The referee thread: discuss referees and their decisions

First one definitely, second one not, for me.

Now that's 2-0 to Bayern, I think it's time for the obligatory red card against Barca.
 
How can you not rate the second one as not FK? Shoulder tackle straight between the shoulders from behind... I actually think it's a yellow card to the Bayern player.


Anyway, I don't care who wins CL but it's a tragedy that Bayern gets a free pass to the final through two goals that should never be.
 
Sabatasso said:
How can you not rate the second one as not FK? Shoulder tackle straight between the shoulders from behind... I actually think it's a yellow card to the Bayern player.


Anyway, I don't care who wins CL but it's a tragedy that Bayern gets a free pass to the final through two goals that should never be.
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I agree
 
Lami said:
Seeing the replay, the 2nd goal's not offside. The 3rd goal was a foul though.
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This was a close one, but Sky (Germany) had a very good camera angle and it was clearly to, that Gomez is standing with his right foot behind all other players, so offside !!
It was hard to see for the linesmann, because Robben was in his sight as well as Martinez, after taking the corner kick, so a tricky one.

The third was clearly a foul. In the end Barca can not moan, becaus Bayern could have been given 1 - 2 penalties.

Nevertheless, the bad referee performances have not stopped so far... ;)
 
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IMO we are too harsh on the refs and the linesmen.
The Gomez off-side was far from obvious (in fact, i'm still not convinced it was off-side).
Like i already said the second 'penalty' is very debatable IMO, it was a clear hands but the ball came from very close (and not comparable with Suarez' hands ball).
Personally i'm not sure if what Muller did on the third goal is really a foul. My reasoning is very poor, but nevertheless: it was that obvious that it would be given if that is a foul...6 officials must have seen it...

All this said, i agree that referee decisions are becoming a very important issue for football. There is a need for reflection about this problem. I'm not sure if there are good solutions (sometimes i'm for technology and sometimes against).

Maybe a good start would be to give bans for cheating players.
 
Jesus Gerd, ofcourse it was offside. Pique was Barca's last man and there were three Munchen players behind him, including the corner kicker.

Muller's tackle on the third goal would fit in a hockey rink where the players are protected to take such hits.
 
That Robben goal shouldn't stand. This kind of body check doesn't belong in football.

Once again, it happened right in front of the geezer behind the goal. Platini continues to make a mockery out of the whole thing by keeping those useless guys and pretending he's doing something to improve refereeing. In fact, the refereeing has been the worst I can remember.
 
just out of curiousity, is it really an illegal act in football to set a screen on a player who does not have the possession? the ball was clearly in robben's control there, not alba's. it's an obvious foul most of the time if it would be the other way around, but that incident is not something we often see.
 
The referee was, again, abysmal.

There were 2 clear penalties that should have been awarded to Bayern in the first 15 minutes, and 3 of the Bayern goals shouldn't have been allowed:

1st goal: Foul to Alves, when the Bayern player jumps and puts his hand over him to get the edge. We see a lot of this fouls awarded in the midfield. Hard to see, but it's there.

2nd goal: To me it's clearly offside. It seemed so live.

3rd goal: That is a blatant foul of Muller, an any referee should know this. You CAN'T screen a player under any circumstance if you don't have the ball. Very basic level of rules.

Plus, Alba should have been sent off for throwing the ball to Robeen, that's also so blatant I can't understand it.

So, the ref didn't have ANY of the hard decisions right! How can this happen when there are 6 refs in the pitch? It's ridiculous!

I think Bayern would have won anyway and was very superior, but the refs are having a major impact of results this year.
It's the worse officiating I've watched in years, even worse than in my sunday league. And the extra officials are ridiculous, all this happened in front of them and they didn't do a thing. They could be carton puppets and it would change nothing.

Seriously UEFa has a BIG problem with referees if things continue like that. As I posted before due to the PSG-Barça match, we're talking about NOT KNOWING THE RULES of the game.
 
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It is ridiculous to blame Platini for this.
That is the same thing as blaming a PM for a train accident.
I know that in the end he has the end responsability for everything in European football, but don't think that he has an impact on every aspect of the game.
 
drekkard said:
The referee was, again, abysmal.

There were 2 clear penalties that should have been awarded to Bayern in the first 15 minutes, and 3 of the Bayern goals shouldn't have been allowed:

1st goal: Foul to Alves, when the Bayern player jumps and puts his hand over him to get the edge. We see a lot of this fouls awarded in the midfield. Hard to see, but it's there.

2nd goal: To me it's clearly offside. It seemed so live.

3rd goal: That is a blatant foul of Muller, an any referee should know this. You CAN'T screen a player under any circumstance if you don't have the ball. Very basic level of rules.

Plus, Alba should have been sent off for throwing the ball to Robeen, that's also so blatant I can't understand it.

So, the ref didn't have ANY of the hard decisions right! How can this happen when there are 6 refs in the pitch? It's ridiculous!

I think Bayern would have won anyway and was very superior, but the refs are having a major impact of results this year.
It's the worse officiating I've watched in years, even worse than in my sunday league. And the extra officials are ridiculous, all this happened in front of them and they didn't do a thing. They could be carton puppets and it would change nothing.

Seriously UEFa has a BIG problem with referees if things continue like that. As I posted before due to the PSG-Barça match, we're talking about NOT KNOWING THE RULES of the game.
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Most of the things you mentioned are right, but the second handball is never a penalty. Due to the movement and the fact tha ball from dante came by such a short distance, a whistle for a penalty would have been a shame. This handball was not on purpose.

And there was clearly NO foul by Dante vs Dani Alves before first goal. He was about half a meter behind Alves when he jumped up (with a very good timing). Dani Alves had an absolutely bad timing (nevertheless even with a good timing he wouldn't have any chance to win this ball against Dante) and jumped more backwards than upwards. He jumped more or less into Dante, whos hands "landed" on the chest of Alves. Correct decission by the referees in this point.

But I agree to all you other points ;)
 
we7god said:
Most of the things you mentioned are right, but the second handball is never a penalty. Due to the movement and the fact tha ball from dante came by such a short distance, a whistle for a penalty would have been a shame. This handball was not on purpose.

And there was clearly NO foul by Dante vs Dani Alves before first goal. He was about half a meter behind Alves when he jumped up (with a very good timing). Dani Alves had an absolutely bad timing (nevertheless even with a good timing he wouldn't have any chance to win this ball against Dante) and jumped more backwards than upwards. He jumped more or less into Dante, whos hands "landed" on the chest of Alves. Correct decission by the referees in this point.

But I agree to all you other points ;)
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Hey, the second handball is not a penalty to me either, I was talking about a barcelona defender pushing a Bayern striker inside the area in the first minutes, I only caught a glimpse of it in a replay and seemed definitely a clear penalty to me.

So we agree 99%. About the Dante-Alves, maybe I'm wrong but in the replays, the moment Dante impacts the ball he has both hands on Alves shoulders and pushing him down. I know Dante would have won that ball anyway but doing it like this is not allowed. Call it soft foul if you want but it's there. Just saying. As it was the match Bayern would have scored anyway in the next play, so it didn't have real impact on who's better.

@Gerd, I know Platini himself is not the main culprit of the abysmal officiating in CL, but he's the powerful man behind the competition and he should take responsabilities in trying to address this mess. I'm not talking about the dubious plays, which are hard to see sometimes. But blatant errors in practically all matches shouldn't be acceptable in this competition, and the man in charge to find the solutions is him.
 
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There's another one for the ref thread. Definite pen for me on Reus, not given, Real go up the other end and score.

Couple that with what, 4 incorrect offside goals in the just the quarters and semis so far, alongside the 'pick and roll' from Bayern last night.

For me on goal incidents only, the refs are at lower than 50%!
 
Would have been City playing tonight had the refereeing standard been better

That's what I'm telling myself anyway ;)
 
beachryan said:
There's another one for the ref thread. Definite pen for me on Reus, not given, Real go up the other end and score.

Couple that with what, 4 incorrect offside goals in the just the quarters and semis so far, alongside the 'pick and roll' from Bayern last night.

For me on goal incidents only, the refs are at lower than 50%!
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As I mentioned in CL thread: NO penalty, because Reus hits the defender + the contact was before the line. This I just double checked and it seems the sky reporter was right... ;)

So no bad referee this time ;) :D
 
Sabatasso said:
Jesus Gerd, ofcourse it was offside. Pique was Barca's last man and there were three Munchen players behind him, including the corner kicker.

Muller's tackle on the third goal would fit in a hockey rink where the players are protected to take such hits.
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Watching it on Al Jazeera sports they showed a 'computerized' version of the situation and apparently the Barca player who jumped with the Bayern player who head passed the ball to Gomez was the same one who kept Gomez onside.
 
If Platini is just a ex-legendary player, just a famous face, a pawn with no powers at all, then it's not his fault.
But if he has indeed authority to change things as UEFA president, then he's one of the protagonists of this disaster.

Tonight's refereeing was pretty good though. An exception in this knockout stage.
That was a good shout for the Wembley final. I think, based on that showing, the Dutch ref and his assistants deserve it.
 
Rentboy said:
Tonight's refereeing was pretty good though. An exception in this knockout stage.
That was a good shout for the Wembley final. I think, based on that showing, the Dutch ref and his assistants deserve it.
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Agree on that. Should be noted these days that referees can control a match well instead of always criticizing them. These folks did everything right today, from the decision over the cards up to the offside decisions ,not one fault.
 
S-NipE said:
Agree on that. Should be noted these days that referees can control a match well instead of always criticizing them. These folks did everything right today, from the decision over the cards up to the offside decisions ,not one fault.
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Reus dosnt seems offside to me , I though that was they're only mistake !
 
I hate to bring it up, but what a difference tonight's ref was from Cakir. I mean, barely any cards, most slight contact was no foul. It was like a different sport!
 
Ramos could've been sent off well before his late yellow card, the amount of silly and dirty fouls he made.
 
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