Thespeedster84
Champions League
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I would say ball curve and trajectory variation related to shooting positions, foots, etc.. richer in the other game on basic.
PES 2018 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread
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RAMAXWY
Premier League
- Joined
- 16 October 2006
- Barcelona
The foul system wasn't great but if you dribbled a certain way you were able to get more freekicks but some claimed that it didn't exist
RAMAXWY
Premier League
- Joined
- 16 October 2006
- Barcelona
the shooting options are just like the sliders some want for every aspect of the game. if you don't like the current shooting option you are using then why not try to master the other which gives more of what you are looking for??
ramgamer
La Liga
- Joined
- 22 July 2013
- fc barcelona
My strength aswell is more in wide play and headers but that is on pa1, i simply couldn t get the hang of manual crossing, manual shots are nice but many times i end up doing a fast tiki taka move inside the box with the shot going to the corner flag instead of on target....
I've been playing Pes 2017 a lot lately and can really notice the scripting in Ml and can tell which way the match will go from the first couple of minutes. . .the mistake they make with scripting is that instead of having a player or 2 from your team making errors. . . the whole team makes errors at the same time which is unrealistic and stands out as being choreographed . .I mean come on . .. every player misplacing passes and mistiming tackles at the same time?
ramgamer
La Liga
- Joined
- 22 July 2013
- fc barcelona
this absolutely need and overhaul and new ideas
PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
I was reading the following article lately (as I like the MGS series a lot) and one thing came to my mind: the core element of that article discribes how I play PES. it's not about victory, its about how I get satisfaction out of this game WHILE playing it. Defeating an "enemy" is the main factor when playing soccer. Sure, you want to win.
But as in real life (I play myself some amateurish soccer at low level) I enjoy the game! ...sometimes realizing that only after the game is over.
I don't have a problem loosing... I like to win though, but to me (i repeat myself) the way is the reward.
It's a good read... even if it's ot! Sorry.
http://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/...-aims-to-be-a-new-sort-of-game-of-war-w499148
But I just had this thought and needed to tell you.
But as in real life (I play myself some amateurish soccer at low level) I enjoy the game! ...sometimes realizing that only after the game is over.
I don't have a problem loosing... I like to win though, but to me (i repeat myself) the way is the reward.
It's a good read... even if it's ot! Sorry.
http://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/...-aims-to-be-a-new-sort-of-game-of-war-w499148
But I just had this thought and needed to tell you.
I agree with you PRO TOO. .it's all about the enjoyment of playing. . . .. like creating a great chance or defending and stopping a great team from scoring . . .I've rarely won anything in PES.
shez
League 1
- Joined
- 19 August 2005
Going full manual makes all the players equal, Which is even worse tbh when you can split the defence with passes from a centreback. Or score amazing efforts with players with very low stats.
I never found that to be the case shez . ..I play manual and found players will play to the strengths of their stats. .. that's why I'm very careful who I buy on ML . ..if it was the way that you're claiming you could buy anybody and it wouldn't make a difference..
ramgamer
La Liga
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- 22 July 2013
- fc barcelona
It doesn t make a difference actually because only difference u can see btw players is btw strikers, strikers who have good jump and can scores headers more than others, since there is no variety in shooting, shooting with any player feels the same btw all, thats why i feel it has no satisfaction many times when u score....
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
And that would also apply on defenders defending.
Tackling, heading,marking,making runs!
Which mean I should be able to defend with a 65 ovr equally well as a 88 ovr?
Don't buy it for a minute!
Yeah, this is totally true.
When I started playing Full Manual I found myself searching through every stat to be sure I had at least some good dribblers and a "false 9" that could use some good passing. Even though, I now stick with Advanced Shooting and Manual Passing, and I still do this research, because stats matter in PES 2017.
I disagree totally with you on this Ramgamer. . .Look at my vids and you will see. ..different strikers have different qulaities . ..Gabbiadini has better accuracy and power than my other strikers. ..Muriel hasn't got much power but is a good dribbler so needs to get closer to place it in the net . . .some of the other strikers have a better swerve.
PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
i nearly gave you that.
I know, shooting is lagging. What comes to my mind is that I'm thinking of something... a lot of times (when I was playing PES) I thought the battle for the ball, crossing and passing and what not, is more satisfying than scoring itself.
And this leads to nothing but thinking scoring/shooting is broken somehow. Or upgrade worthy if u like.
Again, just my 2 cents...
Conor A. we proud of ya!!!
Edit: oh man, how I'd like to discuss more detailed but my english is lagging. sry.
Edit2: Reds are on f'ing fire!!!!!
Sorry mods.Edit3: four!!
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romagnoli
Misses Retri
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- 7 August 2004
With manual passing it particularly shows through as the ability to hit a trickier pass with optimal strength, rather than underhitting it and losing the momentum of a passing move / allowing the opposition to intercept. But you definitely also see it as part of the subtle tweaking of pass direction and speed to prevent a pass from going astray. I'm much happier playing high tempo short passing football with better passers because the speed of the ball will be right, the increased animations will allow for better accuracy and the subtle assists will improve my chances of keeping possession.
In long passing you see it as a change in the height, curl and backspin of the pass. Constantly with Pogba I found that hitting a long diagonal ball well into space with his right foot would result in a floaty, high backspin pass which would hold up perfectly for the winger to reach before it went out of play. If I tried the same pass on his left foot, the ball would carry too much pace and the backspin trait would not be used as he's on his weaker side. Constantly the ball would be much more likely to run astray and the ball would go out for a throw or goal kick.
In old PES titles (PS2 at least), if there was a defender standing directly between a passer and the recipient, the short pass used to go wide of the defender and force the recipient to move, rather than going straight at the recipient (and therefore the defender). It meant that a defender couldn't just stand in a channel and therefore kill that passing option, BUT it meant that the defender could force a pass to end up going behind the recipient, or forcing them wide, hopefully into trouble.
In terms of how gameplay looked and flowed, it made up for the fact that you had to aim passes with nothing more than a d-pad, and it meant the gameplay had fewer obvious channels or directions - each pass was less binary than I personally associate with modern PA1. This is the beauty of manual passing in modern day PES - if I want to pass along the ground to a player and there's a defender in the way, I have so many different angles and weight of pass I can try and use to pass around the defender and make the recipient move to the ball. In PES 5 or 6 the passer would choose one of these angles for you to some extent. In PA1 you only have
or 
, essentially a straight line to the player or a pass forward. That's why you would see more passes go through a defender's legs even though they're well placed, and it's why people see the passing as 'on-rails' at the mo.
If Konami aren't planning to make PA1 feel more like the PA1 we associated with PES 2012-2015 then I feel like PES should bring this blurring of the passing lines back for the assisted game, combining it with more directional and contextual passing error.
In long passing you see it as a change in the height, curl and backspin of the pass. Constantly with Pogba I found that hitting a long diagonal ball well into space with his right foot would result in a floaty, high backspin pass which would hold up perfectly for the winger to reach before it went out of play. If I tried the same pass on his left foot, the ball would carry too much pace and the backspin trait would not be used as he's on his weaker side. Constantly the ball would be much more likely to run astray and the ball would go out for a throw or goal kick.
In old PES titles (PS2 at least), if there was a defender standing directly between a passer and the recipient, the short pass used to go wide of the defender and force the recipient to move, rather than going straight at the recipient (and therefore the defender). It meant that a defender couldn't just stand in a channel and therefore kill that passing option, BUT it meant that the defender could force a pass to end up going behind the recipient, or forcing them wide, hopefully into trouble.
In terms of how gameplay looked and flowed, it made up for the fact that you had to aim passes with nothing more than a d-pad, and it meant the gameplay had fewer obvious channels or directions - each pass was less binary than I personally associate with modern PA1. This is the beauty of manual passing in modern day PES - if I want to pass along the ground to a player and there's a defender in the way, I have so many different angles and weight of pass I can try and use to pass around the defender and make the recipient move to the ball. In PES 5 or 6 the passer would choose one of these angles for you to some extent. In PA1 you only have
or , essentially a straight line to the player or a pass forward. That's why you would see more passes go through a defender's legs even though they're well placed, and it's why people see the passing as 'on-rails' at the mo.If Konami aren't planning to make PA1 feel more like the PA1 we associated with PES 2012-2015 then I feel like PES should bring this blurring of the passing lines back for the assisted game, combining it with more directional and contextual passing error.
banbenbin
League 1
- Joined
- 25 September 2013
What will half lengths be in the demo?
Shooting is not as good as it should be because of three reason. The speed of the ball is unrealistic, trajectory of the ball is just bad physics, animations and it's variation needs a big upgrade. They really need to focus on that for next year, cuz no change would mean much if this is yet the same. No excuses for next year.
PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
I hope it's not locked at 10 min.!!
Want to play 15 and 20 min!!!
DuduBR9
Champions League
- Joined
- 25 July 2010
All demos have always been locked to 10 min.
Evil Star
Hiro Protagonist
I just had a weird idea, why don't Konami buy the rights to clubs old defunct stadiums like Highbury? I'd imagine EA don't have those rights anymore. They could probably be purchased cheaply as they don't exist anymore and if Konami leased the exclusive rights for 20+ years then EA can't steal them away like they did with the Spanish stadiums a few years ago.
They'd then be able to use the same stadium cad models for all future games and I think it would be a nostalgic selling point for a lot of fans.
They could even sell a retro stadium DLC pack like this...
Arsenal - Highbury
West Ham - Upton Park
Man City - Maine Road
Juventus - Stadio delle Alpi
Ajax - De Meer
Southampton - The Dell
Lyon - Stade de Gerland
They'd then be able to use the same stadium cad models for all future games and I think it would be a nostalgic selling point for a lot of fans.
They could even sell a retro stadium DLC pack like this...
Arsenal - Highbury
West Ham - Upton Park
Man City - Maine Road
Juventus - Stadio delle Alpi
Ajax - De Meer
Southampton - The Dell
Lyon - Stade de Gerland
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rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
One of the best ideas I've ever heard.
Playing Juve in a half empty and foggy Delle Alpi
Love it!
Love it!!!!!
Who needs new and boring all seaters anyway
Btw,when did Stade Louis 2 (Monaco) disappear from Pes,feels like one of the more classic stadiums of Pes
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- Staff
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- 16 July 2004
- LUFC O.K.
Love that!
Add Roker Park , Ayresome Park, Leeds Road,and the old Chelsea ground with the shed end,
Baseball Ground, & Molineux.
Sorry, realize some of the Younger members are going " what"?
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
Top stadiums mate,remember growing up in the 70's we had live first division football every saturday on the telly (Sweden ) muddy pitches,strange haicuts,skinny guys,Todays average indie band look.
Good times.
How about The Den? Not the pretty one they have today,the old evil looking
RAMAXWY
Premier League
- Joined
- 16 October 2006
- Barcelona
great idea!!
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
I remember looking forward to 17 last year,mainly because 16 had a great deal of issues bugging me.
Throughball/goalkeepers mainly.
But this year I'm looking forward to mainly because I had quite a few great runs on 17.
So Wednesday I'm officially a kiwi,cause NZ usually gets it first right?
Or is it on Tuesday already.
Screw it,I'm a kiwi!
Throughball/goalkeepers mainly.
But this year I'm looking forward to mainly because I had quite a few great runs on 17.
So Wednesday I'm officially a kiwi,cause NZ usually gets it first right?
Or is it on Tuesday already.
Screw it,I'm a kiwi!
PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
Nice idea!!
Add Olympic Studium for Munich! 10 old stadium DLC, 10 Euro, I'm in!
ramgamer
La Liga
- Joined
- 22 July 2013
- fc barcelona
The stadiums that they need to get back is stade louis 2, and de kuyp of feyenoord rotterdam