Spanish La Liga Thread

I just wanna know : what made Messi suddenly stop being injured ?
he was like Robben, even worse ..

if you have the answer then you already know why he's performing like that ..
 
jihado86 said:
I just wanna know : what made Messi suddenly stop being injured ?
he was like Robben, even worse ..

if you have the answer then you already know why he's performing like that ..
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messi changed diet, training...

guardiola talk about this, few years ago
 
jihado86 said:
I just wanna know : what made Messi suddenly stop being injured ?
he was like Robben, even worse ..

if you have the answer then you already know why he's performing like that ..
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I guess the fact you are a Real Madrid fan says it all.

Of course Franco in his time did nothing untoward to bend results for his favourite club.

Messi had his diet changed, his training regime changed to an extremely specific plan and rigorous daily exercises involving a lot of yoga.

It amazes me what sort of rubbish conspiracy theorists and those who dislike Barcelona come up with.
 
To be fair, Barcelona seem to be able to put out the same first XI pretty much non-stop. The likes of Messi and Xavi never seem to get injured and given they're always in finals as well as the league they must play close to 60 games a year without a break.

Coupled with the fact Messi gets kicked repeatedly it's fairly amazing and unreal that they're never injured.

That said I don't believe they're doing anything untoward, they're just very lucky.
 
no not that hormones, ask Fuentes if you can reach him ..
in fact, what I meant is, the worse physically you are, the more probable to get injured, and Messi and co didn't get injured, suddenly, since Guardiola came (remember his doping affair in Brescia) .. Only the new players got injured, Alexis and Afellay ..

Barcelona made a pact with the devil so they can make history and write their name in the hall of fame .. Doping, Refferees, Media .... what seems for you to be beautiful game (which is not by the way) is gained by the confidence due to this fake history being written, coz Barcelona has only two (footbally talking) points of power, good possession of the ball, and a tireless talented boy Messi ..

and both points are due to exceptional physical performance, which suddenly appeared in a non-English team .. and we all know by history that Barcelona are the last team in the big teams to have good physics ..

so, I don't care about all that tiki taka bullshit or la massia ...
Barcelona is Messi, and not a normal Messi, but a power supplied Messi ..

anyway, we're watching history being written, but in a dirty way , which is claimed to be clean and beautiful ...
the sad part of the story is, no one will remember the dirty ways ..
 
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Matherto, i think last season Xavi was injured quite regularly.
I also remember Puyol, Iniesta, Afellay and Villa being injured.

"a pact with the devil": that is great. All we need now is some music from the late great Robert Johnson (he was a bleus singer and the legend goes that he had a pact with the devil in order to sing and play guitar like the best...he's one of the all-time greats in music history).

Our friend jihado hints that Barcelona take illegal drugs to enhance their performances. Of course that is not impossible knowing that Barcelona is in Spain and that doping is (was?) widespread among Spanish sports people. And of course we all know that Real Madrid would never do things like that, no drugs, no influencing of the media and certainly no influencing of the Spanish FA and the media.

Am i saying that Madrid does the things our Tunesian Sci-fi novelist is accusing Barcelona? No not at all...all i'm saying is that if those things would happen, it seems very unlikely that only Barcelona would do them. I have much inside knowledge about cycling and i know damn well that if one team takes doping it will only be a very short time before 85% of the riders takes the same product if that first team has good results...

I think we have laughed enough know, i'm sick and tired about the bullshit in this thread. I wonder why clowns like this even bother watching football if it's all about doping and cheating. That is exactly the reason why i watch a lot less cycling.
 
yeah you've gone way out here! This mostly happens in individual sports where the athlete uses to overcome an injury and become stronger and if caught will hold full responsibility but think of the effort Barcelona must have done to convince the players to use these drugs that can have serious side effects health wise on their future. I am not saying it is impossible as it's a corrupt world we live in but that's highly unlikely. And if so, other teams are using as well.

And btw, haven't Barcelona already been tested in the past after some Real Madrid accusations that they Real eventually pulled out of?
 
jihado86 said:
no not that hormones, ask Fuentes if you can reach him ..
in fact, what I meant is, the worse physically you are, the more probable to get injured, and Messi and co didn't get injured, suddenly, since Guardiola came (remember his doping affair in Brescia) .. Only the new players got injured, Alexis and Afellay ..

Barcelona made a pact with the devil so they can make history and write their name in the hall of fame .. Doping, Refferees, Media .... what seems for you to be beautiful game (which is not by the way) is gained by the confidence due to this fake history being written, coz Barcelona has only two (footbally talking) points of power, good possession of the ball, and a tireless talented boy Messi ..

and both points are due to exceptional physical performance, which suddenly appeared in a non-English team .. and we all know by history that Barcelona are the last team in the big teams to have good physics ..

so, I don't care about all that tiki taka bullshit or la massia ...
Barcelona is Messi, and not a normal Messi, but a power supplied Messi ..

anyway, we're watching history being written, but in a dirty way , which is claimed to be clean and beautiful ...
the sad part of the story is, no one will remember the dirty ways ..
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If one even does bother to watch Messi in a game a lot of the time he just walks about the pitch like a little boy lost.

He confines his activity to usually small sustained periods of action so although he plays virtually every game it is not as exhaustive as if he were a central midfielder.

And using the ball to do the work and retaining posession of it is a lot less tiring than chasing around after it.

Needless to say some other nonsensical idea will crop up either trying to denigrate Messi's abilities or claim Barcelona receive special favouritism from the authorities. Sucess breeds envy.
 
Yeah, the stats show that Messi always covers the least amount of ground. So little that even Ibrahimovic used to cover more ground over 90 minutes than Messi when he was there.
 
you are wrong mate. He is just a man, like you, me and averyone else. He just plays football better than anyone
 
It's true, I said it before. We made a pact with the devil and we eat babies for dinner. But, honestly, at last we can confess! Barcelona players clearly take drugs. And the proof of that is:

- Barcelona players are the fastest. That's why Xavi, Iniesta and Pique can outrun the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo so often.
- Barcelona players are the strongest, they win all the clashes and body checks. They love to show their 6-pack at the first chance.
- Barcelona players have suspectful stamina powers. It doesn't matter if they never run more than its opponent. That belongs to another debate.
- Barcelona players shoot harder than the rest, they have steel in their legs so they can shoot from long range all the time, harder than the rest.
- Barcelona players are great in aerial plays thanks to it's uber-doped-bodies. That's why we are amongst the great teams in the world in that.
- Barcelona players don't get injured. Ever. The fact they have sustained 25 muscular injuries this season and have had 4 players out for the whole season it's just a charade, they're just simulating. The fact that Xavi can hardly play 2 consecutive matches is a diversion, a tactic to hide all those miraculous drugs.
- Barcelona players aren't professionals, they can only resort to the needle! And they like it! That's why Barcelona has had more than double of the muscular injuries than Real Madrid this season (to name one of the clean teams, of course).
- We all know Barcelona players take drugs to pass better, have a better vision of the play, take smarter decisions, be tactically better. We all know Messi takes those drugs specifically made for him, those DRIBLEROIDS that allow him to control the ball better and only he can take.
- The team has had more possession of the ball than any opponent for 4 years because we TILT the pitches so we always play towards the declining half. That was smart, Pep!
- We have all the referees paid. That's why we have approximately half the number of penalties awarded than other teams, and that's why we have been awarded 5x times more penalties against than THAT other team.
- We clearly have paid the referres because we've had 7 goals wrongly disallowed!
- We have even the committees and federations bought, because Pepe was banned for months after stepping Messi. Mourinho was banned for months after poking Tito's eye. And that's why Ronaldo and Pepe were also banned for insulting the refs, saying him "motherf...".
- The media are bought. We actually don't score all those goals. It's a PS3 feed connected to all the world TV channels. We have a (doped, of course) monkey playing the PS3 for us doing all those nice things. And that's the signal we emit to the world instead of the real one.

My bet is that you feel like the opponent Monkey in that PS3. And my guess is that you feel as you deserve.
 
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Interesting post drekkard, but I have to correct you on this one:

drekkard said:
- Barcelona players shoot harder than the rest, they have steel in their legs so they can shoot from long range all the time, harder than the rest.
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It should be: - Barcelona players never shoot. Never! Who cares to shoot on goal when you can walk the ball in instead?

Just a little joke, hope you don't mind :D


Well, I wanted to write a short "What if?" post, but than...you made a post of the day in this thread today, so I will wait another chance :))
 
Jesus, I've been out for a few days and when I back people are talking about drugs, hormones and so on. OMG! Anyway, I would like to go back to this "Messi vs Ronaldo" debate:

First and foremost, let me welcome back our great friend Albiceleste. Been a long time mate! I'm pleased you're back on track. :)

So my two cents on this talk:

Last week I was watching on TV a football program and at a certain point they start discussing about Ronaldo and Messi. Then, the anchor asked the pundit: "so what if Ronaldo played for Barcelona and vice-versa?". Immediatly the man said: "You know what? Ronaldo is a better fit for Madrid the way Messi is a better fit for Barcelona. There's no way you can compare them because they are very different from each other".

I fully agree with him. Both are extraordinary players, certainly no one can deny this, and their teams should be glad to have such good players with them. So why is Messi a better fit for Barça? Well, Barcelona's offense works like an orchestra, everything seems to be fine with Xavi and Iniesta taking the wheels. Messi is an extraordinary compliment for those guys. He is a very technical player, he's a good passer, a scoring threat and he has the skills to execute those incredible dribbles in a short space which is important to damage opposing defensive schemes aka "buses". :P On the other hand, Ronaldo suits better the Madridista team because he is all about power and velocity which means that he works like a charm in fast transitions which is Real Madrid preferred style of playing. Besides, when the collective play fails, then you have to pull a 30 yard rocket to break the goal. :P

That said, imo this whole debate about Ronaldo and Messi is a little bit pointless. So let's enjoy the art and gracious of those players (well, I prefer to enjoy the gracious of Pablito Aimar, my fav player :P). Keep in mind this: you are witnessing greatness lads. :)
 
Exactly.

Bottom line is Messi and Ronaldo are two of the greatest players ever!

They are the two best players in the world and head and shoulders above the rest overall.

Let's just enjoy both of them as well as Barca and Real. That's what I do! :P
 
Hey, TSO, long time... To me Messi equals Jordan while Ronaldo equals Lebron.

Personally, I've always liked skill and smart players more than raw power. That's why I think Messi is a genius while Ronaldo is "simply" an extraordinary an immensely gifted player.

Messi is not only about scoring, he is the best assister and when Xavi and Iniesta aren't on the pitch, he takes their role. He can play as a traditional 6,8,9,10 and works in the sidelines as well. He practically can play any position in the midfield and forward lines. He also does a lot of playmaking too before finishing.

Compared to him, Ronaldo is more limited in pure footballing terms. I know Ronaldo can run faster, jump higher and has a great and competitive mentality (some people just ignores this obvious fact). If this were the Olympics, Ronaldo would amass prizes. But it's football, and in the purest footballing skills, Messi is just above anything I've seen, as well as in the "teamplay" concepts, Messi is miles away.

I said Ronaldo has a great mentality, but he's also too temperamental and tends to get desperate when things don't work. Messi hardly looses his temper, hardly moans and hardly spends time doing any other thing than trying to win the game for his team.

I truly enjoy both. I watch a lot (if not all) of Real Madrid matches, and there's inmense quality there. I enjoy a lot of things that Ronaldo does and rate him in the top 20 players I've watched. And he can climb higher before his career ends.

But while Ronaldo is "just" a star player and an incredible athlete, he does nothing that someone had not done before. He's fast, he shoots well and he heads well and he's very determined. What Messi does... no one does or did before.
 
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Cuky said:
Interesting post drekkard, but I have to correct you on this one:

It should be: - Barcelona players never shoot. Never! Who cares to shoot on goal when you can walk the ball in instead?
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It was irony. I've lost the voice more than twice by yelling "shoooooot" to the TV. My friends and I do the same joke, we're sure you can put a microphone and hear a kind of "SHOOOOOT" rumour around all Barcelona city in certain moments of matches.

But then the players DO walk to the net in the following play and score, and you are left with your arsehole face in the couch, and swear you won't moan again about it... until the next match.
 
In terms of a pact with the devil, Barca do seem to be incredibly lucky.

They always seem to get the bounce of the ball. If there's a scrap in the box, it'll always fall to a Barca player. If there's a strange deflection, it'll always fall to a Barca player and usually Messi as well (his goals in the Supercup this year I seem to remember were like that).

United are supposed to have this pact, we've got the damn devil on our shirts for godsakes! :P

drekkard said:
those DRIBLEROIDS that allow him to control the ball better and only he can take.

- The team has had more possession of the ball than any opponent for 4 years because we TILT the pitches so we always play towards the declining half. That was smart, Pep!

- The media are bought. We actually don't score all those goals. It's a PS3 feed connected to all the world TV channels. We have a (doped, of course) monkey playing the PS3 for us doing all those nice things. And that's the signal we emit to the world instead of the real one.
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Genuinely dying laughing at these. :APPLAUD::LMAO:

Dribleroids especially, reminds me of this.

YouTube - Powerthirst
 
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I just wonder their accuracy having sprinkler heads rise up to deflect the ball away from goal and make the whistle blow to make the opponents stop play. After NASA let go of thousand employees , Barcelona hire them to create a special gravity boot expect Messi to jump Crouch height in the near future from a good source ;) or was that the government of RM :THINK:
 
What a great ironic post that was Alex...where is that clown now? It seems he disappeared from earth...good riddance.
 
watch your language, respect me as I respect everyone here ..
when you discuss, discuss the ideas and point of views, not persons ..
anyway, am not obliged to reply to your arguments coz I personnally don't find them convincent ..
so using that word "clown" shows your weakness and disrespect ..
am not gonna use such words to you coz I respect people and refuse to offend them ..
 
Ok, you have a point there. I wont call you a clown anymore.
But you must admit that your "arguments" are a litle bit ridiculous and obviously i'm not the only one who thinks like that...

Don't let the fact that you are a Real fan cloud your judgement. And i still think drekkard's reply was class and funny as hell.
 
jihado86 said:
watch your language, respect me as I respect everyone here ..
when you discuss, discuss the ideas and point of views, not persons ..
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am not gonna use such words to you coz I respect people and refuse to offend them ..
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"Barcelona made a pact with the devil"
"sad part of the story is, no one will remember the dirty ways"

Ideas, "point of views", huh? Let me guess; "facts" because you... know them to be?

I've no problem with allegations of enhancers (my best friend says the whole team is "using" and even he doesn't insinuate it this nasty), but please drop the Mother Theresa "leave no forum member behind" "let me tell you like it is, brother"-attitude. You're clearly not a guy who argues beliefs or who can take a counterargument. Hence the "clown"-attribute which you got attributed.

I'll refer you to Albiceleste's post on the players'work-rate http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2474684&postcount=403 as well as to some tiki-taka youtube videos to understand why the players aren't hit as hard as you'd think. It's hard to pinpoint who has the ball when as soon as you head for the player "with" the ball he's already passed it away. This also reflects on the stamina of the players. The idea is to let the ball do the traveling instead of you.

As for the "dirty ways" that apparently confused people all over the globe mistake for enjoyable play... your description seems fit for one of the dirtiest teams in history. Could it be that MOST people actually enjoy skills and you are the minority who doesn't? I've heard Manchester, Arsenal, [Chelsea:P] fans despise Barcelona and their "boring" tiki-taka but I've NEVER heard anyone say "man, I'm GLAD my team only scores three goals per year from one-twos inside the box". I'd say on the contrary, they seem pretty proud when this happens.

Hands up all the United fans who didn't like Rooney's UCL Final goal because there was just too much passing leading to it

As for me... I LOVE to see a helpless opponent who just can't seem to grasp the ball for 4 consecutive passes. And to feel their frustration... I want to enjoy this for as long as my team can produce. A last minute-winner is breathtaking and spectacular, but call me crazy - when my team is involved, i'd rather see them lead by two at half-time.
 
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