Spanish La Liga Thread

PLF said:
Well done Real!

Guardiola fucked up tonight! Tello was a disaster! Big game came too soon for him! Weird line up decisions, tactical decisions, subs, he's sorta to blame tonight.
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hmm, i think Barca fucked up mid season with some results, then a scenario as this tonight didn´t needed to come at all...

Barca needs to chainge their tactics if they can´t respond to a defensive play as good as Real was performing tonight...otherwise they have small chance or zero chance especially if Chelsea scores..

i do belive if they motivate themselfs against Chelsea, they will play on their half much of the game..but this lose + the one goal difference from away match will be hard to overlook.....

the pressure will be massive, but clearly Barca are not better atm than they were in 2008, Messi might be better, but team-wise, they are not...

i´m sure their fans miss Eto´o...
 
Wow no conspiracy theories! :D Great game to watch yesterday. Certainly the most close and even Clasico since the Guardiola era and I might say Real Madrid were the better and more efficient side and that has been the difference.

Guardiola messed up with Tello. I don't know if he had other choices. Tello is an amazing player with awesome speed but he was very predictable. He either punted the ball and ran towards the keeper which Arbeloa was well aware of and stopped him or he turned and passed back. Too soon for him.

And Ronaldo stepped up. I was very critical at the beginning of the match as he was giving away a lot of balls but then he turned it on with sprints that burned Puyol and really helped in the defensive game of Real Madrid. That's Mourinho for you. Getting Ronaldo to defend. Coentrao did really good also for a guy who was labeled as a disaster. Certainly better than drama queen Marcelo and his antics have been in previous Clasico's.

Congrats to Real on La Liga. If you can beat Barcelona at the Camp Nou then it is deserved.
 
Meh that was dissappointing.iMO it came down to young Tello just being overwhelmed. He surely can finish better than that but his decision making and composure were woeful.

As for ronaldo with the space he was afforded I didn't think he was that impressive. The goal as usual came after a quick break and outrunning Mascherano and Puyol is not the hrdest thing on earth.

Defending has Been barcas problem thes season that Khedira goal was shocking. Puyol should have just cleared it.

I felt the ref could have done a better job. He let so many things just go in the first half. Madrids diving and general behaviour were again questionable. Ronaldos break dancing move was unbelievable thanl god messi doesn't do that crap.

We'll be back.
 
Fantastic performance from Real last night. Really, really great. Jose had a gameplan and stuck to it, and I think this is the blue print for success against Barcelona. The only way to beat Barcelona if they play their possession pressing game, is to know that when you have those 2 or 3 chances in the game on the counter, that you have runners ready to support the counter attack, these may be your only chances of the game, and Real exploited it superbly. The 2 or 3 counter chances they had they looked like scoring, in fact late second half they had a 4 on 3, and could have been the score-line bigger.

I have been these El Classico's absolutely enthralling the last couple of years, and now it seems that Pep has to forge a new plan.

But isn't football an absolutely amazing game. Tactics, strategies, implementation of strategies, player responsibility, space and the use of space.

As a Chelsea fan said last week - 'Barcelona had 75% of the possession; but we had 100% of the goals'!

The modern game has moved on at an outstanding pace I believe, especially in regards to tactics and tactical discipline. Watch QPR v Spurs yesterday, and QPR denied space by defending areas and zones aggressively, but leaving Spurs 2/3 of the pitch vacant.

Teams are so defensively adept now in terms of not conceding from 'possession phases' that the counter attack has become one of THE most potent tactical weapons along with set plays. For all it's intricate passing glory last night in El Classico, the main chances for Madrid were two headers from corners, and counter attacks. Barcelona treat corners as just a way to get the game started so there's no threat there, and have most of the ball in at attacking possessive way in the opposition's third, so there's limited chance of player a counter game. Players are faster, more agile, have more acceleration and speed than ever before, and so teams are getting used to having no possession for long periods against them. The only enemy to teams playing Barcelona now it seems, is concentration and backing yourself to take those rare few chances.

This may not be crisis point for Barcelona yet, but they looked far from special last night I must confess.

EDIT - And PS, the referee was absolutely amazing last night. He could have come down more heavy on the Madrid diving in the second half and running the clock down, but he didn't bottle any Barce decisions. Makes a big difference when Barce aren't given massive home advantage biased referring.
 
ccshopland said:
As a Chelsea fan said last week - 'Barcelona had 75% of the possession; but we had 100% of the goals'!

EDIT - And PS, the referee was absolutely amazing last night. He could have come down more heavy on the Madrid diving in the second half and running the clock down, but he didn't bottle any Barce decisions. Makes a big difference when Barce aren't given massive home advantage biased referring.
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But of course Barcelona have the referee's in their pocket and pay them secret backhanders.

Much like Manchester United.

Real's theatrical display was a disgrace and a deliberate ploy (so much for the tactical side of football) to try and break up Barcelona's rhythm.

Referees ought to get clued up and remove said offenders off the pitch. As usual after one goal on the counter and precious little else the same nonsense of Ronaldo being better than Messi gets spewed out. :FAIL:

Iniesta needs to come into midfield. Pedro take the left, Messi the right and place Cesc/Xavi behind them. There is also a need for Pique to be brought back into central defence and over the summer a genuine striker if Villa leaves and a decent centreback ie Dede or Musacchio.
 
Real Madrid deserved to win yesterday. No discussion possible about that.
I feel for young Tello, this match may have burned him.

Ronaldo was outstanding and stepped up when it was needed, but what a terrific pass from Ozil...

I don't like Madrid but they deserve to be champions and the fact that they beat Barcelona at home gives extra glory to their title.

Congratulations to all Madrid fans.
 
Congrats to Real. They deserve the league, as I had said before. Barcelona has lost the title against Getafe, Osasuna and Villarreal.

Gerd, I don't think Real deserved to win the match at all. Maybe people gets away with the last 10 minutes of the match, when Barcelona had to score 2 and was playing desperately.

I think the match was even but Madrid was a lot more efficient and lucky. They deserved to win simply because they were efficient. Had Puyol cleared that ball (which was the most logical thing to do) I don't know if Madrid could have relayed all the match behind like that. A pitty their 2nd came just after our equaliser.

Anyway, in my oppinion Madrid played the same way they have played the last 4 matches here (and I've watched them all live). But this time I think it was Pep who failed totally. These things happen. It was not only putting Tello in the starting lineup. It was the position of Tiago what totally disrupted the team. It destroyed the balance between lines.

You see, generally Tiago plays when Iniesta or Xavi don't play. It was the first time all 3 of them played together, and proved a disaster. It strengthens the midfield, yes, but eliminates all references upfront. Messi was absolutely isolated because of this. And players failed to do the plays they are used to.

This also forced Alves to play as a mix of Midfielder-Forward and let the wing open for Cristiano. All in all, it didn't work at all. We need to get back to the 4-3-3 with 3 forwards, being Messi the AMF/CF/ST that has free of movement, but keeping the 2 wingers open. Alves makes a lot more damage when he arrives from the deffense, as it takes defenders by surprise. All quite clear to me, but who knows...

Look how in the second half Alexis gets in the pitch, Pep takes out a midfielder and automatically Barcelona generated 2 chances and the goal. A pitty the Cristiano goal came just in 2 minutes. The match was there (and Tiago totally fails to stop Di Maria in the play that sets up the goal).

So, congrats again to Madrid for a deserved title. Let's hope the next season we can take the crown back!

Now we should focus on Chelsea.
 
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goodbye guardiola
thanks for all

i love you forever, you are the best, really, thanks...

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Well this just makes next season more interesting.

I'd love for Pep to take on Brescia in a few years time, completely different project and would be a true test of his qualities.
 
matherto said:
Well this just makes next season more interesting.

I'd love for Pep to take on Brescia in a few years time, completely different project and would be a true test of his qualities.
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i dont think hes going to do it , he cant do anything with teams like brescia believe me , but yeah i would like to see what he can do in a team more "little" and see how hes going to be i really think he'll FAIL !
 
According to Brescia president, Guardiola already told him he'll take a year off. I can only see him in Italy if he decides to coach next season.
 
Valon said:
i dont think hes going to do it , he cant do anything with teams like brescia believe me , but yeah i would like to see what he can do in a team more "little" and see how hes going to be i really think he'll FAIL !
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Yep, because you've seen him screw-up firsthand...give him a break. He just quit one of the (if not THE) most high-profile jobs in world football, where he "happened" to manage that team to a "decent" run of form while he was there.

I do agree with you that Serie A is a very different league tactically and stylistically and it would be interesting to see how Guardiola adapts his tactics and training methods, especially for a team not of the same current caliber and resources as Barcelona. However, if Brendan Rogers can implement possession football in the Championship AND the Premiership, which I'm sure you would agree are both played at a much, much higher tempo than in Italy from watching both Lecce and Liverpool play week in and week out, surely Guardiola can do something similar in Italy and make Brescia a top-10 side as well...which would still be considered a success.
 
The_Special_One said:
Hey drek, we're all waiting for you in the NBA Thread to root against the Heat. :)
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I fear it is a lost cause! I was demolished when Rose broke his knee. All of my fav teams this year are ridden by injuries. Congrats for the league, finally one of your teams won something big! Enjoy it because you largely deserved this joy!
 
drekkard said:
I fear it is a lost cause! I was demolished when Rose broke his knee. All of my fav teams this year are ridden by injuries. Congrats for the league, finally one of your teams won something big! Enjoy it because you largely deserved this joy!
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Thanks my friend. :) Don't worry, next season Barcelona will take his crown back I suspect.
Yes, at least RM won the title but I can't be happy when my Knicks had their 12th loss in PO's since 2001. :(

Review said:
Fuk that noise. I actually like the Heat when they come out running and gunning.
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I like the run n gun too! However, I can't stand with Bron and Wade antics. Nothing against the Heat as an organization.
 
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I can't stand Bron and Wade either. I just like the way they play. That said, I hope OKC wins the title this year. I think they have the greatest fans in the NBA.
 
Great fans, great atmosphere, great squad and good coach.

Heat have great starting players but that's it. I think OKC will take it.
 
lol what's wrong with mourinho's pose there? pretty bad choice by RM staff.

as for the game, it could have been a perfect one if it wasn't for ref's misjudgement disfavouring athletic on some occasions. he overlooked (maybe missed) two handballs of rm players, khedira's one should have awarded bilbao a penalty and also the scoreline could have been even then. on the other hand the red card was pretty harsh on javi martinez yet so easy for the ref. oh well.. whatever. the game was fantastic indeed. it had everything in it and been thrilling to watch at times. huge credits to mourinho for creating a team to watch week in week out. no need to mention the title was fully deserved I guess..

oh and btw let's not forget that the might "pulga" has just broken gerd müller's record with 68 goals and still counting.. :BLINK:

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this is for you tso :P
 
Congratulations Real Madrid!

And congrats to Real Betis who've beaten their arch-rivals Sevilla with a last minute goal to cap off an impressive season back in the top flight where they belong.
 
Kanouté said:
lol what's wrong with mourinho's pose there? pretty bad choice by RM staff.

as for the game, it could have been a perfect one if it wasn't for ref's misjudgement disfavouring athletic on some occasions. he overlooked (maybe missed) two handballs of rm players, khedira's one should have awarded bilbao a penalty and also the scoreline could have been even then. on the other hand the red card was pretty harsh on javi martinez yet so easy for the ref. oh well.. whatever. the game was fantastic indeed. it had everything in it and been thrilling to watch at times. huge credits to mourinho for creating a team to watch week in week out. no need to mention the title was fully deserved I guess..

oh and btw let's not forget that the might "pulga" has just broken gerd müller's record with 68 goals and still counting.. :BLINK:

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this is for you tso :P
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:LOL: Weird pic selection!

Actually, that gif is spot on. "Is this real life? Has Madrid won the damn league?" I always thought it was almost impossible to break this Barcelona hegemony. Mourinho did a very good job at Real Madrid. Not only had he won the title but he has also managed to set a quite enjoyable football.

As for the match, I agree with everything you sorted out. A well played game ruined by a dumb ref. Well, nothing new under the sun...

Oh, Messi is a beast! (nothing we didn't already know...) Both him and Ronaldo are ridiculous good!

Ronaldinho_23 said:
CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL MADRID FANS.
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You're manning up mate! That's very classy man! :)

PS: Talking about gifs...
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