PES2010 discussion thread

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I guess you need to see more pictures/videos, due popular request they have been deleted for this version, but will make the greatest return in 2011 ^^
 
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Jamezinho said:
I don't think that's entirely fair. It's not just the star players that get the attention to detail in PES. Play with a smaller team like Wigan or Hull and you still notice realistic differences between players.
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I think Rob was referring more to the fact that Konami has (more) accurate stats for star players than it does for lesser players. Which is somewhat understandable from Konami's perspective because much more is known about what makes Ronaldo special than say what makes Liverani, Tymoshchuk, etc. special.

This doesn't take away from the fact that Konami's stats system is capable of producing a nearly identical videogame version of a real life player. However, in order to do this, you must fully understand what each stat means and how if affects the player and, above all else, have a good understanding of the real life player.

To your point, there certainly is a difference between a team like Barcelona and Hull with the default stats. However, the default stats are REALLY off for a team like Hull and only slightly off for a team like Barca. If you're a fan of accuracy, then you will most likely spend quite a bit of time editing the players. For me, it is part of the enjoyment of the game.
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
I seriously never get this individuality stuff. The Top players have the "Stats" for them to have the abilities of what makes them special. Do you guys hold the sprint button whilst mashing the skill one and get tackled and say "ow Ronaldo should have beat that man" or shoot whilst the player is off balance and say "Gerrard scores them!" You, the person in control makes the player a individual, thats how it worked in PES and thats how it works in FIFA. For me anyway.
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Its all down to restrictions and feeling, when you play ISS and pass the ball around you instantly get the feeling of what the players can and cannot do.

When a so called lesser player has the ball you know before he gets the ball that he can't play a crisp pass out wide to Joaquin so you don't bother attempting that particular pass. In the other game lesser players may have poor passing stats but they can still comfortably play that crisp ball out wide. Its annoying and isn't realistic.

Back in the day (PES5/6) I would position Pirlo in front of my defence and dictate the game through him, he would pick up the ball from the defenders and set the tempo. This isn't possible in the other game, despite the fact that he has better passing stats than Gattuso, they still feel the same.

It annoys me to the extent that I can't play with certain teams in the other game like my beloved Spurs because players like Luka Modric don't feel right and I can't play the way I want too.
 
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^^^

Great post. This is what I love about PES and is why I feel it has always had more of a managerial/tactical element to it, in that you are rewarded for playing a formation/system based on the qualities and limitations of your players. In the other game I hardly ever play around with the tactics and team selection because, regardless of the players and formation I pick, there is this underlying feeling that it doesn't make much difference.
 
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@ Tobi - Corrrecta-mundo!!!!!

That is why they have sites devoted just to stats so we can have as close a representation as possible (barring the flaws of the game) to real life.

I think this is what brings so many people back to PES despite Konami constantly messing the franchise up.
 
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lons_pl said:
RIP Pes
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YES!

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Thought I wouldn't make it this year.
 
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tobi said:
Its all down to restrictions and feeling, when you play ISS and pass the ball around you instantly get the feeling of what the players can and cannot do.

When a so called lesser player has the ball you know before he gets the ball that he can't play a crisp pass out wide to Joaquin so you don't bother attempting that particular pass. In the other game lesser players may have poor passing stats but they can still comfortably play that crisp ball out wide. Its annoying and isn't realistic.

Back in the day (PES5/6) I would position Pirlo in front of my defence and dictate the game through him, he would pick up the ball from the defenders and set the tempo. This isn't possible in the other game, despite the fact that he has better passing stats than Gattuso, they still feel the same.

It annoys me to the extent that I can't play with certain teams in the other game like my beloved Spurs because players like Luka Modric don't feel right and I can't play the way I want too.
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Nice post, no doubt PES does it better than FIFA but you do get some sense of difference in FIFA too (well I do), no doubt they need to work on it.
I'm interested to see how the new sliders are going to work in helping you to tweak your tactics to better suit your players in this area too...
 
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The_Knight said:
Turns out FIFA10 only has 360 degree control on close control. With normal speed it's 16 and when sprinting it's 8.

I'm not sure about the limitation, but I do agree that the higher the speed, the more the limitation... but a player should be able to move in most directions, only it would take more time and would potentially put him off balance...
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yep, that would be better but if not done right would be annoying as hell, on the list for 11, it's getting bigger... :P

Let's see what Konami spring at Games-com...:JAY:
 
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lons_pl said:
Yes but this video was old and did't show real power of Fifa 10.People who played Fifa 10 are so excited.
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Ye but we can say same for PES !
PES 2010 (50 %)vs FIFA 10 (75 %) - PES look better.
Now on GC will be real comparison ! Both games will be advanced build !
 
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i think fifa will be better this year, but Pes will be closer
 
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lons_pl said:
In which part of the game Pes looked better? my first question and second on what platform do You play Pc,xbox 360 or Ps3?
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NG version . You can see FIFA 10 gameplay here : YouTube - Fifa 10 In Game - Gameplay + Interview Mandanda - Foot

Sory but it's awful . look how merger of animations , just "merger" is missing !Аll players are like the blind and thrown the ball around! And what was that :CONFUSE:

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Magic ? Hole game have same unexplained movements . I don't want to make review of the video . All can see .And other video whit Blanco . Was so bad.. so bad and all say " This is PC version " But it's not !
You can find PES 2010 50 % build video in youtube. Yes it's not so long but look much better from FIFA 10 , for me.
 
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lons_pl said:
Guys I have question to us.Seriously who believe that Pes 2010 have chance compete with Fifa 10 in this year.
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What is the matter with you bud ?

You surely must understand the fundemental differences between the two titles that make them both completely different to each other ?

If you cant see that, with all due respect, you have nothing to debate.

PES is PES, Fifa is Fifa. Apart from the fact they are both Football titles, that is the only real comparison you can make. Until EA produce a Fifa game that totally places all the emphasis on the individualism of the players it replicates, then you simply cannot compare them.

They both come from totally different angles. Both are excellent games, but please appreciate them both for what they are.

PES will never be able to compete with EA's stunning visuals, animations, presentation, authenticity, licences, etc etc. And Fifa, unless EA changes the way they approach their game, which I beleive they dont need to as the market has a place for both titles and representations, then EA cant compete with Konami's total individualistic player simulation based title.

The argument about which is better lies with the gamer, and what he/she prefers to play. Remove the Fanboyism, and both titles deserve the respect for what they are.
 
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Again some idiots can't just accept 2 football games, it has to be either or the other.Just hope to have 2 good games and enough of these e-rivalries, it's not as if you get paid for defending either companies.
If you like both games then great but if you only like one but respect the others who don't share your view.
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
What is the matter with you ?

You surely must understand the fundemental differences betweem the two titles that making them both completely different to each other ?

If you cant see that, with all due respect, you have nothing to debate.

PES is PES, Fifa is Fifa. Apart from the fact they are both Football titles, that is the only real comparison you can make. Until EA produce a Fifa game that totally places all the emphasis on the individualism of the players it replicates, then you simply cannot compare them.

They both come from totally different angles. Both are excellent games, but please appreciate them both for what they are.

PES will never be able to compete with EA's stunning visuals, animations, presentation, authenticity, licences, etc etc. And Fifa, unless EA changes the way they approach their game, which I beleive they dont need to as the market has a place for both titles and representations, then EA cant compete with Konami's total individualistic player simulation based title.

The arguement about which is better lies with the gamer, and what he/she prefers to play. Remove the Fanboyism, and both titles deserve the respect for what they are.
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I do not agree with You because Pes and Fifa both are football games and this is normal that people are compere two football games.In some aspects Fifa is good in another Pes.For me compere things what have Fifa and Pes is something normal.For example we can look at Fifa's animations,graphics,music and compre to Pes animatioms,graphics etc.When I ask the question if You believe I thought all the comparisom of the whole two games which contains in palticular:Animations,lighting,graphics,model of players etc.
 
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Who's modding this thread? I'd like to ask him why Adam gets to lie about my ban, and why I can't get to defend myself.

And also, after FIFA10's 360 degree movement turned out to need the close control button to be pressed, I am really optimistic about PES2010.

Seeing the ball bounce all over the place with it shifting posession 10 times in 5 seconds in the latest FIFA10 video makes me remember everything I hate about EA's efforts...
 
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The_Knight said:
Who's modding this thread? I'd like to ask him why Adam gets to lie about my ban, and why I can't get to defend myself.

And also, after FIFA10's 360 degree movement turned out to need the close control button to be pressed, I am really optimistic about PES2010.

Seeing the ball bounce all over the place with it shifting posession 10 times in 5 seconds in the latest FIFA10 video makes me remember everything I hate about EA's efforts...
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Check the last post in the other forum
 
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lons_pl said:
Can You expalin me what do You mean?:SHOCK:
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"This video is old and doesn't show the power of FIFA 10" is accepted.

"This video is old and doesn't show the power of PES 10" is laughed at and everyone says THIS IS WHAT THE FINAL GAME WILL LOOK LIKE GET USED TO IT YOU MORONS.

FIFA 10 was excellent and I think it will win a lot of people over, because a lot of the things that keep people playing PES are now present in FIFA (floaty shots replaced by real shots, being able to dribble and beat a man, movement and build-up play rewarded, fantastic response times).

BUT, that doesn't mean there can't be two games, and that PES 10 will be the worst game in the history of the world. Nobody has compared the two as of yet and PES 10 is still a dark horse because nobody has played the build with 360 dribbling and motion capture (if it exists, which is the common belief).
 
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Thing is Chris, Pes has a reputation for the last few years of not looking like anything different from the videos..

And every year since wenb - adam has said it will be
 
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fatlip180 said:
Thing is Chris, Pes has a reputation for the last few years of not looking like anything different from the videos..

And every year since wenb - adam has said it will be
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To be frank, you're full of shit if this is your justification for writing off PES. The game has a reputation for being poor, therefore all PES games in the future are going to be poor. My skills of extrapolation
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As for using Adam to try and prove that the game will be crap, grow up. If you think you've got him pegged then congrats, but using him as some sort of barometer for PES is never going to work if you only choose to believe him when he's being negative.

lons_pl said:
Guys I have question to us.Seriously who believe that Pes 2010 have chance compete with Fifa 10 in this year.
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Chris summed you up nicely, but here's my bit. On the day after Fifa news explodes everywhere, you post in a thread about a game with minimal information known and question how PES chances. You're not exactly stimulating a good natured argument now are you? :'[
 
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lons_pl said:
I do not agree with You because Pes and Fifa both are football games and this is normal that people are compere two football games.In some aspects Fifa is good in another Pes.For me compere things what have Fifa and Pes is something normal.For example we can look at Fifa's animations,graphics,music and compre to Pes animatioms,graphics etc.When I ask the question if You believe I thought all the comparisom of the whole two games which contains in palticular:Animations,lighting,graphics,model of players etc.
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Again some idiots can't just accept 2 football games, it has to be either or the other.Just hope to have 2 good games and enough of these e-rivalries, it's not as if you get paid for defending either companies.
If you like both games then great but if you only like one but respect the others who don't share your view.
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There is your answer.

Also your talking about comestics, not gameplay. Both are so very different.
 
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