The referee thread: discuss referees and their decisions

beachryan said:
Eeeeesh, it's on a free kick too so the linesman HAS to be level:

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If that's a free kick, then the wall is clearly too close :P
 
Isn't the Pepe vs Drogba position was penalty in Galatasaray-Real Madrid match? So dangreous hit to the Drogba's ankle by Pepe. But ref give nothing. :S
 
hahaha dortmunds winner was offside about 5 times.. and malaga 2nd was offside, shite ref and the 5 linesmans that do fuck all.
also schmelzer should of been sent off when he choke-slammed jesus gámez but instead ref books gámez:CONFUSE:
 
Beach you also forget the foul just before Real's third goal in the home leg. That should have been a foul for Galatasaray.

It seems there is something wrong with the ref system. Are all those refs and linesmen suddenly bad ? That isn't possible. IMO there is something wrong with the refs on the goal line. They are at the wrong side ( i.e. same side as the linesmen).
 
Terrible refereeing all around.

MU - Real
PSG - Barcelona
Dortmund - Malaga
both Galatasaray - Real Madrid matches

Terrible just terrible, mistakes and mistakes and mistakes.. when will this stop?
 
god knows why there is no tv ref in case of goals...like in any other friking sport.

football is getting more and more pathetic, same teams win the main leagues, same teams make it to the CL final, there is hardly any competition these days. spanish league being the most embrassing with barcelona and madrid scoring hundreds of goals each season.
 
UEFA look more and more like clowns after introducing those useless officials beside the goals. I never saw those guys spotting anything or helping in any decision.

Meanwhile, the level of officiating seems to be going downhill. I don't remember UEFA Champions League having that many mistakes 10 years ago, when I watched a lot more football than I do now.
 
I hope there won't be a TV replay for refs , it would make this sport more ugly , mistakes com over and over again and this is what make football even more interesting , sometimes your team get some shits from ref sometimes they get some help this is how it works , as long as ref don't do that with wish im okay with how it is right now !

agree with Rentboy that ref are a bit more poor now days , maybe there should be more work !
 
Yup, Chiellini played nasty yesterday, this wasn't his only scene of that character. I always find it sad to see players do this on this level.
 
Wow... I thought this would be full of comments. Arsenal 's No.. yes ...corner kick, to Giroud's foul to Theo offsides combo to Podi' s goal. Newcastle clearly onside goal disallowed. Then, Sunderland offside goal that was given. Then, The FA Cup Millwall players fighting over napkins n stolen hat . The ref has lost the plot! The Southampton vs WHU goal that went over the line , not given. We see Aquero failed tackle and became an assault with a drop 2footed kick landing in Luiz bum , the danger of a few inches from Aquero going through and entering Luiz bum hole. We could of seen Aquero neck deep inside Luiz.

It's time to produce more refs maybe 11 on the pitch!!! Torres honestly , no rewards for being noble. If , he would of fallen (penalty given) this proof shows , players to fall on contact. Best in your face comment, Wenger, he didn't see any penalty , but we'll take it :LOL:
 
The FA and particularly Chris Foy should be ashamed. What will it take for these stupid FA rules regarding video evidence to change? We see Aguero's two-footed studded tackle in an off the ball situation and no action is taken? What a disgrace!
And Chris Foy, if he said he saw the incident, that means he chose not to show a red, not even a yellow. It just comes to prove that he either isn't suited to officiate at this level or, to put it simply, he's real a knob head.

As for the Arsenal v Norwich match, I don't see a problem with the penalty. Kamara nearly took Giroud's shirt off, for crying out loud! What could you expect?
Some pundits's pointless arguments about it being given by the linesman, and not by the referee are really irritating: does it change anything? Is it any less of a penalty? If anything, the referee, who had a good view of it, is hopelessly incompetent for not spotting that.
 
I don't think Arsenal can particularly complain about the ref and the linesmen in that match rentboy. I agree about the penalty, but the corner should never have been given and the 3third goal was a blatant offside just before the goal (the player who scored wasn't off-side) and arguably just before that Arsenal also committed a foul.

IMO from what i've seen and heard Arsenal deserved their win, but Norwich had reason enough to feel bad about the officials.

And one more thing about the penalty: it was a penalty, but would it been given for Norwich against a big team ? I'm not so sureabout that.

Anyway: Arsenal deserved their win.
 
Rentboy said:
The FA and particularly Chris Foy should be ashamed. What will it take for these stupid FA rules regarding video evidence to change? We see Aguero's two-footed studded tackle in an off the ball situation and no action is taken? What a disgrace!
And Chris Foy, if he said he saw the incident, that means he chose not to show a red, not even a yellow. It just comes to prove that he either isn't suited to officiate at this level or, to put it simply, he's real a knob head.

As for the Arsenal v Norwich match, I don't see a problem with the penalty. Kamara nearly took Giroud's shirt off, for crying out loud! What could you expect?
Some pundits's pointless arguments about it being given by the linesman, and not by the referee are really irritating: does it change anything? Is it any less of a penalty? If anything, the referee, who had a good view of it, is hopelessly incompetent for not spotting that.
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It's FIFA not the FA who dictate that an incident seen by the officials can't be refereed again. Nothing new.

Anyway, it works in your favour more than ours. It means Aguero will play against Spurs
 
Was away so only just seen highlights - how was that not a pen (and red card) on Kompany?! Torres was through, couldn't have been a clearer pulling back, he practically took off his jersey!

Anyway, another set of a matches, another really poor performance from the refs. Wonder if anything will happen (spoiler: no)
 
beachryan said:
Was away so only just seen highlights - how was that not a pen (and red card) on Kompany?! Torres was through, couldn't have been a clearer pulling back, he practically took off his jersey!

Anyway, another set of a matches, another really poor performance from the refs. Wonder if anything will happen (spoiler: no)
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I don't understand. If Chelsea did anything, you would get ban. If it's kicking a ball boy, telling something to the ref. I assume the F.A will ban Torres for getting naked and gesturing blind to referee. And the F.A will start to wank.
 
Mehtab said:
I don't understand. If Chelsea did anything, you would get ban. If it's kicking a ball boy, telling something to the ref. I assume the F.A will ban Torres for getting naked and gesturing blind to referee. And the F.A will start to wank.
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Surely you know better than that. I wanted Chelsea to win that match (i like both Chelsea and Manchester City, but Chelsea a litle bit more because of Hazard).

You make it sound as if there is this big complot against Chelsea. That is bullshit.

I don't believe in collusion theories. Referees are human and they make mistakes. I've already said this: i am a referee occasionally and i can assure you that it is much more difficult than being a player or a coach (i've don both). Most referees have to resolve more dilemma's in one half than most people who criticize them in their entire life.

In this thread you are implying that the refs and the Fa are against Chelsea, in another thread other people are saying that Chelsea is always advantaged...do i have to say more to prove my point.

This said, there is a problem and it is not only in England. In Belgium, the Jupiler League is decided in play-offs. In the play-offs for the top six, every single game until now has been influenced by referee errors.

I think football has reached a point where referees simply can't follow any more, not only because of the speed of the game but also because of different factors.

First of all there is the cheating and diving that makes it extremely different for refs to take decisions. Players X falls down, was there a foul or not ? One has to take a decision in a split second.

And then there is something other (and this is much more important). There is an ongoing tendency to be more and more permissive towards all kinds of fouls. Twenty years ago if a player made contact in the 16, it was always a penalty. Nowadays pundits (don't underestimate their influence), papers, managers and players are speaking about "soft" penalties...that is the equivalent of being " a litle bit pregnant"...either it is a penalty or it isn't.... Same goes for fouls on corners an free kicks and for yellow an red cards.

Yesterday i watched a game in the Belgian play-offs between Standard and Genk (my favourite team). Genk played their best match in the play-offs, yet they lost for the first time and this with 3-0 and after the match everybody agreed that Genk was the better team. Of course this happens in football (it is even what attracts me to it, so i don't mind if it happens with my favourite team), but what was really a shame was that there were no less than 3 fouls which should have resulted in red cards. One of these fouls was after and assault which injured a player (he had to stop the match). The ref hadn't seen the foul but it took quite a while to attend to his injuries. In that time the fourth official indicated that the injury was the result of a foul (the defender tackled over the ball, always a red card). What did the ref do ? He gave a yellow card and the defender and his team mates were outraged. This was the worst possible outcome. Either you give a red card or you do nothing and then afterwards the player gets punished on the basis of the television images (this happens very regularly in Belgium, i can't really believe that FIFA don't want this). Now the defender got a yellow and that was it. Refs, FA's, UEFA and FIFA should at least protect players...this doesn't happen now. That is a major problem.

What we need is a broad debate about the refereeing problem (and i'm not implying that the refs themselves are the problem, i tend to think they are not). A debate between refs, players and managers/coaches. A debate about the use of television images (you know that i'm not so sure if that is the best solution) and other means that could help to solve this problem that is getting bigger and bigger.

I started this thread to discuss about these problems, not for rants of individual fans who think their team is harmed or disadvantaged by the referees. Let's solve this debate in one sentence: every fan thinks is favourite club is disadavanted. Once in a while we all are right to think that, but mostly it's bullshit.

I'm sorry mehtab, this isn't personally directed at you...but i don't want this to become the thread with 47 different collusion theories...
 
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Mehtab said:
I don't understand. If Chelsea did anything, you would get ban. If it's kicking a ball boy, telling something to the ref. I assume the F.A will ban Torres for getting naked and gesturing blind to referee. And the F.A will start to wank.
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I am not one to swear but fuck me that is just pure bullshit.

Have you forgotten that John Terry only got a four game ban for racially abusing Anton Ferdinand? Four games! That's one more than a straight red gets you. If you want to talk about the F.A being lenient, you (as a Chelsea fan) are probably in a very bad position to criticise them for that. Allowing Terry to be racist, is what they've done. Barton got a 12 match-suspension for his acts vs Man City at the end of last season and what Terry did is far worse in my opinion. Look at the difference in the lengths of those bands.

Who are the F.A really looking after?
 
gerd said:
I started this thread to discuss about these problems, not for rants of individual fans who think their team is harmed or disadvantaged by the referees. Let's solve this debate in one sentence: every fan thinks is favourite club is disadavanted. Once in a while we all are right to think that, but mostly it's bullshit.
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Totally agree, Gerd. Other than the referee having the power to decide if he wants a TV Replay or not, there's also another thing I always wanted to see in football: exclusions, like in handball.

A yellow card should imply getting out of the pitch for 5 minutes, leaving your team with one player less.

This, combined with the referee being able to watch TV Replays in the sideline when HE THINKS he needs it and play has stopped, would result in a much more fair sport, easier for the spectators and protecting the fair teams and the attacking ones.

For once, if a player cuts a counterattack with a cynical foul, the player would be awarded a yellow but also stop playing for 5 minutes. This would make all-time-tackles think twice about their behavior. It would allow for more fluid matches due to players knowing that a bad action may imply a bigger punishment for the team as a whole.

It would end quickly with divers as well as they would face 5 minutes exclusions.

There are no drawbacks for those 2 solutions, which combined would improve a lot the sport and make it a lot more fair, which is what we all want.
 
drekkard said:
Totally agree, Gerd. Other than the referee having the power to decide if he wants a TV Replay or not, there's also another thing I always wanted to see in football: exclusions, like in handball.

A yellow card should imply getting out of the pitch for 5 minutes, leaving your team with one player less.



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This rule is done in the states at High School level, except the leaving a team w/ 10 me. My son's team had 3 players off for a yellow and the subs that was forced in for 5 minutes . The subs was below the quality that cAme in. Now, the youth system clubs, don't play that rule.
 
Hey Bebo, didn't know that, it's great! And how does it work? Do you think that 5-10 minutes exclusions make the game better? Are cynical fouls and divers less frequent?

Very interested on this.
 
It's a great idea - as are many of the technology focussed ones - but nothing will ever get done for two reasons:

1. Every year it makes more and more money without changing
2. The game is run by corrupt dinosaurs, who only care about sponsor payments

In American terms, I'd say improving officiating would improve the 'product' and hence could be tied to revenue. But because football is such a compelling beast as it stands, there is no incentive for FIFA to change. Was that World Cup deciding goal actually the result of a handball? Who cares? More people will watch the highlights, more people will read and comment about it, more people will inundate social networks about it and so forth.

Football is turning into wrestling. If I found out tomorrow that certain matches are being 'swayed' by referees to ensure compelling viewing (make title races, 4th place, promotoin/relegation as close as possible) I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. If you were Sky and you were quite literally the only thing keeping the Premier League afloat outside of sovereign wealth, wouldn't you do all you could to maximise viewership figures?

Football is about one thing and one thing only these days: cold hard cash.
 
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