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From thefa.com:
Parlour - one charge of improper conduct for "confronting van Nistelrooy after the final whistle" and a further charge of violent behaviour for "grabbing at Gary Neville from behind shortly afterwards".


Cole - one charge of improper conduct for "his involvement in a confrontation with Cristiano Ronaldo after the final whistle".


Lehmann - one charge of improper conduct for "confronting referee Steve Bennett after Patrick Vieira's second yellow card and for then persistently seeking to confront van Nistelrooy".


Vieira - one charge of improper conduct for "failing to leave the field of play following his sending-off, and for instead seeking to confront van Nistelrooy and engaging in a verbal exchange with fourth official Neale Barry".


Giggs - one charge of improper conduct for "his involvement in a confrontation with Lauren after the match had ended".


Ronaldo - one charge of improper conduct for "confronting Martin Keown at the conclusion of the match".
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Parlour's charges were later dropped down to two charges of improper conduct and Lehmann's was dropped. Seems to me that Vieira, Cole, Ronaldo and Giggs were all charged with improper conduct yet only Vieira was banned. :roll:
 
They didn't say anything about that. I'm really not that bothered though, in my opinion Keown and Lauren should have been banned and no others. Vieira was injured anyway so it didn't make a difference. The suspensions and fines were definately worth roughing Ruud up a bit, pity they didn't do it properly like he deserves. :mrgreen:
 
Loz and TB, stop sticking up for Man Utd FFS. Why don't you relise, it's one rule for Man Utd and one for the rest.

Keown we love ya. :mrgreen:
 
T Butcher fan said:
I'm not sticking up for anyone - I'm just trying to add what always goes missing in an Arsenal thread......Rationalism.
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Well if your not happy with what gets posted in here, head back to your Russian Headquarters. :mrgreen: ;)
 
I shall do so, and leave you lot to work yourselves up into a foam-mouthed, vein-bulging fit of apoplexy revolving around the subject of God and his lifelong mission to somehow persecute in any possible form, that beacon of truth, Arsenal FC.

;)
 
T Butcher fan said:
I shall do so, and leave you lot to work yourselves up into a foam-mouthed, vein-bulging fit of apoplexy revolving around the subject of God and his lifelong mission to somehow persecute in any possible form, that beacon of truth, Arsenal FC.

;)
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Sorry TB but you should get your facts right before coming onto our board. Giggs and Ronaldo was charged with Improper conduct as were Parlour and Vieira.

Our players were banned, theirs weren't. FACT. Tell me whats rational about that?
 
Parlour was also cited for Violent behaviour you conveniently forget. Look above you, it's in Black and White.

Vieira was sent off in the actual match, then refused to leave the field, THEN took umbrance with the fourth official.

What did Giggs or Ronaldo do on a par with either of the Arsenal players?
 
so if Keano had done what Keown did to RVN to Henry you dont think he should have been banned, yeah nice one. You'd be lucky to get away with what he did in a boxing ring, nevermind a football match.

not only that but it could have incited crowd trouble, i just think Keown should have received a heavier ban and Lauren, he had P Neville by the throat and i think thats outrageous behaviour.
 
loz said:
not only that but it could have incited crowd trouble
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Well it kinda did. Those Mancs were smart enough to let everyone out at the same time even with that atmosphere and I heard about plenty of Mancs releasing their frustrations on anything Gooner related, women and children included...
 
well there ya go then, that sort of behaviour should never been seen on a football field. It's bad enough seeing it on the terraces, but what chance have the FA got of keeping our supporters fight free in big tournies and abroad, when the players show that kind of behaviour they should get lengthy bans, at least 6 months.
 
T Butcher fan said:
What did Giggs or Ronaldo do on a par with either of the Arsenal players?
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This is immaterial. I don't know how many times I have to say this but they were both charged with the same offence!!!

Parlours charge was down graded from violent to improper conduct.

This means that the punishments should be fairly similar. They are not. Thats all we are saying.
 
loz said:
well there ya go then, that sort of behaviour should never been seen on a football field. It's bad enough seeing it on the terraces, but what chance have the FA got of keeping our supporters fight free in big tournies and abroad, when the players show that kind of behaviour they should get lengthy bans, at least 6 months.
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Mate, you have lost your grip on reality.

We went OTT after the game with the gloating etc, but lets put this into perspective:

No one was killed
No one was hurt
No punches were thrown
It was handbags

The FA got the punishments for Lauren and Keown were spot on, they were out of order.

But far, far, far, worse things happen every week on pitches of the Nationwide even the Premiership (Bolton-West Ham last season) every week but do we see them debated like this? No we don't.
 
loz said:
well there ya go then, that sort of behaviour should never been seen on a football field. It's bad enough seeing it on the terraces, but what chance have the FA got of keeping our supporters fight free in big tournies and abroad, when the players show that kind of behaviour they should get lengthy bans, at least 6 months.
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Yeah, Manutd "fans" were fully justified in beating up people because Keown and Lauren pushed Ruud a bit around. And it also had nothing to with the idiots in charge at Old Trafford. :roll:
 
lauren with his hands round neville's throat and keown giving RVN a pasting was diabolical, if they dont make examples of these people then it'll get worse. if it does go on around the country then have them up and banned for a period of time as well. i'm not just saying it cos it's the gooners i just think these people need to be made an example of.
 
loz said:
lauren with his hands round neville's throat and keown giving RVN a pasting was diabolical, if they dont make examples of these people then it'll get worse. if it does go on around the country then have them up and banned for a period of time as well. i'm not just saying it cos it's the gooners i just think these people need to be made an example of.
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Keown did not give Ruud a pasting.....did you actually see it? You are talking out of your anus mate. Keown raised his hands to RVN. Suppose RVN never raises his hands does he?

Fulham last March anyone? He also punched Freddie in the 2002 title decider? What happened, F**K all!!
 
Look, everyone is acting like this is a transparent, black and white ruling but trying to decipher FA policies is impossible and probably why they are in such hot water at the moment. All I know is that Giggs and Ronaldo couldn't get banned from the outset because of their charges, why? I don't know, but think about it 'rationally' ;)

Why should Ronaldo be banned for the same length of time as Vieira? What did he do? Joe Cole got a 2 match ban for improper conduct, what does this tell you? Why wasn't he only banned for 1 match? Or none at all?

There are obviously different degrees of improper conduct - what they are I dunno, and neither do you.

FACT
 
Joe Cole was banned for verbally abusing the fourth official, verbal abuse always carries a two match ban. Although I think this is the first time a non-Gooner gets banned for it. Vieira got banned two games last year for saying Andy D'Urso had no personality. :roll:
 
jogi said:
Joe Cole was banned for verbally abusing the fourth official, verbal abuse always carries a two match ban. Although I think this is the first time a non-Gooner gets banned for it. Vieira got banned two games last year for saying Andy D'Urso had no personality. :roll:
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Have you got a list of all the charges and their punishments?
 
They used to be in this part of their website:

http://www.thefa.com/application?or..._rulesandregulations&pillar=thefa&navMax=true

Now, the say they're "coming soon", must be changing them or something? I looked at 'em a lot (after all I am a Gooner ;)) last year and I remember that you get three games for violent conduct (which includes spitting), two games for verbal abuse, and one game or a fine for improper conduct. There must be varying degrees of improper conduct which explains why Parlour and Vieira got banned and not Cole, Ronaldo and Giggs. Or maybe their disciplinary record counted against them?
 
Butatista said:
loz said:
lauren with his hands round neville's throat and keown giving RVN a pasting was diabolical, if they dont make examples of these people then it'll get worse. if it does go on around the country then have them up and banned for a period of time as well. i'm not just saying it cos it's the gooners i just think these people need to be made an example of.
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Keown did not give Ruud a pasting.....did you actually see it? You are talking out of your anus mate. Keown raised his hands to RVN. Suppose RVN never raises his hands does he?

Fulham last March anyone? He also punched Freddie in the 2002 title decider? What happened, F**K all!!
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Yeah I remember me and my brother couldn't believe he got away with it at the time. Everyone said it was a marvellous goal, but somehow they missed the punch.
 
Butatista said:
Keown did not give Ruud a pasting.....did you actually see it? You are talking out of your anus mate. Keown raised his hands to RVN. Suppose RVN never raises his hands does he?
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Ok he never really gave him "a pasting", but I wouldn't say he just "raised his hands" either. He brought his forearm down on the back of RvN's neck with force.
 
ClassicD said:
Butatista said:
Keown did not give Ruud a pasting.....did you actually see it? You are talking out of your anus mate. Keown raised his hands to RVN. Suppose RVN never raises his hands does he?
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Ok he never really gave him "a pasting", but I wouldn't say he just "raised his hands" either. He brought his forearm down on the back of RvN's neck with force.
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Fuck off!

What did you say when Thompson smashed his elbow into Peter Lovenkrands chest in the old-firm derby at Ibrox last year? fuck all. So don't come into our thread and start sticking up for horseface.
 
Jamés M said:
Fuck off!

What did you say when Thompson smashed his elbow into Peter Lovenkrands chest in the old-firm derby at Ibrox last year? fuck all. So don't come into our thread and start sticking up for horseface.
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Now now toots, calm down :D.

Is this the Arsenal thread? Then why would I mention Celtic in it, surely that would be going OT? I'm posting my viewpoint on it, which I'm allowed to do as far as I know.
 
Yep the Arsenal thread is for discussions on everything Arsenal, and i cant believed you lot are so biased and obviously blind to the truth. What does it take? A player gotta get a gun out and start pooping people off before you say they are in the wrong?
 
loz said:
Yep the Arsenal thread is for discussions on everything Arsenal, and i cant believed you lot are so biased and obviously blind to the truth. What does it take? A player gotta get a gun out and start pooping people off before you say they are in the wrong?
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Err no mate:

Butatista said:
We went OTT after the game with the gloating etc, but lets put this into perspective:

No one was killed
No one was hurt
No punches were thrown
It was handbags

The FA got the punishments for Lauren and Keown were spot on, they were out of order.
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Why don't you read previous posts fully before commenting on them? We were in the wrong, I've admitted it. I don't think that is being blind to the truth, do you?

But Giggs and Ronaldo retaliated. The was a picture in the paper yesterday which showed Giggs pushing Lauren in the face with both his hands. You cannot raise your hands these days.

I will go back to my original point, to only fine the Utd players involved suggest the FA are condoning retaliation.

The simple fact is Man U always get off lightly. In 1990 there was a mass brawl between the two sides involving 21 players. Arsenal get 2 points deducted and a 50k fine, United get 1 point deducted and a 20k fine. Our keeper was the only player not involved (so we had less players involved in it) yet the FA came down harder on us.

We Gooners just have to live with it.
 
The FA have not condoned it, they fined the players involved. Therefore they are saying they will not accept retaliation. The gooners (Lauren and Keown) started the incident and so they are punished more severly, that makes sense to me, or do you believe that players sticking up for their team is not right? Admittedly if Giggs did push someone he should probably be banned as well but i didnt see that . . . .
 
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