PES 2018 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread

[hitmanuk]

I'm really torn with manual passing and shooting on PES
In my opinion
Advantages
Can place the ball anywhere
Opens game up
More satisfying to score

Disadvantages
Makes the game more erratic
Crossing is OP and scoring from a manual header from a manual cross is really difficult
Shot variation is.minimal
Not a true reflection of football e.g. premier league players missplacing easy passes
Currently using PA1 and advanced shooting with manual override at times

 

[shez]

The dangerous part is that full manual negates player stats, This needs to be balanced in a way or another.

When you go in the transfer market you'd want to buy a player with certain skills to boost your team. Buying an Ozil or Iniesta shouldn't be the same as buying a player with no vision, The same applies to finishing and dribbling.

It's good that we still have the option to customize the experience at least!

 

[romagnoli]

I'm really torn with manual passing and shooting on PES
In my opinion
Advantages
Can place the ball anywhere
Opens game up
More satisfying to score

Disadvantages
Makes the game more erratic
Crossing is OP and scoring from a manual header from a manual cross is really difficult
Shot variation is.minimal
Not a true reflection of football e.g. premier league players missplacing easy passes
Currently using PA1 and advanced shooting with manual override at times

This bit, generally speaking, takes time. I still misplace passes but not nearly as much, in particular I've tightened up those 2-3 yard layoffs a lot compared to my first month of manual. Do you use advanced through ball as part of your manual setup?

The bit re: crossing, I guess that's a multiplayer concern? Generally speaking for crosses I use L2 so I can float the ball with a long pass rather than use a cross. It gives the ball a nice bit of curl and shape and, as you say, the standard crossing on manual is hard to use. Drilling ground crosses works well though.

 

[fantomas23]

something i just picked up on and maybe not alot have noticed, unlike in the past the clock now keeps on ticking during "dead ball" situations ie corners, free kicks, goal kicks and thrown ins

i must add that the clock ticks in slow motion, when the ball is back in play, so to speak, the clock resumes ticking at normal speed

 

[maremas_]

One more video, recorded with camera.

 

[hitmanuk]

This bit, generally speaking, takes time. I still misplace passes but not nearly as much, in particular I've tightened up those 2-3 yard layoffs a lot compared to my first month of manual. Do you use advanced through ball as part of your manual setup?

The bit re: crossing, I guess that's a multiplayer concern? Generally speaking for crosses I use L2 so I can float the ball with a long pass rather than use a cross. It gives the ball a nice bit of curl and shape and, as you say, the standard crossing on manual is hard to use. Drilling ground crosses works well though.

I don't really misplace that many passes the main pass is the cross and i tend to switch to full manual using the button and get better results, something feels slightly off with the receivers reactions on a cross at height, many times they watch the ball go over their head.

I played on advanced shooting yesterday and scored two different goals one a half volley on the edge of the area and it was a shot ive never seen before and the other was a one on one that clipped the keepers boot and went in off the post. Again a new sequence. Sometimes i wonder if manual restricts the balls movement options due to player shooting animation and techniques. Not sure its just a thought

 

[robbieryan]

I like the floated R2 crosses on manual, but the standard O crosses are too low and fast. As Romagnoli says using L2 helps a lot for manual crossing but i'll be interested to see if it's been fixed in the new game

 

[ianni]

I'd say that manual has less animations than PA1 and Advanced Shooting. But I'm not sure. I have played 300 hours with Advanced Shooting + PA1, and now I'm trying to play full manual and well, it's difficult. Volleys are now stranger to see compared to Advanced.

 

[ISS1970]

is there any video of the ps3 version? just out of curiosity, i actually think pes 2017 plays a better game on the ps3.

 

[hitmanuk]

I'd say that manual has less animations than PA1 and Advanced Shooting. But I'm not sure. I have played 300 hours with Advanced Shooting + PA1, and now I'm trying to play full manual and well, it's difficult. Volleys are now stranger to see compared to Advanced.

I've payed a full ML with full manual and only recently switched, at first i started with PA1 and advanced but as an ex fifa player went to full manual.
Shots on manual are definitely more powerful but all shots are the same or at least very similar- all powerful shots again due to the restriction in animation - its like the game thinks you want to blast every manual shot and the foot goes through the ball. Where as on advanced, as an example, you will input i want to put it into the top corner from X position and the game says in order to do that i need to do a different shot technique . Which is why i'm seeing slightly different things. This is only my opinion but there's no denying i've seen several shot types that i haven't seen on manual

 

[Han]

Thx bro!!!
Хвала вам браћо!!!

With the current translate-sites you cannot keep things secret by speaking Russian

 

[James Beaver]

CPU scripting in leagues, mentioned multiple times in this thread too, will have a significant impact on the ML / league experience.

I am playing the Brazilian league atm. Out of curiosity I am now playing the same match for the fourth time. In the first three matches the CPU scored with their first shot. We absolutely dominated, but the first CPU shot always resulted in a goal.

We are now up 0-1 in the fourth (re)match, and the CPU hasn't had a single shot yet (after 30'). I have a pretty good impression of what is going to happen soon. This is against top player, full manual.

I know I am asking for trouble by running experiments like this. It's just that this stuff gets on my nerves, and I start collecting evidence. I hope things will be a bit better in 2018. Please.

 

[ianni]

I've payed a full ML with full manual and only recently switched, at first i started with PA1 and advanced but as an ex fifa player went to full manual.
Shots on manual are definitely more powerful but all shots are the same or at least very similar- all powerful shots again due to the restriction in animation - its like the game thinks you want to blast every manual shot and the foot goes through the ball. Where as on advanced, as an example, you will input i want to put it into the top corner from X position and the game says in order to do that i need to do a different shot technique . Which is why i'm seeing slightly different things. This is only my opinion but there's no denying i've seen several shot types that i haven't seen on manual

Well, I've scored low shots on manual and also top corner almost full power shots. In manual, I see that the "power" bar is only the "height" bar; I've read this from other user, and he was absolutely right.

 

[Topaz]

CPU scripting in leagues, mentioned multiple times in this thread too, will have a significant impact on the ML / league experience.

I am playing the Brazilian league atm. Out of curiosity I am now playing the same match for the fourth time. In the first three matches the CPU scored with their first shot. We absolutely dominated, but the first CPU shot always resulted in a goal.

We are now up 0-1 in the fourth (re)match, and the CPU hasn't had a single shot yet (after 30'). I have a pretty good impression of what is going to happen soon. This is against top player, full manual.

I know I am asking for trouble by running experiments like this. It's just that this stuff gets on my nerves, and I start collecting evidence. I hope things will be a bit better in 2018. Please.

I am pretty sure at this point, everyone agrees scripting exist and it happens random regardless of fatigue, team strength differences, players, tactics or anything which is really annoying. It's like a roll of dice. I wouldn't mind scripting/handicap if there was a way to combat it.

 

[Northzzz]

is there any video of the ps3 version? just out of curiosity, i actually think pes 2017 plays a better game on the ps3.

Haven't seen any myself but I might be inclined to agree with that sentiment. I played PES 2017 on both PC and PS4 and enjoyed it more on PC (it's ever so slightly slower). PC was basically the PS3 version, I believe.

 

[gerd]

The scripting in ML is what annoys me most in PES nowadays.

People who played the game are very enthousiastic about it, but of course they can only play exhibition matches. I want the scripting out of ML or i want it otherwise (not as an unfair advantage for the CPU).

What James Beaver describes has happened a lot to me and from time to time i get fed up with and replay matches...sometimes it is possible to get another result, but the script itself does not change (to take James Beaver example, the CPU will not stop scoring with the first attack, but sometimes you still can win those matches or draw them).

I remember playing a ML on PSP (some years ago now, can't remember wich PES it was) and playing with Heerenveen. I played a match against NAC Breda and immediately became awareof the script. Then i did a test;Decided to replay the match until i didn't lose it. I stopped after more than 20 attempts. Since then i play the league mode fairly regualrly...quite like it (shame there are no transfers, but then it would 85% ML).

 

[Chuny]

yeah, pretty much the pattern. The way i see it, in order to be crowned "Best Ever" the community needs to play it for years. Not six months. Which proves 2017 wasn't "the best PES ever" like they claimed.

WTF? No man, no. They put out a game every year. The only way for anyone to keep playing last years version (or older) is if the new version is worse than any of those in the past. Like it happened with PES 2014, 2015, 2016.... which would only last a few months and then most people would move back to PES5, 6 or PES 2013 (like me).

PES 2017 lasted for a whole year, for many (most) of us anyways.

So the only way to crown a game BEST EVER (according to you) would be if Konami decided to stop making PES (God forbids) and ONLY THEN we could see if the lastest version they released is still being played after 2 years or more?. Senseless.

 

[TroyDeeneyScoredAPenal!]

WTF? No man, no. They put out a game every year. The only way for anyone to keep playing last years version (or older) is if the new version is worse than any of those in the past. Like it happened with PES 2014, 2015, 2016.... which would only last a few months and then most people would move back to PES5, 6 or PES 2013 (like me).

PES 2017 lasted for a whole year, for many (most) of us anyways.

So the only way to crown a game BEST EVER (according to you) would be if Konami decided to stop making PES (God forbids) and ONLY THEN we could see if the lastest version they released is still being played after 2 years or more?. Senseless.

PES 2017 got stale and all the flaws rose to the surface within a couple of months for me and a lot of others (old school PES Die Hards from ISS Pro to PES 5). It simply lacked in basic fundamental areas which has been an issue for years e.g. Shooting being too straight and true / too powerful, Keepers not being good enough (without being superhuman), Master League that is STILL threadbare and lastly a lack of content (not enough stadiums including fake look-a-likes).

 

[Chuny]

PES 2017 got stale and all the flaws rose to the surface within a couple of months for me and a lot of others (old school PES Die Hards from ISS Pro to PES 5). It simply lacked in basic fundamental areas which has been an issue for years e.g. Shooting being too straight and true / too powerful, Keepers not being good enough (without being superhuman), Master League that is STILL threadbare and lastly a lack of content (not enough stadiums including fake look-a-likes).

When you say it like that, you make it seem as though anyone who really likes PES 2017 up until this point in time, isn't a PES Die Hard Fan. Which is a lie.

I've been a fan of this game since it wasn't even named like this. Since I was 8 years old. I'm now kicking 30's door down. So it doesn't matter whether you are an old time fan of the game or if you just tried it for the first time 2 years ago. I honestly only care about what I feel/see when playing, not what you say, and like I said a few days ago, in this very same thread, PES 2017 is a game I will keep installed in my System for a very long time.

 

[Chuny]

It just gets on my nerves when some of you want to believe you are part of a selected small exclusive club, with some kind of secret membership, just because you will ONLY like PES 5 or 6 no matter what. Like YOU ARE THE REAL FANS WHO LIKE REAL FOOTBALL, and everyone else just doesn't know shit and/or are kids and/or are FIFA fans.

Get over yourselves.

 

[PRO_TOO]

WTF? No man, no. They put out a game every year. The only way for anyone to keep playing last years version (or older) is if the new version is worse than any of those in the past. Like it happened with PES 2014, 2015, 2016.... which would only last a few months and then most people would move back to PES5, 6 or PES 2013 (like me).

PES 2017 lasted for a whole year, for many (most) of us anyways.

So the only way to crown a game BEST EVER (according to you) would be if Konami decided to stop making PES (God forbids) and ONLY THEN we could see if the lastest version they released is still being played after 2 years or more?. Senseless.

i get your point, but a whole year?! its just july now. it latest the longest when i look at the recent years (for me), and it is still in use! usually i stop playing around feb.! but not this year...

 

[ianni]

It just gets on my nerves when some of you want to believe you are all part of an exclusive club, with some kind of secret membership, just because you will ONLY like PES 5 or 6 no matter what. Like YOU ARE THE REAL FANS WHO LIKE REAL FOOTBALL, and everyone else just doesn't know shit and/or are kids and/or are FIFA fans.

Get over yourselves.

Thank you. This was very needed.

Because we like (or even love) PES 2017 doesn't mean we can't see flaws (like the positioning one). It's not just "you must feel / do one thing or the other one". I can (and I do) love to play PES 2017 to this date and I can see the positioning issue (one that can be solved with the fluid formation, at least in my game). I can vote in a poll, still playing PES 2017 and be a "hardcore fan", although I don't want to be this type of "hardcore" when it seems that if you don't praise PES 5/6, you are not a true fan.

 

[TroyDeeneyScoredAPenal!]

When you say it like that, you make it seem as though anyone who really likes PES 2017 up until this point in time, isn't a PES Die Hard Fan. Which is a lie.

I've been a fan of this game since it wasn't even named like this. Since I was 8 years old. I'm now kicking 30's door down. So it doesn't matter whether you are an old time fan of the game or if you just tried it for the first time 2 years ago. I honestly only care about what I feel/see when playing, not what you say, and like I said a few days ago, in this very same thread, PES 2017 is a game I will keep installed in my System for a very long time.

I am entitled to my view as well hence it being called a forum?

 

[fmicablues7]

It just gets on my nerves when some of you want to believe you are part of a selected small exclusive club, with some kind of secret membership, just because you will ONLY like PES 5 or 6 no matter what. Like YOU ARE THE REAL FANS WHO LIKE REAL FOOTBALL, and everyone else just doesn't know shit and/or are kids and/or are FIFA fans.

Get over yourselves.

I agree with you. However, it is the same for the people praising pes 2017 and bashing the old games. For them, we only play pes 5/6 for nostalgia reasons and that's plain wrong. If you take a look to pes 6 sub-forum for example, you'll see a lot of people who grew up with fifa 10-11-12, etc... And trying someday pes 6 and fell in love with it. They didn't even play it back then in 2006.

 

[kovy]

I love manual passing because of that freedom to do whatever you want with the ball, to put it anywhere and to use it to direct the runs the recipient makes. But with shooting, there's always a clear target. It doesn't make sense being able to shoot entirely the wrong way, or aiming to miss the goal entirely, as you can do with manual shooting - I should be able to tell my player to aim for the top corner, or low inside the near post, etc, and then just use the shot button for power. So I like the idea of advanced shooting but it hits the woodwork far, far too often. It always has, it's needed some attention for 4 PES titles now.

I never tried Advanced Shooting ever, because of all the reports that 9 of 10 times the ball hits the bar, and for the last couple of years i thought manual shooting is the way to go, but after reading that i have to think about it again

Manual Passing (player stats should still matter, high rated players should place the ball exactly where you aim and how much you load the power bar, lower rated players with more error, especially on long balls) to me makes sense/fun, you can pass everywhere on the pitch, front, back 360°, everywhere

but you are right, with Shooting it's clear what you want to do (that's why you don't need to aim in basketball games), there's one target and you never want to miss on purpose when you shoot, and like you said the power bar should be for power, not height of the shot

I have to finally try it when the Demo comes out, hope it doesn't hit the post so regularly

 

[VuZet]

When the new code is going to be presented for the first time? At Gamescom?

 

[hitmanuk]

Has there been any news on if the demo in july will be single player too or is it purely online only?

 

[Chuny]

I am entitled to my view as well hence it being called a forum?

Of course you are entitled to it. But what you expressed earlier didn't sound like an opinion. More so, it seemed factical, like you are the representative, speaking on behalf of "The Real PES Die Hard Fans" releasing an official statement: "we, PES Die Hard Fans, don't like PES 2017". Which isn't true. I am a PES Die Hard Fan and I love old PES titles as much as I love PES 2017, as many others.

 

[curdstar]

I never tried Advanced Shooting ever, because of all the reports that 9 of 10 times the ball hits the bar, and for the last couple of years i thought manual shooting is the way to go, but after reading that i have to think about it again

Manual Passing (player stats should still matter, high rated players should place the ball exactly where you aim and how much you load the power bar, lower rated players with more error, especially on long balls) to me makes sense/fun, you can pass everywhere on the pitch, front, back 360°, everywhere

but you are right, with Shooting it's clear what you want to do (that's why you don't need to aim in basketball games), there's one target and you never want to miss on purpose when you shoot, and like you said the power bar should be for power, not height of the shot

I have to finally try it when the Demo comes out, hope it doesn't hit the post so regularly

Shots hitting the post/bar nine times out of ten is a bit of an exaggeration. There is no doubt Advanced Shooting could be a bit looser, if you get the aim and power off, but so far as eventually mastering the mechanic (or being much better at it) goes, I rarely hit post/bar now.

I love Advanced Shooting, but know there is much more fine-tuning that can be done with it.

It just gets on my nerves when some of you want to believe you are part of a selected small exclusive club, with some kind of secret membership, just because you will ONLY like PES 5 or 6 no matter what. Like YOU ARE THE REAL FANS WHO LIKE REAL FOOTBALL, and everyone else just doesn't know shit and/or are kids and/or are FIFA fans.

Get over yourselves.

Excellent post in fairness.

Thank you. This was very needed.

Because we like (or even love) PES 2017 doesn't mean we can't see flaws (like the positioning one). It's not just "you must feel / do one thing or the other one". I can (and I do) love to play PES 2017 to this date and I can see the positioning issue (one that can be solved with the fluid formation, at least in my game). I can vote in a poll, still playing PES 2017 and be a "hardcore fan", although I don't want to be this type of "hardcore" when it seems that if you don't praise PES 5/6, you are not a true fan.

Fair points also.

The problem with "hardcore" communities is much like that of the far left in politics; constant bickering among groups and failing to unite on that which they do agree upon, which is often a great deal. In fact, that which they don't agree upon makes for some pretty fierce, sometimes poisonous debate because everybody is too busy trying to prove how "hardcore" they are instead of taking on board that which does bring us here and does have us in agreement. We focus on what we disagree with too much, I fear.

Anyway, been playing more PES2017 myClub and I'm hooked to such a degree that for the first time in perhaps...well, ever, I really want the online component of a football game to operate smoothly more often than not.

I only started the mode about two weeks ago and have played around 40 matches, so yep, early doors I suppose. I am facing super-teams more often than not but my record sits at me not getting beat as much as I do, so 20 games without defeat and 20 games in which I have been beaten, but I don't really care about my record that much; probably translates to mid-table respectability. I'm cool with that because I am not using a super-team, but just a solid one in which my tactics of late have seen me put up a fight in most of my last ten matches.

My most recent match was against a predictably stacked opposition with the usual Messi, Neymar, Cristiano Ronaldo front three and worldies all over the park, but I won 1-0 because of my tactics. As soon as I see my opposition is stacked, I happily play out the match with my defensive preset in which I utilise Swarm The Box and Deep Defensive Line. False No. 9 is the only attacking Advanced Instruction I use which sees my loan CF Suarez drop deep. I mark the utter shite out of the opposition, assigning man marking on that bloody front three, the central creators and the wing-backs. My opposition, often used no doubt to pinging out to one of their front three who have time and space, get pressured quicker in trying to make that pass, as well as facing a fight with a marker if they get that long ball off. I have no problem starting the game on blue attack/defensive setting too. Make the opposition earn it!

As soon as I get the ball I don't look to ping it to Suarez immediately all the time, but instead play short passes to work my way up the field, though I do use Suarez as that hold up man to allow Hamsik/Totti to come into the play, while Cuadrado or Mirallas on either flank offer options but I often still slow it up further, allowing Alaba or Bellerin to get involved in the play as well. Nestled in the DMF roles are Davids and Matuidi, so I have energy in cover. It is a stamina-sapping approach to matters make no mistake, and if I try to play too directly I can find myself isolated in advanced areas, but it is so rewarding when it comes off, be that in (narrow) victory or simply stifling my opposition and grabbing a 0-0.

My last five results read as follows:

1-0 victory
0-0
1-1 in which I nicked a deserved late equaliser
1-0 victory
1-0 victory

I suppose I will be playing the mode for another 17 days before the online beta for PES2018. In that time I am just going to keep on hopefully enjoying grinding out results or close things; just enjoying tactical battles. I know I will take the odd tanking, but I am not interested in trying to acquire superstars for my team, and instead will just concentrate on levelling up the players I do have at my disposal when the opportunity arises. I will concede that the players I do have are no mugs, but I am rotating Bailly, Marquinhos and Dante in the two CB roles, so it is not as if I am loaded there, and I am more than happy with having Cuadrado and Mirallas being my first team picks for the wide midfield roles, who are hardly the very best to fill the roles.

But I guess the main point I am making that PES2017, somehow, has me engaged in online play like no other football game has before it and it is the gameplay, or at the very least how I want to play and the game allowing for it, that makes that so.

I was really looking forward to PES2018 anyway, thanks to what I have seen thus far and what I have also read. I was always looking forward to another ML campaign starting with defaults in Division 2, but now the online component is proving a bit pf a draw to me as well in PES2017, I hope that transfers over to PES2018 and can hopefully prove even better as well as more stable all-round.

 

[ISS1970]

All new features will be useless for me if they do not include a day/night selector for the master league. I basically played only friendly games all year long in pes 2017, despite loving the gameplay, but night games felt flat and terrible.

So that is a must for me since master league is the only gamemode i care for.

Another thing that has been annoying the hell out of me for years is watching/skipping replays for fouls and off side. For christ sake, it would be about time to have an option to switch them off ala nba2k. It's takes away so much when you are playing a tight intense games.

Presentation wise this game has been terrible for years, but simple features could make it decent again.