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The Curious Story of Snow in PES Master League​

There is something very interesting that I would like to share with you. I believe that, here in Brazil, I am probably one of the few — perhaps even the only “crazy” person — who went this far in observing this particular detail. Because, yes, I am crazy! Hahaha.

The first time I remember seeing snow in Konami’s football series was back in the Super Nintendo era. It immediately caught my attention.

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Later came the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 generations, in which snow was also absent. It was a weather effect that fascinated me, especially because it contributed significantly to the sense of realism. From one version to the next, I eagerly waited to see how this feature might evolve.

Then the news began appearing in specialized gaming magazines: PES 5/Winning Eleven 9 would be released in 2005 and would feature referees, assistant referees and, most importantly, the long-awaited return of snow.

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I remember the anticipation perfectly. Finally, after several years of absence, snow was back.
And indeed, it was there.

There was just one curious issue: it did not appear in Master League. During matches in that mode, the winter periods would normally feature rain, but snow simply never occurred.

This always intrigued me.

At the time, I used to ask the guys who played at LAN houses about their Master League campaigns:
— Have you ever played a match with snow?

And the answer was invariably:
— No.

Once again, I was left with that feeling that I had received an incomplete gift. After all, snow existed in the game. I could see it under certain circumstances, but precisely in Master League, it disappeared.

I could not understand why.

This led to speculation, conversations and long debates with my friends. Without the internet or accessible technical information, I eventually concluded that it was probably some kind of bug, perhaps related to the files responsible for weather variations.

A year went by.
Then its successor arrived: PES 6/Winning Eleven 10.
And, to my great surprise, snow finally appeared in Master League. It was perfect.
It was exactly what I had been waiting for all those years.

The conclusion I could only reach many years later​

In 2005, I still did not have access to the internet. Our knowledge of the internal structure of games was extremely limited. Many questions simply remained unanswered.
Recently, however, I decided to investigate this issue again in an attempt to understand why PES 5/Winning Eleven 9 did not feature snow in Master League. And the answer was quite surprising.

As far as it seems, it was not necessarily a bug or a corrupted file, as I had imagined at the time. The most plausible explanation is that the absence of snow in Master League was actually a design decision made by Konami.

Master League has a particularly complex structure: it is a fictional competition involving clubs and stadiums that do not necessarily correspond to real-world geography, including South American teams and venues. Properly implementing winter weather conditions in this context would probably have required additional logic to determine which stadiums could or could not have snow.

Perhaps, at that point, Konami simply chose not to implement this possibility in Master League.

In PES 6/Winning Eleven 10, however, something changed.

Snow began appearing normally in the mode, suggesting that the development team had found a more efficient way to associate weather conditions with stadiums or with specific match situations.
It is fascinating to think that something seemingly so minor — simply making it snow during a football match — sparked a curiosity in me that remained for more than twenty years.

At the time, I only thought:
“Why does snow exist in the game, but not in Master League?”
Today, I can finally understand that there was probably far more technical complexity behind that apparent inconsistency.

And now I want to know from you:
Did you know about this detail? Did anyone else notice it back then?
Or was I really one of the few “crazy” people who spent years wondering why the hell it never snowed in PES 5 Master League? Hahaha.
 
drigOrange said:

The Curious Story of Snow in PES Master League​

There is something very interesting that I would like to share with you. I believe that, here in Brazil, I am probably one of the few — perhaps even the only “crazy” person — who went this far in observing this particular detail. Because, yes, I am crazy! Hahaha.

The first time I remember seeing snow in Konami’s football series was back in the Super Nintendo era. It immediately caught my attention.

international-superstar-soccer-deluxe-28_1012872.jpg


Later came the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 generations, in which snow was also absent. It was a weather effect that fascinated me, especially because it contributed significantly to the sense of realism. From one version to the next, I eagerly waited to see how this feature might evolve.

Then the news began appearing in specialized gaming magazines: PES 5/Winning Eleven 9 would be released in 2005 and would feature referees, assistant referees and, most importantly, the long-awaited return of snow.

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I remember the anticipation perfectly. Finally, after several years of absence, snow was back.
And indeed, it was there.

There was just one curious issue: it did not appear in Master League. During matches in that mode, the winter periods would normally feature rain, but snow simply never occurred.

This always intrigued me.

At the time, I used to ask the guys who played at LAN houses about their Master League campaigns:
— Have you ever played a match with snow?

And the answer was invariably:
— No.

Once again, I was left with that feeling that I had received an incomplete gift. After all, snow existed in the game. I could see it under certain circumstances, but precisely in Master League, it disappeared.

I could not understand why.

This led to speculation, conversations and long debates with my friends. Without the internet or accessible technical information, I eventually concluded that it was probably some kind of bug, perhaps related to the files responsible for weather variations.

A year went by.
Then its successor arrived: PES 6/Winning Eleven 10.
And, to my great surprise, snow finally appeared in Master League. It was perfect.
It was exactly what I had been waiting for all those years.

The conclusion I could only reach many years later​

In 2005, I still did not have access to the internet. Our knowledge of the internal structure of games was extremely limited. Many questions simply remained unanswered.
Recently, however, I decided to investigate this issue again in an attempt to understand why PES 5/Winning Eleven 9 did not feature snow in Master League. And the answer was quite surprising.

As far as it seems, it was not necessarily a bug or a corrupted file, as I had imagined at the time. The most plausible explanation is that the absence of snow in Master League was actually a design decision made by Konami.

Master League has a particularly complex structure: it is a fictional competition involving clubs and stadiums that do not necessarily correspond to real-world geography, including South American teams and venues. Properly implementing winter weather conditions in this context would probably have required additional logic to determine which stadiums could or could not have snow.

Perhaps, at that point, Konami simply chose not to implement this possibility in Master League.

In PES 6/Winning Eleven 10, however, something changed.

Snow began appearing normally in the mode, suggesting that the development team had found a more efficient way to associate weather conditions with stadiums or with specific match situations.
It is fascinating to think that something seemingly so minor — simply making it snow during a football match — sparked a curiosity in me that remained for more than twenty years.

At the time, I only thought:
“Why does snow exist in the game, but not in Master League?”
Today, I can finally understand that there was probably far more technical complexity behind that apparent inconsistency.

And now I want to know from you:
Did you know about this detail? Did anyone else notice it back then?
Or was I really one of the few “crazy” people who spent years wondering why the hell it never snowed in PES 5 Master League? Hahaha.
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You know what's really strange? I have this crystal clear (false?) memory of like 20 years ago about playing a snow game in one of my first Master League matches ever on Pes5, like I vividly remember buying Alvarez (one of those rare world class speed, all the rest average/bad stats players) from Cagliari and sprinting in his debut under the snowflakes.

But now that you told me, I can't remember any other snow game in years and years of other MLs played. So weird! I'm starting to think I might have kind of fabricated that memory. I'd almost be tempted to pick up that precise Master League and investigate since I recently found again the save.

(For the records, I'm totally a weather freak too in football games :D )
 
Hello! I came here because I might have luck with my request, does anyone have a video or at least a memory of playing pes2008 pc online? or even the one of ps3, x360 or even ps2?

I have manage to to create up to a room in the game

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but here's the thing on why im asking this... different from pes6 and pes2009 there's no server and room selection! you just jump into this screen after the player selection

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which honestly it's really strange to me, because, why pes6 and pes2009 will have server and lobby selection but this one no? I even found the same packets sent related to lobbies, but im not sure if Im doing something wrong on my end or its how its suppose to be

any help comes handy!

@geeeeee @Juventino32 If this is similar to the ps2 (which I didnt forget but i think i need to reconfigure my whole pcsx2 emulator) we will also have for the ps2

EDIT: I have only found this but its from the room I dont have anything before that

 
@marqisspes6 ,

It's a bit too far too.



Trying to search in Japanese.

Found this but it cuts too soon I think for your needs :



And this one looks like what you need (it's on XBOX Live though) :

 
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marqisspes6 said:
AI helped a lot in this case, same with mcp servers, I didn't knew the changes were that big honestly, but it seems to be still this is very early stage and i haven't yet tested ps2, I have some work done for pes2010 too but still can't get a match working sadly
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and PES 2009?
 
Is there a bug with formation data manager in Winning Eleven 6 Final Evolution? I want to use Classic Germany formation for my ml team, but its just won't work.
 
I'm currently on the process of making my own PES 5 option file from scratch.

What I noticed from the game's PESFan Editor is that in the player editing version there isn't a list with all duplicate players, unlike the PES 6 version of the editor.

Does anyone have a list with all this dupes, or at least know where I could find one? I did try googling it but haven't found any useful results yet.
 
Hi guys, does anyone know a good argentinian league patch for PES 13? I found this one called "Inicial Patch 2013" that has the 1st and 2nd division (with a bunch of stadiums too), but i'm having some weird kit problems. Some teams load a random national team kit for some reason. I tried messing around with the map.txt but the only thing that happens is that the uniforms change, so corinthians started wearing the iran national team uniform (example). I wanted to play in the original PES 2013 JP Patch but apparently the argentinian league there only works in exhibition and Master League, the teams don't show up in Become a Legend. Is it possible to change the argentinian league to one of the 2nd divisions? Would i be able to play in the Libertadores if i did that? Would love to hear an answer about this.
 

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Paulista2003 said:
I'm currently on the process of making my own PES 5 option file from scratch.

What I noticed from the game's PESFan Editor is that in the player editing version there isn't a list with all duplicate players, unlike the PES 6 version of the editor.

Does anyone have a list with all this dupes, or at least know where I could find one? I did try googling it but haven't found any useful results yet.
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Hi, I'm also in this same process myself.

I had to manualy sort the players by nationality and check names.

ML is anyway programmed to not select duplicate players from the NT. But I needed to identify them to apply the right faces and call names when applicable.

I've also identified Konami mistakes regarding the faces. I've documented this list in the release notes of the intermediary versions I published.


From my end, I'm almost there, only need to finish the kits from Ligue 1 and Bundesliga. Editing all the kits is fun, especially the research part around it.

All the best with your project !
 
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Has anybody any opinion of what the hardest formation is to play against on PES 6 (hard for me as the human player to play against). I would like to give a few teams a difficult formation just to make my Master Leagues a bit tougher.
 
Juventino32 said:
From my end, I'm almost there, only need to finish the kits from Ligue 1 and Bundesliga. Editing all the kits is fun, especially the research part around it.
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Completely agree! Researching and doing your best to make the kits look as similar as in real life is one of my favourite things about making my own option file. They almost never look exactly the same but that's part of its charm, to see what you can do with the limited tools you're presented with.

As for what you said regarding my previous question, I'm thankful for your insight and for what you said about the ML, which was something I was actually wondering.

Have a nice one! :)
 
Right now, there's a lot of hype over a game called Heatwarped. And from what I've seen and heard, it seems to be very similar to (if not a copy of) Need for Speed Underground 2.

And I started to wonder, could someone not do something similar for PES? A modern-day version of PES 5/6? Fake players, teams, kits, stadiums, but a copy of the gameplay, perhaps slightly tweaked to add modern features like 360 dribbling and fully manual control, as well as extra animations. I came across a video this morning showing a game called Forever Eleven, which looks like an ISS Pro Evo clone, but in the modern day.

We have patches and mods, of course. But so does NFSU2, as far as I know. This is a separate entity modern-day version. Not sure how it would work, honestly. But surely there's room for such a game
 
FC Bayern said:
Right now, there's a lot of hype over a game called Heatwarped. And from what I've seen and heard, it seems to be very similar to (if not a copy of) Need for Speed Underground 2.

And I started to wonder, could someone not do something similar for PES? A modern-day version of PES 5/6? Fake players, teams, kits, stadiums, but a copy of the gameplay, perhaps slightly tweaked to add modern features like 360 dribbling and fully manual control, as well as extra animations. I came across a video this morning showing a game called Forever Eleven, which looks like an ISS Pro Evo clone, but in the modern day.

We have patches and mods, of course. But so does NFSU2, as far as I know. This is a separate entity modern-day version. Not sure how it would work, honestly. But surely there's room for such a game
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And of couse make it DRM-free !
 
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