PES2010 discussion thread

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On the Konami blog Jon Murphy has said feedback has been excellent with most saying this is the best pes ever. That worries me a lot, no way is this the best ever in my opinion.
 
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Ive just bought it on a whim. Ive been playing FIFA and enjoying it but recently it has started to piss me off when teams like New Zealand are just as good as Spain, closing you down really quick..I tried the demo again for about 3 games and enjoyed it..maybe I just want a change for a bit who knows.
 
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Daytripper said:
On the Konami blog Jon Murphy has said feedback has been excellent with most saying this is the best pes ever. That worries me a lot, no way is this the best ever in my opinion.
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That worries me too. It's certainly not the best ever. I would say all the last-gen PES games are better than 2010, maybe even PES6 (XBox360) was better, but it's back on the right track at least.

Even the forum members over at WENB are highly critical of PES2010.
 
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That survey seems like it would be very helpful. Maybe it should be posted in the first post as well until it closes?
 
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Jamezinho said:
That worries me too. It's certainly not the best ever. I would say all the last-gen PES games are better than 2010, maybe even PES6 (XBox360) was better, but it's back on the right track at least.

Even the forum members over at WENB are highly critical of PES2010.
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It's without a shadow of a doubt the best and most realistic PES I have ever played by a long way. Here are a couple of reasons for me personally.

- The highest level of individuality for the players yet.

- The tactics, player cards, sliders give you so much control over your team and AI.

- The massive emphasis on first touch, genius.

- The best looking PES ever.

- The best ML, BAL ever. CL and Europa.

- The most challenging PES I have ever played.

I really dont understand what people want, unless of course they prefer a more arcade style experience. Fifa will give you that on fully assisted.
 
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Gameplaywise this isn't the best PES, IMHO that would be PES4 or 5...
The ML on this one is really good and i also the BAL mode.
 
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For me its surpassed PES5 tactically and graphically but gameplay wise PES5 is still the best football game to date. The PS2 games were 8 directions but the sense of control was a lot better and it never felt rigid to the point that it blatantly stands out like it does in 2010. There are a lot of other little things too that PES5 had that this game doesn't.

Also dribbling wise PES6 was the best.
 
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The survey didn't include any questions about untucked shirts, yet more proof Konami don't have their finger on the pulse of the community.
 
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Intrepid said:
The survey didn't include any questions about untucked shirts, yet more proof Konami don't have their finger on the pulse of the community.
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I hope for you that this is a joke...two years ago i would have been certain that it effectively was a joke...now i think you really are serious. I honestly don't see what the added value of untucked shirts could be. You could also ask for th occasional streaker or pitch invasion by a dog, an owl on the goal...
 
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I'll paste what I posted on another site, maybe someone finds it helpful.

On another note, I've tried my ways of altering stats to get the best out of this game. Currently, imo, the AI passes the ball too fast for my liking it is impossible to intercept any. It is almost like a pinball game :| Therefore, I tried lowering all stats related to speed; top speed, acceleration, dribble speed, long pass speed and short pass speed. First, I lowered them all by 30. It felt good but a bit too slow. Then tried 20, then 10. At -10 I felt the game pace was just about right but still needed perfection so kept on tweaking. Finally, I thought to myself that I don't have problems with their agility, neither the long pass speed, nor top speed and acceleration. My gripes were with the passing, and running with the ball, those 2 were utterly unrealistic. So there it was, I lowered DS, and SPS by 10. Voila! The game felt perfect. Reminded me of the old PS2 games.

What is good about this is, keeping top speed and acceleration untweaked and only tweaking dribble speed by -10 made the balance between running with and without the ball just perfect, as that is how it is in reality. This way, not every player can run all day with the ball and opposition play catch up. Now, someone who had a dribble speed stat of 85 for example, has been lowered to 75, so defenders with top speed/acceleration in the 70s can actually catch up to him, which is, imo, pretty realistic. Why? Again, because someone running at full speed in real life would obviously run faster than someone running and kicking a ball about.

BUT, here is whats good about this as well, because the top speed and acceleration have been untouched, the player with the ball can still make use of them! How? By knocking the ball forward, which is done by pressing the sprint button repeatedly, I think you all know that anyway. This is also realistic too, because obviously when you knock the ball far ahead, here you take full advantage of your speed abilities.

About the passing speed now, ah not much to talk about it except it just flows at the right pace and interceptions are happening!

This has definitely changed the game to perfection imo, playing a totally different game. Now when I lose, I don't pull my hair :lol: I have lost 3 times since I've changed this and I was completely cool. Before tweaking the stats I couldn't handle losing because I thought I never had the chance to even try intercept or defend because of the pinball and suicidal runs, specially when playing Arsenal, it was plain awful.

Try it out guys! :D
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Jimmy G-Force said:
It's without a shadow of a doubt the best and most realistic PES I have ever played by a long way. Here are a couple of reasons for me personally.

- The highest level of individuality for the players yet.
Disagree. Last-gen PES felt more individual because it had a much bigger range of running and kicking styles which is not the case with PES2010.

- The tactics, player cards, sliders give you so much control over your team and AI.
Agree. Although I do miss the individual player run arrows and the 'covering' setting for players.

- The massive emphasis on first touch, genius.
This is true but I don't feel it is any better than it was in PES5. First touch has always been crucial in all the decent PES games.

- The best looking PES ever.
Can't argue there.

- The best ML, BAL ever. CL and Europa.
Again, 100% agree.

- The most challenging PES I have ever played.
Not so sure. I think the defences were better in PES5, where both the act of defending, and breaking down a defence was more of an art. I think shooting was more difficult as well.

I really dont understand what people want, unless of course they prefer a more arcade style experience. Fifa will give you that on fully assisted.
I want PES5 with a next-gen twist. That seems to be the general opinion on most forums. PES2010 is a very solid game and great fun, but it still has a long way to go before I can rate it higher than any PES on the PS2. PES5 is the best football simulation to date in my opinion. It is also my opinion that PES2010 is more arcadey than PES5.

Regarding your point about Fifa: yes, that game isn't worth playing on fully assisted. I'm not an advocate of fully manual controls as you know (kills any player individuality), but passing and shooting using Semi-assisted controls gives a much more open and free experience than PES. Passing in Fifa using Semi is an absolute joy and if you get sloppy you make mistakes. Konami needs to look at a copying this as I think it could work side-by-side with the stat-driven gameplay. As it stands PES is just simply too rigid and on rails. It needs freeing-up.
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My replies in red. Just trying to offer an alternate opinion.:COOL:
 
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zeemeister said:
Thanks Lami. But what about teams that have low stats already?
And did he only change dribble speed and short pass speed?
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He is actually me :P

Yes after altering so much with all the speed stats, thats is the conclusion I reached. Try it with Barca, Real, Arsenal and tell me what you think.

I've done it to all teams, even ones with lower stats. I had to keep the balance going and keep the difference in quality between bigger and smaller teams.

Felt much more satisfying to be honest, even though I've lost 3 times now but it was fair and square.
 
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Sorry, I knew not you were him.
I intend to do the online update get the best OF out there and tweak the stats to perfection before I start my ML.
The BAL is keeping me entertained but the AI passing is too zippy.
 
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Gametrailers review is the best one out there. I think reviewers should wait a bit longer than 2 hours before making up their mind.
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
It's without a shadow of a doubt the best and most realistic PES I have ever played by a long way. Here are a couple of reasons for me personally.

- The highest level of individuality for the players yet.

- The tactics, player cards, sliders give you so much control over your team and AI.

- The massive emphasis on first touch, genius.

- The best looking PES ever.

- The best ML, BAL ever. CL and Europa.

- The most challenging PES I have ever played.

I really dont understand what people want, unless of course they prefer a more arcade style experience. Fifa will give you that on fully assisted.
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i strongly disagree with most of what you have said but each to their own pal :))
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
It's without a shadow of a doubt the best and most realistic PES I have ever played by a long way. Here are a couple of reasons for me personally.

- The highest level of individuality for the players yet.
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I have to really disagree with that one. This is the first PES, which to my horror, i really can't feel much player individuality. I'm still playing PS2 versions, as i much prefer the gameplay.

And PES 2010 is not the best PES ever. That's crazy talk.
 
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Professor Nutmeg said:
I have to really disagree with that one. This is the first PES, which to my horror, i really can't feel much player individuality. I'm still playing PS2 versions, as i much prefer the gameplay.

And PES 2010 is not the best PES ever. That's crazy talk.
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Fair enough for those who disagree.

As for player individuality, I really dont understand how PES 5 has better ? Kicking and running animations are eye-candy, cosmetics, they have nothing to do with the individual traits and subsequent performance of the players abilities.

The stats of the players still work in the same way, but now you have Player Cards that work and give you far more control over the AI of your team mates than the position arrows ever did. They also add huge indivduality to each players performance. You also now have defenders that are less mobile, less agile, and play more like defenders do in real life. They lack the control of the more skilled creative players, which is how it should be. This is a massive step forward player individuality.

Passing as an example is so much more individual now, through balls in particular. No longer can defenders play pin point threaded through balls in the air or on the deck like they could in previous PES games. Also the timing of the through pass has to be perfect. The same applys to strikers unless they have the relevant stats. Drogba for example in other PES games could make decent through balls, now he cant. Thats realistic as thats not his area of expertise, this is now highlighted correctly. It's now a lot more player specific. I actually love to see a through ball overhit, it adds pure realism. If you play PES 2010 in the way is it's meant to be played, utilise the strengths of the players attributes and avoid their respective weaknesess, then the football that is capable of producing is breathtaking, and in my opinion, highly realistic.

In previous PES games, skills or tricks, feints etc were based on dribbling accuracy levels. This is no longer the case with introduction of the Player Skill cards. Also, with regards individuality, in previous PES games, players could very easily be played 'out of position' and still reap the benefits. This again is no longer the case. In 7 ML campaigns I have checked this theory many times, and playing a player out of position massively reduces his effectiveness, basically lowering his stats 'behind the scenes'.

I could literally go on forever about the individuality being massively increased in PES 2010, this is a simulation of football. Yes the ref's are crap, and people may feel the ball is passed too quick, but that point is subjective. Players in real life have differing levels of passing speeds, all dependent on their technique. In order to show a players weak passing speed there has to be an alternative opposite for comparison. I would still like it reduced slightly, but I can do that myself. As for the first touch being the same as previous PES games, well I'm sorry but in my opinion that is so far from the truth it's not even funny in my opinion. This feature was something that stood out very, very cleary to me from the minute I first played the demo, as I have stated many, many times.

PES 2010 for me is the best I've played, it has so many more features available. Shooting, passing, tricks, feints, tactics, sliders, player cards etc etc etc. I really dont feel there isnt anything I cant do in real life that I cant replicate in PES 2010. And it has that feeling, the passion, and the soul.

Thats how I feel anyway, if people feel different, then so be it.
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
Fair enough for those who disagree.

As for player individuality, I really dont understand how PES 5 has better ? Kicking and running animations are eye-candy, cosmetics, they have nothing to do with the individual traits and subsequent performance of the players abilities.

The stats of the players still work in the same way, but now you have Player Cards that work and give you far more control over the AI of your team mates than the position arrows ever did. They also add huge indivduality to each players performance. You also now have defenders that are less mobile, less agile, and play more like defenders do in real life. They lack the control of the more skilled creative players, which is how it should be. This is a massive step forward player individuality.

Passing as an example is so much more individual now, through balls in particular. No longer can defenders play pin point threaded through balls in the air or on the deck like they could in previous PES games. Also the timing of the through pass has to be perfect. The same applys to strikers unless they have the relevant stats. Drogba for example in other PES games could make decent through balls, now he cant. Thats realistic as thats not his area of expertise, this is now highlighted correctly. It's now a lot more player specific. I actually love to see a through ball overhit, it adds pure realism. If you play PES 2010 in the way is it's meant to be played, utilise the strengths of the players attributes and avoid their respective weaknesess, then the football that is capable of producing is breathtaking, and in my opinion, highly realistic.

In previous PES games, skills or tricks, feints etc were based on dribbling accuracy levels. This is no longer the case with introduction of the Player Skill cards. Also, with regards individuality, in previous PES games, players could very easily be played 'out of position' and still reap the benefits. This again is no longer the case. In 7 ML campaigns I have checked this theory many times, and playing a player out of position massively reduces his effectiveness, basically lowering his stats 'behind the scenes'.

I could literally go on forever about the individuality being massively increased in PES 2010, this is a simulation of football. Yes the ref's are crap, and people may feel the ball is passed too quick, but that point is subjective. Players in real life have differing levels of passing speeds, all dependent on their technique. In order to show a players weak passing speed there has to be an alternative opposite for comparison. I would still like it reduced slightly, but I can do that myself. As for the first touch being the same as previous PES games, well I'm sorry but in my opinion that is so far from the truth it's not even funny in my opinion. This feature was something that stood out very, very cleary to me from the minute I first played the demo, as I have stated many, many times.

PES 2010 for me is the best I've played, it has so many more features available. Shooting, passing, tricks, feints, tactics, sliders, player cards etc etc etc. I really dont feel there isnt anything I cant do in real life that I cant replicate in PES 2010. And it has that feeling, the passion, and the soul.

Thats how I feel anyway, if people feel different, then so be it.
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PES has HUGE problems in the way the stats reflect the real footballers...
Excuse me but Christiano Ronaldo is NOT a GOD....
REAL is FIVE points behind barca in Primera for chirsts sake and its nearly godlike in PES....If any skilled player uses REAL the other side is DOOMED 99% it can kill Barca easily just because Seabass is in love with Ronaldo...
Unless KONAMI executes on the spot the stats departemnt PES will continue to have this cancer....
 
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The individuality in PES has always been let down by the fact that the player attributes have been so poorly judged.

I remember PLF and others on here making up corrected player attributes for a lot of players, and when those were used, the invididuality really did seem realistic, it's a shame the people who edit the database at Konami are nowhere near as good.
 
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I remember when they had a deal with the FM guys, its very disappointing that nothing came of it.
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
It's without a shadow of a doubt the best and most realistic PES I have ever played by a long way. Here are a couple of reasons for me personally.

- The highest level of individuality for the players yet.

- The tactics, player cards, sliders give you so much control over your team and AI.

- The massive emphasis on first touch, genius.

- The best looking PES ever.

- The best ML, BAL ever. CL and Europa.

- The most challenging PES I have ever played.

I really dont understand what people want, unless of course they prefer a more arcade style experience. Fifa will give you that on fully assisted.
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half the cards are daft or pointless, does agbonlahor/walcott need any invitation to 'speed demon' wow! fox in the box? mazing run?, early cross? just WOW! if i have the ability then I should be able to early cross by using the... early cross button (LT + cross) and my long pass stats decide, if im in position to cut back - then my short pass accuracy should decide??? ARGH!!!. Lampard has free roaming??? he never roams ...that's kaka, ronaldinho, joe cole at best ...lampard??? it's a joke

first touch has always been decisive in pes, clearly so in pes6

individuality??? if you are talking about balon d'or nominees - yes outside of that lets be perfectly honest it's pretty generic (every player with <70 dribble accuracy has zero individuality)- yes not every one can measure a perfect chipped through ball but what happens then is that only the super players can measure a chipped through ball, many players the breadth of la liga, serie A etc are skilled and technical but this is not represented

theres nothing individual about the sticky touch shuffle lesser players and most defenders perform when you attempt to change direction - it's ridiculous

there's nothing individual about any and every player from the super teams telepathic ability to whip an inch perfect cross and every striker being blessed with the ability to connect a bullet header while under a pressure from a defender even arshavin...

the disparity in 'individuality' means any decent striker has miles better reaction/speed than the defenders marking him on a cross - but wait a second how many times a game or even in an entire premier league match day or this weeks champions league did you see a team score several prefect headers from crosses - it's so ridiculous online that real boys just fly down the wing and whip one in even if backing the goal - just cross and ye shall score

i noticed in this and your subsequent lengthy post you made absolutely no mention of online? maybe offline is where it's at for you but dude have you played online? at all? all your illusions will be shattered in a flash

the only individuality online is top speed and shot accuracy which means ronaldo, messi, benzema, ibra, eto rule, slide tackle a 'normal' player and you win the ball, slide tackle messi ronaldo and you're wasting your time, they always come out with the ball (after losing it it just magically falls in their favour)

this game is not a patch on pes6 - it's broken in so many ways, the defensive switching is so random (offline the AI may allow you cope with this by not attacking as ruthlessly) backing off again again - this is the first pes where that's the case and online it's exposed, you can drive a lorry between the 2 CB's

the keeper rushes outside the 18 uninvited and misses the route 1 ball? - why?! DO NOT 'ON RAILS' THE KEEPER OUTSIDE THE 6 YARD BOX UNLESS I CALL HIM' players like zigic, lorente cannot control a ball in 10 touches (try it) ...just because they're tall??? Lorente is on the fringe of the spanish squad but his touch is like a pensioner on a rusty 3 legged zimmer frame

Essien can't shoot from range??? but ballack is a crack shot with the long ranger card (you know the programmers don't watch real football cos they're both in the same team and one only scores long rangers and the other has never scored one??? - individuality is for super players only!) and this card can be switched on and off? playing at RB, CMF, DMF give essien a sight of goal and he will have a pop ...card for that?

Drogba CANNOT execute most feints except the chop cos his dribble accuracy is <80?? just WOW, the guy pulls quick turns and trick with ease but now he has the stick shuffle touch of a defender when changing direction... wrong on so many levels dude - i could go on forever
 
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trunker said:
half the cards are daft or pointless, does agbonlahor/walcott need any invitation to 'speed demon' wow! fox in the box? mazing run?, early cross? just WOW! if i have the ability then I should be able to early cross by using the... early cross button (LT + cross) and my long pass stats decide, if im in position to cut back - then my short pass accuracy should decide??? ARGH!!!. Lampard has free roaming??? he never roams ...that's kaka, ronaldinho, joe cole at best ...lampard??? it's a joke

first touch has always been decisive in pes, clearly so in pes6

individuality??? if you are talking about balon d'or nominees - yes outside of that lets be perfectly honest it's pretty generic (every player with <70 dribble accuracy has zero individuality)- yes not every one can measure a perfect chipped through ball but what happens then is that only the super players can measure a chipped through ball, many players the breadth of la liga, serie A etc are skilled and technical but this is not represented

theres nothing individual about the sticky touch shuffle lesser players and most defenders perform when you attempt to change direction - it's ridiculous

there's nothing individual about any and every player from the super teams telepathic ability to whip an inch perfect cross and every striker being blessed with the ability to connect a bullet header while under a pressure from a defender even arshavin...

the disparity in 'individuality' means any decent striker has miles better reaction/speed than the defenders marking him on a cross - but wait a second how many times a game or even in an entire premier league match day or this weeks champions league did you see a team score several prefect headers from crosses - it's so ridiculous online that real boys just fly down the wing and whip one in even if backing the goal - just cross and ye shall score

i noticed in this and your subsequent lengthy post you made absolutely no mention of online? maybe offline is where it's at for you but dude have you played online? at all? all your illusions will be shattered in a flash

the only individuality online is top speed and shot accuracy which means ronaldo, messi, benzema, ibra, eto rule, slide tackle a 'normal' player and you win the ball, slide tackle messi ronaldo and you're wasting your time, they always come out with the ball (after losing it it just magically falls in their favour)

this game is not a patch on pes6 - it's broken in so many ways, the defensive switching is so random (offline the AI may allow you cope with this by not attacking as ruthlessly) backing off again again - this is the first pes where that's the case and online it's exposed, you can drive a lorry between the 2 CB's

the keeper rushes outside the 18 uninvited and misses the route 1 ball? - why?! DO NOT 'ON RAILS' THE KEEPER OUTSIDE THE 6 YARD BOX UNLESS I CALL HIM' players like zigic, lorente cannot control a ball in 10 touches (try it) ...just because they're tall??? Lorente is on the fringe of the spanish squad but his touch is like a pensioner on a rusty 3 legged zimmer frame

Essien can't shoot from range??? but ballack is a crack shot with the long ranger card (you know the programmers don't watch real football cos they're both in the same team and one only scores long rangers and the other has never scored one??? - individuality is for super players only!) and this card can be switched on and off? playing at RB, CMF, DMF give essien a sight of goal and he will have a pop ...card for that?

Drogba CANNOT execute most feints except the chop cos his dribble accuracy is <80?? just WOW, the guy pulls quick turns and trick with ease but now he has the stick shuffle touch of a defender when changing direction... wrong on so many levels dude - i could go on forever
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I really dont know where to start here to be honest.

Firstly, yes I play mainly offline. 8 seasons on ML gives me a decent understanding of the game. The Player Cards make a huge difference, either you havent played the game enough, or you dont really know what your looking for, and I dont mean that in an insulting way.

As an example, Emnes for me in my ML always struggled with the accuracy and consistency of his general passes and his through ball's. After giving him the Passer playing card, the difference to his game is like night and day. If I time the pass correct and the run is on 8 times out of 10 he will complete the pass, with pretty much perfect weight. I play with the same set of players game in game out, so I can see VERY cleary the difference it makes. The same thing goes for the 1st touch Player Card, that has massively improved many of my ML players ability. The 1 on 1 Finish Player Card once issued to my strikers has improved their finishing around the box by a good 50%.

The Attacking Card, Balance and Defence all have massive implications on which runs the players make, that is also like night and day. To the point were if for some reason I have forgot to activate the Attacking Card, I can notice it during the game immediately by the postioning of my players, and I then switch it on.

The Fox in the Box, Mazy Run Cards etc I have never used as none of my players in my ML have it. I would be very surprised though based on the Cards I do use that they do nothing at all. Why have them in ?

The sticky touch shuffle you mention, although not the best to look at visually is there to serve a purpose to a theory, which is all based again around individuality. It's to show the difference between technical players and non-technical players. Defenders are more likely to be dispossessed by quick strikers looking to nick it off their foot due to the cumbersome nature of a defender. The exception to the rule are for players like Alves, Cole, and Ramos et al, which are represented accordingly in PES 2010. This has never been highlighted to such an extent in any PES game. Again adding to the individuality.

As for any player with 70 dribbling accuracy having no individuality ? What about the influence of every other stat they have ? Sure they cant pull off the advanced feints but that doesnt mean they cant excel in other areas of the game.

And any player with 80+ with dribbling accuracy can pull off all the feints, including Drogba, so I'm not sure where you get that from. Try tapping forward then down or up and watch how quick he turns.

I agree with the fact that Real Madrid and Barcelona online are still way too good in a ranked match. Alot of this though is down to the default 'Regular' AI setting that comes with a ranked match. I play online in a Community and play on Top Player AI and the defence is far better and can cope with Messi and Ronaldo etc. The bottom line is that PES has always been completely stat based, obviously we are never going to get every player exactly how we think they should be, alot of that is subjective anyway. I have played the likes of Barca and Real online in a ranked match and it did infuriate me that I was getting beat by players that just looked to use the cut-back and sprint button. I had hoped this would have been sorted but it hasnt, the best PES player doesnt always win in a ranked match, due to the likes of Real and Barca being so good and the Regular level AI being so shit defensively.

When you play with one of the lesser teams, you instantly feel the lack of quality throughout the team. Then play with Real or Barca and your at the very top end of the food chain and it's reflected accordingly. The bottom line is when your facing the likes of Kaka, Ronaldo, Benzema and co, your facing the cream of world football.

There is a fine line though between making the worlds best players god-like. I remember everybody moaning with PES 5 because Henry couldnt out-sprint a slower defender, and how unrealistic that was. Now it's the other end of the scale, although not as much as 08 and 09.

You say Lorente cant control the ball because he is tall, but Ibra can take the ball dead, and he's tall. This also highlights what you have said about PES 6. Yes all PES games have incorperated the 1st touch, but none have done it as drastically as they have in PES 2010, in my opinion.

As for PES 6 being far better, maybe if you prefer a more arcade attacking style game. I played PES 6 on my PS2 about 8 months ago and couldnt beleive how arcadish the gameplay was. It was like playing Fifa on fully assisted but with individuality. Pressing pass with my eyes closed found a player with ease. I think PES 6 was where Konami started to move away from a more simulated approach. We then got the horrific PES 2008, which I hated with a passion, and PES 2009 which was a big improvement but still nothing like the realism of PES 2010.

Anyway, we all see games differently I guess so each to their own.
 
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I haven't played the game for about a month and then started to ear people saying the update fixed response issues and decided to try it out. By coincidence I bought a new TV (Samsung LED 37'').

So I went and download both the patch and the update and noticed that the game speed changed quite a bit and the response times were a lot better.

I thought it was the patch/update but when I played it at my friend's house samsung new series 7 LCD the game was again slower (altough it seems a bit better than before) and the response times were, again, an issue.

When I got home that day I tried it again on my TV and the game really is faster. Both of us have the TV on game mode but the speed of the game is different in both TV's. When I play it on my TV I love the game. The pace is very nice, I can control the players and the ball, I'm not always loosing the ball, I don't run of the pitch all the time, etc.

Now I'm really enjoying the game. I know what you're gonna say: I'm seeing things, and that there's no way this is true, but trust me it really is.

If you have a friend with a LED tv try it at his house. I didn't mess with the TV settings besides putting it on game mode.

In my opinion, the game is probably faster because my TV is not processing anything, and this reduces the latency.

If you think about it, the faster you see things on the TV the faster you can react to it. Like making a turn, shooting, passing without traping the ball, things like that.

Now imagine you are seeing the game at a slower speed than the game's "real" speed. When you see your player going out of bounds on the screen he already is out of bounds on the PS3, you just haven't seen it yet. This causes you to press pass more than once, shoot more than once, stop when it's to late, etc.

It completely changes the game.


Does anyone think this makes sense? Anyone else experienced this?
 
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Bojador said:
I haven't played the game for about a month and then started to ear people saying the update fixed response issues and decided to try it out. By coincidence I bought a new TV (Samsung LED 37'').

So I went and download both the patch and the update and noticed that the game speed changed quite a bit and the response times were a lot better.

I thought it was the patch/update but when I played it at my friend's house samsung new series 7 LCD the game was again slower (altough it seems a bit better than before) and the response times were, again, an issue.

When I got home that day I tried it again on my TV and the game really is faster. Both of us have the TV on game mode but the speed of the game is different in both TV's. When I play it on my TV I love the game. The pace is very nice, I can control the players and the ball, I'm not always loosing the ball, I don't run of the pitch all the time, etc.

Now I'm really enjoying the game. I know what you're gonna say: I'm seeing things, and that there's no way this is true, but trust me it really is.

If you have a friend with a LED tv try it at his house. I didn't mess with the TV settings besides putting it on game mode.

In my opinion, the game is probably faster because my TV is not processing anything, and this reduces the latency.

If you think about it, the faster you see things on the TV the faster you can react to it. Like making a turn, shooting, passing without traping the ball, things like that.

Now imagine you are seeing the game at a slower speed than the game's "real" speed. When you see your player going out of bounds on the screen he already is out of bounds on the PS3, you just haven't seen it yet. This causes you to press pass more than once, shoot more than once, stop when it's to late, etc.

It completely changes the game.


Does anyone think this makes sense? Anyone else experienced this?
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Yes, definately the TV can make a difference. It only seems to be the case with PES though. When PES 2008 (Spit !!) came out I had a 42" Wharfdale Plasma and the game wouldnt run without a massive amount of lag. I had to change my T.V. for it to play. Then I realised it was shit, and went back to PES6 on the PS2.
 
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