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all this talk about favourite pes titles makes me wonder.

A question to you guys :)

What is your current PES that you play the most and why?
I think out of all of them that I played,

WE9LE
WE8LE
WE2008
PES2008
JLWE2008CC
JLWE9AC

I think JLWE9AC is the best of them all. For some reaaon it seperates itself from the others. Every match feels different. Every team feels different. It feels and plays how a real football match should be played. I love FIFA 16 and PES 21 / FL 26 but none give me that OHHH AHHH EHHH type of feeling like JLWE9AC does. I truly get upset for making stupid, dumb mistakes when playing this game. TO ME, it has the best bal physics of any WE/PES title.


If I had to rate them all by a system.

PS1: ISS 98 Pro Evo 2
PS2: JLWE9AC
PS3: PES 13
PS4/PC: (a) PES 17, (b) PES 19 (c) PES 21

Overall best game: JLWE9AC (tier 1), FIFA 16 (tier 2), PES 17 (tier 3), PES 19/21 (tier 4).

But if I had to only pick one and never look back it would be JLWE9AC.

Best of the best
 
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Hola buenas a todos! Una pregunta a ver si me pudiera ayudar alguien, tengo un Parche del 2013 pero en PES 2021 y DesLicencie toda la Liga Española, y me salen los Kits por defecto de Konami, pues bien a la hora de poner mis Kits desde el Modo Editar mirad como me salen...
Quería pedir si sabes alguien sobre Kits o como se puede solucionar, o si me pueden ayudar??
Gracias de antemano! Y disculpen las molestias💪🙏

Hi everyone! I have a question and I'm hoping someone can help me. I have a 2013 patch for PES 2021, and I've unlicensed the entire Spanish League, so I'm getting the default Konami kits. When I try to add my own kits in Edit Mode, look how they appear...
I was wondering if anyone knows anything about kits or how to fix this, or if anyone can help me?

Thanks in advance! And sorry for the trouble. 💪🙏
 

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all this talk about favourite pes titles makes me wonder.

A question to you guys :)

What is your current PES that you play the most and why?
I prefere to play on PC with PES 2021 or FL2026 only with modded gameplays in the exe directly by me.... I’ve never worn nostalgia glasses for previous titles once new title was released; each year I played and learned to play only on the new game.. I used this method since 30 years I play with konami's soccer games.... Now that I’ve got used to the controls and gameplay of PES 2021, I just can’t enjoy the old games any more; Once each time I try to play with one game of PS2 era I don't finish the first half time of the match for the limits of the game, commands and movements of the engine... very boring.... while at the time I loved them so much... but also on PES 2021 I play only some times because get more enjoyment out of trying to tweak the gameplay and seeing the results in-game (so that’s when I play... when I’m testing them 😜 ) than actually playing the game and getting immersed in it for even more than half an hour… whereas I can spend hours testing new gameplay tweaks just to get a feel for how they work and the feeling I can appreciate with gamepad in my hands...

To be honest, video games in general as a form of entertainment have bored me for some time now (since PES2017 time; perhaps because of my age and the importance I now place on other aspects of life), and I hardly ever finish a 10-minute game… These days, apart from the mood-setting aspect, video games no longer entertain me… only on the odd evening when I’m not sure how to pass 10 minutes and want to relax do I play a friendly match against the CPU… although, to be honest, I’ve always done that, ever since the days of PES6… I’ve never actually played through entire Master League seasons from start to finish.

Mind you, back then even games with just 10-minute exhibition matches kept me more entertained, but even then I spent a lot of time on the more famous forums for pes pc (since 2002 – mostly teaching people how to patch the PC versions rather than anything else

Just so you know, if you’ve had the chance to enjoy the Korean version of WE9LE, it was my fault... 👈😜 (the last link still online as evidence)

– back when I shared the PC version with english patch outside Korea market on all international forums where people still played PES5, nobody in the west world of PES even realised it existed in Korea a version of PES5 with a new gameplay with a better felling through gamepad


Note: I’ve always played exclusively on PC, even when the first games from Japan came out (pirated copies bought on the beach from illegal Moroccan vendors) using emulators that were already quite advanced back in the PS1 era. I never had a console to play wiinning eleven or to other videogames
 
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I prefere to play on PC with PES 2021 or FL2026 only with modded gameplays in the exe directly by me.... I’ve never worn nostalgia glass for previous titles once new title was released; each year I played and learned to play only on the new game.. I used this method since 30 years I play with konami's soccer games.... Now that I’ve got used to the controls and gameplay of PES 2021, I just can’t enjoy the old games any more; Once each time I try to play with one game of PS2 era I don't finish the first half time of the match for the limits of the game, commands and movements of the engine... very boring.... while at the time I loved them so much... but also on PES 2021 I play only some times because get more enjoyment out of trying to tweak the gameplay and seeing the results in-game (so that’s when I play... when I’m testing them 😜 ) than actually playing the game and getting immersed in it for even more than half an hour… whereas I can spend hours testing new gameplay tweaks just to get a feel for how they work and the feeling I can appreciate with gamepad in my hands...

To be honest, video games in general as a form of entertainment have bored me for some time now (since PES2017 time; perhaps because of my age and the importance I now place on other aspects of life), and I hardly ever finish a 10-minute game… These days, apart from the mood-setting aspect, video games no longer entertain me… only on the odd evening when I’m not sure how to pass 10 minutes and want to relax do I play a friendly match against the CPU… although, to be honest, I’ve always done that, ever since the days of PES6… I’ve never actually played through entire Master League seasons from start to finish.

Mind you, back then even games with just 10-minute exhibition matches kept me more entertained, but even then I spent a lot of time on the more famous forums for pes pc (since 2002 – mostly teaching people how to patch the PC versions rather than anything else

Just so you know, if you’ve had the chance to enjoy the Korean version of WE9LE, it was my fault... 👈😜 (the last link still online as evidence)

– back when I shared the PC version with english patch outside Korea market on all international forums where people still played PES5, nobody in the west world of PES even realised it existed in Korea a version of PES5 with a new gameplay with a better felling through gamepad


Note: I’ve always played exclusively on PC, even when the first games from Japan came out (pirated copies bought on the beach from illegal Moroccan vendors) using emulators that were already quite advanced back in the PS1 era. I never had a console to play wiinning eleven or to other videogames
Nostalgia Googles ? Lol.....this guy told me same thing when I told him football in the 90s and early 2000s was much better than the product we have today. Back in the day you could have 10 players that could win Ballon d'Or award. I was told I had nostalgia googles on as todays footballers are superior.

These newer games offer better graphics and other enhancements but lack the soul, gameplay and the feel of how a real football match should be played.

I've always said this, if PES 21 was so great, it wouldn't need so many different gameplays which many, if not all offer minimal differences and possibly placebo affect as well. Vanilla PES 21 without any mods makes you want to play 5 matches and be done with. Older PES titles were a joy to play out of the box.

To many, fancy flashy animations and graphics don't mean anything is the gameplay is broken.
 
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Nostalgia Googles ? Lol.....this guy told me same thing when I told him football in the 90s and early 2000s was much better than the product we have today. Back in the day you could have 10 players that could win Ballon d'Or award. I was told I had nostalgia googles on as todays footballers are superior.

These newer games offer better graphics and other enhancements but lack the soul, gameplay and the feel of how a real football match should be played.
I wanted to write nostalgia glasses and not Google... You are right... football on 90s and early 2000s was much better than today...

But regarding konami games at the time I played all games you now still love with the same love you have and more... but not today for me... As far as I’m concerned, each one always had its day every year when the new version came out… In my view, many console gamers remained stuck on the PS2 version, never really getting to grips with the new generations of games that followed or learning how to use them properly… but that’s just my personal opinion as a PC gamer who’s patched every game and been able to enjoy each new edition to the full right up to the very end.


I've always said this, if PES 21 was so great, it wouldn't need so many different gameplays which many, if not all offer minimal differences and possibly placebo affect as well.
Gameplays mods used to be technically unfeasible due to a lack of knowledge… but today everyone (i think most of new generation gamers) compulsively switches between gameplay's mods without ever actually playing any of them only to have the last game-play…

a sign of the times, TikTok-style tossic society

Vanilla PES 21 without any mods makes you want to play 5 matches and be done with. Older PES titles were a joy to play out of the box.

To many, fancy flashy animations and graphics don't mean anything is the gameplay is broken.
You’re right that the standard gameplay gets boring after five matches… that’s why I play it with mods and initially I created my "back to the past" gameplays… otherwise I’d still be playing PES 2017 on my PC but not but certainly games from the PS2 era and rails movements on only 8 directions stick

So you can have your opinions... mine are differents... so accept also that for me PES 2021 it's better not only for graphic and animations as I think to have explained in my previous post.

But as I said, immersing myself completely in a video game has become boring for me anyway… I have much more fun experimenting and occasionally taking my mind off things with a 10-minute game against the CPU


So now I hope to answered to @TheTonyTornado question without touching sensibility of PS2 era game fans ;)
all this talk about favourite pes titles makes me wonder.

A question to you guys :)

What is your current PES that you play the most and why?
 
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I wanted to write nostalgia glasses and not Google... You are right... football on 90s and early 2000s was much better than today...

But regarding konami games at the time I played all games you now still love with the same love you have and more... but not today for me... As far as I’m concerned, each one always had its day every year when the new version came out… In my view, many console gamers remained stuck on the PS2 version, never really getting to grips with the new generations of games that followed or learning how to use them properly… but that’s just my personal opinion as a PC gamer who’s patched every game and been able to enjoy each new edition to the full right up to the very end.



you can have your opinion... mine are differents... so accept also that for me PES 2021 it's better not only for graphic and animations
Gameplays mods used to be technically unfeasible due to a lack of knowledge… but now everyone compulsively switches between patches without ever actually playing any of them only to have the last gameplay… a sign of the times, TikTok-style... tossic society

You’re right that the standard gameplay gets boring after five matches… that’s why I play it with mods and initially I created my "back to the past" gameplays… otherwise I’d still be playing PES 2017 on my PC but not but certainly games from the PS2 era and rails movements on only 8 directions stick

But as I said, immersing myself completely in a video game has become boring for me anyway… I have much more fun experimenting and occasionally taking my mind off things with a 10-minute game against the CPU
Opinions are to be respected of course but also debated as well. Again, if PES 21 was a great game even with mods then why is there so many different gameplays ? What are people chasing ? So many players switch these gameplay mods often which tells me one thing: they are not satisfied. They are investing more time modding the game then actually playing it. What once used to be playing is now called modding.
 
Opinions are to be respected of course but also debated as well. Again, if PES 21 was a great game even with mods then why is there so many different gameplays ? What are people chasing ? So many players switch these gameplay mods often which tells me one thing: they are not satisfied. They are investing more time modding the game then actually playing it. What once used to be playing is now called modding.

I’ve already given you a more detailed answer to that above however, As I said, it’s a sign of the times…

Personally, when I play PES 2021 or FL2026, I stick to my favourite game-plays (2 or 3 max), but every now and then I enjoy playing also many others gameplays from my "Back To The Past" series for PES2021/Football Life – just as you (with old PS2 games) can now switch from the gameplay of WE9LE on the PS2 to that of JLWE2008CC, and in a week’s time you’ll be back playing PES 6, perhaps… So I could ask the same question here to many who still play only with old ps2 games… why do you do it if they’re so much fun only with your prefered game?

There are many ps2 games fans here that writes they change games and play not only at their favorite one

More possibilities make man eager for a change

Back in the day, we only had one game for the whole year

now also old ps2 gamer lovers and collectors have all games in the same time and can choose to switch in each moment
 
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I’ve already given you a more detailed answer to that above however, As I said, it’s a sign of the times…

Personally, when I play PES 2021 or FL2026, I stick to my favourite game-plays (2 or 3 max), but every now and then I enjoy playing others from my ‘back to the past’ series– just as you (with old PS2 games) can now switch from the gameplay of WE9LE on the PS2 to that of JLWE2008CC, and in a week’s time you’ll be back playing PES 6, perhaps… So I could ask the same question here to many who still play only with old ps2 games… why do you do it if they’re so much fun only with your prefered game?

There are many ps2 games fans here that writes they change games and play not only at their favorite one

More possibility make the man eager for a change

One time we have only one game for all the year...

now also old ps2 gamer lovers and collectors have all games in the same time and can choose to switch in each momen
I'm glad you can find and notice gameplay differences once applied on PES 21/FL 26, because I can't.

As far as going back and forth on PS2 title, I'm sticking with JLWE9AC as the primary football game. If I get bored with that, FIFA 16, FL 26 will get some attention.

For pure SKILL based football game, to this day nothing can touch Dino Dini's Kick Off 2 which I also play on my Amiga 500 system. From time to time I also hop on SWOS 2020 system which is GREAT. Having choices is great.. But I also do believe the fun factor decreaaes each year we get older. I'm 41 yrs old now. Gaming thirst definitely decreased. Lol
 
I'm glad you can find and notice gameplay differences once applied on PES 21/FL 26, because I can't.
maybe you have installed a not worked mod... or you haven't deleted your SYSTEM00000000 file before switch to new mod



However Football Life 2026 has it's proper native gameplay by smoke team, respect latest pes2021 v1.07.02 by konami; so It's impossible you can't feel differences between two "native" versions of game if you played enough with vanilla pes 2021

As far as going back and forth on PS2 title, I'm sticking with JLWE9AC as the primary football game. If I get bored with that, FIFA 16, FL 26 will get some attention.

For pure SKILL based football game, to this day nothing can touch Dino Dini's Kick Off 2 which I also play on my Amiga 500 system. From time to time I also hop on SWOS 2020 system which is GREAT. Having choices is great..
I too loved so much kick off 2 and Goal! by Dino Dini at amiga 500 era... but also with emulator today i can't play them anymore... as I said, for me, it's only nostalgia time...

But I also do believe the fun factor decreaaes each year we get older. I'm 41 yrs old now. Gaming thirst definitely decreased. Lol
As Yoda I'm 900 year old so i can understand... 😜
 
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