Real Madrid Thread

[Kanouté]

edit: i think Abidal was awsome in this matches..he is such underrated player, fantastic player and person imo.

I was just about to write about Di Maria's stupidity but I was too sleepy then. This guy has no brain, got humiliated by Abidal in his every pointless sliding tackle. He got an infinite energy inside but he never learns and gets even worse after every tackle. He really kills the classy side of his game by himself.

Abidal is such a great one regardless last night but he was really lucky that he had Di Maria with a blown mind pressuring him and he put on a show with his dribblings with a cool mind. Pipa, don't be silly, if Abidal is underrated, any defender in the world is underrated then. If to be underrated means not to get the support of lame fanboys in your book, tell you, this is such a great thing indeed.

 

[tobi]

Pepe needs counselling.

What was said to Ozil that pissed him off so much?

 

[Kanouté]

see this.

 

[drekkard]

Yep, Ozil went to Cesc, who was in the floor because of the Marcelos'savage tackle, and kicked him. Then Villa slapped him. Sad. If Ozil and Villa, who are mostly calmed people, reach this levels... Mourinho should stop inmediately his ashaming attittude. He even justified Marcelo's tackle and Pepe.

Thanks for having Pep as coach instead of this sore loser.

 

[Kanouté]

Yep, Ozil went to Cesc, who was in the floor because of the Marcelos'savage tackle, and kicked him. Then Villa slapped him. Sad. If Ozil and Villa, who are mostly calmed people, reach this levels... Mourinho should stop inmediately his ashaming attittude. He even justified Marcelo's tackle and Pepe.

Thanks for having Pep as coach instead of this sore loser.

could you show me where that contact happened? cuz I see Özil way out of the crowd right after the Marcelo foul and was one of the latest players to get in. don't think he could find Fabregas in the ruckus.

 

[PIPA23]

extended higlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jV20Mf1krtk

 

[drekkard]

could you show me where that contact happened? cuz I see Özil way out of the crowd right after the Marcelo foul and was one of the latest players to get in. don't think he could find Fabregas in the ruckus.

I read it in a madrid newspaper and was on declarations on spanish tv and a catalan radio. It's not on the images in TV, as many other things we won't (fortunately or not) know of that brawl. What ban do you think Marcelo should have? And Mourinho?

If Villa slapped Ozil then it would be around 3-4 matches. It sohuld be the same to Marcelo in my oppinion, but then what on Mou, after doing an agression and the pathetic press conference? 5 matches? To add to those he already has in Champions League?

By the way, did you see the aggression of Marcelo to Messi 15 minutes before? And Pepe slapping Pique? And I didn't hear Mourinho a word about the off-side goal of Ronaldo, neither... He actually said he had acted as a polite man and the main thing to blame for him were the ballboys. He really said that...before justifying Marcelo tackle by saying it was a normal tackle.

 

[besarti]

Well I kinda agree with Mourinho about Marcelo's tackle, I just think it was a bit more aggressive to what a normal tackle should be but there was no reason for tempers to flare after that.
Some Barca players such as Dani Alves , Busquets , Pedro suck because they act too much just like DiMaria.

PEPE rulezzzz nuff said ...

 

[cfdh_edmundo]

I think the Marcelo tackle was pretty bad, at first viewing it might not seem that, but on the replay you can see the 2nd leg (from Marcelo) goes in as well and both legs trap and roll Fabregas's leg, it could have meant a bad injury.

That being said, it was a disgrace the way both benches reacted. But there is nothing surprising about this as both teams players and coaches are badly behaved.

 

[Kanouté]

I read it in a madrid newspaper and was on declarations on spanish tv and a catalan radio. It's not on the images in TV, as many other things we won't (fortunately or not) know of that brawl.

You should have pointed that out in your previous post, too. Just saying. Dunno if this really happened or not but that contact doesn't seem to be possible to me as I stated above.

If Villa slapped Ozil then it would be around 3-4 matches. It sohuld be the same to Marcelo in my oppinion, but then what on Mou, after doing an agression and the pathetic press conference? 5 matches? To add to those he already has in Champions League?

Yep, agree with you about Villa but don't think this would happen. By the way, it's fact that Villa slapped Özil. If you would like to see it yourself;

[HD] Marcelo Red Card vs. Barcelona + Fight - Super Copa 2011

David Villa slapped Ozil!

I don't see it and I watched that like 3 times but I guess he must have because I've never seen Ozil so mad in my life! He was absolutely livid!!

just between 0:37-38, happens just in front of pique and özil's head moves back suddenly.

By the way, did you see the aggression of Marcelo to Messi 15 minutes before? And Pepe slapping Pique? And I didn't hear Mourinho a word about the off-side goal of Ronaldo, neither... He actually said he had acted as a polite man and the main thing to blame for him were the ballboys. He really said that...before justifying Marcelo tackle by saying it was a normal tackle.

Marcelo never matures I guess. I kinda admired by his relentless performance in the first leg but again he showed me why I should always think twice when the matter's him. Marcelo and Pepe, both are funny guys but really can't take being dominated on the pitch and go mad. At least one of them certainly ruins the beauty of football in 'El Clasico's everytime. What shameful act what they did to Messi (Also don't miss Pepe elbowing Messi). I really thought that Marcelo's last tackle wasn't that harsh at first sight but when I look through it in the highlights video, he seemt to have had no intention but making a brutal tackle to Fabregas there. Shame on him first and Mourinho of course.

About the goal, Ronaldo's position was a close call but it wasn't offside. Abidal was just a bit late.

What ban do you think Marcelo should have? And Mourinho?

Marcelo should get banned (and probably will) for like 3-5 matches but then again we all know that even if that happens, later it will reduce to 1-3 matches by appeal from RM. About Pepe, Villa and Mourinho; to me, Pepe should get banned for a number of matches for his ridiculous tackles that he made at every chance but FEF will implement what's written on the books and they are no guard of ethics. That said, Villa and Mourinho would get a max. 2-3 matches ban but I don't really think Villa would even be banned, though. What Mourinho physically did was kinky but not any harsh, he's just gonna pay the penalty of his sharp tongue.

PEPE rulezzzz nuff said ...

 

[drekkard]

About the goal, Ronaldo's position was a close call but it wasn't offside. Abidal was just a bit late.

That's the problem, Benzema may not be the last madrid player to touch the ball. When Benzema shoots, the ball is deflected by Mascherano I think, and then, RAMOS touches the ball very slightly just before Ronaldo. There's a replay where you may see or not (hardly) that Ramos lightly touches it. Fromm my perspective at the stadium it felt clearly as if some Madrid player deflected the ball between Mascherano and Ronaldo (I was just in line). And when Ramos touches it, Ronaldo IS ahead of Abidal. The radio commentators at first gave the goal to Ramos and not Ronaldo in fact. So it could have been offisde.

BUT: These things happen so quickly and are so hard to see (even by TV replay) that I don't mind the referee allowing the goal. To me it's a legal goal because live at the stadium I couldn't really know who touched the ball last before Ronaldo, and the referee and linesman couldn't see, even in the TV replays you can' see clearly who touches it. Besides, in the rules they say in case of doubt allow the goal, so allow it!

What I meant was that if this happens on the other area, Mourinho would be talking about conspirations right now, after putting the finger on someone's eye

Well I kinda agree with Mourinho about Marcelo's tackle, I just think it was a bit more aggressive to what a normal tackle should be but there was no reason for tempers to flare after that.
Some Barca players such as Dani Alves , Busquets , Pedro suck because they act too much just like DiMaria.

PEPE rulezzzz nuff said ...

The fact that Marcelo himself did a previous aggression without the ball to Messi, then Pepe elbowed Messi, then Pepe slapped Pique in the face... it's all very normal behaviour, yes. I wonder what would you think if someone injured Luis Suarez with a tackle like that. Because that's the only thing Marcelo tried to do, harm someone. There's no other explanation for that tackle, and you know it as well as I if you have played football in your life.

 

[bebo]

I did a thorough investigation and I must say. Ozil did NOT step on Cesc . I think David was livid with Cesc on the floor and he wanted to protect him and lashed out! David slapped players before this isn`t his first or last slap.Tensions were extremely high n build on emotions. David slap ozil unintentionally I think he saw blurr and slapattack
I do admire fellow countrymen trying to help each other and removing emotions from the frame. Mach- Higgi, Dani is a parasite!!! along w/ pepe they do no favors. Barca/RM should have a advert on sportsmanship ... more footy less drama but then we won`t have this conversation now, would we ?

 

[drekkard]

Yep, agree on that Bebo! By the way, if Ozil was to come towards me with those awkward eyes he has and shouting in german, I don't know what my reaction would be!

And if nothing had happened, we wouldbe talking more about football, which is a shame!

 

[bebo]

Yep, agree on that Bebo! By the way, if Ozil was to come towards me with those awkward eyes he has and shouting in german, I don't know what my reaction would be!

And if nothing had happened, we wouldbe talking more about football, which is a shame!

too bloody right mate!

 

[The_Special_One]

First of all, congratulations to Barça and all his fans. You played great last night but I’m still thinking that you have a lot of space empty in your machine to improve your game and get back the stylizing football you have been practising over those last seasons.

Secondly, I’m ashamed with Mou. I regret such kind of behaviour that the Portuguese coach showed last night. That’s a disgusting attitude from a person who should be an example for those millions of people who love this beautiful sport. I've mentioned Mourinho but I could have referred Ramos, Pepe and Marcelo as well, those “little boys” must man up and act like professionals, professionals that respect their opponents and the crowd. Once again, I confess, I’m ashamed with all these guys. As a Madridista I should apologize all of you, not only the Barça fans but also the whole football nation.

After ranting at my own team, I have to confess this to you. I’m a little bit tired of read all those commentaries regarding Real Madrid behaviour. The impression I have is that you think that every single person at Real Madrid, and the club itself, aren’t decent and lacks the so called gentlemanship.

Another impression is that Barça-Madrid is some kind of a battle between Saints and Evils. I see no one in here criticizing that c*nt called Pinto (I still remember what he did in Madrid last April) who reminds me those NHL players that some teams have just to provoke the rivals and break the ice. Again, no mention to David Villa insulting Özil and his Islamic religion. I my opinion, disrespect a religion is worse than a bad tackle or a slap in the face. Back to the “little boys” I told before, Piqué, Busquets and Alves should also be included in that group. They pretend to be saints but they are as bad as Pepe. Moreover, those boys act like freaking divas, every single touch on them and the guys fall down like leafs in the autumn. Oh gosh, that is so f’n annoying! How I wished all players were like Abidal or Kaka’, truly classy people.

And what’s this? Still praying that 5-0 result?

Sorry, if I were too aggressive, it wasn’t my intention at all, but I couldn’t stand anymore with those childish acts, BOTH from Madrid and Barça.

 

[Kanouté]

Yep, agree on that Bebo! By the way, if Ozil was to come towards me with those awkward eyes he has and shouting in german, I don't know what my reaction would be!

And if nothing had happened, we wouldbe talking more about football, which is a shame!

Haha Just one thing, Ozil swears only in Turkish. I saw him swearing at refs at any decision he isn't pleased of many times. Sounds cowardly but most people don't care about language when they get mad, though.

Again, no mention to David Villa insulting Özil and his Islamic religion.

OMG is it really true?

 

[Aboutreika18]

Doesn't Villa have an anti-racism clause in his Barca contract as well? Certainly Villa must have said something really bad to him, never seen Özil completely lose the plot before like that.

 

[Zeem]

There has been reports about an insult but might be total BS but I have never seen Ozil this angry. This is his first red card btw ever. If it is true, it will be the worst thing that has happened in all these classicos.

And I don't get the whole drama around the tackles and dives. In the last Milan derby, Thiago Motta literally stomped Thiago Silva's testicles and van Bommel could have broken Sneijder's legs on three incidents. Not to mention when Zlatan karate kicked Materazzi to the hospital and nothing the ref couldn't stop happened. This has been a pitiful act from both teams.

 

[Kanouté]

I'm looking forward to Özil enlightening us in the next days.

 

[The_Special_One]

OMG is it really true?

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/10024773-mesut-ozil-david-villa-insulted-my-religion

 

[PIPA23]

Again, no mention to David Villa insulting Özil and his Islamic religion.

who said this, Özil himself? I´m pretty sure Abidal is muslim as well..I doubt this would come from Villa..

And what’s this? Still praying that 5-0 result?

that´s the number of Supercopa de España this Barca team won since new era in 2005 upwards.. (2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011)
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About Mourinho, there is not many other persons that personificate a club than the players on field and their coach.. THEY are creating the image of the team, THEY should be 100% responsible for their actions mate.. nobody cares about assistent coach or physio coaches.. even if they were the best gentlemans..

 

[PIPA23]

there is one comment i find interesting regarding the muslim insult.. as i personaly don´t think Villa had any close contact - not even by face - to Mesut.. looking at the video from the incident, Mesut was already pulled in the second away from all..

here is the comment:

Ozil is a muslim. A slap in the face is a serious insult in their culture. Thats why he's so upset. I'm disappointed in Villa for doing that, but also in Marcello of course. Shame that the game had to end this way.

If this is true, then it might not have been any words from Villa.. i realy don´t think he would say something to him towards his religion..

 

[Kanouté]

Özil is not a religious one who'd think like in the comment. A slap in the face may remind of an insult in Muslim culture but it never crosses any Muslim's mind except some ultra-religious ones. I highly doubt that if this is why he's so upset.

 

[drekkard]

Another impression is that Barça-Madrid is some kind of a battle between Saints and Evils....
I told before, Piqué, Busquets and Alves should also be included in that group. They pretend to be saints but they are as bad as Pepe.
Moreover, those boys act like freaking divas, every single touch on them and the guys fall down like leafs in the autumn. Oh gosh, that is so f’n annoying!

First of all, congratulations for 85 minutes of great football by both teams. It was a very entertaining match. And I don't think you have to be ashamed to anyone. The players and coaches that acted wrongly are the ones to be ashamed, not you. Real deserved better in the first match, but we have Messi.

Abut Ozil, I don't know how realiable is that source so I wait. Ozil received an impact by Villa (voluntarily or not, depends on the source), and that's the moment he changes his attittude, so I don't know where religious insults could fit well there.

I won't defend Alves, Pinto or Busquets, because they are laughable pricks. But I don't know what you have to say against Pique, when the only thing he did was receiving a slap of Pepe. I've never seen Pique trying to kick an opponent's head, diving or violently tackle anyone or trying to do an aggression off the ball. Not even Busquets or Alves are trying to harm the opponent on a daily basis. I think you have something else against him, and I wouldn't put him in the same bag as Pepe in my life. Busi and Alves may as well be idiots, but Pepe and Marcelo are violent idiots, which I'm sorry to say it's way worse.

About players diving and doing theater, yesterday I counted 2 times Di Maria jumped in the air without anyone touching him, and 3 times Ronaldo trying to exagerate a fall when he had been stolen the ball. Pepe simulated a foul the same way as Marcelo. Some Barcelona players do it and some Madrid players do it, but I don't think at all Barcelona players dive more than Madrid ones. It's as ashaming on both sides, if anything.

About players falling easy (which is a different thing than diving), could you do a video of yesterday's minimal contacts that where whistled as a foul? I would be glad to see what is considered minimal contact, because in Casilla's oppinion, Fabregas dived.

 

[Lami]

Guess its ok to slap people from all faiths apart from Islam then. I'll slap my neighbors tomorrow see if I get a smile.

 

[PLF]

Özil is not a religious one who'd think like in the comment. A slap in the face may remind of an insult in Muslim culture but it never crosses any Muslim's mind except some ultra-religious ones. I highly doubt that if this is why he's so upset.

Yeah I doubt it as well.

And I doubt David Villa in the middle of all that then suddenly would say something about Islam?!

We'll find out more soon I guess but this is probably some stupid random accusation. Ozil was probably really pissed off because he got slapped and let's face it, everyone of us would be!!

 

[bebo]

Guess its ok to slap people from all faiths apart from Islam then. I'll slap my neighbors tomorrow see if I get a smile.

I thought slapping with his shoes was (offensive)...Didn`t see the world in out cry when a muslim reporter threw his shoes at George Bush! I`m tire of this behind the religion bit! so what? muslim fight each other by slapping their lower backs? I really don`t get this at all maybe I`m use to radical muslim than the average human being law abiding citizen one.

Religion /cultures will always clash, to respect one you`re disrespecting another. Be like Jesus "they don`t know what they`re doing "attitude.

 

[Kanouté]

Guess its ok to slap people from all faiths apart from Islam then. I'll slap my neighbors tomorrow see if I get a smile.

Keep in touch, bro.

 

[The_Special_One]

I won't defend Alves, Pinto or Busquets, because they are laughable pricks. But I don't know what you have to say against Pique, when the only thing he did was receiving a slap of Pepe. I've never seen Pique trying to kick an opponent's head, diving or violently tackle anyone or trying to do an aggression off the ball. Not even Busquets or Alves are trying to harm the opponent on a daily basis. I think you have something else against him, and I wouldn't put him in the same bag as Pepe in my life. Busi and Alves may as well be idiots, but Pepe and Marcelo are violent idiots, which I'm sorry to say it's way worse.

Honestly, Piqué is a prick like the others are but in a different way. Imagine a woman’s bag. A woman’s bag usually has a looooooooot of pockets (that’s so annoying, when she asks you for the mobile phone you spend all your free time searching the damn phone over the 1993249129327327 different pockets she has in that bag ). Pepe, Alves, Pinto, etc may be fit well in the same pocket but surely Piqué should to be in a different one. He is a prick when acts like a child joking his Spanish NT team mates for a 5-0 results showing his hand to them. He might be a very good person outside the pitch but I would never forget how bad he was that night.

Anyways, instead of talking about pricks we should praising truly classy people like Kaka’, Abidal, Carvalho and Guardiola.

About players diving and doing theater, yesterday I counted 2 times Di Maria jumped in the air without anyone touching him, and 3 times Ronaldo trying to exagerate a fall when he had been stolen the ball. Pepe simulated a foul the same way as Marcelo. Some Barcelona players do it and some Madrid players do it, but I don't think at all Barcelona players dive more than Madrid ones. It's as ashaming on both sides, if anything.

About players falling easy (which is a different thing than diving), could you do a video of yesterday's minimal contacts that where whistled as a foul? I would be glad to see what is considered minimal contact, because in Casilla's oppinion, Fabregas dived.

I can’t deny what is undeniable. Ronaldo and Di María dived a lot, fact, simple, no discussion in there. Oh and you are an unfair person because you just picked THE DIVER! Di María is f’n ridiculous, GOAT in that diving department! (just a little joke to break the ice ) But you’re right when you separate waters. Diving is one thing and falling down easy is another. I won’t make any video because I don’t have time to do it. Football analysts and experts are out there in TV, radio and papers to do that kind of job. However, I’m pretty sure that Barça players “easier fallers” than Madrid ones. A slight touch, a player down. That theatrical impression you passed out are implying in your game. Underline the “impression” word, doesn’t necessary mean your players are actors, it is just the impression they gave to us, and I use the expression “us” as a result of others thoughts I received from lots of people I’ve been talking to, some of them who sympathize with Barcelona. I also read the Barcelona topic and I found that Beachryan had the same thought as I. Maybe this is just an opinion coming from who loves the English Premier League and intends football like a contact sport. I like an aggressive game (in a good way of course, I reckon that there were some ridiculous moments last Wednesday) with both teams giving what they have to get their result.

One thing is sure: it’s ashaming on both sides. Oh and I don’t buy that Casillas opinion at all, the only thing I would buy from him is the lovely girl he is hooking up.

About Mourinho, there is not many other persons that personificate a club than the players on field and their coach.. THEY are creating the image of the team, THEY should be 100% responsible for their actions mate.. nobody cares about assistent coach or physio coaches.. even if they were the best gentlemans..

I don’t buy this at all too mate. So you work for a company and your CEO is known to being a prick. Are yourself a prick too? Are all the workers pricks as well? I don’t think so. Clubs, companies, countries and so on are bigger than people. The one doesn’t represent the whole.


About Özil, well, at a first glance I thought that Villa insulted him with words. Apparently he was insulted with acts, slapping your face is surely an insult, and I don’t care if it is or not against his religion, he has the right to feel insulted. Waiting more explanations.


I think this talk will never end. We are discussion points of view and when it comes to this, people never get back, they just stand in their own. Personally, I prefer to talk about transfers, tactics, goals and so on. Overall, I prefer football over polemics. And in the football department Barcelona were SIMPLY BETTER than Real Madrid. Period.


Just one last note. Kudos to Aléxis for his very fair points. If both Barça and Real players were like you football would be even more enjoyable.

 

[drekkard]

Well mate, that's a great post and you know we agree almost in everything (some differences may be still or else we could never debate properly!).

I know Barcelona players fall to the ground more than others in physical matches. And maybe it's a deffensive strategy of the team against over-aggressive teams. But most times, the foul exsit and only certain players of the squad are known to be diving/cheating idiots. I guess there's always a % of idiots in any human group.

Personally, when I'm at the stadium and I feel a player is feigning, Ialways shout "get up and play!" as I also like the Premier style of play. I wish the latin countries didn't have this absurd obession for cheating, and I'm not talking about football alone. I would gladly go to live to Sweden and let all this corruption and cheating behind... but hey, at least we have the sun!

Hope we see more sportive matches though I think someone should do something, put exemplar bans to a lot of people and draw the line. Something must be done to stop this uglyness every time these teams meet.

And congrats again for the first 85 mins of playing, it was very exciting!