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PES 2018 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread
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Bond!JamesBond!
PS2 PES Greatness
play world soccer winning eleven 7 on PS2, should cure that feeling.
Bond!JamesBond!
PS2 PES Greatness
i can't be the only one who wants 45min games my 30min games are feeling shorter today.. 10min is a just a taste..... Also people do nothing but bitch about demo only being 10min..
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We don't know yet. At Gamescom there will be information about stadiums and licences.
PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
nice compilation:
https://twitter.com/PESFannews/status/882633508790972416
https://twitter.com/PESFannews/status/882633508790972416
Topaz
Programmer/TheAwesomeGem
You are unfortunately right about that. My friends who are just casual football fans plays 10 mins match mostly in PES 2017. They want open-ended attack oriented match for those 10 mins and they can't be arsed to play proper football or want a really tough challenge from the CPU. They love good looking goals(aka goals from ping pong tiki taka passing or long shots) and they don't like to be close down, fouled by the CPU as it breaks their flow. Sound familiar? This is your average PES player. We are not. We gotta deal with it. We gotta deal with the positioning issue. We gotta deal with CPU not fouling and pressuring the player. We gotta deal with open-ended attack oriented match. We gotta deal with Metersacker catching up with Bale. We gotta deal with ping-pong lazer guided pass. We gotta deal with lazer guided shooting. The game is made to be suitable for 10mins match which the average PES players play in. It's not a choice we have. We gotta understand we are the minority because when it comes to business, it's all about the sales, not about how PES potrays real life football. Because let's be honest, PES 2017 doesn't even remotely resemble real life football. We just gotta deal with it and hope that they add something worthwhile or just don't buy PES. FIFA is even worse so there is no alternative.
curdstar
Premier League
- 19 September 2006
- Favourite Team
- PES4 Partick Thistle
Yes, people do. People on here and other forums dedicated to these games. A loud, but absolutely tiny minority.
Finally you make sense!! I am a casual player and I play PES just to score beautiful goals. I don't have time to play 15-20mins matches which is why I prefer end to end matches because it's fun!!! It's a game after all and if you want realistic football game, just go play outside!! Don't ruin PES!
Ameppe
International
- 23 December 2007
- Favourite Team
- SSC Napoli
That's not the point. You say KONAMI is not able to reproduce a realistic ball movement, saying "well, maybe by 2022 they will understand that". How is that not a troll post?
Besides the flaws you are noticing with the Pes games (and from these videos) seem extremely important to you, so i can't understand how you can play a game that is so flawed.
I wish people would be more positive towards developers, Adam,Asim, etc. Posting sarcastic and troll messages is not going to help them make the game better it will just make discussion on forums toxic.
I like the way @Matt10 , @Chris Davies , @romagnoli talk about the game flaws. Always being respectful and trying to expose their worries without being overly cynical.
- Staff
- #2,440
- 16 July 2004
- Favourite Team
- LUFC O.K.
FFS why all the PES2017 talk here when we have a thread for it?
Talk PES 2018 or nothing at all in this thread.
Anymore on that subject and the posts will be deleted.
Keep on topic.
Talk PES 2018 or nothing at all in this thread.
Anymore on that subject and the posts will be deleted.
Keep on topic.
Evil Star
Hiro Protagonist
I tend to enjoy 20 minute matches the most but sometimes you just want to get ML matches out of the way quickly so switch to 10min.
I'd consider playing a full 90min match if it let me save the game mid match when the ball goes out of play and continue on from where I left off whenever I want.
James Beaver
Championship
- 21 December 2014
Agreed.
Anyone here who is as aggravated by CPU scripting but wants to volunteer to buy PES 2018 to test whether it's still there?
(Moved the rest of my post to PES 2017 thread.)
Bravez
Championship
- 26 June 2005
Agreed, i don't know another person who customises anything in their football games other than option file. Almost all of my mates play FIFA and not a single one has touched the sliders, they probably don't even know they're there to be honest. None of them touch or know about the different control levels (semi etc) and none change the game speed.
PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
hahaha... same here. i'm not suprised anymore when i tell my fifa buddys about the posibilities in fifa!
they just insert the disc, choose teams and head straight into the match. dont get my started on skipping every replay scene or entrance ceremony... ^^- Staff
- #2,445
The vast, vast majority treat a game as "just a game" (which it is).
There's no looking for a simulation, and no further analysis. It's fun or it isn't.
Joe Public puts the disc in and that's about it. They're not looking to piss around with settings to make it better, or complain about their experience if they can't. They will either play it, or they won't play it, and that'll be the end of their experience. None of these guys are playing 20-minute matches, or manual passing.
Those of us who pick apart trailers and desperately look for improvements in simulation... We've got mental problems, let's be honest. To dedicate so much time and effort into analysing, producing videos and writing essays. It is only a game.
But that doesn't stop the desire...
(My only comfort is that I don't give a fuck about the nets.
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There's no looking for a simulation, and no further analysis. It's fun or it isn't.
Joe Public puts the disc in and that's about it. They're not looking to piss around with settings to make it better, or complain about their experience if they can't. They will either play it, or they won't play it, and that'll be the end of their experience. None of these guys are playing 20-minute matches, or manual passing.
Those of us who pick apart trailers and desperately look for improvements in simulation... We've got mental problems, let's be honest. To dedicate so much time and effort into analysing, producing videos and writing essays. It is only a game.
But that doesn't stop the desire...
(My only comfort is that I don't give a fuck about the nets.
)
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Bravez
Championship
- 26 June 2005
I'm delighted to be dead in between. My desire to get the perfect game has thawed so much as I've gotten older. Work, family etc means i can no longer be fussy and i'm grateful for the time i do get to play some PS4. It means I enjoy the experience so much more.
It's made me so excited for 2018. So much of what i disliked about 2017 looks to have been resolved from the videos. New season's getting closer and only a couple of months until release. Can't wait.
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
I have lost some respect for Weedens the past 2 years. Whilst his video-editing skills to present PES the best possible way are undeniable, I cannot trust that guy anymore. For PES 2016 and 2017 he released some awesome videos like he's doing this year which were very edited and very misleading for me. I remember thinking "WOW finally Konami got the color palette right! Vibrant colors! The pitch looks awesome!" and when I got to play the game myself, it didn't look like that at all (regarding the topics I mentioned).
That is wrong, in my opinion. If you are going to help promote the game (even if he is not OFFICIALLY working for Konami, he kinda is) you can still showcase how everything looks and make people rave about it without tuning the final looks of the game. That's misleading on purpose.
hahaha... same here. i'm not suprised anymore when i tell my fifa buddys about the posibilities in fifa!
I played a game of FIFA against a friend at a BBQ fairly recently. We loaded up the teams and he pressed start before I could change formation settings. 'Oh, did you want to make subs?', he said.
Totally fine but, yeah, it's a completely different mentality to what we're used to here.
He didn't even know what assisted, semi or manual stuff was. Sliders? Forget about it.
The color thing happens in videofrags on CS:GO and I think it's not misleading, because these videofrags are not trying to sell you the product but to show us good plays in the game, as Weedens' videos do.
Matt10
International
- 5 February 2004
The vast, vast majority treat a game as "just a game" (which it is).
There's no looking for a simulation, and no further analysis. It's fun or it isn't.
Joe Public puts the disc in and that's about it. They're not looking to piss around with settings to make it better, or complain about their experience if they can't. They will either play it, or they won't play it, and that'll be the end of their experience. None of these guys are playing 20-minute matches, or manual passing.
Those of us who pick apart trailers and desperately look for improvements in simulation... We've got mental problems, let's be honest. To dedicate so much time and effort into analysing, producing videos and writing essays. It is only a game.
But that doesn't stop the desire...
(My only comfort is that I don't give a fuck about the nets.
And that is why FIFA will always get my money. FIFA lets me customize my experience, so if I don't fall within Joe Public's demands, I'm within my own. Sure the base is flawed, but at least the customization is there ten-fold.
What I would love is KONAMI/PES guys to admit that they've designed an open-ended game, and not combat me on playing the game or giving other excuses. It's open-ended because that's the design - not because of this, this and the other "tactic".
That is what frustrates me more. Being told it's a gameplay masterclass, then seeing nothing within basic/tactical/advanced fundamentals achieved.
What it does mean, as pushing for a realistic game is always a curse, is it will be another year of modifying the multiple chefs in the kitchen (tactics, adv instructions, roles, player styles) to achieve the very basic of fundamentals.
RAMAXWY
Premier League
- 16 October 2006
- Favourite Team
- Barcelona
that's the best way to approach any game. makes you enjoy it more instead of looking for what you desire it to be.The vast, vast majority treat a game as "just a game" (which it is).
There's no looking for a simulation, and no further analysis. It's fun or it isn't.
Joe Public puts the disc in and that's about it. They're not looking to piss around with settings to make it better, or complain about their experience if they can't. They will either play it, or they won't play it, and that'll be the end of their experience. None of these guys are playing 20-minute matches, or manual passing.
Those of us who pick apart trailers and desperately look for improvements in simulation... We've got mental problems, let's be honest. To dedicate so much time and effort into analysing, producing videos and writing essays. It is only a game.
But that doesn't stop the desire...
(My only comfort is that I don't give a fuck about the nets.
RAMAXWY
Premier League
- 16 October 2006
- Favourite Team
- Barcelona
The vast, vast majority treat a game as "just a game" (which it is).
There's no looking for a simulation, and no further analysis. It's fun or it isn't.
Joe Public puts the disc in and that's about it. They're not looking to piss around with settings to make it better, or complain about their experience if they can't. They will either play it, or they won't play it, and that'll be the end of their experience. None of these guys are playing 20-minute matches, or manual passing.
Those of us who pick apart trailers and desperately look for improvements in simulation... We've got mental problems, let's be honest. To dedicate so much time and effort into analysing, producing videos and writing essays. It is only a game.
But that doesn't stop the desire...
(My only comfort is that I don't give a fuck about the nets.
+1
shez
League 1
- 19 August 2005
My biggest issue with Konami and EA is how uppity and downright disrespectful they are to the customers. Removing features and ignoring years and years of input from the users, Whilst funding you tubers and reviewers to sell their product in one way or another.
When people on here mention older games, Their main aim is to highlight that these games achieved a high level of customization and realism with the technology limitations and various competitors at that time.
Nowadays we have only two games and both of them do have some unforgivable problems. Also people who are judging the early PES 2018 videos are comparing this pre release period to the last 2 or 3 where if you look the stuff up, Were nothing short of a disgrace regarding distorting the truth and producing inferior versions.
Instead of people on forums going after each other and abusing anyone who has a different opinion, I believe that people who are bigging up this year's version will need to show us why it's gonna be great because in the last 2 or 3 year PES hasn't controlled reality or added anything superior to what we had 10-15 years ago.
When people on here mention older games, Their main aim is to highlight that these games achieved a high level of customization and realism with the technology limitations and various competitors at that time.
Nowadays we have only two games and both of them do have some unforgivable problems. Also people who are judging the early PES 2018 videos are comparing this pre release period to the last 2 or 3 where if you look the stuff up, Were nothing short of a disgrace regarding distorting the truth and producing inferior versions.
Instead of people on forums going after each other and abusing anyone who has a different opinion, I believe that people who are bigging up this year's version will need to show us why it's gonna be great because in the last 2 or 3 year PES hasn't controlled reality or added anything superior to what we had 10-15 years ago.
- Staff
- #2,455
This is the sort of language that I think some forum members have a problem with when it comes to addressing Konami, and what leads to Adam and Asim treating feedback as insults (which results in them listening to nobody).
I don't think development decisions can really be considered disrespectful. It's a frivolous purchase, not a personal interaction. Game changes mean some things can't be carried from one version to another and they end up falling into the "low priority" pile so don't come back for a while (or ever). We can play a demo of it, we know what we're buying, so how is it "disrespectful"?
Not to mention unforgivable (they're selling you a game, not slapping your grandma), disgraceful (they're honest in their responses, even if we don't like them, and they have their reasons), and as for distorting the truth... These conspiracy theories are mad!
Konami don't make $$$ by fooling people with videos - 90% of the people who buy PES won't have even looked at a video, and what do they have to gain from making a great game for videos and then turning it into a shit one for general release?!
What happens is - they make a game, they take it to game shows, they get feedback from the general public (who are the ones buying their game) and change it as a result! Joe Public is going to prefer a game where they can score 10 goals and feel like a superstar, than one where they even have to change their formation (see this post)! Unfortunately, if a lot of those guys say the same thing (e.g. "it's too slow"), they sacrifice their vision to ensure better reviews and better sales!
It's shitty, yes, but it's a product, not a work of art, and they need to sell it! They aren't trying to fool you (the unprecedented amount of videos they're releasing should prove it)!
I 100% agree with your criticism, especially the bit about our feedback being ignored (I've been writing to Konami about PES since the PSX days, when the Master League was a fake European super-league mashup, and there were no lower leagues). But you can't be so expectant. They're not making a game just for you - or me - and 90%+ of the people who buy their games have no idea of the analysis we go into on here.
All we can do is continue to engage with them, without the petulance, and hope they listen to our points. Words like "disrespectful", "disgraceful" and "unforgivable liars" don't really apply to something that costs £40-£50 and you can get refunded (or just not buy)...
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gerd
Retired Footballer
Good post Chris.
Take posts like that from Shez (it's only an example, to be fair there is much worse) and read the post with Coca Cola or Apple every time you see Konami.
Do you think that Apple, Coca Cola or other companies go to internet forums and have community managers?
And like i said there is much, much worse than Shez'post...i understand that Adam and Asim don't want to answer certain post and block them on their personal or Konami's Twitter accounts...
And anyway, like i already said a dozen times, IMO the problem is that Konami listen too much to customers feedback...
IMO there are some hardcore fans who expect too much from companies like Konami or EA.
Take posts like that from Shez (it's only an example, to be fair there is much worse) and read the post with Coca Cola or Apple every time you see Konami.
Do you think that Apple, Coca Cola or other companies go to internet forums and have community managers?
And like i said there is much, much worse than Shez'post...i understand that Adam and Asim don't want to answer certain post and block them on their personal or Konami's Twitter accounts...
And anyway, like i already said a dozen times, IMO the problem is that Konami listen too much to customers feedback...
IMO there are some hardcore fans who expect too much from companies like Konami or EA.
banbenbin
League 1
- 25 September 2013
Agreed, but what is the right amount to demand/expect? For me, I set the standard at NBA 2k games for gameplay and FM for immersion. If they can reach those levels of realism and please so much of their audience, then why can't football games have that?(sliders, authenticity, stat based, commentary, immersive manager mode, good online...)
I think for a lot of us the frustrations don't come from some impossible dream, but from other influence we see that could be applied to a football game.
I don't even play other videogames anymore, no time. My yearly ritual is buy the game with best demo/buzz in this forum/comes out first out of FIFA or PES, play it 'til I get tired, get the new FM, play a 4 or 5 year save with a second tier club, then buy the one of FIFA or PES I didn't buy earlier and play that. I just wish I could combine all three of the games into a massive super game, take the best out of each and throw them in the oven for 20 minutes and have the perfect football game.
Topaz
Programmer/TheAwesomeGem
I think the only bad practice from Konami with PES is that they don't allow much customize able. There are no sliders so you can't tweak your gameplay preference like you can with FIFA. And I think that is that way due to laziness. There are no cons to allow players to adjust their own gameplay preference for single-player(which will fix all the uproar by the hardcore players).
- Staff
- #2,459
Again, I want what you want, but saying it's "laziness" is more insulting than it is constructive.
Also, it's much more likely to be because implementing sliders takes time* and will help sell an additional zero copies (we'll buy the game anyway, let's be honest - well, I will).
Think of it as a back-of-the-box line. "Oooh, sliders, my favourite!" Not only that, but how many people who buy the game will play it offline anyway? Who cares, really? (I mean, I really really care. But it's development time they could spend adding a new paid-for myClub feature instead.)
*Sliders aren't giving you access to the full variables, they're limited to sensible numbers, so they have to figure out what that sensible range is through testing each individually - and then make sure that adjusting one variable doesn't completely mess up the game when combined with a single different variable, or three other specific variables, or five, or seven - in specific +/- combinations - which could potentially send you back to the start.
It's more simple than coding ball physics, maybe, but it's more complicated than just creating a menu screen for it - and, for something that will add no sales, they're potentially creating a new problem for us all to moan about.
"Thanks for adding sliders - NOW FIX THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE SO BROKEN YOU DISRESPECTFUL SWINES, CAN'T YOU DO ANYTHING RIGHT, GAHHH!"
Danny Henry
The King is dead.
- 16 September 2013
Okay. This week I bought a PS4. First game I played was The Witcher 3 since I am a PC player and I wanted to see how the game runs on PS4. Wow, PS4 is not a bad console at all!
Then I downloaded PES 2017 to see the difference from PC, and man. Sorry if I will offend those who like PES 2017 but this game feels totally outdated imho. The only thing that looks current gen is the textures.
Really hopes that PES 2018 becomes the big leap for the franchise. Too many years Ive been waiting for a good football game. The NBA 2K of football games. I really loosing my hopes here.
Sorry for been of topic and sorry for the bad english.
Then I downloaded PES 2017 to see the difference from PC, and man. Sorry if I will offend those who like PES 2017 but this game feels totally outdated imho. The only thing that looks current gen is the textures.
Really hopes that PES 2018 becomes the big leap for the franchise. Too many years Ive been waiting for a good football game. The NBA 2K of football games. I really loosing my hopes here.
Sorry for been of topic and sorry for the bad english.