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@jIMMY if your hitting brazil ok then usa (gomito & co)should be ok then.is it just exhibition games or can you try CL mode?
 
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buzzyhead said:
@jIMMY if your hitting brazil ok then usa (gomito & co)should be ok then.is it just exhibition games or can you try CL mode?
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You can only play Exhibition on this mate. But at least its a 10 minute game.

I just played a lad there from England who was your sterotypical PES 2009 online player. Pressuring constantly, trying to sprint all the time, and looking to round the keeper. Nothing worked for him. The pressure was working before I upped the postional switch slider up and reduced my compactness. My players went wider and switched postions quickly, which created more options and let me move the ball around quicker. This beat his pressuring tactic, and could he fuck round my keeper. :LOL:

He was a decent player as well, just a very 2009 style glitch exploiter.

He deserved to lose.
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
You can only play Exhibition on this mate. But at least its a 10 minute game.

I just played a lad there from England who was your sterotypical PES 2009 online player. Pressuring constantly, trying to sprint all the time, and looking to round the keeper. Nothing worked for him. The pressure was working before I upped the postional switch slider up and reduced my compactness. My players went wider and switched postions quickly, which created more options and let me move the ball around quicker. This beat his pressuring tactic, and could he fuck round my keeper. :LOL:

He was a decent player as well, just a very 2009 style glitch exploiter.

He deserved to lose.
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You on PS3 XBOX or PC Jimmy?
 
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Urban said:
I'll agree fully orangeball.

Now move along. People like you will come and go all the time. Full of hot air and nothing to contribute.

Clearly with your eyes covered in red untucked mist you fail to realise people will patch for this so all the make-up you want Konami to do is falling on deaf ears.

Seabass said himself a good few years ago and also hid a message in one of the previous games which you could decode with the Hex-editor they(KCET) were well aware of people patching their game and had no problems with it but it was the profit hunters on Ebay who he did have a problem with so had to make things more difficult to patch and which is why edit options will be cut.

The vote is nothing more than a PR exercise.
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Thanks for saving me a lot of time responding yo this guy and his concept of "realism" zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

maxxpower said:
So just to clarify this whole buying the European version rather than the North American version ordeal. I live in the U.S., and I will be buying the European version(I don't want to wait until november 10), I have an HDTV but I don't have the hi definition cable, I use the default cables to connect my PS3 to my HDTV. So my question is

I should be able to play the European PES on my U.S. PS3 and HDTV with no problems right? And the European Option Files should work too right?
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That is 100% right.

However, having your PS3 connected to your HDTV via standard audio video cables is just nonsense. You lost the chance to see the gorgeous graphics of the game. I will give you an info Jimmy's does not have :D LOL

www.monoprice.com for cheap HDMI cables, probably at $2 one cable, and they are all good, dont hesitate because they are cheap. I have bought from that store before with zero problems. Give it a try, since it is a US online store.
 
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Urban said:
You on PS3 XBOX or PC Jimmy?
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Xbox 360 mate, I downloaded the online demo and burned it to disk. I will buy a slimine PS3 on Friday as I have took the day off work. ;)

www.monoprice.com for cheap HDMI cables, probably at $2 one cable, and they are all good, dont hesitate because they are cheap. I have bought from that store before with zero problems. Give it a try, since it is a US online store.
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See what I mean Maxxpower, my advice isnt worth a carrot. You just saved yourself 18 bucks :WHISTLE:
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
Xbox 360 mate, I downloaded the online demo and burned it to disk. I will buy a slimine PS3 on Friday as I have took the day off work. ;)



See what I mean Maxxpower, my advice isnt worth a carrot. You just saved yourself 18 bucks :WHISTLE:
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LOL xD for everyone at the US without a HDMI cable this information is more than useful! xD
 
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I have played about 10 games now and I have to say for me, its the best PES ever, the gameplay is incredible!

I can't wait until the decent patches come out, the only thing that lets this down is the unlicensed teams
 
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Absolutely cannot wait for the release now, especially after hearing all the positive comments from some pretty well-respected members on here. Already setting up a league with friends now, getting the stat sheets filled in as we speak.

Here's my Pro schedule for the week of release and what i shall start from tomorrow:

MONDAY - Ring around stores like a crazy person.
TUESDAY - Ring around stores like a crazy person.
WEDNESDAY - Sometimes a store i know sells on this day, so if you live in the Merseyside area i can point you in the right direction.
THURSDAY - If not then he will definately have it this day, failing that it's ASDA at midnight.
 
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This is a shame!
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Konami should publish an official patch the same day 22!
 
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What is the difficulty in the online demo?

In previous games its been Regular for some reason.
 
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buzzyhead said:
Remember when i said about ten minute games,the difference is chalk & cheese isnt it?
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Definately. On the 5 minute demo it feels like I have just laced up my boots and the ref has blown for full time. I have barely given a cameo.

What is the difficulty in the online demo?

In previous games its been Regular for some reason.
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Good question. It is set to Regular. But PES 2009 was set to Beginner. So big difference. Your CPU AI is alot better.

LOL xD for everyone at the US without a HDMI cable this information is more than useful! xD
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I concur. :LOL:
 
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WENB Review :

Sometimes in football you have to go backwards to go forwards. Setting up play, creating space, or just maintaining possession – at times it makes sense. Football analogies aside, PES 2010 is a game Konami built from community involvement, and created from past achievements. Going back to their simulation roots, Seabass and his Tokyo team have responded to continued criticism aptly, and created a football game that reaches out to all the fans who have followed the series for over a decade.

And its the fans that will see the true beauty of PES 2010, as the game does require a settling in period. Its something that hits you quite quickly when you play your first match, and can be a jarring experience. You might think the delays in movement and player response is just down to you being dazzled by the incredible graphics (which we’ll salivate over later), but quickly you’ll understand its part of the game.

To a seasoned PES player competing with response times is alien, and left me shaking my head when playing the game initially. After a few games though you start to become accustomed to it, and begin to understand certain players need a bit more extra time in completing particular movements. It can be very frustrating, especially with the tough organised defences to break down. Once you’re over that high hurdle though, the game starts to shine and you in-turn start to enjoy the experience. And for those who chose to stay the course, you’ll be rewarded with the first PES on next-gen that ticks all the console-qualifying boxes.

Perhaps hand-in-hand with the response times, the game instantly feels slower, taking a massive step away from its predecessor. This creates a more realistic playing platform, forcing the user to rely less on dribbling and more on build up play and passing. Not to say you can’t beat a man with a timed directional push and a jab of the run button, but there’s certainly a time and a place for those sort of antics – and in PES’s case player specific.

On the subject of directions, Konami have introduced 360 degree movement this year, although most who try the game aren’t convinced on that figure – me and Suff reckon it’s 16/32 directional. Not to discount it’s importance though, as the added scope for player movement is welcome. Compared to FIFA’s it not as obvious or even as fluid, but I’d argue its more influential and effective in PES 2010. Many hardcore players might be reluctant to do away with the d-pad (like me), but spending time with analogue stick for a decent length of time will prove more than beneficial, even if Seabass still prefers d-pad!

But the extra ways to move do become very important in creating space, especially with Konami focusing exclusively on simulation football. With the reliance on passing over dribbling, and the extremely stubborn defenses this year, they’ve achieved their goal. It all can be a bit much sometimes, especially on higher difficulty, but you soon come to appreciate the way things play out on the pitch. Against even the lesser teams you’ll find getting into one-on-one situations extremely difficult, with every team seemingly having an unbreakable defensive line.

Before the red mist set in I decided to tinker with the team play and player cards, and realised how incredibly deep the set-up was – maybe too much for some. At first it was daunting, and maybe against what I believed in. I’m a firm believer in playing a team in the game to how they would in real life, sticking to playing style and formation. Slowly though I realised that with adjustments of simple parameters I could create an obvious impact on the pitch.

Take one of my many Milan derby games. Playing as AC (obviously) I found that the front 3 of Ronaldinho, Pato and Huntelaar were far too compact, making it easier for the physically strong Inter defense to keep in check. Delving into team play I changed the compactness level to make the 3 forwards not hold hands and have a chat about sports cars (or in Ronaldinho’s case what he ate at half time), and the visual difference was instant. I found Pato hugging the touchline a bit more, with Huntelaar peeling away to the opposite side of the area. The change in movement caused the Inter defense to be stretched, leaving gaps for attacking midfielders to exploits – in this case a cracker from Seedorf from 25 yards.

Talking of crackers, the shooting in PES 2010 is still as satisfying as ever. Whilst creating space is a tad difficult when trying to fire one off, when you get that half-a-yard you feel inclined to have a pop as there’s always a chance of it finding the corner. It’s something unique to PES, just like the player and team individuality.

Players feeling like their real life counter parts has been a mainstay in PES, although its been lacking in the past few years. Its certainly much better this year, although response times don’t help slow intricate dribblers. Players like Diego and Arshavin are effective, but lack of pace and power means they can be bundled off the ball easier thanks you not being able to make last minute changes to your direction. This problem doesn’t effect players like Ribery or Messi though, with their pace and dribbling skills meaning you’ll always feel comfortable when controlling them. Adding in the new trick moves means they can be devastating when in the right hands. Other improvements in player individuality is certainly the passing game, with players like Xavi and Pirlo being able to dictate the game from midfield much more effectively. You’ll find those players being able to hit the intended target much quicker and accurately, even when under intense pressure.

Another element of the individual feel of players is their look, and this year the visuals are incredible. From the screenshots its obvious Konami have managed to achieve true nextgen visuals, making it quite easily the best looking football game ever. From player faces, to the kits, to the stadiums, to the grass, to the lighting etc its breathtaking and worthy of excessive praise.

Away from the pitch, Konami have upped their game in a number modes, most importantly in Master League. Its certainly been ignored over the years, but this year gets a full make over. Lending a lot of features from FIFA’s Manager Modes, you’ll find yourself having the ability to sign up sponsors and upgrade staff to improve things like fitness or negotiating deals. The addition of a deep scouting system, youth players and integrated Champions League and Europa League, all means ML this year is one of the most engrossing one player experiences in football games to date. And did I mention a Player Of The Year Awards Ceremony?

Other modes making an impact are of course online and the returning community mode. While we can’t quite judge online right now, apart from some very positive results from the online beta taking place, we can say community mode will be a big hit with all PES players offline and online. The ability to create tournaments and leagues of varying proportions with the option to edit the set-up completely, AND with it recording all the data is sure to make people want to have those PES late night sessions all over again. Become A legend also makes a return, although the lack of improvements or additions has stopped me spending too much time in there. Its an excellent mode that has many fans, although personally I don’t find the lack of focus on BAL concerning. Edit mode has been freshened up, with new kit templates and up-to-date boots. Theres also the popular inclusion of the ability to untuck players shirts. MP3 importing for chants has been upped, now having 8 per team – 3 of them for particular situations.

While there are so many positives in PES 2010 on and off the pitch, there are reasons why the game isn’t quite hitting the heights of old. When PES was on the PS2 it felt the game had one key saying instilled within development – easy to learn, hard to master. The latest release of PES has reached out to the hardcore, in a way making it unaccessible to newcomers to the series. And with the learning curve higher than its ever been, some may struggle to stick with it. Great for some, but when your competitor is offering out of the box fun and instant satisfaction, more casual gamers will have an easier decision.

Another issue is perhaps the response time in player movement and button delay. While its something that you will get used to, and much improved over earlier/demo code, its not an element I thought would ever be introduced into the PES series. The control set-up of old has been built around an instinctive playing experience, but having to second guess your movement and restrict your playing style to accommodate responsiveness changes that mindset completely.

On a visual front, the animations desperately need an overhaul. There’s some nice touches here and there, but most of the time they look awkward and unrealistic when sandwiched in between some dodgy ones. Back in the first playtest in June I said how important it was for the game to compete with FIFA on that front, and while improvements were made it still lacks any impact or screams improvement.

Other, smaller, niggles begin to irritate in prolonged play too. Keepers, although decent in shot stopping, still spill far too much for my liking. Then there’s the reliance on wing play. With defenses super keen on staying compact, its far to easy and effective to run down the wing and cross the ball for a goal scoring opportunity. The penalty system is better than last year, but doesn’t help itself with the camera staying side-on when taking kicks during the game. The ref’s get a decent amount of flack off me too. If they are not awarding me a stonewall penalty, they’re busy not playing the advantage rule properly. Fouls in general are few and far between, never giving you a sense of realism on the physical side of the sport.

My final gripe, and perhaps biggest, is that the game still doesn’t reach the highs of old achievements. Konami need to understand that while many fans are now playing FIFA because they feel its the better game, most of them still regard the likes of PES 5/6 as the best ever. Fans don’t want a rehash, but a re-imagining of old ethics and mentality, as it’s needed to reinvigorate the series and take it back to the top. While the hardcore will be content, Konami could see themselves fall a little further behind – not because of the competition, but because they fail to understand why the fans fell in love with the series in the first place.

What does actually stop the gap between FIFA and PES widening is the return to simulation, coupled with amazing graphics and the life ending ML. Having these key elements in place, the future is already looking very bright for PES. Community feedback will again be vital next year, but with us starting much sooner the chance for a greater impact and return to greatness is very high.

The good news is that in the mean time we finally have a PES that not only belongs on the nextgen stage, but a game we’ll all be playing until the next version hits. Its about time too.

8/10
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Hi guys,

Does anyone know anything about the cameras in PES 2010? Will they be the same as PES 2009? Thank u!

Also, how do you play the game? Using the D-pad or thumbsticks? I remember using the D-pad on the PS2, but on the PS3 I can't seem to play it right with the D-pad, so I'm forced to use the thumbsticks, which is pretty weird for me when playing PES.
 
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Solid review.

Take one of my many Milan derby games. Playing as AC (obviously) I found that the front 3 of Ronaldinho, Pato and Huntelaar were far too compact, making it easier for the physically strong Inter defense to keep in check. Delving into team play I changed the compactness level to make the 3 forwards not hold hands and have a chat about sports cars (or in Ronaldinho’s case what he ate at half time), and the visual difference was instant. I found Pato hugging the touchline a bit more, with Huntelaar peeling away to the opposite side of the area. The change in movement caused the Inter defense to be stretched, leaving gaps for attacking midfielders to exploits – in this case a cracker from Seedorf from 25 yards.
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I love this bit.
 
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Good review by WENB there, and not as biased as I expected! :SHOCK: Good to see them pulling apart the negatives, and particularly this paragraph:

My final gripe, and perhaps biggest, is that the game still doesn’t reach the highs of old achievements. Konami need to understand that while many fans are now playing FIFA because they feel its the better game, most of them still regard the likes of PES 5/6 as the best ever. Fans don’t want a rehash, but a re-imagining of old ethics and mentality, as it’s needed to reinvigorate the series and take it back to the top. While the hardcore will be content, Konami could see themselves fall a little further behind – not because of the competition, but because they fail to understand why the fans fell in love with the series in the first place.
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SPOT. ON. That's EXACTLY what FIFA fans have been saying in here for months and been getting shouted down for it. Maybe now WENB have said it, some will listen :)

I'm looking forward to getting it, and the improved ML as well as finally getting to play BAL :D
 
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DagsJT said:
Good review by WENB there, and not as biased as I expected! :SHOCK: Good to see them pulling apart the negatives, and particularly this paragraph:



SPOT. ON. That's EXACTLY what FIFA fans have been saying in here for months and been getting shouted down for it. Maybe now WENB have said it, some will listen :)

I'm looking forward to getting it, and the improved ML as well as finally getting to play BAL :D
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I think Adam needs to keep it real Dags. His reputation has took a battering in recent years, and most of it was his own doing. Seems like a fair review for me. It just seems he cant seem to get his head around this whole new control/response issue. I totally welcome it. It certainly adds an extra dimension in realism, even if it does take away a little from what PES has been famous for. It certainly takes out any arcade element.
 
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Very honest WENB Review, Decent game this year as i expected, good way up, but for next years still things to do, atleast this is the first cool next gen pes that will keep people going.
 
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DagsJT said:
SPOT. ON. That's EXACTLY what FIFA fans have been saying in here for months and been getting shouted down for it. Maybe now WENB have said it, some will listen :)
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To be fair, most of us PES fans have been saying the exact same thing, but we still find PES, even though not at its best, preferable to Fifa. The basic PES gameplay ethic has always been there even when the game has not been as good as in the past.

Credit where credit's due, it's a good balanced review by WENB. But I've never cared about what they say, my opinion is the only one that matters.
 
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What really concerns me is not that is yet another average/mediocre dull pes, but that they havent' work on any aspects which might lead the game to grow over the next couple of years. So the distance between them and fifa is just gonnna get bigger.

I guess if they had some new ideas/technology by now they would have put in into the game. They just keep the basic core 2008 gameplay and make some refinements. At this point it is clear they will stick to it for the entire life of the current systems. I guess they don't have 2 full years to spend for a new game.
 
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charlievolano said:
What really concerns me is not that is yet another average/mediocre dull pes, but that they havent' work on any aspects which might lead the game to grow over the next couple of years. So the distance between them and fifa is just gonnna get bigger.

I guess if they had some new ideas/technology by now they would have put in into the game. They just keep the basic core 2008 gameplay and make some refinements. At this point it is clear they will stick to it for the entire life of the current systems. I guess they don't have 2 full years to spend for a new game.
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I agree 100%

After all this I just want PES 5 in PES 2010 graphics :(
 
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Well I've now had around a day solid on it and here are my thoughts.

Keepers:

It's a real mixed bag. Do well in the main from distance. I havent had any real bad ones yet from a long range shot. bit of a different story in the 18 yard box, Konami really need to not use the "splits animation" as much with the keepers as i think this is where alot of the fumbling comes from. To try and combat this the keepers now make some amazing follow up saves, they have some real spring in the 6 yard box.

Defending:

Due to the slower pace this year i have found myself using the jockey (RT/R2) button. It worked a treat on the default difficulty, but not so great on professional.

Defending is really hard on professional because like fifa you practically have to kill the player to get the ball. I find that one of a few things happen: The CPU player runs clean through you, The CPU bounces off you and whereas you loose all your pace but the CPU doesnt or you end up having to use the pressure button to get 3-4 players to surround the CPU and hope your tackle doesnt deflect it to an opponent. Problem is this doesnt work as much the opposite way around.

Passing:

This is getting worse and worse for me, I hope I am just finding it difficult to adjust to it. The number of chances I have wasted because the "wrong" pass has been played is really adding up now. You build up an attack to then have your midfielder not play the pass in the direction your pressing to the free man but instead to the striker who is running in the wrong direction is very frustrating.

Through balls have also been 70/30 in the favour of bad for me. They
nearly always play the pass off the defender, when there is no end of space to play it into.

First time passing is vey hit and miss for me also just doesnt feel like pro evo 5/6

dribbling/Control:

I can understand what Konami have done here and I like it in the main but getting a player to take a ball in their stride is to hard to excute, unless I am missing something. You cant let it run past you using (R1/RB) as you loose all your pace due to the animation used.

I havent had too much chance to play with the skill dribbling yet but looks like it adds something to learn in the game from what I have seen.

Gameplay:

Few thing to comment on here, the stand out things that seem to happen most games.

8-10 players around the 18 yard box. CPU players bunch up and the reponse time is now that slow it is reall hard to keep the ball. You also struggle to hit the gaps in the defensive line as you could in the "good old days"

Near post corners! The CPU has found an exploit, most of the goals I have conceded have come from NPC's I've tried putting defenders in front of the player, challenging with 2 players nothing can stop them.

Your defender touch evaporates around you own 18 yard area!

The CPU takes a millisecond to hit a long ball or cross unlike a human player. I hate this in football games as it gives the CPU an unfair advantage.

The shooting animation takes a long time, you very rarely hit a snap/first time shot. You just get tackled mid animation.

Invisible walls, dont know how this works but you go to tackle someone and your player just stops, switches to a different player then switches back and starts again.

Fifa like stat matching. It's as if when you get close to a CPu player your stats dont matter anymore. I.e Evra became as slow as weir. You almost end up running half the pitch side by side with the player. If you have the ball you have around 3 sprints before you are tackled, whereas if the CPU has the ball you could run the lengh of the pitch side by side.

On higher skill levels the shooting works better due to the limited chances.

Overall

I know I have pointed out quite a few faults here. But in the main a lot of the old Pro evo feeling is back, but it just feels like something is missing. You really feel like you have to force the game to play it.

I could say more but I am getting boring now.
 
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