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PES 2018 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread

To be honest...

to me fouls are fine in PES 2017.
The frequency and strictness differ in every match.
Only thing which happens a bit too less is that fouls by the AI in the box are being called leading to a penalty.
Happens like 1 time out of 100 games.

But all in all to me they are fine the way they are now and I hope it'll stay that way in PES 2018.
Reading posts from people wanting to have more fouls....
Well I hope KONAMI won't listen because finding the right balance of something isn't easy for them...we know that.
Just remember PES 2014 where every little push was being called and you barely had a flow in the game.
 
hitmanuk said:
I hope they sort the fouls out ..at least give me 4 or 5 pens in a season instead of none..it will be pointless having the new set pieces for single players if their are hardly any fouls..im committed to buying this so far but if FIFA is up there with it and contains fouls I'll go that way this year
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This is the problem. Fouling works but only if you play in a certain way - you can completely avoid fouling for or against you, intentionally or not. I had a number of pens playing ML but I also know that I'd try take-ons and fake shots that draw fouls, and that it was equally (if not more so) possible to play the game without allowing for fouls for OR against. I had a single player game very recently where I had 7 fouls given in my favour, including 2 penalties. But I also had 0 fouls against me, because I wasn't using X to press/tackle.

The game needs to see fouls given for collisions, irrespective of whether a tackling button is being pressed. There also needs to be an improvement in getting midfields to clash, so the ball can't just be passed around without players coming into contact with each other.

Contact + fouls based on nothing more than contact = a much more realistic and interesting free kick system.
 
chiefrocka4real said:
To be honest...

to me fouls are fine in PES 2017.
The frequency and strictness differ in every match.
Only thing which happens a bit too less is that fouls by the AI in the box are being called leading to a penalty.
Happens like 1 time out of 100 games.

But all in all to me they are fine the way they are now and I hope it'll stay that way in PES 2018.
Reading posts from people wanting to have more fouls....
Well I hope KONAMI won't listen because finding the right balance of something isn't easy for them...we know that.
Just remember PES 2014 where every little push was being called and you barely had a flow in the game.
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it's good you are happy with it..but zero fouls in the Merseyside derby ruins the immersion for me
 
romagnoli said:
The game needs to see fouls given for collisions, irrespective of whether a tackling button is being pressed. There also needs to be an improvement in getting midfields to clash, so the ball can't just be passed around without players coming into contact with each other.

Contact + fouls based on nothing more than contact = a much more realistic and interesting free kick system.
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That already happens, there are a lot of fouls when some collision happens with the other player, sometimes it seems to make no sense, but that's kind of the cool thing about it. PES 2017 implemented a lot more weird contact fouls, which is great. You might be pressing a button in those instances, but not necessarily trying to tackle. I suppose it happens most often when I'm trying to kick/head the ball but end up kicking/elbowing the opposing player. Happens to the AI as well.

I think the foul system would be just about right if the same rules applied within the penalty box. I may have 3-4 penalties in my countless matches since release.
 
Isslander said:
That already happens, there are a lot of fouls when some collision happens with the other player, sometimes it seems to make no sense, but that's kind of the cool thing about it. PES 2017 implemented a lot more weird contact fouls, which is great. You might be pressing a button in those instances, but not necessarily trying to tackle. I suppose it happens most often when I'm trying to kick/head the ball but end up kicking/elbowing the opposing player. Happens to the AI as well.

I think the foul system would be just about right if the same rules applied within the penalty box. I may have 3-4 penalties in my countless matches since release.
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the penalty situation "non existence issue" should be totally addressed and should be more varied like fifa
 
So after playing PES 3 for a while the other day, I kind of realised that I don't really care how good or bad PES 2018 looks as long as it's fun and immersive. There's a good post on the last page detailing how 'you didn't really notice the flaws in old PES games because you were so immersed' (paraphrasing).

I've realised something similar. It's why I don't feel like watching these videos qualifies me to make a decision about the game. I simply don't know how it feels to play from watching other people play it.
 
Bewildered by the comments about the set-piece system being "embarrassingly" worse than PES3. The fuck? There was a .gif or two knocking about showing examples of the set-piece tactics being utilised and it doesn't only look better than PES3, but looks completely new for football games in general because there is believable movement all over the shop once the player takes the kick.

Agree with Romagnoli re: fouls/the contact game and alike. There is much that can and should be done there looking forwards.
 
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zeemeister said:
In PES 2017 master league if you play derbies there is a shiteload of fouls and free kicks. The problem is penalties which are not called for the right reasons. Have people even played PES 2017.
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please post a screen shot and prove me wrong because I must be playing a different game ..last derby was 17 fouls to 10 ..id love to see a third of that consistently...currently I'm seeing between 0 and four..realistically an average of two but if I'm lucky only maybe 1 every 3 games where I can shoot from...penalties I won't even bother discussing as I've not had one all season
 
Isslander said:
That already happens, there are a lot of fouls when some collision happens with the other player, sometimes it seems to make no sense, but that's kind of the cool thing about it. PES 2017 implemented a lot more weird contact fouls, which is great. You might be pressing a button in those instances, but not necessarily trying to tackle. I suppose it happens most often when I'm trying to kick/head the ball but end up kicking/elbowing the opposing player. Happens to the AI as well.

I think the foul system would be just about right if the same rules applied within the penalty box. I may have 3-4 penalties in my countless matches since release.
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It kind of happens now but it's not really getting used that often at all. It doesn't happen that much when players just run into each other - it's specifically a flailing limb like you said. I've got vids of people going down as if they've been elbowed but it's not consistently applied throughout. Not like in FIFA. It might even be related to that Malicia ability? Or is that just meant to be for dives?

Maybe it's because they haven't been able to get the ref AI to really understand the fine line between robust contests for the ball and unfair ones, but it's piecemeal right now. I'd love to see a player with his back to goal get run into by a defender behind him, collapse under the impact, and win a free kick. That happened for me when I played early PES 2012 code at Adam's house and I thought it was great. I don't remember seeing it in PES since.
 
hitmanuk said:
please post a screen shot and prove me wrong because I must be playing a different game ..last derby was 17 fouls to 10 ..id love to see a third of that consistently...currently I'm seeing between 0 and four..realistically an average of two but if I'm lucky only maybe 1 every 3 games where I can shoot from...penalties I won't even bother discussing as I've not had one all season
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Hi, I don't post here a lot but I thought I should chime in on the topic although I can't take a screenshot because I'm out of the country for the whole summer.

I only play Master league and I see plenty of fouls especially in derbies (last Liverpool vs. Man Utd game saw 4 yellow cards for CPU iirc). Not sure if this helps but I play Top Player and my players' overall ability ranges from 70-82 (so my team almost never overpowers opponents). I know moving the ball quickly is good but as a big Liverpool fan, I'm used to seeing them dwelling on the ball a lot, so I play the same way and I draw a lot of fouls that way. I see about 3-5 penalties per season both for and against. I concede fouls a lot from late tackles (I love last ditch tackles which don't always come off) and by using super cancel to win aerial battles.

Maybe you don't get enough fouls because you're too good at the game :CONFUSE: I do notice that if I concentrate and really play neatly, i don't see that many fouls. But most of the time, I'm slightly sloppy and I see way more physical contact. Maybe the looser ball in PES2018 might help.

One thing I never see though is last man foul resulting in red card. That bothers me a lot.
 
topkop said:
Hi, I don't post here a lot but I thought I should chime in on the topic although I can't take a screenshot because I'm out of the country for the whole summer.

I only play Master league and I see plenty of fouls especially in derbies (last Liverpool vs. Man Utd game saw 4 yellow cards for CPU iirc). Not sure if this helps but I play Top Player and my players' overall ability ranges from 70-82 (so my team almost never overpowers opponents). I know moving the ball quickly is good but as a big Liverpool fan, I'm used to seeing them dwelling on the ball a lot, so I play the same way and I draw a lot of fouls that way. I see about 3-5 penalties per season both for and against. I concede fouls a lot from late tackles (I love last ditch tackles which don't always come off) and by using super cancel to win aerial battles.

Maybe you don't get enough fouls because you're too good at the game :CONFUSE: I do notice that if I concentrate and really play neatly, i don't see that many fouls. But most of the time, I'm slightly sloppy and I see way more physical contact. Maybe the looser ball in PES2018 might help.

One thing I never see though is last man foul resulting in red card. That bothers me a lot.
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man u are trying to defend what is already undefendable, the non existence of penalty situation is a major downside, i won t bother aswell speaking abt it.
 
topkop said:
Hi, I don't post here a lot but I thought I should chime in on the topic although I can't take a screenshot because I'm out of the country for the whole summer.

I only play Master league and I see plenty of fouls especially in derbies (last Liverpool vs. Man Utd game saw 4 yellow cards for CPU iirc). Not sure if this helps but I play Top Player and my players' overall ability ranges from 70-82 (so my team almost never overpowers opponents). I know moving the ball quickly is good but as a big Liverpool fan, I'm used to seeing them dwelling on the ball a lot, so I play the same way and I draw a lot of fouls that way. I see about 3-5 penalties per season both for and against. I concede fouls a lot from late tackles (I love last ditch tackles which don't always come off) and by using super cancel to win aerial battles.

Maybe you don't get enough fouls because you're too good at the game :CONFUSE: I do notice that if I concentrate and really play neatly, i don't see that many fouls. But most of the time, I'm slightly sloppy and I see way more physical contact. Maybe the looser ball in PES2018 might help.

One thing I never see though is last man foul resulting in red card. That bothers me a lot.
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I agree with you, I think it depends on your skill level. I am not that great a player, I play on Top Player, full manual, and in my ML me and the CPU got about 4 penalties each in a season. Quite a few free kicks too. :)
 
geeeeee said:
I agree with you, I think it depends on your skill level. I am not that great a player, I play on Top Player, full manual, and in my ML me and the CPU got about 4 penalties each in a season. Quite a few free kicks too. :)
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we don t want to enter into the discussion, don't defend something that everyone knows is broken, thx..lets talk about the potentials of pes 2018
 
ramgamer said:
we don t want to enter into the discussion, don't defend something that everyone knows is broken, thx..lets talk about the potentials of pes 2018
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Hi ramgamer, I was just agreeing with what Topkop posted including the fact that he mentioned about the looser ball in PES2018 hopefully bringing more fouls.

Personally I do get fouled a bit in PES2017 and the reason I know I get fouled more is because all previous PES' since PES5 has been broken to me because of the lack of fouls. But I do also hope that PES2018 has even more fouls especially more penalties. With that the potential of PES2018 will be unlocked. ;)
 
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Northzzz said:
So after playing PES 3 for a while the other day, I kind of realised that I don't really care how good or bad PES 2018 looks as long as it's fun and immersive. There's a good post on the last page detailing how 'you didn't really notice the flaws in old PES games because you were so immersed' (paraphrasing).

I've realised something similar. It's why I don't feel like watching these videos qualifies me to make a decision about the game. I simply don't know how it feels to play from watching other people play it.
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This.
Totally agree.
I totally understand that people are very sceptically about Konami after some awfull editions of PES.
Konami have called it upon themselves by their bad PR and bad games with infuriating details (one example: the garden gloves of the GK's some years ago, i know it's all about gameplay, but when the game isn't in the shops and the only thing people see about the game are stills and clips, this is unforgivable).
But IMO people are exagerating now.
I don't understand people who overanlyse the clips. Do they ever play the game or are they already disgusted with the game and don't buy it al all? And if they buy it, do they analyse their owmn matches that way?

Video games are supposed to be fun.

To give an analogy. I'm a music freak. As a teenager i worked in Belgium's biggest concert arena and later on i worked years for an alternative radio station. Sadly i have not talent whatsoever for music. I can't play intstruments. My best friend is a guitar player. Every time we went to a concert he just looked at the hands of the guitar player and as a consequence never really was in the zone for the concerts. We talked a lot about that and he said he envied me because i had a much more instinctive approach to concerts and enjoyed, while he couldn't. In the end he stopped going to concerts. He was much more knowlegeable about music, but didn't enjoy himself.

Some people approach PES the wrong way imo. Overanalysing kills the fun. It starts as a knowlegeable analysis, slowly it becomes some sort of bragging (look how intellectual i'm approaching football) and after a few weeks those people become cynical and arrogant...

If you want to go that deep in it, go playing real football and try to become a professional or a manager...it's al lwasted energy on a video game. I want PES to be sort of a simulation, but a football video game against the AI will never be realistic...hell even real football at top level is not realistic...i can show you plenty of fantastic goals that are bad defending (i'm still waiting for an example of a goal where there is no bad defending with hindsight).

This post can be seen as a personal dig, it isn't... it's acriticism to an approach that isn't mine and that spoils fun...and those people should not shut up...they have all the right to give their opinion, but i don't agree at all and imo after some time it feels like showing off. This attitude creeps in this thread every year and i just can't stand it...maybe i'm wrong but that is just my sincere opinion.

No hard feelings.
 
gerd said:
This.
Totally agree.
I totally understand that people are very sceptically about Konami after some awfull editions of PES.
Konami have called it upon themselves by their bad PR and bad games with infuriating details (one example: the garden gloves of the GK's some years ago, i know it's all about gameplay, but when the game isn't in the shops and the only thing people see about the game are stills and clips, this is unforgivable).
But IMO people are exagerating now.
I don't understand people who overanlyse the clips. Do they ever play the game or are they already disgusted with the game and don't buy it al all? And if they buy it, do they analyse their owmn matches that way?

Video games are supposed to be fun.

To give an analogy. I'm a music freak. As a teenager i worked in Belgium's biggest concert arena and later on i worked years for an alternative radio station. Sadly i have not talent whatsoever for music. I can't play intstruments. My best friend is a guitar player. Every time we went to a concert he just looked at the hands of the guitar player and as a consequence never really was in the zone for the concerts. We talked a lot about that and he said he envied me because i had a much more instinctive approach to concerts and enjoyed, while he couldn't. In the end he stopped going to concerts. He was much more knowlegeable about music, but didn't enjoy himself.

Some people approach PES the wrong way imo. Overanalysing kills the fun. It starts as a knowlegeable analysis, slowly it becomes some sort of bragging (look how intellectual i'm approaching football) and after a few weeks those people become cynical and arrogant...

If you want to go that deep in it, go playing real football and try to become a professional or a manager...it's al lwasted energy on a video game. I want PES to be sort of a simulation, but a football video game against the AI will never be realistic...hell even real football at top level is not realistic...i can show you plenty of fantastic goals that are bad defending (i'm still waiting for an example of a goal where there is no bad defending with hindsight).

This post can be seen as a personal dig, it isn't... it's acriticism to an approach that isn't mine and that spoils fun...and those people should not shut up...they have all the right to give their opinion, but i don't agree at all and imo after some time it feels like showing off. This attitude creeps in this thread every year and i just can't stand it...maybe i'm wrong but that is just my sincere opinion.

No hard feelings.
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I get this 100% Gerd . . .I went off on a rant a few pages back about this but held back a bit as I didn't want to come across as a bully . .great post.
 
gerd said:
This.
Totally agree.
I totally understand that people are very sceptically about Konami after some awfull editions of PES.
Konami have called it upon themselves by their bad PR and bad games with infuriating details (one example: the garden gloves of the GK's some years ago, i know it's all about gameplay, but when the game isn't in the shops and the only thing people see about the game are stills and clips, this is unforgivable).
But IMO people are exagerating now.
I don't understand people who overanlyse the clips. Do they ever play the game or are they already disgusted with the game and don't buy it al all? And if they buy it, do they analyse their owmn matches that way?

Video games are supposed to be fun.

To give an analogy. I'm a music freak. As a teenager i worked in Belgium's biggest concert arena and later on i worked years for an alternative radio station. Sadly i have not talent whatsoever for music. I can't play intstruments. My best friend is a guitar player. Every time we went to a concert he just looked at the hands of the guitar player and as a consequence never really was in the zone for the concerts. We talked a lot about that and he said he envied me because i had a much more instinctive approach to concerts and enjoyed, while he couldn't. In the end he stopped going to concerts. He was much more knowlegeable about music, but didn't enjoy himself.

Some people approach PES the wrong way imo. Overanalysing kills the fun. It starts as a knowlegeable analysis, slowly it becomes some sort of bragging (look how intellectual i'm approaching football) and after a few weeks those people become cynical and arrogant...

If you want to go that deep in it, go playing real football and try to become a professional or a manager...it's al lwasted energy on a video game. I want PES to be sort of a simulation, but a football video game against the AI will never be realistic...hell even real football at top level is not realistic...i can show you plenty of fantastic goals that are bad defending (i'm still waiting for an example of a goal where there is no bad defending with hindsight).

This post can be seen as a personal dig, it isn't... it's acriticism to an approach that isn't mine and that spoils fun...and those people should not shut up...they have all the right to give their opinion, but i don't agree at all and imo after some time it feels like showing off. This attitude creeps in this thread every year and i just can't stand it...maybe i'm wrong but that is just my sincere opinion.

No hard feelings.
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Totally agreed.

I´m really glad that none of any negative posts stole parts of the fun I´m having with this game or parts of the optimism I´m having with the new release.
But still, I respect and partly understand where those are coming from and if well founded, it´s interesting too.

It´s like one of you already said: your niggles don´t have to be mine and vice versa...
 
gerd said:
Video games are supposed to be fun.

To give an analogy. I'm a music freak. As a teenager i worked in Belgium's biggest concert arena and later on i worked years for an alternative radio station. Sadly i have not talent whatsoever for music. I can't play intstruments. My best friend is a guitar player. Every time we went to a concert he just looked at the hands of the guitar player and as a consequence never really was in the zone for the concerts. We talked a lot about that and he said he envied me because i had a much more instinctive approach to concerts and enjoyed, while he couldn't. In the end he stopped going to concerts. He was much more knowlegeable about music, but didn't enjoy himself.

Some people approach PES the wrong way imo. Overanalysing kills the fun. It starts as a knowlegeable analysis, slowly it becomes some sort of bragging (look how intellectual i'm approaching football) and after a few weeks those people become cynical and arrogant...

If you want to go that deep in it, go playing real football and try to become a professional or a manager...it's al lwasted energy on a video game. I want PES to be sort of a simulation, but a football video game against the AI will never be realistic...hell even real football at top level is not realistic...i can show you plenty of fantastic goals that are bad defending (i'm still waiting for an example of a goal where there is no bad defending with hindsight).

This post can be seen as a personal dig, it isn't... it's acriticism to an approach that isn't mine and that spoils fun...and those people should not shut up...they have all the right to give their opinion, but i don't agree at all and imo after some time it feels like showing off. This attitude creeps in this thread every year and i just can't stand it...maybe i'm wrong but that is just my sincere opinion.

No hard feelings.
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In two words "old PES". And i'm not a nostalgic guy at all. But what those games have and the new one doesn't? Fun factor? Check. Better player potition? Check. More fouls and penalties? Check. Better individuality? Check. Better goal feeling and satisfaction? Check. Better shooting system? Check. Better passing system? Check... And i can go on.

What i mean is that we put the word fun in new PES titles, ignoring some realistic elements that doesn't mean prevent a football game from being fun.

I played PES 2017 for 2 months and i enjoyed it. But i got tired quickly. Why? Because it hasn't depth in gameplay and AI.

Anyway this is my personal opinion and i hope PES 2018 will change it.
 
broxopios said:
In two words "old PES". And i'm not a nostalgic guy at all. But what those games have and the new one doesn't? Fun factor? Check. Better player potition? Check. More fouls and penalties? Check. Better individuality? Check. Better goal feeling and satisfaction? Check. Better shooting system? Check. Better passing system? Check... And i can go on.

What i mean is that we put the word fun in new PES titles, ignoring some realistic elements that doesn't mean prevent a football game from being fun.

I played PES 2017 for 2 months and i enjoyed it. But i got tired quickly. Why? Because it hasn't depth in gameplay and AI.

Anyway this is my personal opinion and i hope PES 2018 will change it.
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I play 1/2 games a day, full manual. I disagree about shooting, i find manual shooting well implemented, a lot of variety is there. I think the main issue are player individuality which is not as pronounced as it used to be and the fact that the AI is pretty dull. But the freedom in passing and off the balls moves of the current generation is light years ahead, in the old days everything was very 8 directional. I also find master leagues after pes2011 a boredemo fest, can't get into it.

But fouls and penalties are a huge issue, in probably 300 games i got awarded 2 penatlies, quite absurd. PLenty of games where i don't even get a free kick.

Pes 2017 is a good fun arcade attack/counter attack game. It's always going to be like unless they go back to proper defending like in pes5, it is just way too easy to win tackles and to counter, unless they force you to use positioning defending and slow down the pace with bad first touch the game is always going to be more like sensible soccer then the old pes.

They need to be brave and forget about the masses that want to score hat tricks with ronaldo and keep the running button pressed all the time. But they'll never do to that, too afraid to lose customers.

I would also love an option where ranked on line game are only to be played full manual....:-) it would be good for the community. Wanna show u are a good player? theyn play full manual.
 
When was the last time Pes tried to be a simulation? Pes has always been easy to play, hard to master. Arcade base with simulative elements that enhanced its depth.

Maybe lately there is not so much depth as it used to be, that's what we can ask for, but you can't say they are catering to Fifa players. That's not true.
 
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