I never tried Advanced Shooting ever, because of all the reports that 9 of 10 times the ball hits the bar, and for the last couple of years i thought manual shooting is the way to go, but after reading that i have to think about it again
Manual Passing (player stats should still matter, high rated players should place the ball exactly where you aim and how much you load the power bar, lower rated players with more error, especially on long balls) to me makes sense/fun, you can pass everywhere on the pitch, front, back 360°, everywhere
but you are right, with Shooting it's clear what you want to do (that's why you don't need to aim in basketball games), there's one target and you never want to miss on purpose when you shoot, and like you said the power bar should be for power, not height of the shot
I have to finally try it when the Demo comes out, hope it doesn't hit the post so regularly
Shots hitting the post/bar nine times out of ten is a bit of an exaggeration. There is no doubt Advanced Shooting could be a bit looser, if you get the aim and power off, but so far as eventually mastering the mechanic (or being much better at it) goes, I rarely hit post/bar now.
I love Advanced Shooting, but know there is much more fine-tuning that can be done with it.
It just gets on my nerves when some of you want to believe you are part of a selected small exclusive club, with some kind of secret membership, just because you will ONLY like PES 5 or 6 no matter what. Like YOU ARE THE REAL FANS WHO LIKE REAL FOOTBALL, and everyone else just doesn't know shit and/or are kids and/or are FIFA fans.
Get over yourselves.
Excellent post in fairness.
Thank you. This was very needed.
Because we like (or even love) PES 2017 doesn't mean we can't see flaws (like the positioning one). It's not just "you must feel / do one thing or the other one". I can (and I do) love to play PES 2017 to this date and I can see the positioning issue (one that can be solved with the fluid formation, at least in my game). I can vote in a poll, still playing PES 2017 and be a "hardcore fan", although I don't want to be this type of "hardcore" when it seems that if you don't praise PES 5/6, you are not a true fan.
Fair points also.
The problem with "hardcore" communities is much like that of the far left in politics; constant bickering among groups and failing to unite on that which they do agree upon, which is often a great deal. In fact, that which they don't agree upon makes for some pretty fierce, sometimes poisonous debate because everybody is too busy trying to prove how "hardcore" they are instead of taking on board that which does bring us here and does have us in agreement. We focus on what we disagree with too much, I fear.
Anyway, been playing more PES2017 myClub and I'm hooked to such a degree that for the first time in perhaps...well, ever, I really want the online component of a football game to operate smoothly more often than not.
I only started the mode about two weeks ago and have played around 40 matches, so yep, early doors I suppose. I am facing super-teams more often than not but my record sits at me not getting beat as much as I do, so 20 games without defeat and 20 games in which I have been beaten, but I don't really care about my record that much; probably translates to mid-table respectability. I'm cool with that because I am not using a super-team, but just a solid one in which my tactics of late have seen me put up a fight in most of my last ten matches.
My most recent match was against a predictably stacked opposition with the usual Messi, Neymar, Cristiano Ronaldo front three and worldies all over the park, but I won 1-0 because of my tactics. As soon as I see my opposition is stacked, I happily play out the match with my defensive preset in which I utilise Swarm The Box and Deep Defensive Line. False No. 9 is the only attacking Advanced Instruction I use which sees my loan CF Suarez drop deep. I mark the utter shite out of the opposition, assigning man marking on that bloody front three, the central creators and the wing-backs. My opposition, often used no doubt to pinging out to one of their front three who have time and space, get pressured quicker in trying to make that pass, as well as facing a fight with a marker if they get that long ball off. I have no problem starting the game on blue attack/defensive setting too. Make the opposition earn it!
As soon as I get the ball I don't look to ping it to Suarez immediately all the time, but instead play short passes to work my way up the field, though I do use Suarez as that hold up man to allow Hamsik/Totti to come into the play, while Cuadrado or Mirallas on either flank offer options but I often still slow it up further, allowing Alaba or Bellerin to get involved in the play as well. Nestled in the DMF roles are Davids and Matuidi, so I have energy in cover. It is a stamina-sapping approach to matters make no mistake, and if I try to play too directly I can find myself isolated in advanced areas, but it is so rewarding when it comes off, be that in (narrow) victory or simply stifling my opposition and grabbing a 0-0.
My last five results read as follows:
1-0 victory
0-0
1-1 in which I nicked a deserved late equaliser
1-0 victory
1-0 victory
I suppose I will be playing the mode for another 17 days before the online beta for PES2018. In that time I am just going to keep on hopefully enjoying grinding out results or close things; just enjoying tactical battles. I know I will take the odd tanking, but I am not interested in trying to acquire superstars for my team, and instead will just concentrate on levelling up the players I do have at my disposal when the opportunity arises. I will concede that the players I do have are no mugs, but I am rotating Bailly, Marquinhos and Dante in the two CB roles, so it is not as if I am loaded there, and I am more than happy with having Cuadrado and Mirallas being my first team picks for the wide midfield roles, who are hardly the very best to fill the roles.
But I guess the main point I am making that PES2017, somehow, has me engaged in online play like no other football game has before it and it is the gameplay, or at the very least how I want to play and the game allowing for it, that makes that so.
I was really looking forward to PES2018 anyway, thanks to what I have seen thus far and what I have also read. I was always looking forward to another ML campaign starting with defaults in Division 2, but now the online component is proving a bit pf a draw to me as well in PES2017, I hope that transfers over to PES2018 and can hopefully prove even better as well as more stable all-round.
it latest the longest when i look at the recent years (for me), and it is still in use! usually i stop playing around feb.! but not this year...
