Arsenal Thread

RuneEdge said:
Look, I'll make this as simple as possible. If you still dont get it, I'll actually start quoting this post again and again.
At the start of the season, your biggest goal threats were Van Persie and Henry. Ours were Ruud, Saha and maybe Rooney and Ole. Throughout the season, you lost both Henry and Van Persie, we lost Saha, Ole and sold Ruud (yes its a valid point cuz this debate is more to do with how we cope without players rather than why we lost them).
Now when we had our injuries, players like Rooney and Ronaldo stepped up. These arent players who we look to for goals. These are players who normally service our real goal threat. But where were Arsenal's players who were supposed to step up to make up for Henry and Van Persie? You had no one else who could give you the goals they did.
The point is, both teams had some serious injuries but we were able to cope with them and you couldnt. You cant say we would have been shit without Rooney and Ronaldo cuz if someone like Rosicky and Fabregas had got you 35+ goals for you between them this season, it would be unfair for us to say you'd be shit without those guys too. Cuz they arent the ones that were supposed to get you the goals, they would have been the ones that stepped up to make up for your injuries.
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Does this make it easier for some of you?
 
jonneymendoza said:
you say we was 15 points by jan when van and henry was out. Henry was out at the begining of the season mate
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3 09-Sep-06 H Middlesbrough D 1-1 (0-1) Henry 67p
5 23-Sep-06 H Sheffield United W 3-0 (0-0) Henry 80
6 30-Sep-06 A Charlton Athletic W 2-1 (1-1) Van Persie 32
7 14-Oct-06 H Watford W 3-0 (2-0) Henry 43
8 22-Oct-06 A Reading W 4-0 (2-0) Henry 1, 70p; Van Persie 50
9 28-Oct-06 H Everton D 1-1 (0-1) Van Persie 71
12 18-Nov-06 H Newcastle United D 1-1 (0-1) Henry 70
14 29-Nov-06 A Fulham L 1-2 (1-2) Van Persie 36
19 23-Dec-06 H Blackburn Rovers W 6-2 (3-1) Van Persie 85, 88;
20 26-Dec-06 A Watford W 2-1 (1-1 Van Persie 83
22 02-Jan-07 H Charlton Athletic W 4-0 Henry 30p Van Persie 76
23 13-Jan-07 A Blackburn Rovers W 2-0 (1-0) Toure 37; Henry 71
24 21-Jan-07 H Manchester United W 2-1 Van Persie 83; Henry 91
25 03-Feb-07 A Middlesbrough D 1-1 (0-0) Henry 77


Must have been Lenny Henry that was playing in September and October then. :lol:
 
marukomu said:
3 09-Sep-06 H Middlesbrough D 1-1 (0-1) Henry 67p
5 23-Sep-06 H Sheffield United W 3-0 (0-0) Henry 80
6 30-Sep-06 A Charlton Athletic W 2-1 (1-1) Van Persie 32
7 14-Oct-06 H Watford W 3-0 (2-0) Henry 43
8 22-Oct-06 A Reading W 4-0 (2-0) Henry 1, 70p; Van Persie 50
9 28-Oct-06 H Everton D 1-1 (0-1) Van Persie 71
12 18-Nov-06 H Newcastle United D 1-1 (0-1) Henry 70
14 29-Nov-06 A Fulham L 1-2 (1-2) Van Persie 36
19 23-Dec-06 H Blackburn Rovers W 6-2 (3-1) Van Persie 85, 88;
20 26-Dec-06 A Watford W 2-1 (1-1 Van Persie 83
22 02-Jan-07 H Charlton Athletic W 4-0 Henry 30p Van Persie 76
23 13-Jan-07 A Blackburn Rovers W 2-0 (1-0) Toure 37; Henry 71
24 21-Jan-07 H Manchester United W 2-1 Van Persie 83; Henry 91
25 03-Feb-07 A Middlesbrough D 1-1 (0-0) Henry 77


Must have been Lenny Henry that was playing in September and October then. :lol:
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thats bullshit henry was out more than that. your stats are full of crap and you got wayy too much time in ur hands
 
marukomu said:
It takes 10 seconds to cut and paste from football365. The stats don't lie, check them yourself.

http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/teams/Arsenal.html
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Stats do lie - When you alter them?!

Lets just say this season Man United were better than Arsenal. Thats it - plain and simple.

They are two different entities - Different players with different skills and abilities were missing from both teams. Man United managed better with their injuries.

End of Story. Lets stop repeating ourselves and nip it in the bud.

The only thing that matters is that if Both teams are fully fit and healthy - Arsenal would kick your arses all over the place!! :-) And I know that for sure - so there is no point arguing about that either!!
 
I didn't alter any stats; please tell me which ones I altered, and stop talking shit about Arsenal being such a good team. It's not just your attack that was bad this year. Your defence was crap too. You were great on a handful of occasions, that's all.
 
marukomu said:
I didn't alter any stats; please tell me which ones I altered, and stop talking shit about Arsenal being such a good team. It's not just your attack that was bad this year. Your defence was crap too. You were great on a handful of occasions, that's all.
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It depends how big your hands are - I can fit 38 games in my hands and I can still just about carry a plasic bag full of carling cup games on my pinky finger of my right hand - if the handle is tied in a knot.

I said Stats lie if you alter them - I didn't say you did.
 
Serious now, bbbybx. What do you think you need to challenge next year, because I can only see the other 3 teams getting stronger?
 
marukomu said:
Serious now, bbbybx. What do you think you need to challenge next year, because I can only see the other 3 teams getting stronger?
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Honestly I do think we need more players - but only as decent back up to our first team. So if we do get the injuries again we have quality replacements.

If Wenger does not buy anybody - then I Agree we will be left behind.

I'm confident that if we stay fit (Big If) we will be more than a match for Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool and the rest. Although I do think next season will be the toughest season in the premiership - Its gonna be something special hopefully!
 
marukomu said:
What about Owen? I can't see him going to Utd or Chelsea. I think he'd do ok at your place..
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He is the sort of player we need - but I really don't think he would leave Newcastle - He should do, but I don't think he will. I think the supporters would lynch him!

I think we need a central defender and a decent winger and a proven goalscorer - then we will be fine.

Just thought I would add this (And I did mention this when he left) Selling Lauren to Portsmouth was wrong we should have at least kept him to the end of the season. I still don't know why we did that?
 
I think the promise of Eboue repeating the form of 2005-2006 season was more than a catalyst for letting Lauren go. However, Eboue has gone backwards this season, so Wenger shot himself, and us, in the foot with that Transfer.
 
IceMan_Bergkamp said:
I think the promise of Eboue repeating the form of 2005-2006 season was more than a catalyst for letting Lauren go. However, Eboue has gone backwards this season, so Wenger shot himself, and us, in the foot with that Transfer.
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Thats just it though - we have a lot of promise from alot of players - they need to start living up to it before we get rid of other players. But to get rid of one of our most reliable and experienced defenders when we were not doing verey well was silly.
 
I think we`re at a turning point either we will be a top flight club or a top flight has been. What was before is not the same and the hunger to be on top is ever present.
 
I have a bad feeling you could be looking at UEFA Cup places next season if you dont do something quick. You can make excuses about young players not being experienced enough and the amount of inuries you have but then next season, your more experienced players get another year older and weaker. How long can people like Lehmann and Henry keep it up for you guy?
 
RuneEdge said:
I have a bad feeling you could be looking at UEFA Cup places next season if you dont do something quick. You can make excuses about young players not being experienced enough and the amount of inuries you have but then next season, your more experienced players get another year older and weaker. How long can people like Lehmann and Henry keep it up for you guy?
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Bloody hell - this is an over reaction!! we will be fine next season. We need to do well in all compititions though.

I do agree - we need to get players in to. We need a replacement for Henry. No ones ever going to be the legend Henry is - but if they are any where near him it will be fine.

Our younger players do need to produce now though - they have got the experience and they need to show it!

I think our future is bright, we have alot of potential - so all this talk of us slipping drastically is nonsense and has no basis.

The excuses I wish we didn't have to make - but they are true. There are other reasons aswell granted but the things we have said have happened and there is no doubt these have contributed to our poor season.
 
bbbybx said:
Bloody hell - this is an over reaction!! we will be fine next season. We need to do well in all compititions though.
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Thats what we say every year but you get more and more desperate to salvage something when the season comes to an end.
We on the other hand showed clear improvement every season and showed some serious hope for the future. And in the end, we finally got our title back off Chelsea.
Even if your players are injury free, how do you know they'll even perform like you expect them too? Look at what happened to Reyes. And Henry turns 30 this year too. Of course a few good signings could change that but you never show any ambition in the transfer market.
 
Who to say ManUtd player will perform at all next season what are you on about. Henry usually provides 30+ goals in all competitions so a dip can bring 20+ not too shabby. Funny how ManUtd are champions and now you lots are experts. You lots in the summer were kicking and screaming how shite your squad looks. So no one is buy your fickle plot. We`ll see what happen ,but we`re not here for your pop shots about if`s and buts.
 
RuneEdge is making a good point though. But I do feel Adebayor did a great job. He certainly proved me wrong and made me eat my words!

Dj
 
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beboq said:
Who to say ManUtd player will perform at all next season what are you on about.
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Based on the last three years, I think we will. And based on your last three years, you probably wont.
Its hard to believe that it was only a couple of years ago when you went a whole season without losing. Since then you've sold some major players, made signings that are way too young to compete at the level you used to expect, teams are starting to figure your tactics out, you've started to pick up more injuries because people know that being physical against you is effective, the list goes on and on.
We on the other hand have developed a whole new style of play which is as effective as you used to be (Kaka even said after the Milan games that we're the side that play the most like Brazil nowadays when it used you be Arsenal).
The funny thing is, if someone had told us a couple of years ago that in 2006/07 we wont have Keane and Ruud and replace them with guys like Carrick and O'Shea in midfield, and that we'd have so many injuries that we'd be playing Fletcher in defence, and that Chelsea would be signing the likes of Ballack and Shevchenko, you'd think this is gonna be our worst season yet.
In a way, you can say we've already had our unluckiest season this year. Its just that it takes more than luck to stop us now (Like Milan having to outclass us to beat us in the CL).

You're only denying it for the sake of being right. Its pretty clear that you have a lot of work to do.
 
I really don't know exactly what the Utd fans think they are proving by telling us our weaknesses, maybe they feel a bit high and mighty now that they have won the league. Whatever the reason, get over it boys, you won the league, you were the best team, we weren't. Wenger is aware of our failings and will doing his utmost to make us more competitive next season.

I don't think we need to make that much of a step up though, we beat the champions home and away, stayed unbeaten in the 2 games against the defending champions and smashed Liverpool who finished above us 3 times. A bit more consistency with less injury problems will see us competing at the top next season.
 
Clockender said:
I really don't know exactly what the Utd fans think they are proving by telling us our weaknesses, maybe they feel a bit high and mighty now that they have won the league. Whatever the reason, get over it boys, you won the league, you were the best team, we weren't. Wenger is aware of our failings and will doing his utmost to make us more competitive next season.

I don't think we need to make that much of a step up though, we beat the champions home and away, stayed unbeaten in the 2 games against the defending champions and smashed Liverpool who finished above us 3 times. A bit more consistency with less injury problems will see us competing at the top next season.
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Thats completely correct. 100%.
 
Clockender said:
I really don't know exactly what the Utd fans think they are proving by telling us our weaknesses, maybe they feel a bit high and mighty now that they have won the league. Whatever the reason, get over it boys, you won the league, you were the best team, we weren't. Wenger is aware of our failings and will doing his utmost to make us more competitive next season.
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You guys act as if you've been unlucky when the club seems to be heading in the wrong direction anyway. It probably wouldnt matter if luck was on your side.
And if you're gonna try to reduce this to just "you were better, we werent. get over it", why do you even bother coming here?
 
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