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WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread

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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/14/07)

TikTikTikTik I think you can remove fantasia. Wasn't that only for current gen?
If you see what we already know, I really wonder what is still under NDA.
Are we still in for a surprise or what?
 
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Fantastic cut scenes.... just what was needed.. look at the life likeness wow... shame jack all has been changed by the looks but still two years work eh, Seasick must be proud of his team.
Who the hell said I know we need a park bench an old man and a dog cut scene, that's what's needed for our next gen game. Real leagues, money, reality pah, who'd buy that. Konami never fail to underwhelm.
 
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Am I the only one who doesnt know what NDA stands for?

Last I heard it was the National Dyslexic Association.

Non Disclosure agreement i assume. I think game testers sign a sheet of paper when they begin testing games, that says they cannot reveal information about the games they play
 
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I just want to know how the people glorfying these screenshots can honestly sit there and tell themselves they'd rather have cut-scenes of an old man and his dog as opposed to realistic league structures, finances and a proper managerial element to the game. It really does defy belief.
 
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I just want to know how the people glorfying these screenshots can honestly sit there and tell themselves they'd rather have cut-scenes of an old man and his dog as opposed to realistic league structures, finances and a proper managerial element to the game. It really does defy belief.

The weird thing is Football Manager doesn't need random cut scenes in their games. It does fine without them. Why does PES need them? No one would care what cut scenes were in the game if the game had the things mentioned above all in place. I really hope theres a redeeming factor to the game shown at leipzeg that we have yet to see.
 
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@ Han, yeah lets hope there is still something that the NDA is holding back. Thats probably the small amount of hope i have left that there is gonna be something. Next week we will know :D
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/14/07)

aaaaaw great some current gen cut scenes going on a next gen console for a current gen master league on a semi next gen game.

Its just so yesteryear the master league that its completely lost its flavour and runs the risk of bringing PES down.

They have to make more effort on the career aspect of PES2008 to enhance the single player mode, cut scenes dont do that alone.

I just cannot see this years game filling the criteria for next gen, this is only ever going to be the case once they let last gen go and put all the resources into next gen.
 
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people are never happy are they?

You say that as if Konami have bent over backwards to pack the game full of everything they could think of to make it as complete and realistic footballing game as possible and we are still not satisfied.

What we in fact see are cut scenes of an old man sitting on a bench.
 
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Is the Fantasista Mode definitely in pes2008? Or was it just rumoured?
 
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I think it's not.
In a mag it said it was only for the PS2 version.
 
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For FIFA 08 you can save a whole match and it'll convert into a proper video (avi, mpeg ect). Why can't Konami do something like this. I don't think they know how big the game is on PC and how many peopel buy it.

Wow I didn't know that about FIFA08. Sounds great. Again, I'll give the demo a fair chance, but I don't think it will win me over, judging by the gameplay vids I've seen so far.

Fifa has LOTS of fluff. But it's the core gameplay that kills it.

Here's the interview... looks like they DID work pretty hard on it:

Next-gen - PS3 & 360

Is shirt-pulling part of the game?
No however we have done lots of work on physical play including a new jostling system and a re-written collision system with 100’s of new collision animations.

Can we play 2 vs 2 online?
Yes you will be able to play 2 vs 2 online using Multi-Player Co-op

Will the pitch degrade during a match or over the course of the season?
Yes, we have seasonal pitch wear to show how the pitch will degrade throughout the season and improve slightly towards the end of the year when the weather improves. But through the winter months in Manager Mode you will see a noticeable difference. The stadium you’re playing in will also make a difference. For example, playing in a Division 2 stadium will not have the same maintenance as the big top league grounds.

How are the goal keepers going to change based on the new shooting system?
Increasing the variety and realism of the shooting system has allowed us to make similar strides with the GK. Some of these improvements include:

Shot Preparation: The GK will prepare to save by hopping forward to narrow the angle and getting into a crouch position, thus narrowing the angle and enabling him to dive further.

Reaction time: After a shot is taken the GK will take a little time to react to the shot to enable him to ‘read’ the ball trajectory.

Line of sight: If he cannot see the ball being kicked then his reactions will be slower

Anticipation Saves: In 1-on-1 situations the GK will realize that the shot is too close to react to and thus preemptively dive as soon as the attacker starts to kick

Momentum: More realistic momentum will enable the user to wrong foot the GK. If the GK is moving left for example it will inhibit his ability to save shots that go to his right.

Animations: All of the GK animations have been reworked making them more fluid and realistic.

Will there be a full practice pitch in the next-gen version like we have seen in previous titles on current gen; not the arena but the full-on pitch where you can select how many players on each side?
Not for FIFA 08. Our focus was to really invest in our core 11 v 11 gameplay experience and we’re still using our Arena to showcase the new gameplay features that you’ll see this year. The skill move feature alone has a huge impact to what you can do in the Arena.

Will there be more club crest gamer pictures available?
We are still working on our downloadable content plan and will announce something closer to launch

How have free kicks changed from FIFA 07?
We re-worked the free-kick system from 07 and it now gives the user more control over the power and spin of the ball

Will weather be a feature in FIFA 08?
Not in FIFA 08 unfortunately. When we do weather, we want weather to affect primarily the pitch and how the ball and players move across the surface and then we want to ensure our visuals are ultra-realistic with kits, player’s skin and hair and the stadium and crowd all being affected by the weather conditions.

Can we now save replays?
This is one of the exciting new features we’re introducing into FIFA 08. You can now upload your replays directly to a specific location on the internet and then access it straight away. You can now share that replay with the entire FIFA community. We’ve been testing this feature internally and it’s generated a lot of banter and debate as to who has scored the best goal of the day and who had the worst result

Is the crowd 3D?
Yes and they look lovely.

Is there a free-kick editor?
No we don’t have this feature. We spent a lot of time working on the free-kick system to give the user more control over their shot using topspin, backspin and sidespin.

Has defensive heading been improved?
We have done lots of work on our trapping system and our in air trapping system to give the user more control over in air situations. Headers are definitely balanced a lot better this year as a result.

Can keepers get sent off or injured this year?
Unfortunately we weren’t able to add this feature into the game this year but it’s on the list for next year.

Can we use official boots like in FIFA 07 for created players and edit existing players boots?
Yes, we have all the latest official boots in FIFA 08 and you’ll be able to edit existing and created players and select which boots you want them to wear

Are there more official goalkeeper kits?
Yes, we’ve created more kits this year than in any other version of FIFA. In fact I can tell you that we have close to 1400 kits in the game this year. This includes the obvious official home and away kits as well as official goalkeeper kits for all the top teams. We also have a selection of 3rd kits that can be accessed via the Fan Shop within the game.

Will the “You’ll Never Walk Alone” chant be in the game?
Yes, this is one of our many licensed chants. It’s important that we not only convey an authentic performance from our crowd but also ensure that those trademark chants are included in the game. You’ll Never Walk Alone is a chant synonymous with the Liverpool and Celtic fans. I’ve been lucky enough to attend many matches at Anfield over the years and when you experience that atmosphere it really does inspire you to deliver that same sense of emotion in our game.

How many stadiums will there be and will Celtic park be in there?
We will have 30 environments. Unfortunately Celtic Park isn’t included this year but we’ve included the Scottish Premier League in FIFA 08. So you can take the helm as manager of Celtic in our Manager Mode experience and aim to keep the silverware coming back to the Bhoys. Conversely you can always attempt to take newcomers Gretna to glory! We will be launching a request for stadiums you'd like to see us work on for the next game.

Will there be more national teams?
We’ve added a handful of additional national teams. But what we’ve really focused on is domestic football. We’ve added three additional leagues in FIFA 08 on Xbox360 and PlayStation3.

One of the biggest criticisms we had on FIFA07 was the lack of depth and teams. It was our goal to address this for FIFA 08 and we thought let’s not just match the number of leagues and teams in our current-generation of FIFA titles, let’s add a lot more. And that’s what we’ve done. FIFA 08 has more players, teams and leagues than any other FIFA game to date.

Have any new celebrations been added?
We’ve added a few new goal celebrations this year. In addition to this we also play a goal celebration cut-scene based on its importance in the match. Getting the context right and ensuring we have a believable celebration is vital. For example, you don’t want to see the player’s jumping all over each other after they’ve scored a consolation goal while six goals behind!

Will the game be any harder than previous versions?
I wouldn’t say the game is simply more difficult than last year but that the improvements that we’ve made to the AI will provide more of a challenge. Each of our players now process 35 different choices simultaneously making them react far more realistically. There won’t be any cheats or sweet spots for beating the best players. We're very happy with the AI in the game and feel it’s really taken massive steps this year.

Will there be a create-a-player mode?
Yes; there is a create-a-player mode (it's like the one that was in FIFA 07 on the Xbox 360).

Have any changes been made to the goal nets?
We've looked into the physics of the goal nets and made changes to make them look more life-like.

Will you have some shirts tucked in and others un-tucked (Lionel Messi)?
Yes, this will feature in FIFA 08 and each player in our extensive database is assigned to either having a tucked in or loose shirt. Lionel Messi and Wayne Rooney for example never tuck their shirts in.

Seeing the videos, the nets still hardly move. All these years and they still can't get it right. Unbelievable. I remember seeing PES4's nets move for the first time and think "so it is possible?"
 
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I am the only one who believes that "team vision" is just a fancy name for "smarter cheating"???

And the knight where did u see fifa gameplay vids?? As far as i know there is nothing out for PS3 or 360, just some PS" and Wii crap.
 
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Also I just noticed this, how in the name of all things does an image of a random person sitting on a bench with a dog, relate to the increase in popularity of a football team.

I'd probably be less disappointed if they announced the only change in the game was going to be a new selection of hats. At least we wouldn't have got our hopes up so much.

I wish I was as naive as the people clinging onto the idea that something big will be announced at Leipzig. Clutching at straws springs firmly to mind.
 
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And the knight where did u see fifa gameplay vids?? As far as i know there is nothing out for PS3 or 360, just some PS" and Wii crap.
There are 5 videos on the official site and all over gametrailers.com and jeux-video....etc

Wide-view cam looks ABSOLUTELY amazing, but the ball and player movement don't, and neither does the overall team movement.
 
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*notices distinct lack of noise from the fanboy crew* :lol:
 
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*notices distinct lack of noise from the fanboy crew* :lol:

Well of course all the reviews so far said something like " a very good game but pretty much the same" and we have been told that this would be a killer, 18 months in development amazing graphics shirt pulling. It turns out it is better pes6 with cool animations and pub scenes......
 
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I think it's quiet due to the fact that some news has turned out false and people aren't going to quite believe anything else (good or bad) until Liepzig, which is only a week away.

It is gutting though, but I'm told the gameplay is amazing (apparently the realism of the flow of the game, the way that passes are given and received along with movement around the ball, is "incredible"). However, as I said above, I'm also told that the gameplay in FIFA 08 is equally amazing, and very similar to PES (with a lot of PES fans in my contact's department saying they're going to be buying both this year).

But it seems like PES is great gameplay and the same old features, so with FIFA having the extra teams, competitions and online leagues (WOOHOO no more endless friendlies against cheating scumbags), I'm looking forward to testing the FIFA demo when it's released at the end of the month.

Oh and by the way...

Also I just noticed this, how in the name of all things does an image of a random person sitting on a bench with a dog, relate to the increase in popularity of a football team.

:lmao:

That's the first thing I thought when I saw that picture. I imagine that you have five popularity "ranks", the first being a tramp reading a tatty newspaper, the second being a chav reading the news on a stolen mobile phone, the third being a normal person reading the Konami Sun, the fourth being a golfer reading the Konami Very Posh News and the fifth being the Queen sitting on her throne with the newspaper being brought to her by a Corgi.
 
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Jesus those fifa vids look...wow some of the skills and textures, i was a little dissapointed by 07 but this looks a huge step up, key is gameplay though you can polish crap all you like but its still crap, they need an overhaul and from what i see it doesnt look like it has been
 
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Haven't played Fifa since 2003. I'll defo be downloading the demo this year
 
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but I'm told the gameplay is amazing (apparently the realism of the flow of the game, the way that passes are given and received along with movement around the ball, is "incredible").

FIFA's weakest point and PES's strongest.

The way the ball moved, and the way the players moved with it in the FIFA08 vids was terrible. The lobs were also very bad, and demonstrated bad ball physics.

Such a shame for all the extra features into this game.

With a little bit patching, I'm sure PES2008 will be fantastic. But it's always easier to buy FIFA provided they fix the gameplay.
 
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Well of course all the reviews so far said something like " a very good game but pretty much the same" and we have been told that this would be a killer, 18 months in development amazing graphics shirt pulling. It turns out it is better pes6 with cool animations and pub scenes......

Exactly. I can't remember the last time all hands-on reviews and previews of different nationalities were in general agreement that the gameplay was pretty much the same as the last PES.

And the worst thing is, when you read that you say "Well great! So they focused on the graphics this time.":D
Wishful thinking.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/14/07)

Also I just noticed this, how in the name of all things does an image of a random person sitting on a bench with a dog, relate to the increase in popularity of a football team.

Can't you see him reading the papers?
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/14/07)

You know your team's popularity has increased when a random old man starts wearing funny stadium hats and scarfs in the street.
 
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Can't you see him reading the papers?

Ah, I must have missed that. Well that's brilliant, what a great new feature. He's reading a newspaper, that makes everything just fine, there was me worrying over nothing.
 
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