of seasons in a row - then maybe I would want to get rid.

Jonney you overreact and jump on Bandwagons all of the time!!

If we manage to get 4th again and get into the champions league, you will still want to get rid of him wouldn't you?
 
What I don't get is why Arsenal shoudl expect to be above the three teams ahead of them, and it's my belief they'd be well worse off without Wenger. I mean, other than last seasons Fabregas, who else would get into Pool/United/Chelsea? Maybe RVP if he could stay fit. Probably Sagna, he's alright/the other teams have crap RBs.

In my opinion you lot have, on paper, the fourth best first XI in the prem, and arguably worse than that as a squad (potential aside). So consistenyl guiding them into the top 3 or 4 takes real managerial nous, and Wenger has shown that for years.
 
beachryan said:
What I don't get is why Arsenal shoudl expect to be above the three teams ahead of them, and it's my belief they'd be well worse off without Wenger. I mean, other than last seasons Fabregas, who else would get into Pool/United/Chelsea? Maybe RVP if he could stay fit. Probably Sagna, he's alright/the other teams have crap RBs.

In my opinion you lot have, on paper, the fourth best first XI in the prem, and arguably worse than that as a squad (potential aside). So consistenyl guiding them into the top 3 or 4 takes real managerial nous, and Wenger has shown that for years.
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I agree with most of that and its true.

The only thing I don't agree with is, If we were in a perfect world and everybodies players were fit for all the teams. Then I feel we could beat anybody and win the league :)) But it is never going to happen and we do have a very bad squad - we have no depth. That is our major problem.

But I agree with everythinng you are saying. I don't think any other manager will do better - and if they do it will be lucky.

Wenger needs to realise he can't rely on the crop of young players he has now. He needs experience and needs to spend a bit more money to get this.
 
Wenger knows what we need, but he has been gambling with a very thin squad.

I am sure that Arshavin will added something to it and I also expect us to buy at DM and CB this window. We will see....
 
BobbyBox said:
Wenger needs to realise he can't rely on the crop of young players he has now. He needs experience and needs to spend a bit more money to get this.
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Agreed. However, when Wenger seeks experience he comes up with bloody Silvestre! Ok, he probably didn't cost that much, but we need a lot more than this to rely on.

Apart from Arshavin, any other news/gossip?
 
BobbyBox said:
I find it funny how negative you have been.

I think he is the best manager Arsenal can get - he is one of the best. I trust nobody else but him. The only way I would want to get rid of him is if we came mid table a couple of seasons in a row - then maybe I would want to get rid.

Jonney you overreact and jump on Bandwagons all of the time!!

If we manage to get 4th again and get into the champions league, you will still want to get rid of him wouldn't you?
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seriously what bandwagon are you on about? im like the only arsenal fan here that thinks wenger is not right for the job. it seems like you dont mind us going backwards each season untill we get relegated. even then you probably still stick by wenger.

when will you start realizing that wenger is not as good as he once was before. im fed up of arsenal fans using his "past glory" as an excuse to stick by him for what seems to be "forever".

had he been a manager for almost any top european side, he would most probably got the sack already. you would rather wait till its too late before sacking him. besides his past glory, what the fuck has he achieved and done so brilliently to honour him staying? we aint won a fucking cup for 4 years, we have lost soo many quality players for what seems to be peanuts and we have had a shockingly bad season already and where only halfway through it.

where suppose to be a top team. where suppose to be competing with the very best. atm where not and even though it sounds that i am negetive. im only talking facts here.

no person in this world stays on top of his "game" all his life. their comes a time where the persons glory ends. nothing lasts forever and wengers time has come at the way things are going.

people need to realize teh truth and stop living on past glory's before we actually do become a mid table team again.

people say wenger cant be replaced. news flash, their are 10000 managers out their, dont forget, wenger was a nobody and became a succesful manager, whos to say we cant find another one? whos to say that teh current top managers from europe wont wanna manage a team like arsenal?

if we do become a mid table team, it will be difficult to find a top manager to manage us thats for sure.
 
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jonneymendoza said:
seriously what bandwagon are you on about? im like the only arsenal fan here that thinks wenger is not right for the job. it seems like you dont mind us going backwards each season untill we get relegated. even then you probably still stick by wenger.

when will you start realizing that wenger is not as good as he once was before. im fed up of arsenal fans using his "past glory" as an excuse to stick by him for what seems to be "forever".

had he been a manager for almost any top european side, he would most probably got the sack already. you would rather wait till its too late before sacking him. besides his past glory, what the fuck has he achieved and done so brilliently to honour him staying? we aint won a fucking cup for 4 years, we have lost soo many quality players for what seems to be peanuts and we have had a shockingly bad season already and where only halfway through it.

where suppose to be a top team. where suppose to be competing with the very best. atm where not and even though it sounds that i am negetive. im only talking facts here.

no person in this world stays on top of his "game" all his life. their comes a time where the persons glory ends. nothing lasts forever and wengers time has come at the way things are going.

people need to realize teh truth and stop living on past glory's before we actually do become a mid table team again.

people say wenger cant be replaced. news flash, their are 10000 managers out their, dont forget, wenger was a nobody and became a succesful manager, whos to say we cant find another one? whos to say that teh current top managers from europe wont wanna manage a team like arsenal?

if we do become a mid table team, it will be difficult to find a top manager to manage us thats for sure.
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Stop saying everythings fact and the truth. It's your opinion mate thats it.

What makes you think we should be winning the league with teams like Man U and Liverpool in the mix? they have a much greater fan base than we can ever wish for - they have ridiculous amounts of money to spend. They are at an advantage every year.

Just as Chelsea got their millions - we were looking like being the top team in the Prem. But we were unlucky, as Chelsea ended up buying a team that won them two leagues in a row. Two leagues that I feel would have been ours if Chelsea were not so lucky.

It takes alot of different factors to make a winning team and it is very difficult to do so. At the moment we are doing trial and Error. But the season we had Flamini playing well before he left and a couple of others, I reckon we were about 2 players away from having a very special team. But unfortunately we sold some influential players and didn't replace them and that was a big mistake.

You are right there are 1000's of managers out there but I can't think of a single one that I would want or would gaurantee us success. Juande Ramos was meant to be one of the best and he couldn't do it with Spurs?

I am saying If we get any other manager, I will gaurantee you we will become a mid table team. They will come in and spend all of our money and fuck it all up. I am convinced Wenger just needs to get a couple of players Dm and CB and we will be on the road again.

I also believe if Wenger goes - half of our squad will go and in particular Fabregas. This is something I do not want to see happen.

The facts are the premiership is getting harder - teams like Everton and Villa are getting stronger. All of the so called 'Top teams' are dropping more and more points. So this is affecting us.

And when I said bandwagon - you started coming out with this shit when all the papers started questioning him. We were only a quarter of the way through the season then! Its silly and everytime we lost a game you came on here bitching and moaning. You even said the other day you stopped watching them etc as you were so fed up!!!

When you do that it pisses me off - Especially when you say that we are all idiots for believing in our manager.

Lets wait until we see who Wenger buys and where we come in the league - then lets start talking about it.
 
i did say in here a couple of months back that if we finish poor at the end of the season imo he should get the sack, never have i said he shoudl be sacked as in now so i do agree that we should wait and see what happenes at the end of the season.

either way, wenger has had 3-4 season of trial and error. its not as if this is his first bad season(so far) its been happening for the last 3+ seasons now.

fair play wenger doesn't have the millions to spend but cant he at least KEEP our key players? im sure if we tried, we could of convinced flamini, hleb, gilberto(for experience) and even diara we could of kept most of those if not all those players and we most probably be within touching distance of liverpool now if not above them.

don't get me wrong, i want arsenal to succeed. i want wenger to succeed but atm i cant see it happening but i hope wenger proves me wrong and at least wins the fa cup or something. that will be a start.

sorry if you think i am calling you and others idiots, its just that to my knowledge it appears that some of you guys worship wenger more then arsenal.
 
@BobbyBox - Yeah I'm still gutted that Chelsea came in the way they did. I thought that Arsenal and United were both starting to come back towards the pack, well United were definitely! And I mean performances/squad rather than points. It was so much more exciting. Knowing that your lineup could include O'Shea, Bellion and Quinton Fortune made losing/drawing so much more bearable than doing so with today's uber-squads. And teams used to play against both Arsenal and United - now they are 'brave' and 'committed' and sit two banks of 5 and use clever fouls to negate any attacking threat.

I really feel that had Chelsea not raised the bar so effectively, the league would be a lot more fun. I mean, I appreciate the talent on display with, say, Berbatov, Rooney, Ronaldo, Nani, Anderson, Carrick, Tevez and so forth, but it's just somehow empty. I miss the drama.
 
jonneymendoza said:
i did say in here a couple of months back that if we finish poor at the end of the season imo he should get the sack, never have i said he shoudl be sacked as in now so i do agree that we should wait and see what happenes at the end of the season.

either way, wenger has had 3-4 season of trial and error. its not as if this is his first bad season(so far) its been happening for the last 3+ seasons now.

fair play wenger doesn't have the millions to spend but cant he at least KEEP our key players? im sure if we tried, we could of convinced flamini, hleb, gilberto(for experience) and even diara we could of kept most of those if not all those players and we most probably be within touching distance of liverpool now if not above them.

don't get me wrong, i want arsenal to succeed. i want wenger to succeed but atm i cant see it happening but i hope wenger proves me wrong and at least wins the fa cup or something. that will be a start.

sorry if you think i am calling you and others idiots, its just that to my knowledge it appears that some of you guys worship wenger more then arsenal.
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I agree with the Keeping our key players bit - I feel this has been Wengers Biggest mistake since he has been at Arsenal. But to be honest I don't think Flamini would have stayed - he wanted to go to Milan and I don't think anything would have convinced him to stay. Also Diarra was a whinging bastard and I am glad we didn't keep him, Arsenal don't need players like him. We need his quality - but his temprement was off.

Anyway - we will have to agree to Disagree :DD Lets just hope we get a good couple of(At least) quality players in this transfer window.
 
Nick Cave said:
Another couple of seasons with no success and you will find it hard to keep anyone...
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To be honest - I think Fabregas is on the brink of leaving in the summer. I just hope it doesn't happen. Then it will just be a matter of time.

It all depends how we end this season I think and if we are in the champions league.
 
BobbyBox said:
To be honest - I think Fabregas is on the brink of leaving in the summer. I just hope it doesn't happen. Then it will just be a matter of time.

It all depends how we end this season I think and if we are in the champions league.
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Yep it's sad but if money keeps slushing football the way it is, playing for any club apart from ones that are wining things wont matter to any of the Multi Millionaires... :CONF:
 
Nick Cave said:
Yep it's sad but if money keeps slushing football the way it is, playing for any club apart from ones that are wining things wont matter to any of the Multi Millionaires... :CONF:
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robinho fits the bill. nice salary his getting. i be honest. i would play for ANY club if they offered me that kind of salary and im sure many of you would too.

money talks in foootball now and its a shame really. imo arsenal winning the title will be one of the best things that has ever happened in football in general at this time as a club with limited funds out muscles a team thats richer then rich.
 
beachryan said:
What I don't get is why Arsenal shoudl expect to be above the three teams ahead of them, and it's my belief they'd be well worse off without Wenger. I mean, other than last seasons Fabregas, who else would get into Pool/United/Chelsea? Maybe RVP if he could stay fit. Probably Sagna, he's alright/the other teams have crap RBs.

In my opinion you lot have, on paper, the fourth best first XI in the prem, and arguably worse than that as a squad (potential aside). So consistenyl guiding them into the top 3 or 4 takes real managerial nous, and Wenger has shown that for years.
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Or we would be even more dominant with all the players Chelsea poached from under are noses (Essien, Robben, Mikel etc)
 
beachryan said:
What I don't get is why Arsenal shoudl expect to be above the three teams ahead of them, and it's my belief they'd be well worse off without Wenger. I mean, other than last seasons Fabregas, who else would get into Pool/United/Chelsea? Maybe RVP if he could stay fit. Probably Sagna, he's alright/the other teams have crap RBs.

In my opinion you lot have, on paper, the fourth best first XI in the prem, and arguably worse than that as a squad (potential aside). So consistenyl guiding them into the top 3 or 4 takes real managerial nous, and Wenger has shown that for years.
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Clichy is at least the equal of Cole and Evra, and certainly anyone Liverpool happen to have at left back at any one time. Walcott would fit happily into Chelsea and Pool, probably an expensive understudy to Ronaldo at United.

Overall I agree though; we are now unquestionably the poor relation of the 'big four'. Quite how it's got like this is beggars belief, although we have been unlucky with injuries. We might be in a different position if we'd had Eduardo and Rosicky fit for the last 12 months, but that's speculation.

We're ripe for a big signing. It really is time. I'm not sure if it's Arshavin to be honest, and it doesn't have to be a £20m + superstar but the squad needs a lift. Some genuine, proven quality anywhere across midfield or defence to be honest. We live in hope.
 
Update on transfers..

SkySports said:
Wenger drops transfer hint - Arshavin heavily linked, while Kolo's staying a Gunner

Last updated: 9th January 2009

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has intimated negotiations to bring Andrei Arshavin to the club from Zenit St Petersburg are progressing well.

The Russian schemer has been strongly linked with a move to Emirates Stadium and it has been reported talks have begun over a deal that could cost Arsenal in the region of £20million.

Wenger is remaining tight-lipped on any potential signings but was willing to concede that in the world of football transfers, 'no news is good news'.

"We do not want to talk too much about who we want to buy," Wenger told Arsenal TV online.

"At the moment I cannot give you any good news but in this job no news is good news. Nothing has fallen through. We are on alert in the transfer market."

Reinforcements

He also hinted that he was in the market for a defensive midfielder to bolster his injury-hit squad.

"That is also a priority," he said.

"We are not in the big league. We are a little short because we wanted a player like (Tomas) Rosicky to play 80% of games and he has not played at all.

"We want to spend money but as everyone knows, and as the chairman has said, we have money available but we have limited resources, and you want to spend it in the best way possible."

The Frenchman quashed rumours that Kolo Toure, who recently retracted a transfer request, could leave the Emirates for Manchester City and was adamant that nobody will leave the club this month.

"That (Toure story) is finished. We will not sell any players this month."
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Arsenal are not doing what there know for pace and 1 touch football...shocking to see Ade touch the ball twice before shooting he was alone for 3 seconds. Only fab holds the ball to make a pass not to run w/ it. Ramsey and Nasri need to pass the ball ffs! stop doing the fab turn its useless
 
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